Upscaling vs Native 4K: What's the Difference?

In the wake of Sony’s announcement of their Pro version of the PS4 supporting upscale 4K, and Xbox also pulling out the supposed upscale 4K with their One S, it begs the question, what exactly is upscaling and how is it different to native 4K resolution?

[Section8]

For one thing, upscaling only takes you so far, whereas native 4k is 4096x2160. And upscaling gets rid of most of the blockiness and jagged edges but comes up short when trying to depict more detail.

[Aenea]

And the higher the source resolution the better the results will be in 4k. The Pro can manage render resolutions much higher than 1080p therefor the results will be much better than mere upscaling from 1080p (or lower) what the Xbox One S is doing...

[darthv72]

It's just nice to know that upscaling is no longer considered taboo. I never had a problem with it but I understand many who did.

No doubt native is always going to be better but sometimes you just have to take what you can get. I truly believe that resolution does not a fun game make.

@s2killin... http://4k.com/gaming/review...

[S2Killinit]

Xbox one S does NOT do games upscaling as far as i know. The thing cant even do 1080p, its less powerful than the standard PS4. but i think some people are confused about HDR and 4K.

PS4 pro is the only current console that does games in 4K by upscaling. Can someone knowlegable reiterate the difference please?

[Tobsesan]

All of a sudden upscaling is so gud. Still know how Quantum Break got bashed all day long for it, now that sony is using the exact same technique its THE BEST THING EVER!!!!

[Bolts]

If you're going to upscale then 900p to 1080p is better than 1080p to 4K. 2K to 4K is better still but in the end upscaling is garbage no matter how you break it down. It's a crutch for inferior hardware. It's smoke and mirrors in lieu of real quality.

[LexHazard79]

Its still upscaling...

[darthv72]

@tobsesan... this is what ps fans have been waiting for - "You have earned a trophy: goalposts moved!"

yeah this will get marked as inappropriate, but funny none the less ;-)

[Aenea]

@darth
I never had an issue with upscaling either, heck both the X1 and PS4 already do it for certain games like Battlefront, Battlefield 1.

Yes, native or the higher the source resolution the better, but have most people seen much difference between games on X1 and PS4 when one was upscaling from a higher resolution than the other, or when one was native 1080p and the other just below?

Yup, when putting them side by side and looking carefully...

@s2killinit
Every console does upscaling of games, how else would a 720p/900p game on X1 fill the entire HD screen? Magic?

@Tobesan
Both consoles this gen have already been using it for 3 years, it's not new for the PS4 to do it...

@Bolts
Yes, the closer the resolutions are (to and from upscaling resolutions) the better the results. This article (and many a misinformed person) suggests that upscaling no matter the source resolution gives the same end result.

The X1S upscales from 1080p (or lower) to 2160p, the PS4 Pro can also do upscaling from resolutions higher than 1080p to 2160p...

@BakPain
Still the results are soooo not the same

@darth
Another thing PS has stolen from MS then, the goalpost moving! :p

[PrinterMan]

Tobsesan: Actually not THE EXACT SAME THING. PS4 upscaling is a completely different technique. Is it better??? Digital foundry seems to think so but who knows until we see it. Plus, the resolution you are upscaling from makes a huge difference. 720p upscaled to 4K don't look so hot. 1440p to 4K looks much much better. Just my 2 cents.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

@S2Killinit
Xbox one S doe"The thing cant even do 1080p"....... (sigh) Rise Of The Tombraider...... is 1080p enough said. But knowing you, you're gonna....you're gonna somehow some way spin it.

[NotEvenMyFinalForm]

@AngelicIceDiamond

It's good that one game does it but what about the rest? The Xbone even has games at 720p for god's sake. But at the end of the day the grand majority of its games aren't 1080p like on PS4 where the majority are.

Want a list? Here: http://www.ign.com/wikis/xb...

[zeuanimals]

The PS4 Pro isn't upscaling, though. It's taking the image and stretching it while keeping a 4K profile. This profile means that there's going to be missing pixels in a checkerboard fashion all over the screen due to the image not being 4K native, but the console then simulates what's missing and adds it to the image, giving us something that looks closer to a 4K image.

Upscaling is just taking the image and stretching it to fit the screen without adding any pixels. What you actually get is two or more pixels that look like one pixel due to the fact that the native image is a lower resolution. If you don't upscale a 720p image on a 1080p screen, you end up with the image in the middle of the screen with giant letterboxes because it's only using half of the available pixels.

This is groundbreaking and it means we won't actually need to render any games in 4K if checkerboarding looks good enough. We still need atleast 1080p or more since a higher pixel count will lead to more accurate simulation. This leaves a lot of graphical power unused by rendering, since even powerful PCs struggle with 4K, and it could be used for other things.

[GameNameFame]

Xbox Fans 1 year ago: UPSCALE = NATIVE
Xbox Fans Now: Omg omg Upscale is Nothing like NATIVE

Lol. you xbox fanboys cracks me up.

@Darth72

You mean people like you who claimed that upscaled 1080P is same as naitive 1080P. It was never taboo to talk about it. It was taboo to claim they are same somehow and ridiculed as such.

@Tobsesan

LOL. Isnt this article acknowledging there IS difference between naitive and upscaling? Unlike Xbox fanboys who claimed they are same... Even Major Nelson claimed so, before retracting it.

[Kingthrash360]

Again I'll say this.
The reason why native and upscale were bashed when comparing ps4 and xbo is...THE XBOX COSTED MORE BUT WE'RE UP SCALING BECAUSE IT WAS WEAKER.
Right now the pro costs 50 bucks more than an xbox s ( which is smaller than the xbo vs ps4 when they launched) and it WILL HAVE NATIVE 4k GAMES and it's up scaling will look much better due to checkerboarding. Not to mention it's 3x more powerful than the xbox s.

[Gazondaily]

Yeah upscaling got absolutely RIPPED apart previously whereas now it's fine. Providence really isn't with a sense of irony.

[zeuanimals]

@Septic:

No, upscaling is still not fine, but it's better than not upscaling since that would be absolutely stupid to do. And since I still apparently need to say it, I'll demonstrate it instead.

http://snapsort.com/learn/m...

If you don't upscale a 720p image when using a 1080p screen, you end up with what's shown in this picture. It ends up being in the middle of the screen with giant borders around it because it's only using the 912,600 pixels that 720p offers and not the full 2,073,600 pixels that 1080p offers. Upscaling it stretches the entire image to fit the screen, but it doesn't enhance the image at all.

The PS4 Pro isn't doing that. It takes a native 1080p or higher image and stretches it, but whereas simply upscaling a game won't add any pixels and therefore no extra detail, the console simulates the extra pixels and fills them in where they should be. The higher the resolution, the better the simulation and there's less of a chance of artifacting.

[GameNameFame]

@Septic

Correction. Claiming "Upscaling is equal to naitive" got ripped apart. Not Upscaling itself.

Xbox fanboys are pretty desperate these days.

[darthv72]

@gamenamefame... Everybody knows upscaled is not the same as native. I think you are confusing things where some say you can't tell the difference depending on the situation. Which is true unless you have your nose pressed up to the screen looking for that difference. Some games hide their scaling better than others.

It comes down to the validity of what thrash said. A machine that cost more (initially) and yet was less capable than the competition. It took some time but they got it in the right frame now where the lower price of the XB1S makes it a better value than it originally was considering it is a better unit than it originally was.

[GameNameFame]

@Darthv72

by that fanboy logic, you wouldnt be able to tell 1800P(likely Pro) vs 2160P(likely Scorpio).

Except, now all of sudden, people who couldnt tell resolutions apart because their eyes cant see any smaller pixel above 720P, now knows difference between Pro and Scorpio resolution?

So which is it? Are you now saying you acknowledge difference between upscaling and native all of sudden?
Is it also why Major Nelson and Xbox fanboys were saying they were same?

Yes. Speaking stupid comments like that were taboo. Not upscaling itself. Damage control of secret sauce and ignorance were taboo and still is. Nothing changed from that.

If this was otherway around, lets be honest. Xbox fanboys will still be talking about some secret power sauce.

[Kleptic]

no one moved any goal posts...It's only people cherry picking aspects of the argument...

upscaling is NEVER better than native...period...

The typical debate among the PS4 and Xbox one was the PS4 being native 1080, the xbox upscaling to 1080...or the PS4 being like 900 native upscaled to 1080, the XBO upscaling from 720...and MS nutters would stomp and shout about the xbox one being 'super good' at upscaling because of it's esram or w/e...nope...never the case...

All this PS4 Pro upscaling to 4k stuff...not even close to native 4k, either...

Even if the PS4 Pro can natively render a real AAA modern game at 1440 like some are claiming, and even that I seriously doubt will happen as it exists in the same development pool as the PS4...upscaling that to 4k still involves estimating over 4 million pixels...of which make up more than 50% of the freaking image...The system is literally guessing and making up double what a single 1080 image consists of pixel wise...and games for this Pro will be co-developed with it's aging brother that can't make 60 of those 1080 images per second across most titles?...and this is 'comparable' to native 4k????

So, no, upscaling sucks...all this 4k crap exists because they want you to consider new televisions...the PS4 Pro is actually the first real 1080 console, and we should be happy with that (after all, Full HD is what we were kind of promised in 2006)...but 4k?...not even close...and scorpio won't be either...It kind of blows me away how 'easy' some think 4k rendering is...

[zb1ftw777]

@kleptic

Upscaling is better than native to produce more fps.

I love it when people are hardwired to work in absolutes and are then proven wrong.

[JasonKCK]

I haven't seen this much irony in a long time.

[mozzie]

@S2Killinit give me a break, there are plenty of games which run at 1080p on Xbox One S and the Original Xbox One. and as a matter of fact, the xbox one s DOES upscale to 4K. when you connect a PS4 or PS4 Slim to a 4K TV then the PS4 DOES NOT upscale because it's not able to Output a 4K Ssignal, in this case, the upscaling is done by the TV.

[Perjoss]

@Septic
That's because upscaling was mostly used by Microsoft, and for various reasons people just don't like Microsoft very much.

[ProjectVulcan]

Native is obviously best but the resolutions will be so high it will start to matter less. If you're upscaling from 1280 x 720 to 1920 x 1080, both resolutions are fairly modest and you can easily see the difference between them.

The fact of the matter is though 4K is right on the upper end of what most humans can really see from most of their home setups and screens which is one factor.

If we assume Scorpio will do the full fat 3840 x 2160, then PS Pro would probably easily do 3200 x 1800 on the same game.

Do you realise how massive a resolution 3200 x 1800 still is? It's still 3 times more pixels than native 1080p. If you upscaled that to 4K and sat 8 feet away on like a big 60 inch 4K TV, it'll be difficult to see the difference between native 4k and upscaled from such a high resolution.

The higher the resolutions you go to, the more difficult it is going to be to discern the difference on your average home setup.

Diminishing returns will be in full effect here.

[jsiddlehfx]

3840x2160 is native 4k... the scorpio at 6 tflops still wont even be powerful enough to reliably run 4k on most graphics intensive games. powerful pc graphics cards are starting to reliably run 4k, with about 9-11tflops of power.

the ps4 pro is looking to roughly natively render at about 1440p and then upscale...

[Aenea]

Sigh....

The Xbox One S can ONLY UPSCALE from 1080p (or lower) to 2160p (4k).

The PS4 Pro can also do that, but the more than twice the graphical power also allows developers to render in a resolution that is between 1080p and full 4k (2160p), like 1800p and then upscale that to 2160p. This will result in a much better picture than what the X1S is capable off.

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@oSHINSAo

I think it's more like:
PS4 Pro: 2k-3k and 4k for some games
Scorpio: 3k and 4k for some games but more than PS4 pro

Problem is, people are over estimating what the X1S can do, what upscaling is and/or what it does and believe the Scorpio will be way more powerful than the PS4 Pro, but keep forgetting that in having to pump 4 times the pixels those 2 machines aren't really that much different. Yes, 1.8TF difference, but because of 4x the pixels that is 1.8/4=0.45 when you compare it to PS4/X1 on 1080p -> in 4k the differences will be as big as the differences are now between PS4 and X1 on HDTV's.

In 1080p Scorpio games will really shine tho!

And let's not forget that developers really need to actually do all this, if it's not gonna be easy and they have to specifically optimise for the Scorpio to reach 4k than not all will do so and will opt for the easy way out and do a slightly lower resolution and then upscale.

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@itsmebryan

Again: sigh

Yes, when you insert an unpacthed 1080p game in each it's gonna be tough to see the differences, am sure, since then they will do exactly the same albeit perhaps with a different algorithm.

However, games which have a 'PS4 Pro' mode can and will make use of the extra power making it possible they render the game in a much higher resolution than 1080p and then upscale that.

And what do you mean where did I get the information? Didn't you follow the event and watch the after show or saw the youtube vids of developers talking about it? Also, in April GiantBomb leaked the exact specs of the Pro, they said they had a developers document, this document has shown up all over the place last month or so.

So we have developers talking about it from September 7 onwards in videos, we have the reveal and we have that document. Is that enough you think?

And what do you mean "can only upscale to 4k", you doubting it can't do native 4k AT ALL? Check out The Last of Us or Elder Scrolls Online info...

And do you agree that the end results will be different when the render resolution it upscales from is higher? That's where the Pro is different, a fact that many people seem to overlook with their "upscaling is upscaling" comments.

Also, you have heard that the PS4 Pro has more than twice the power as the PS4, right? What do you think that power is used for? If it would do the exact same thing as a 1.4TF console why on earth does it need the extra power for?

Because it renders in a much higher resolution than 1080p, pushing more pixels...

Sick of this downplaying and misinformation...

[Section8]

The Scorpio has more power. 60% more. 6TF to Sony's 4.12TF.

http://www.trustedreviews.c...

[Red_Renegade]

more than the pro? you're wrong.

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

You are thinking of the Scorpio...

[S2Killinit]

PS4 Pro has 3.33 times the power. (Yes thats 333% the power)

[darthv72]

@s2, unless things are drastically different in modern computer technology, moore's law still applies. You can have a 100% increase in speed yet only amass upwards of a 50% increase in performance. maybe more, maybe less depending on the situation.

[Skillz1215]

source please

[Aenea]

X1: 1.3TF
X1S: 1.4TF
PS4: 1.8TF
PS4 Pro: 4.2TF

You were saying??

[AngelicIceDiamond]

@Section ?????

Clearly you're joking, Have to be.

[MasterCornholio]

The Xbox One S is the new Xbox One Slim.

[oSHINSAo]

Same Coment Garfield, you are comparing 2 different leagues, PS4 is to Xbox One/Xbox one S as Ps4 Pro is to Xbox Scorpio..

Xbox 72op-900p
PS4 900p-1080p
Ps4 Pro 2k-3k (enough to have VR in 1080p looking as beautiful as a ps4 badass game)
Xbox Scorpio 4k
Phil said in the e3 Conference, that de developers are free to use the extra power for 4k games, or 1080p kicking ass graphics.
Movies are in 1080p and instead, we don't get to play games with Avatars graphics which i prefer this over 4k

[Artemidorus]

Microsoft have already stated not every game will be true 4K.

[itsmebryan]

I have only seen that the pro can only upscale to 4K. Where did you get your information? Also upscale is upscale unless if the PS4pro does it a different way. We need to see if you put the same game on a x1s, ps4, and Ps4 pro on the same 4k tv will the game look better with the PS4pro upscaler compared to the built-in4k upscaler in every 4ktv. They all have HDR so I'm wondering if they will look the same.

[Pancit_Canton]

Price.

It's like comparing Original VS Generic Brand. lol

[BossBattle]

The PS4 Pro can't do native 4k.

[dumahim]

it can and does.

[LexHazard79]

If you go the PS4Pro fac sheet on playstation site it says it upscales to 4K.

[Maxor]

If it can then will BF1 be in native 4k?

Yeah I thought so.

[hiawa23]

Indies, do they count?

[2pacalypsenow]

So far The Last of us and Elder scrolls online and death Stranding have been confirmed to be native 4k on the Pro.

[jwillj2k4]

indies

[saint_seya]

@hiawa
It depends, if is for Sony, they dont, they are just a filler, but if is for MS they are better than AAA games, dont trust me, just check when MS fans talk of Ori as the great game, and when is a game on Ps4 is just an "Indie".

[zivtheawesome]

it can. tlou, skyrim and ESO are already confirmed to run native

[thisgamer503]

Any games that aren't last gen?

[Aenea]

@thisgamer

Goal post moving inside a discussion now?

It either can or can't do native 4k, since there are games that can do native 4k it therefor is capable of doing native 4k, therefor the statement "it can't do native 4k" is false...

And it doesn't matter if they are Indies or remasters from previous gens, it can do native 4k.

If one were to say "it can't do native 4k for most recent games" then it would be true, but that is not what has been said...

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@thisgamer

Yes mate...

Look:
BossBattle: "The PS4 Pro can't do native 4k."
..zivtheawesome: "it can. tlou, skyrim and ESO are already confirmed to run native"
....thisgamer503: "Any games that aren't last gen?"

And then I replied with the above.

It either can do native 4k or it can not, Boss claimed it can't, ziv said it can, then suddenly you are the one who is making it about the type of games that can do native 4k. So yes, you're moving the goalpost...

[thisgamer503]

@Aenea

Goal post moving? Really? If you're going to tout 4k, it better be for CURRENT games coming to the market. I could run pong at 4k on my computer, but it wouldn't exactly be impressive. Also of note, I never said anything about the Pro doing native 4k. You're the one that brought that into the discussion. I've no doubt that some games can be native 4k. What I'm asking is "Are there any NEW games coming out that are native 4k?" Plain and simple. No deflecting. I'm not bashing. I'm simply asking a question. By not answering the question, you seem to be getting defensive. Why? I've no idea.

[jwillj2k4]

@Aenea

the original ps4 can do 4k if it was running nes titles. its not moving the goal post, its wondering if the pro can do 4k native on current generation titles, not games that are 5+ years old.

[Goldby]

@Thsigame

Death Stranding is going to be native 4k, online and co-op action based games

so i guess that answers your question

[ziggurcat]

TLoU, and Skyrim are going to run at a native 4K, so you're wrong.

[aconnellan]

And how old are they?

[Rhythmattic]

Aconnelien
If a game does run at native 4K , whatever the platform, old or not, tecnically no matter what rediculous excuse you can make up , does not change the fact it is running 4K native.

I'm dumbfounded of the logic that some people are throwing around on here....

Facts can't be argued.

[objdadon]

Not on current gen AAA games. Remasters have that ability.

[Goldby]

Death Stranding would say hello, but Norman Reedus is too busy trying to find Norman Feetus

[iTechHeads]

It can. It's up to the developers.

[ziggurcat]

it's no different than the difference between upscaled 1080p vs native 1080p...

[Tobsesan]

ye, just 400% times the pixel count

[JasonKCK]

ziggurca haven't you heard?t upscaled is ok now

[Dan_scruggs]

The difference is that if Sony does it its cool but if Microsoft does it then it's worthless inferior tech.

[thisgamer503]

It is interesting right? Upscaling has been bad all generation until now.

[Stogz]

Just like power hasn't mattered til scorpio, right?

[thisgamer503]

@Stogz

Power has always mattered to me. It's why I have a gaming PC in my collection along with with my xb1 and ps4.

[DragoonsScaleLegends]

Yet over 50% of 4K Blu-ray's being upscales is fine, right?

[2pacalypsenow]

Just like sales don't matter until NPS shows Xbox outsold the PlayStation right?

[dumahim]

Yet another article that just doesn't get it.

"it seems the PS4 Pro has the slight edge by providing native 4K resolution for at least a few games."

Except for the fact that Pro will be native 1440 or 1800 for most titles and then upscaling instead of from 1080p or less like the S.

[DragonPaw]

The article is written by someone who has done no research. I don't think they even know what the S stands for. For that article to be on here is just trolling.

[Father__Merrin]

incorrect opening statement. the ps4 pro upscale is a 2k image upscaling to 4k using thier own tech. the xbox one s upscale is a standard upscale from a 1080p image. why are websites ignoring this

[objdadon]

Exactly, but you can't explain facts to fanboys.

[BlackTar187]

Because MS has money in a ton of media outlets.

I mean look at the absolute loonies above.

[Christopher]

It depends on who you ask.

If you ask any gamer from last generation, it's the bee's knees.

If you ask an Xbox One fanboy, it's something that makes 900p equal to 1080p, because you can't even tell the difference.

If you ask a PS4 fanboy, it's a crutch and never settle for less than native resolution.

If you ask a PS4 Pro fanboy, it's something that makes 1440p equal to 4k, because you can't even tell the difference.

If you ask a Scorpio fanboy, it's a crutch and never settle for less than native resolution.

[Aenea]

Brand fans are hilarious aren't they?

[hiawa23]

Really interesting when upscaling and Microsoft were used in the same sentence it was bad, but now its okay when Sony says it. Now we see breakdowns on the actual differences. Got to love the bias

[Aenea]

I have trouble with your sentence! You used upscaling and MS so I thought "yuckk!", then you mentioned Sony in the same sentence and it evened out! :D

[vega275]

Well sony didnt say upscaling. They tried to use some technical jargon to fool people into thinking its native 4k when its not. Whats hurlarious is these guys saying its all good now cause the pro can't do native 4k or play 4k blu-ray dvds.

[saint_seya]

So when MS got crappy resolution that wasnt even 1080p (was resolution that where not even supported for the tvs) was ok, but when sony doesnt hit for 4k it isnt. Got to love the bias.

[hiawa23]

That is not what I was saying. There certainly is no bias from me. I just play the games on all platforms. Not attached to the names on box.

[thisgamer503]

Consoles are starting to reach Apple level praise it seems. I remember the old joke being that Apple could release a masonry brick and call it an Pphone and it'd still sell millions. Not that I think the Pro is a bad product, but it and the Scorpio are both going to be just as outdated at release as the OG ps4 and xb1 were. There's really nothing special about the current hardware or these next "Premium" consoles being released.

[JoeDG]

Please stop with the bullshit.
Pro will be a nice console for the next 3-4 years. But with actual textures and graphics I don't see any AAA 4k nativ game.
Remasters are old gen games with old graphics textures and Co . I'm sure If sony want the can show pong in 24k with the power, but at the end of the day is Pong.

[FlameWater]

I have a GTX 1070 and could care less about 4K

[SojournUK]

I'd say the difference is about 8-9 Tittyflops.

[Goldby]

MOTORBOAT BONANZA!

[Father__Merrin]

true 4k is ultra crisp clarity
ps4 pro 2k to 4k using sonys tech will have extremly crisp clarity
xbox one s upscale 1080 to 4k again will be better than a normal image imo

but one things for sure, true 4k wont be twice as good picture as sonys 2k upscale it will be better no doubt but sonys approach will make into excellent looking games

[DivineAssault]

The pro is 2x as powerful as the PS4/XB1 S so i dont understand why people are comparing it.. The 4K blu ray player is a great feature that sony shouldve put in the pro but the games are going to look way better on the pro..

[MrSec84]

PS4 Pro's GPU is actually 3X faster than the XBox One S and more than 2X faster than the launch PS4's.

As for 4K Bluray movie playback, there is a rumor that Sony consciously disabled 4k disc playback in the pro because they have a premium player releasing soon and they're going to release a firmware update to enable that feature once sales for the standalone 4K player drop, bit annoying, but technically if the read speed is the same as a standard blu-ray you could use the hard drive as a larger cache for 4K movies and stream the data from the disc, it may just take a bit longer than a dedicated 4k Bluray drive to begin playing movies.

[iTechHeads]

4K TVs upscale everything to 4K.
Even the Wii U gets upscaled to 4K.

The original Xbox One gets upscaled the 4K. The original PS4.

There is some serious misinformation going around regarding the Xbox One S.

[Artemidorus]

This a serious question or pure stupidity?

[vega275]

Only difference i see is the Media and sony fans act like upscaling is a great thing now. I thought as per yoshido native 1080p makes you a better gamer. Well wouldnt native 4k also make you a better player or was that BS and part of the power narritive.

http://www.gamespot.com/art...

[XStation4pio_Pro]

i believe that its mostly games that get upscaled unless the content just simply isn't in 4k. I have a sony 4k tv but my standard cable box is 1080p so live tv gets upscaled - as do my ps4 and xb1. i don't know what kind of voodoo sony does in their upscaling but even standard 1080p cable looks really good on my tv after it.

Theres no way the ps4 slim or xbox one S could render native 4k games though. They can definitely stream native 4k content via netflix, or whomever and I personally can see a difference between native 4k and upscaled 4k but upscaled 4k still looks better than 1080p (at least on my sony xbr) even if it only boiled down to pixel density (which I'm not sure is the case). I guess my point is if its anything like I am experiencing with my sony tv upscaling 1080p output to 4k, its still a win.

[zb1ftw777]

1080p is the pinnacle of decent resolution.

Absolutely hilarious to see the next generation kiddies throw tantrums at each other over something the eyes can barely tell the difference between

[s45gr32]

Only the PC is powerful enough to deliver 4K NATIVE resolution. NVIDIA GTX 1070 and 1080 plus the expensive ass Titan X are capable of running games at 4K native resolution 60 frames per second on mid settings not ultra settings.

[fanboysmackdown]

I'm so glad I came on here to find out everything I was already told when I read this article and others just like it.......thanks to all you Captain Obvious's on this site!

[Braveheart_NZ]

For those downing Sony's decision to not include 4K Blu ray support (I am one of them) it now looks like it could be enabled through a future firmware update, if and when, Sony chooses to add it, so it looks look like the PS4 Pro does have the hardware for Sony to activate 4K Blu ray support when they choose. The reason given that Sony have not enabled it just yet is due to their upcoming 4K UHD Blu Ray player, that is being released soon. They want people buying that and if they had full 4K Blu ray support on the PS4 Pro people wouldn't bother with there stand alone player. They would have no reason to since the PS4 pro would have full 4K Blu Ray support, so it was a conscious decision to not include support for now.. It would cannibalize sales on the Sony stand alone UHD Blu ray player and Sony obviously doesn't want that. Anyway, read the link below for more on the subject..

http://www.psu.com/news/311...

[Mkai28]

For those saying the Xbox One S does not do 4K upscale on games, it's been confirmed to do 4K upscale on games.. So it does native 4K for Bluray, HDR, and upscale to 4K on games..

http://wccftech.com/xbox-br...

[Captain_Tom]

The difference is one is 4K, and one isn't.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Lol... " Xbox also pulling out the supposed upscale 4K with their One S,"... no bias here.

[thisgamer503]

The difference? Judging by the last few years of comments on this site, I'd say the difference is that native is the only acceptable resolution and upscaling is garbage. That's been the general consensus, no?

[InTheZoneAC]

one is a fake cheap chinese knockoff, the other is the real deal

[DarXyde]

I never considered upscaling a bad thing. but yeah, native resolution is better.

An argument can be made though that, depending on the native resolution, upscaling can be...not great. It also depends on the upscaling technology employed. As I understand, there's a difference. If your native resolution is 1080p and you're upscaling to 4k, that might not look that great since it's compensating by 4x the native pixel quantity. For comparison, upscaling from 720p (921,600 pixels) to 1080p (2,073,600 pixels) results in a 225% image stretch, and those differences are pretty noticeable.

Upscaling to 4k (8,294,400 pixels) is likely to produce some nasty visuals if upscaled from 1080p since that's really stretching it. Now if they went with 1440p (3,686,400 pixels), the difference is actually equivalent to 1080p vs. 720p where there is a 225% stretch. Again though, it may depend on whatever upscaling technology is used.

In the end, in the case of PS4 Pro, assuming it outputs at 1440p and upscales from there, the differences between native 4k and upscaled will be as pronounced as 720p is on a 1080p display. You're certainly likely to notice. If you notice 720p versus 1080p, I can't imagine you won't notice 1440p versus 4k. It doesn't really matter, I guess. I always say this, but I'd definitely rather they emphasize frame rates.