Project Scorpio must get a sooner release date

In light of the new gaming portrait we have for the rest of the year, with the arrival of the PS4 Pro, Microsoft must introduce its answer sooner.

[ninsigma]

I don't see a point. Right now I doubt it's far along enough to be able to suddenly say let's release it now to counteract the pro (which would actually be a killer move if the price was right). They're then better off waiting until the next holiday season. More people are more willing to part with their money then. Also waiting a year would mean the cost to make would come down. There is also zero point in just knee jerk reacting to everything the competition do. If ms were quicken the process and release this holiday season it could come out half baked. Similarly if Sony had decided to delay and beef up the hardware as a reaction to Scorpio being 6tf, same thing could happen. I prefer them having their own plans and executing them rather chopping and changing. That would just lead to disaster left right and centre.

[NewMonday]

"There is also zero point in just knee jerk reacting to everything the competition do"

the Scorpio itself is a knee jerk react to the leaked PS4Neo docs, its a spec sheet that MS hastily scrambled out, they hoped it would scare off Sony to delay but the bluff got called.

[NewMonday]

@IamMegatron

actually the Scorpio cant do native 4K, the 390x is 6TF:

http://www.guru3d.com/artic...

credit to moldybread for the link

[GameNameFame]

@IamMegatron

Now fanboys like you see the difference between naitive and upscaled.

I thought according to you, they are all same? I thought X1 720P/900P upscaled to 1080P was just as good as 1080P native?

Amazing how Xbox fanboys flop on their position

[Eonjay]

As much as I like the PS4 I don't trust Sony for a second. Anyone can see that they set Microsoft up.

Edit @ NewMonday:

4K is like this pie in the sky thing the companies are doing to sell us on something IMO. The prices need to come down in all areas. The displays, the cards and also the power consumption. The Pro alone uses 3x more power than the Slim. Project Scorpio will probably hit 450 Watts. If you game like I do for hours on end, you electric bill is going up. Why isn't anyone talking about this? Even on a purely consumer advocacy level.

[slate91]

You speak your opinion as if its fact. Remarkable.

[Valkron1]

What F'n bluff? MS wasn't trying to scare Sony, we all knew they would stick to their release, they HAVE to. The PRO (Neo) is there for Morpheus (PSVR), Sony is locked into that. They need the Pro when PSVR runs like crap on PS4. No patches for Witcher 3 or Destiny on the Pro means it's useless for me

[BumpFrankie]

@NewMonday
PC games have to work on a plethora of different graphics cards so no developer is able to tune and optimize their game for a specific GPU. The graphical settings used in the benchmark were VERY HIGH and the 390x had 25fps average. Lets imagine worst case scenario that PC optimization is the same as console (which is absolutely not the case), if the settings were turned down by just a little bit then the 390x could do 4k 30fps. I don't know why people think that consoles are maxing out games, because they haven't been close to max settings on a PC for a VERY long time. The current PS4 cant even max out current games at 1080p 30fps, why do people suddenly think that the PS4 Pro and Xbox Scorpio are supposed to max out games at 4k? The new PS4 Pro and Xbox Scorpio are definitely capable of maxing out games at 1080p 60fps but its just unfair to try and suggest they were designed to do the same at 4k when even the 12 teraflop Titan X struggles to do that.

[stuna1]

@IamMegatron

You sound foolish! You're basing your whole comment off of a future event that hasn't happened yet! Yeah and Sony releasing a beefed up PS4 Pro guarantees that more than likely a free ride into next year with still the most powerful console on the market! Now that my friend is reality as well as being factual

[AngelicIceDiamond]

"the Scorpio itself is a knee jerk react to the leaked PS4Neo docs, its a spec sheet that MS hastily scrambled out, they hoped it would scare off Sony to delay but the bluff got called."

At this point why even comment because you never know what you're talking about nor do you ever, ever make any sense. That is literally fanboy wishful thinking, childlike thinking.

Phil stated in Podcast unlocked a few years ago if he was in charge of the X1 building he would make it much more stronger. Phil's in charge of Xbox and what do you know, 2 years later Scorpio is announced and hes making it the beefiest as he can as far as mid gen upgrades goes.

Not scrambling or scaring off or whatever shitty pretend fantasy you decided to make up.

So lets recap since you can put two and two together and you seem a little slow let me break it down. Phil......+ in charge of Xbox......= stronger Xbox console. Focus ok focus and think hard but don't hurt yourself easy I know its hard you got this.....

[ZeroX9876]

@NewMonday

Sony was preparing the PS4 Pro without any knowledge of the scorpio beforehand. MS was probably doing the same.

@IamMegatron

Just like Sony lost the specs and power war in PS2 gen, PS3 with one year late and 3rd party running better on 360, we all saw how both those gen ended too :)

[Sm00thNinja]

Sony admitted at E3 they were surprised by Microsoft and Scorpio lol

[BossBattle]

The PS4 Semi Pro was rushed too soon with weak specs.

[TheBrit]

Yeah, did Sony tell you that themselves?!

[Gazondaily]

It's like titanfall all over again with the propaganda and damage limitation.

"its a spec sheet that MS hastily scrambled out"

Kudos to them that they can scramble out a console that merks the competition's one. If it was so reactionary, why are they able to wait a year and do it properly.

Let's be honest, one console stands a far greater chance at doing 4k native. Even you must know which one of the two that is 😘

[bouzebbal]

Xbox said they weren't fans of xbox 1.5 before neo rumors started to hit the Web.
This year's e3 reveal of the Scorpio project was nothing but bluff and I have a feeling it will end up like what natal did.. So many words for nothing.
If they want to stand what's left of chance they better release it or at least reveal it officially very very soon..
Maybe Sony is already working on the next big thing by now and out in 2 years..

[Unspoken]

You mean the released Neo docs were in response to Spencer claiming there would be another Xbox sooner than later which caused Sony to show their hand. Now MS will have the more powerful console by 50%, just as the PS4 was 50% more powerful than the XB1.

It's not like they can't flip a switch a change direction...oh wait.

[NewMonday]

@Septic
sure, actually wrote a blog post about it
when I talk about tech you can't win because I use fact and logical deduction.

and to all the XBone fans, I'm sorry but it is a fact that nobody has an actual Scorpio dev kit yet, MS didn't even finish the design.

@Unspoken
if you check the Neo doc you will see a timeline where dev Kits already got distributed before Spencer made those comments.

[nX]

It's just kind of funny and somewhat unprofessional to announce hardware of this magnitude 1,5 years in advance with a trailer where random people talk about specs that most people don't even understand. Spencer was probably like "make it sound funky, boyyyz"

[Vames]

Information about Microsoft working on a new console was leaked a long time. After that, Phil Spencer in an interview made a statement that would make us believe a new console was coming. After that, the leaks got more intense and coming down to E3, it all unraveled.

Furthermore, nothing Microsoft could have done to scare Sony from delaying. Sony would have already done a lot of R&D work, and not to mention new deals with AMD and manufacturing of the processors and GPU. If Sony had waited till 2017, the company would have lost a lot of money.

[Mystogan]

lol, sounds like someones mad about getting the weaker console.

you really think MS can make a console in one year? with no planning or whatsoever? Scorpio has been in development since Xbox One launched. And they already said plans for Scorpio 2 are already underway.

[MCTJim]

actually the scorpio console was leaked before ps4 neo. It was here on n4g as a matter of fact

[game4funz]

Sorry dude

theres link right here too
http://n4g.com/news/1959559...

Go read.

Theyre making sure lineup of games on scorpio can all run native 4k.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

@IamMegatron

If you think the scorpio will not do the res-scaling that ps4 pro will do you are sadly mistaken. All microsoft has mentioned is a more powerful gpu, you need far more than that for 4k gaming (as someone with a 4k capable pc).

To spell it out for you, the cpu is the concern here. Unless the scorpio costs the same as a high end pc, you're not getting different but a shiny new gpu.

[zerocarnage]

Your head is in a cloud with comments like those.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Maybe, but I think MS like many big companies always has something already planned, even if its semi planned. Making a different XB sku isn't really that hard, but clearly they need to make sure their specs make sense in regards to cost. They were not ready to launch this year and thats ok.

They likely didn't know Sony would be so, who knows. I don't think it was a bluff to get Sony to delay Pro, I think it was MS way of wanting to be first to show that they too have something in store before Pros announcement and release. MS generally doesn't announce their revisions literally 18 months before release....like ever.

Its clear MS announcement is based on Sony's own upgrade plans, but I don;'t think it was to get Sony to do anything, it was about MS marketing they exist with upgrades too. They can't just LET PS4 Pro be the only subject about 4K gaming and console.

They seriously can't. It would be dumb. I'd say its better to have it announced early and have some hold off, then say nothing as PS4 Pro is what gamers ALL know to be the 4K gaming solution for TVs. Many are waiting for Scorpio and that was MS's goal. To not lose as much business.

I get why they did it and I'd do the same.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@New- Both Scorpio and Pro can do 4K native.

4K is not a absolute yes or no thing. It is to a degree.

ie consider Valve can re-release TF2 or HL2 etc, you telling me Pro or Scorpio can't run those games on low crappy settings to get 4K?

Think about what you are saying. Really, really think about it.

its not a yes every time, its not a no either. Its a ....on what game, what setting etc. Its not absolute and I'm not sure why people keep saying that.

@Bump- "The current PS4 cant even max out current games at 1080p 30fps, why do people suddenly think that the PS4 Pro and Xbox Scorpio are supposed to max out games at 4k?"

Please....stop using blanket remarks please. What do you mean by "current games"? 1080p 60fps is by choice, a developer can make a game that very much uses a scaled back, dated engine to actually run that.

PS3 ran Wipeout HD in 1080p 60fps NATIVE. That doesn't mean all PS3 games run that, it merely means they made a game that could, so no. Its not that PS4 or XONE CAN'T RUN 1080p 60fps, its that developers do not want the setting sooooooo much that they are willing to deeply sacrifice all their games quality to hit those numbers.

Based on your logic, PS3 should be stronger then XONE and PS4 lol

Maybe you should actually look at WHY those games run that in regards to THE DEVELOPERS and not merely looking at the box. Have you seriously not thought about that developers could merely just use last gen assets to hit those numbers if they wanted to?

The Bioshock Collection runs 1080p 60fps on PS4 and XONE....

The Last Of Us runs 1080p 60fps native on PS4...

So maybe its not that PS4 or XONE can't max out those "Current games" maybe the developers sorta did that on purpose. Their whole point was to use resources on graphics and other features, not hitting 1080p 60fps, so its not because it can't, its because the developer doesn't want to.

NOTHING is stopping a developer from using their old engine or merely just not using a demanding engine to hit those numbers.

but how many developers do you think are willing to make a game that looks like Bioshock from 2007 JUST to hit 1080p 60fps? lol Pretty sure they don't want the setting THAT bad.

Not "can't" merely developer won't.

[CernaML]

@BossBattle I bet you never admitted the same thing about the original X1.

[rainslacker]

I'd much rather they take their time and release the best product they can. Everyone here knows what happened when MS rushed a console to market, and I'd rather not wish that on any gamer.

Costs will go down the longer they wait, and that will allow them to design a better system, which is also beneficial to the consumer. Unless MS is at a point in the design process where they can start fabrication, there is no point to release sooner, because if they started fabrication now, it'd still be 6 months to show up on the market, which puts them squarely in the slow summer season, and likely will have a price which is prohibitive unless they take a loss.

Next holiday is soon enough. No reason to rush it.

[game4funz]

Completely agree. I do think though that it being the second console for them ever that theyve learned from that mistake.

But I rather it comes out when its ready to break ground.

[ninsigma]

Exactly. Releasing the best product they can sometimes mean waiting. Next autumn is plenty time to release and set themselves up for it.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed. Pretty much what I would have stated, but you stated it better.....

with less words lol. If it was me....book!

[ninsigma]

lmao yeah I often suffer from that problem and when I go back and read it I find I've left out so much more that would make it make more sense xD

[seanpitt23]

With the new Zen cpu getting pushed back to 2018 it's not looking good

[christocolus]

Did MS ever confirm Zen for Scorpio? If they did,then kindly provide a link or something.

@Below

Nothing you've all said below validates your comment above. MS has still not confirmed anything..so it's all speculation on your part...right? which means no one has any idea the tech they actually plan to use.... Even Digital Foundry/Eurogamer in their Scorpio spec analysis said it was unlikely MS would go with Zen architecture.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

below are other articles discussing probable tech for Scorpio and none of them even mention Zen so who is to say MS aint going to use something entirely different from Zen?

http://www.extremetech.com/...

http://en.yibada.com/articl...

Only MS, AMD and maybe a couple of devs know what tech Scorpio will use... and that's the truth. anything outside of this is pure speculation at this point.

[SpaceRanger]

MS hasn't confirmed anything other than 6TPs and next holiday launch, yet people have been speculating on all types of nonsense.

So his comment on speculation is just as good as anyone's.

[seanpitt23]

Cmon it's common sense they cannot have a 6tf machine GPU and have jaguar cores for CPU it would be pointless and be a bottleneck design.

Microsoft said it's all about power this machine they will not add a jaguar cpu it's looking like the next step up (Puma) now Zen is out of the window

Microsoft said they want technology in the machine that's not out yet that's why the release date next year.

[Rimeskeem]

With a Zen processor the Scorpio has nearly no chance of being native 4K and being in a reasonable console price range.

[Eonjay]

"Only MS, AMD and maybe a couple of devs know what tech Scorpio will use... and that's the truth. anything outside of this is pure speculation at this point."

because there is no such thing as Scorpio. its just an idea. lol. I'm kidding but I thought this thing was supposed to be next gen or something. More to your point yes, Zen would not work anyway because of the core size. Also Puma is more likely because you want something that is low energy and low heat. The reasons:
1. Cost
2. Heat (and extra measures to cool it create cost)
3. Power consumption which create heat and cost....
4. Size (if the damn thing is the size of a mid tower... it doesn't get to be called a console anymore.)

[ninsigma]

I'd say they'll still use jaguar whether zen release next year or not.

[Mystogan]

you wish Lol. Whatever CPU Scorpio is going to use. You can bet that its a whole lot better than that Jaguar bullshit.

[ninsigma]

Why would I wish?? I don't actually care. Ms have said it will be 6tf and I believe that. Why would I be bothered by what cpu they use to achieve that??
You're not fit for the name mystogan *shakes head disappointingly*

[Aenea]

And Zen Lite? Isn't that supposed to release end of this year already?

[Mystogan]

source?

edit: I can't find anywhere that says that Zen has been delayed to 2018. Early 2017 is still the release date.
Look at how many people agree with this BS.

[Matology]

When did the Zen CPU get pushed back? Was looking into building a test PC with Zen components.

[joeorc]

Multiple sources have said it has, but they can be wrong..AMD has not stated an official release if they have..

But here it is:

Featuring a 6TF Radeon GPU and Zen based CPU, Project Scorpio is expected to deliver 4K Ultra HD, 1080p @ 60 Hz HDR, and decent VR solutions. But before you get your hopes up, AMD has already announced that Zen-based semi-custom SoCs for game consoles will not arrive before 2018, that is to say, Scorpio is likely to still use the Jaguar / Puma CPU architecture.

At a recent press conference, AMD CEO Lisa Su said that they will work closely with Microsoft and Sony to jointly develop new custom-design SoCs that would be out in 2018. For now, the latest PS4 Pro and the upcoming Xbox Scorpio will use AMD’s latest 14nm graphics chip coupled with the existing CPU core.

http://digiworthy.com/2016/...

Another is this:

http://m.mydrivers.com/news...

[Relientk77]

Oh yeah totally

Because rushing things always works

>_>

[threefootwang]

Yeah I'm more then content waiting on MS to release Scorpio a year from now and not 6 months down the road. We dont need another rushed Xbox 360 release, we all member how that went 😑.

[game4funz]

Got mine back very quickly so it didnt bother me much. Thats what I remember anyways. But no rush.

[maybelovehate]

With MS releasing their games on PC as well as Xbox I don't see the rush. PS4 Pro won't be able to compete with a good gaming PC. Users that are desperate for performance will build a decent gaming PC.

[King_Lothric]

I don't know if you have noticed but PS4 Pro is a console competing on a console market. Not on a PC market.

[maybelovehate]

What makes a PS4 any more a gaming console than a PC? Both play games and apps. Both support game peripherals and have online services for gaming.

@Prince-Ali: Again, tell me how they are different? Besides the fact PC can do all the same stuff as a console plus more. So if you are saying that PC is different because it is better and more versatile. Ok, that is true.

[xtremexx]

@Prince-Ali

You fail to provide a counter argument and instead throws insults, what child.

[slate91]

Just let each company have their own plan. Nothing needs to be parallel

[Valkron1]

Thank you!

[King_Lothric]

This must work for both sides.

[LordMaim]

Just wait two years and bring out a proper generational upgrade. None of this half-step nonsense that antagonizes early adopters.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

I have a feeling we're gonna at least hear more about Scorpio way before E3. I say April maybe May.

[RegorL]

We have heard that it will contain a 4k Blu-ray
https://www.vg247.com/2016/...

We will hear MS at every opportunity.

When PSVR is released we will hear what VR company MS will go with as their supplier. Think I write the quote...
"Scorpio was from the first day designed for superior VR capability"

MS better deliver on time and on promise (I think promising a 4k Blu-ray was a mistake, it probably went nowhere in a year. And now they will not be able to reduce cost by using standard Blu-ray or go digital only - deliver three types?)

EDIT: and price... $400, $500, $600, or even more?

[rainslacker]

Maybe. But might depend on how well the PS4P does, and how well it's eventually received. Even with the generally decent reception it's getting now, outside the hater types, it still may not translate into another hit for Sony, and could cause all sorts of disillusionment among the consumer.

MS would do well to gauge how well it's received, and tailor their message to either why it's going to be better than a soon to be accepted paradigm, or why it's not their answer to what will be a failed paradigm. If the idea of mid-gen upgrades flops hard, then expect MS to end up marketing it as a next gen console, with some of the perks that come with the mid-gen upgrade. If Sony's mid-gen offering takes off, expect MS to keep talking about more power along with some "best lineup ever" marketing lines, while saying how they're forward thinking or something like that.

One thing I'm sure of though is that MS won't shut up about it. They haven't been able to keep their cards close to their chest all gen, or even before, so I don't expect them to go the route of subtle or megaton type announcements or marketing. MS has shown for the last few years they will take every opportunity to promote it's products, and downplay the competition to dissuade people from looking elsewhere. Even now, MS will try to promote future ideas which may or may not come to fruition, just to promote it's products and try and take attention away from the competition.

[Aenea]

The same wishful thinking as PS fans said "Sony must wait and up the specs!", now we get Xbox fans wanting MS to release the Scorpio sooner.

*shakes head*

Also completely forgetting that the tech that can actually make the Scorpio more powerful isn't available until next year...

[DJustinUNCHAIND]

"Sooner"

?😂?😂?

[yeahright2]

Oklahoma?

[MasterCornholio]

It will be out when it's ready.

[JoeDG]

Scorpio need for 6 tf 320 gbs a good cpu and not something like the jaguar. I think it will be a raven Ridge custom build cpu.

[ziggurcat]

I don't think so... there'd be no reason for MS to rush the release date of their console.

[MasterCornholio]

I don't mean to bring back bad memories but we don't need another RROD.

[objdadon]

Nothing they can do, the have to wait for the parts to become available for what they want to put inside for mass production. People thinking they're using a zen cpu but the zen won't be available till 2018. They'll be using a jaguar variant.

[Minute Man 721]

March 2017

[GoGoGadge7]

Ha. Good look with that. PS4 Pro is a PS4.5. Released at 399, the PS4 Pro puts Scorpio in a bit of a bind because that thing will release no cheaper than 499/599(max). Scorpio will release, PS4 Pro a year before it, and then we will have a PS5 outpacing the Scoprio holiday 2019/2020.

[slate91]

Let me see that crystal ball fam. Im bout to buy some lotto tickets and bet on this thanksgiving colts vs steelers game.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

So this is like, an opinion n stuff, right? Right. Bloggers generally don't make great business decisions.

[jonivtec]

And repeat the ring of death.If they learn the lesson first time....they wont rush out something that is not ready.

[XXanderXX]

I say release when fully ready , no rush .

[S2Killinit]

If they release in 1 year they are in trouble.

[HAHAHAHAHAHAHA]

And rush it out like the 360.... no thank you!

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

from what has been shown from the new gow and horizon, i don't particularly care that the scorpio is more powerful. those two games look good enough for me as is, and it's the devs that make the hardware relevant anyways. both consoles have their uses and audiences, so it doesn't really matter when scorpio releases.

[bleedsoe9mm]

why rush ? give it a christmas for more 4ktv's to get in homes , scorpio is in a class by itself as a true 4k home console . phil spencer said he didn't want to do a half measure console and i think it will be proven that he made the right decision .

[Xavy]

Some one is afraid =D

[ssj27]

Desperation. . Just wait or get a ps4pro

[krypt1983]

Scropio will be just fine pspro needs a delay just like everything else related to sony recently ...

[Sevir]

Ha! Vega and Zen the line of CPU it's cpu is going to be based on aren't commercially available until Dec 2016 and March 2017 respectively. It's their choice to be reactive, their choice to surrender to Sony.

They'll have more power and a great platform when they get out next year, but there will be a pretty capable machine out a whole year...

It took Sony 8 years before they came and surpassed the XB360 last generation, and that's because of the strength of the brand. The two gaming platforms launched just a week apart and it didn't take long for us to see what the consumer wanted, now they are launching a year apart. Sony has the strength of its brand and a year heads start and the success of the PS4 at 40+ million users, it is going to be more than a fight for MS, especially since they won't have price in their argument either

[ITPython]

The thing is MS is counting on the extra year in order to bring prices down on the hardware. If they release, let's say, early 2017 the price will easily be around $650-$700 with what they are packing under the hood.

[tontontam0]

LOL the release date was the reason why the scorpio has a more powerful spec, if they release it now with the promised spec from e3 it will be very expensive.

[NeoGamer232]

4K TVs are still too expensive. I see no reason to rush Scorpio to support TVs 90% of the planet don't have.

The slim is a very good improvement on the original Xbox One. HDR, smaller, no brick, and for those who are venturing into 4K early a suitable Blu-ray.

[lastking95]

Recent news on the pro turning me off of these new consoles Some devs wont be using the power and even if they do if it's just 4k then i don't want it. I hope ms does more for scorpio

[zerocarnage]

No it does not need a sooner release date in fact i think if ms do it rite and build a decent line up of games for the release and after, it will go very well for the console. Not just showing off its power would be a very good move but in fact bringing back some old genres that have dwindled on Xbox one as well as console itself and bring a different variety as well as a good line up of pc and jrpg games to show gamers they are committed into bringing almost everything or as much as they can to the Windows 10 brand.

I must be honest I'm sickve games like halo, gears, forza being the hot topic, I also would love to see devs start pushing there games more. The ability to go inside every building on a sandbox game, pushing the amount of players online more, just basically giving gamers all the things we've been asking for such along time and stop staying within a safety net when developing.

[Bolts]

Scorpio will release with a 4K player

[CyberThug]

Why is that,? when Project Scorpio is released in the Fall 2017 sony will come out with there ps5 in 2018 and then Microsoft will release Xbox One 2019 Edition......and You / so on.

[icerob]

graphics are OK, but not the only thing that matters. Look at Minecraft, people aren´t playing that for the graphics.. they love the game-play and quite frankly, the graphics suck! What I want is faster games.. I want to just turn on my games machine and start playing.. switch between games almost instantaneously and start playing. I am tired of load screens and just sitting around waiting for something to happen. I want more co-op multiplayer games.. why is there no online multiplayer Lego game for instance? Why is Farcry primal not co-op multiplayer? Why no multiplayer in Just Cause 3? Why does Star Wars Battlefront suck? I use to love Battlefront.. Where is campaign mode?? I am a casual gamer and just dont like turning on my games machine and start a multiplayer game and wait forever for it to load and then finally when it starts be blown away on the first second by a 10 year old who plays the game 24/7.. then having to wait for the darn thing to load again and respawning at some random point where I dont have a clue where I am and being shot within a few seconds.. and one more thing.. I do not like all the futuristic Call of Duty games.. Just to much unbelievable bs going on. WW1 and WW2 games please.. cant wait for Battlefield 1!
One last thing.. why did they take all the fun out of the Tombraider games? I use to LOVE playing those games.. solving all the puzzles.. they were sooo much fun. Today, the games look miles better of course.. the games are enjoyable, but not like they were in the old days.. look better, but actually not as much fun to play for some reason.

[Yetter]

I've been talking with some of my gamer friends who play a lot but don't really follow the industry. None of them knew there was a new PS4 coming out this year. I'm not so sure this 1 year release advantage is really going to do all that much for the PS4s already substantial lead