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Nintendo's Paid Online Makes "Complete Sense" but May Be Hard Transition for Gamers, Says Analyst

According to an analyst from IHS, Nintendo's new paid online service for the Switch makes complete sense though it may be a hard transition for the usual Nintendo fans.

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ccgr2652d ago

Sony and Microsoft are doing it, why not them. Hopefully the monthly VC games are decent.

KaiPow2652d ago

Yeah, I would love to see the new online multiplayer integration will work out with those classics.

Nitrowolf22652d ago (Edited 2652d ago )

The issue is both microsoft and sony have a proven system despite its flaws. I know Microsoft was the original to start online pay, however as the first console that they released they had some sort of unified Network. If theres something i can praise Microsoft with the original xbox is that they hit the nail when it came to online.

Nintendo has had some sort of online system since the gamecube, but nothing has been unified and every time it changes. People are hesitant about paying for a service that they have already gone through for a few Generations.

Nintendo barely if at all touched upon how the online infrastructure would even work.

I have a huge issue with having to pay for any services however I will accept it because at this point no matter how much we fight it it's going to happen. However I most likely will not be paying Nintendo to play online as they have yet to prove to me that they are capable of it

That's just my 2 cents on the subject as someone who has played a lot of Nintendo system I've never liked the way their online system functioned.

Even though the company has existed since the dawn of gaming, they are pretty behind in times. Think about it, Couch Co-op has always been Nintendo thing and even in the Switch event they focuses a lot on it. Not that there is anything wrong with couch co-op because its the one big thing I miss. but it's always been Nintendo big point when it came to interaaction with other players. We will have to see how the service will be like, but so far with whats known many aren't liking (SNES, NES Classics)

OrangePowerz2652d ago

Just a small correction Nitro. MS was not the one to start online play on home consoles. ;)

Vegamyster2652d ago (Edited 2652d ago )

I thought that was cool but the fact you don't keep those games are dumb, that said we don't even know what they're charging or what other deals it will offer. if it's 25$+ then i see the service failing and going free in less than a year, Most people will not spend that much just for Mario Kart & Splatoon. They don't plan on charging until the Fall so things may change based on consumer feedback, hopefully they'll actually listen and make changes accordingly but i wouldn't hold my breath since it's Nintendo.

mikeslemonade2652d ago

Not a game to play online. Splatoon, smash, and mk8 is lame

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Imp0ssibl32652d ago

The player base is very different though. Not sure if it will work in the same way.

pcz2652d ago

it only makes complete sense to a raving lunatic

Cybermario2652d ago

yet, MS let you keep triple A games even if you go Silver, Sony let you keep the games as long as you are a plus member, but a game rental for a month and not even a wiiu but a nes/snes title i can find for cheap in a retro store or even via emulation. I am sorry i fail to see how nintendo fans can defend that as a benefit.

Majin-vegeta2652d ago

Correction you get to keep Xbox gold games on 360 not X1 games if you go silver.

NukaCola2652d ago

Nintendo should have a Retro Channel that basically lets you play any Virtual Console game included in the service kind of like how Sega Channel used to how.

_-EDMIX-_2652d ago

I didn't know that about the Xbox Live games and that's a pretty damn good deal if you ask me.

gamer78042652d ago (Edited 2652d ago )

the problem is you have to use another app service on specifically an IOS or Android device, they need to bake it into the system if they want you to pay for it. Furthermore if they are following suit offering free games, make them just that, free while you have a subscription, not just free only for a month then they are gone unless you buy them. Thats just a long trial...

So paying for a great online service with free games makes sense, but not in the way that Nintendo is doing it.

FallenAngel19842652d ago

@ Nitro

Sega was the first to start an online network on consoles

lunatic00012652d ago

true but ms set the standard on how modern online on consoles should be handled and used...even setting the standard to charge unfortunately

Nitrowolf22651d ago (Edited 2651d ago )

Did we have to pay to use it though? I honestly dont know, its a serious question. I know online existed pre xbox, the ps2 had it, but those were free. Thats what my commemt says, ms started the pay online services?

FallenAngel19842651d ago

@ Luna

Sony set the standard on what should and should not be locked behind a paywall.

@ Nitro

Online games on the Dreamcast initially allowed free access to their game servers, to be offset by SegaNet subscriptions and game sales. But with the demise of SegaNet, most games began charging for game server access, or closing down their servers altogether.

TXIDarkAvenger2652d ago (Edited 2652d ago )

Old games which you get to keep only for the month. Wow thanks Nintendo!

Oh and voice chat that only functions through an app on your phone. Great news!

Phunkydiabetic12652d ago

It is because Nintendo has the most rudimentary horseshit online infrastructure that's why. Unless there has been an absolutely insane over the top re-haul of their online it makes no sense to charge for it. It is shit. Garbage. However you can guaruntee that Nintendo has done little to nothing to update their shitty online yet they will charge anyways.

But wait a minute! They are giving away a free game from the 80s every month! Oh wait....It's only free for that month and it's gone after? Haha, shoulda figured .

PlayableGamez-2652d ago

Yeah lets pay a monthly fee to Nintendo for VC games. Games we have been playing for free for years.
I rather get indie games than VC games.

OrangePowerz2652d ago

Difference is thay MS and Sony deliver a decent online service and that's something Nintendo had not dome so far on any of their platforms. Add to that you get one NES or SNES per month. Unless it's priced at maximum of 25 bucks per year it's a joke.

ABizzel12652d ago

It makes sense from a financial perspective, but it's a horrible decision when you look at the planned details for the service, and the fact that Nintendo doesn't have nearly the history the other two console have with providing a LARGE market of online games. This service has to be $20 or less, anything else and they're dead.

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Cybermario2652d ago

assuming they will provice a paid service that equals that of microsoft and sony for online gaming that is ok. But aside of discounts and a monthly game rental that is not even a proper benefit, what else are they giving you for your money? They better dont charge 10usd a month just for the "benefit" to play online, voice chat and a game rental because benefits are subpar compared to Gold and Plus at this time.

Aenea2652d ago

That they do paid online makes sense indeed, yes, not liking the free old games that are only playable for 1 month tho, that's something they need to change...

pcz2652d ago

i used to see nintendo as the only hope for gaming with the rise of microtransactions, paid dlc, patches and paywalls.

everything that is wrong with the games industry, and which i also thought nintendo were immune to- nintendo are becoming consumed by. they used to lead the way, now they jump on the bandwagon.

OrangePowerz2652d ago

Online infrastructures aren't cheap, but the online services from Nintendo so far are horrible.

I always laugh when people go on about paid DLC. We always had them, previously it was called expansion add ons and came on CDs :D

Nodoze2651d ago (Edited 2651d ago )

Iwata was the one that was advising them NOT to tread down this path. It is VERY clear the new president is a boardroom stiff and ONLY cares about $$$$$$$. Mario run was HORRID. Frankly it was an embarrassment and a slight to the legacy. Go ahead and try to defend it, you KNOW it sucks. Now they are doing the very same things that all of the others are doing. The real killer for me is the paid online. They are not even close to offering what XBL and Sony offer and have the balls to charge for online service? To rent 20+ year old games for 30 days as a benefit? Yeah nice try.

Sorry folks, I want them to succeed, but feel they just don't get it anymore. Iwata was a gamer. He played games, programmed games, etc this new guy?? He is a boardroom guy with profit profit profit on his mind.

Also the fact that they stuffed the 3rd party support slide with MIDDLE WARE providers to bolster the list....yeah that is NOT a good sign. Middleware is used to MAKE games, they are NOT publishers and will NOT be releasing software. I expect an even quicker 3rd party abandonment rate for the switch sad to say. Without 3rd party, this too will fail.

Back on topic, the fact that the PREMIUM Nintendo Online offering is ALL DONE through a MOBILE PHONE negates any value whatsoever. In other words, we could not figure out how to do any of this on the actual device and within the device OS, so we farmed it out to mobile device app makers to provide. Oh and of course we are going to CHARGE YOU to use this PREMIUM offering....why not just call your friend on said mobile device. It is a slap in the freaking face that they have the balls to charge for this. I don't need my mobile device to do any of this through PS4, or XBO. I get FREE software with both of their offerings that I can use as long as I am a subscriber.....PATHETIC Nintendo. Absolutely pathetic. Funny enough they don't even have it done yet for the launch and are going to kindly let you connect for no charge while they finish their infrastructure and 3rd party app to milk you. HAHAHA. SO sad.

_-EDMIX-_2652d ago

Dear God no it doesn't , it makes sense for Nintendo taking money from consumers, it doesn't make sense for gamers.

it is one of the stupidest decisions I've ever seen a company make especially a company that is losing gamers in regards to people purchasing their Hardware.

Nothing is wrong with a company charging for their servers as I understand they have to run a business but something is wrong when they're charging money to a service that they didn't even have the damn nerve to fully explain to their consumers at their press event they spent more time bragging about the hardware then they did explaining about the service they were now charging their customers.

This is simple business and I'm just flabbergasted that they did this looking at the event a third time I'm still in question of exactly why did they tell you it would be having a paid service yet neglect to tell you the specifics or even go and in-depth detail they need to ease the blow consumers need to see the benefit this is such a classic business model that I'm still not understanding the idiots that run this company.

It is simple as show me the benefits, do not tell me the cost.

You cannot tell a consumer that they should be paying for something and then continue to neglect to tell them the specifics of why they should care.

This is simple business 101.

The renting of games doesn't even make any sense when the competitors that are beating the living crap out of them are offering their consumers free games for god sakes PlayStation has been offering its consumers free games for years now this competition has made Microsoft to force their hand to compete with Sony which is only benefited its own consumers by allowing Xbox Gamers to get the same treatment.

Yet.... Nintendo is basically the slow one?

I just don't understand it and somebody from inside that company I swear is trying to destroy it because none of this makes any type of logical sense. After the Wii U and 3DS just performed significantly worse than their predecessors I don't understand the purpose behind not directly meeting your competitors in regards to features, do they seriously not understand there's a real reason behind people no longer purchasing their Hardware?

At this point it has nothing to do with Nintendo trying to be original, Nintendo is literally directly competing against their own damn customer's best interest.

Gunshyninja2652d ago

Me and my buddies are actually excited Nintendo is charging for their online. Truth is if you want to offer stable, lag-free online gaming this is necessary. Playing online on Xbox live and PSN is so much more stable than Nintendo. IF paying 4-5 bucks a month is the trade for a great online experience (something Nintendo has never had) then I think it's totally worth it. I'd rather have a paid good online experience than a free, crappy one. Just my opinion of course.

But they need to change the game rental model to what Xbox live and PSN are doing.

_-EDMIX-_2652d ago

I don't disagree with what you're saying I 100% agree with you my only issue is the whole game rental thing I believe their Justified to charge for their servers so they could increase the quality over time.

I see no reason to stiff consumers on a concept that PlayStation has had for a long number of years and Microsoft has adopted as well.

Nodoze2651d ago

Do you realistically expect Nintendo to provide a robust offering here? They are going to farm this out. I will almost guarantee all games will be peer to peer (i.e. you will STILL have lag and alot of it...especially with mobile use). They are phoning in the online and some exec in the boardroom brought up the notion of free money for almost no effort. It is very clear that this is ALL afterthought. With the PS4 it was CLEAR that online was a design element from day 1. Same for Xbox One. Switch...yeah get your mobile device ready to use our PREMIUM offering. It is nothing more than them milking their loyal customers. I used to be one. Not interested this go round.

OrangePowerz2652d ago (Edited 2652d ago )

They spent more time explaining standard buttons. That was sooooo horrible,going on about "This is the A button" "This is the B button". Did they think old grandparents watch the stream?

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Former Blizzard President Suggests Players Should Have Option to Tip Developers

Former Blizzard president Mike Ybarra recently suggested an interesting concept that has sparked a debate among gamers - the idea of being able to tip developers after completing a game.

LG_Fox_Brazil5d ago

If I had a 100% way to be sure that this money would go to a fund or a reserve dedicated only to the guys who develop the games, be them designers, artists, programmers and so on, I could think about it.

But we all know that this 'tip' would only end up in a publisher's CEO pocket to buy a new yacht, so, no, I ain't tipping anyone anytime soon on this industry

neutralgamer19924d ago

Exactly these companies were raising money for good causes and gamers were donation and come to find out they are keeping a good chunk of be pie

PapaBop4d ago

Yeah tip your developer, 5% proceeds go to developer, 95% to the publisher or whoever. Isn't tipping for staff not making minimum wage? How about they just pay their developers properly and like you know, give them fair bonuses? Too much to ask from Blizzard these days, Kotick saw to that and is now laughing all the way to the bank.

MrDead4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

It's the t**ts at the top looking at ways to cut devs wages and get the players to tip them like waiting staff, and I'll guarantee a percentage is skimmed and kept by Activision Blizzard. This is 100% for shareholder and CEO playouts.

Popsicle4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I have to agree with this. On the surface tipping devs sounds like a great idea, but in the end it leads to pay cuts and subsidization of pay. Tips then become an expectation or the devs “can’t make a living.” Lastly, especially in the US, tip culture has gotten out of control, and it serves as an excuse not to properly pay employees. Sounds good but doesn’t end well.

drizzom3d ago

@ Popsicle

I think your right on the nose with how much tipping has become rampant. Instead of it being a relationship directly between the customer and the developer or employee, it now has a middle man ingrained in the system. DoorDash is one example. It ends up becoming a metric where the company can measure 'just how much more money you are willing to part with' before raising the price on the main product.

1Victor4d ago

Uh so they’re trying triple dip or more we buy the game that they’re already withholding/cutting content for dlc we was told that season pass would help the developers thrive we felt for it.
Now on top of all that plus their sales bonus they want tips enough is enough whatever happens to you create/built a good game get a bonus for sales milestones you care about your game and community we reward you with more sales not for doing 3/4 of a game then save the other 1/4 for dlc and passes after

raWfodog4d ago

The 'tip' is me buying your game in the first place.

S2Killinit4d ago

Very well said. If it was possible to send the money to either the developer or some organization for the betterment of gaming, sure. But we all know that will not be the case.

Rynxie4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

No, it would go to those on the top. They will still fire developers, have a bunch of microtransactions, raise prices of games and so on.

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H95d ago

So they eventually don't pay their workers and depend on our tips to pay them like the case with waiters!

Deeeeznuuuts4d ago

That kind of practice is only normal in the states, as far as I know anyway, what a backwards system

H94d ago

No it's as well in a every country that wants to amercanize

bloop4d ago

Ireland is literally the first stop across the pond and we don't have a tipping culture. The only establishments here that would expect a tip are the tourist haunts that Americans visit. Other than that, you might tip in a restaurant as a sign of gratitude for great service and waiting staff would be paid a full wage anyway.

Rebel_Scum4d ago

Tipping is not customary iin most countries dude. Get a passport lol.

Jin_Sakai5d ago

Is this a joke? How about the big wigs giving up some of their pay for their hard working developers.

MrBaskerville4d ago

Maybe the CEO could earn his money based on tips.

mastershredder5d ago

good god. The devs are not baristas dude. Total 1% ideals. Fing Chadosaurus.

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The Reason Sega Lost The 32-Bit War? The 32X, Says Yosuke Okunari

"The company was unable to focus enough on its main hope"

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ApocalypseShadow9d ago

Nope. Going back to the 32X as the reason Sega lost that generation doesn't go back far enough before the Saturn.

Sega executives need to blame themselves as to why Sega lost that generation. Not Saturn. Not 32X. Not Sega CD. Nope. Executives were the reason why. It wasn't the hardware. Those devices were either dropped early or released to soon resulting in a developer backlash the hurt the game catalog. They really shouldn't have been made at all because they should have planned their next move more carefully. It has nothing to do with the devices. Poor leadership decisions and lack of unity within the company are what happened.

Love how blame is always shifted away from what is the truth. Writing a book placing the blame on the 32X isn't the truth.

solideagle8d ago

I am pretty sure there are documentaries (Youtube) around it which highlights these points. I had Sega Mega drive and NES growing up but that's about it. I didn't even know there was a war going on between these companies but I do remember thinking why I can't play Sonic cartridge on Nintendo or Mario on Sega :D

FinalFantasyFanatic8d ago

I had the Genesis and the Saturn, also had the SNES and 64, I never got a Dreamcast for some reason, but I never saw one in the stores either.

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Talking Killer Klowns From Outer Space With The Chiodo Brothers

Chris D. Spoke with the Chiodo Brothers at PAX East about Killer Klowns From Outer Space: The Game and their Career.