Xbox Scorpio Has 3 Major Advantages Over the PS4 Pro

Microsoft is ready.

[Bennibop]

It has none it does not exist in the market yet.

[SpaceRanger]

Thank you!

In response to the article: The Pro has the whole holiday to itself right now, will be the most powerful console ever made as of November and more importantly....exists.

[Obscure_Observer]

Nine months!

6TF - 12GB GDDR5X - ZEN CPU? I´M READY!

[MrSec84]

@Obscure_Observer: Zen isn't going to be used in Scorpio, it would make for a prohibitively huge chip, taking up way too much space on the motherboard.
Microsoft have already confirmed that the CPU will have 8 Cores, a Zen CPU with that many cores made alongside even an RX 480 would make for a chip 2X larger than the RX 480 chip in retail GPUs.

No it's likely going to use 8 Jaguar CPU cores because they take up very little space and wouldn't add much to the cost of an RX 480 chip, which is likely the GPU that Microsoft will go for, because it's highly mainstream, which means cheap prices so that MS can keep overall profit margins up in Scorpio.
AMD are confirmed as the chip vendor for Scorpio, they don't have a smaller core than Jaguar being made at 14-16nm and they haven't scaled Zen parts down to take up any less space than their desktop variant, Jaguar is basically a given for Scorpio.

BTW MS have said it's launching Holiday 2017, so it will be launching no early than late September, which means Sony will have at least 10 months with no competition.

@ the disagrees, what I've said is fact, Zen cores are too big, the chip would be too massive, you only need to look at the chip AMD have shown, unless you're a fanboy who thinks that pigs have wings and they can fly with them.

[babadivad]

@obscure_observer

There is no way that the Scorpio uses Zen. The Ultra low-power Puma(Jaguar successor) core is the much more likely candidate for Scorpio. They may even squeeze in a higher performance Excavator core. Excavator is a desktop part though so they will need some tweeking to get it to work in a console's power envelope.

That's my opinion, Puma or Excavator. But there's close to %100 chance that it won't be Zen. It would be nice, but it's not happening.

[shiva1]

Exists and does what? True 4k? That upscaling is being done with weaker consoles as well. So whats the point of having pro.

Still greatness awaits after this Nov.

[nitus10]

Ah! I think I see why you and "Bennibop" got so many disagrees.

It appears Microsoft's research team of applied magic has broken the boundaries of time and space and now those select few who given their souls can play the Scorpio via da cloud. 😉

[DJustinUNCHAIND]

Scorpio exists.

It's not released yet.

There is a major difference.

[sinjonezp]

It's impossible to include the zen cpu, Microsoft has stated that all games will be playable across platforms, exactly like Sony's machine. Changing the ram and cpu will cause DEV differences and split the game player base. At this point I think Microsoft should just make this console into just a next generation system. Utilize the Zen processor, beef up the gpu, maybe stacked ram, and let it be a completely new iteration. I think by 2017, four years after the Xbox 1 is completely in line with release time tables. The Xbox came out in 2001 and the 360 was released in 2005 , four years later, so this is within MS ballpark to release a completely new console. Honestly, not calling the Xbox one a failure, but it directly correlates with the sales of the original box until the point of Xbox 360. I think it would be a great move to just let Scorpio be a new system with dedicated gaming content.

[starchild]

Neither console is in our living rooms right now. People are comparing the announced specs, just as we've seen after past console announcements.

When Microsoft and Sony announced the Xbox 360 and PS3 and laid out the specs did people call the PS3 "vaporware" since the 360 released first and we were waiting a year for the release of the PS3? No, mostly quite the opposite. I can show you countless articles and posts where people were hyping up the PS3's superior specs. Many of them outright arguing that people should skip the 360 and wait for the more powerful PS3. Here's just one prominent example: http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

For a whole year the internet was filled with talk like that. Sony fans in particular couldn't stop taking about how much better the PS3 was.

The same thing occurred for 9 months between the announcement and launch of the PS4.

However, now that the shoe is on the other foot a lot of you seem to want to pretend Scorpio isn't coming and to bar discussion and comparisons between PS4 Pro and Scorpio.

It's fine to talk about the advantage the PS4 Pro will gain by releasing a year earlier because that's a reasonable assumption, but to act like people can't discuss the pros and cons of Scorpio just because it isn't out yet is pretty hypocritical.

[freshslicepizza]

microsoft has people talking about it, A LOT. that should be #4 on the list

[Bluemaster77]

You guys on Sony's payroll. Because were were knee deep in speculation before the pro was revealed. now its all about "what exists" so lame

[lokirevamped]

Not entirely true. Yes between Sony and Microsoft what you stated is true however the Steam Consoles have been and will continue to be the Most Powerful Console Ever Made.........well at least as of now through this current console generation.

[SpaceRanger]

@bluemaster77

"Because were were knee deep in speculation before the pro was revealed. now its all about "what exists" so lame"

If I remember correctly, there's been only one console announced 1 1/2 years early. Just because you were fed that during E3 doesn't mean everyone else ate it up. There has literally been little speculation over the year in comparison to the ridiculous articles that were submitted after MS' E3.

Now all of a sudden MS is on top? Like I've said before, it's all hot air until there's physical proof. How many times did we hear of devs working on "revolutionary cloud tech" or "enhancing Xbox one through Dx12"? Look how all that played out.

[3-4-5]

* Lets be real...they wouldn't announce the Scorpio if it didn't exist, so this whole " it exists" argument is elementary at best. It's something a child would argue.

* PS4 Pro has a nice advantage this holiday and hopefully they take advantage of it but it or the Scorpio both won't have the impact people think they will.

* Nintendo NX will have a bigger effect on the market than thew PS4 Pro.

Id rather have a normal PS4.

[fr0sty]

I have a scorpio sitting on my desk. It isn't that great, doesn't put out a picture at this point. Maybe it needs a firmware update or something. One good thing about it, its power consumption is extremely low, like undetectable. It's also a very quiet machine, I haven't heard its fan spin up one time.

I can't seem to find a power button anywhere between the words 6TF and 12GB GDDR5. I even looked next to the 320gbps memory bandwidth, no button there either. I think I smudged the ink I wrote those specs with trying to push the button. I also broke my ethernet cable trying to plug it in, so be careful if you decide to start testing yours out.

As of now, it has a long way to go before this thing is ready for retail.

Disagrees? Someone please share how you were able to get yours working! I heard one person say that a healthy amount of imagination will do it, but that it may not be an accurate representation of what the final hardware is (or isn't, as will be the case with most around here) capable of.

[XanderZane]

And then next year will come and it won't. "Syndrome: When everyone is Super, no one will be."
Greatest is actually coming. Finally.

@starchild
Very true. There are hypocrites, hypocrites, everywhere.

[Rhythmattic]

MS are waiting. Still probably based on a mobile SOC, and I'm sure it'll be customised......I believe MS aren't going to be using AMD's existing Architecture.

Thats why scorpio will likely be Next Gen.

[PoSTedUP]

Wonder how much it's gonna cost to get VR up and running, for both consumer and MS, considering they don't have a first party headset, and not a lot of first party devs. Scorpio has the power, but by the time it gets its own exclusives and an incentive to buy , the console market leader will have the jump on VR and the ps5 ready for launch with its own exclusives and more power. MS jumped the gun Imo, what they are touting sounds promising but that doesn't spell success; that has to do with timing and a lot of other factors. If Sony brings back the montage marketing with VR and all of the exclusive games, it's game over imo. Especially considering the jump they have. sony has been working on VR and VR games for sometime now, while MS is just now starting to try and get devs to support their VR with games on a foundation that hasn't said or thought much about vr in the past years. I think Blu-ray and hdtvs are too relevant to make the main selling point 4k and hdr. It's not the new best thing yet like Blu-ray was, it will be, but not yet. The next step is consumer friendly VR with lots of support and exclusive games, imo.

[trainsgofast]

@MrSec84

It will not be Jaguar CPU! If the PS4 Pro can't feed 32CU's with that CPU then how is it going to feed 64 - 59 CU? By the way ZEN comes in meany types.

[Skillz1215]

@obscure so 9 months= year and a half?

[BigLurch]

Cool can you post a pic of yours?

[Gaming101]

The blogger who wrote this garbage is such a Microsoft shill who needs to spit Microsoft's dick out of his mouth.

In response to hearing someone had a PC: "thats great, i'm glad you chose to get on the ms platform :)

it's unfortunate that you are forced to pick only a ps4 to play a sony exclusive"

What an ass wipe.

[MrSec84]

@trainsgofast:

"It will not be Jaguar CPU! If the PS4 Pro can't feed 32CU's with that CPU then how is it going to feed 64 - 59 CU? By the way ZEN comes in meany types."

Jaguar is the most likely prospect given it's size has been massively scaled down with the move to the 14/16nm finfet node, Scorpio is sure as hell not going to have an 8 Core Zen and btw PS4 Pro has 36CUs in it's GPU, with the overclock of it's CPU from 1.6Ghz in the launch PS4, to 2.1Ghz it runs fine for complex games like Horizon Zero Dawn at 2X 1080p, 30FPS, which is not far off of what you'll get in Scorpio with a 6TFlop GPU (likely with better visual settings in multiplats), it won't be a true 4K native console running all games at that resolution, with the equivalent of maxed out PC settings and certainly not 60FPS with no compromises as Albert Panello has been promising.

FYI it'll likely use the same GPU as PS4 Pro, just with a boosted GPU clock speed from 911Mhz up above 1300Mhz (which is easily achievable in the RX 480, it can hit 1330Mhz with reasonable cooling) in Scorpio.
FYI Jaguar was rated for clock speeds of up to 2.75Ghz when it was manufactured at 28nm, in PS4 Slim, Pro and Xbox One S it's now using the more modern 14/16nm finfet node, which could certainly allow for higher clock-speeds, with far cooler temperatures and more stable performance.

The same 8 Core Jaguar CPU in Xbox One will be fine to run titles like Forza 5/6 at 4K 60FPS with an RX 480 on the same die clocked at the speeds I mentioned above.

Zen only comes in a 4Core/8thread or 8 Core/16Thread variant, it does not feature a bunch of different CPU architectures, it's one Core Architecture that is way too big to put on a single chip with even a 36CU Polaris GPU at the current Finfet 14/16nm node.
You're dreaming if you think even that is happening, no Scorpio will just have a very similar APU to PS4 Pro, with a few fixed function mods of it's own and higher clock speeds compared to Sony's machine.
The major physical changes to Scorpio's APU will likely be the inclusion of Xbox One's shape audio block and likely a 50% increase in it's memory bus, which is likely why Scorpio can't release this year, that stuff takes time to work out and taper out.
With vendors busy manufacturing the chips for every other major device already out in the console space or coming soon and AMD themselves busy on their 3rd gaming design win getting manufacturing time from the right people was probably a major logistical issue.

You people really need to actually educate yourselves about the technology involved in these consoles if you're going to comment and think about what actually makes economical sense when these companies manufacture the chips that go into these devices.
Vendors wouldn't get hardly any chips on a wafer if they made the kind of SOCs you're talking about, whereas the level of performance Scorpio requires can be achieved easily with what I'm talking about and a few additions to keep proper compatibility with XB1, cost will be the most important factor.
A Zen/Vega chip would be ridiculously expensive and utterly pointless, especially considering that the 8 Core Zen CPU AMD recently demoed is basically up to par with a i7 Broadwell-E chip (that Chip retails for around $1000 and would be way overkill for even the highest end single Nvidia GPU set-up in a PC).

[Lennoxb63]

How do devs have their hands on something that don't exist? (Namely Bethesda and MS' first party) Phil Spencer already said they have people working on it. Of course its probably no more than a circuit board at this point but saying it doesn't exist is a major deflection.

[ChronoJoe]

Most people here aren't developers, they're consumers. So for them, it doesn't exist if it's not on the consumer market.

Obviously, the awareness that it will hit that market soon has some value in and of itself. It's easy to say that the Neo wins because it's the most powerful system, but for those that want to wait the Scorpio will be a more powerful system, albeit at a later date.

With that said, I doubt the power of either of these system is going to affect the market that significantly at this late stage. If anything I imagine the purchasing options will be the most convincing factor. Being able to purchase a slim PS4 for a nice price point is probably going to attract more new consumers than the Neo. Obviously there will be some that jump in with the Neo, but I imagine many of these upgrade adoptors will be existing owners, upgrading their own systems, especially those who are preparing for VR or 4K televisions.

Overall I think being first to market is the most important factor here though, and ultimately I worry that the Scorpio will suffer as third party developers will not be incentivised to make the most of its powerful hardware if it's overshadowed by the Neo, or cheaper models of either system.

[NewMonday]

only got their hands on the spec sheet nothing more

no dev kits even made yet

[nitus10]

Designing a PC is almost ridiculously simple if you stick to conventions and from initial design to picking parts, assembling them and installing an operating system should take someone with a little technical knowledge a few hours. Youtube is full of examples of this.

Obviously, if you wish to take the build and shrink it so it will fit in a nice case that gets harder since you have to basically redesign the motherboard so that all appropriate electronics will fit and work efficiently. There is graphical design software available to do just that and has been available for well over 40 years. A simple web search using the following "circuit board design software" as a starter will give you over 1.6 million hits.

Even designing your own integrated circuits is not overly difficult (there is software for that as well) however unless you have access to a fabrication plant it is easier and cheaper to just use "off the shelf components".

One of the simplest and yet the most difficult part is designing, building and integrating a power supply that will provide adequate power and cooling for all components.

I do think "ChronoJoe" has made a very good comment. It's not technical nor does it have to be.

[sampson3121]

I'm sure sony will be announcing the ps5 right before the scorpio lauches, just to return the favor.

sony made MS step in shit with the ps4 pro leak. because of the well placed leak MS has committed itself to creating this "most powerful console ever" to which the cost will surely sink the division because either A. they sell it for $599 because of the stupid Ultra hd player or B. they take a big loss because people aren't buying it so they have to lower the price like they did with the xbox one.

sony will have a full year to sell the most powerful console, the pro, which should sell great because of its price and being 3 times more powerful than the S. and only being $399..

to the untrained eye people wont notice the difference because of the architecture of the pro. the media that were at the event said the quality of the games look stunning.

sony learned from selling the ps3 at a high price point that people won't spend a lot on consoles. MS will learn the same with the scorpio.

the majority of consumers will take a lower price point, especially when the quality is almost the same when they look at the comparison while browsing best buy.

don't even get me started on the games. recore anyone? lol

[IamTylerDurden1]

It's a concept that might have a half baked dev kit. It's 14 month away. Pro is releasing in 2 months. Hopefully the same comparisons happen with the Scorpio and PS5, bc the PS5 will likely release a year after Scorpio.

[XanderZane]

Phil already said they announced the XBox Scorpio now so that devs would know the specs and start working on the games. Pretty sure that major 3rd party companies andall of Microsof'st 1st party are working on Scorpio/XBox One games. It's a PC really and that's what dev use to make their games. Dev kits will most likely be out before the year is over if they haven't already.

[S2Killinit]

lol right? besides, if we are going to compare future consoles, why not also compare PS5?

[shiva1]

Then compare it with PC which has it all since AD/BC.

[OB1Biker]

Advantage 2: watch and learn
O_O

Haha silly article

[starchild]

That's so silly. Scorpio and PS4 Pro are competitors within the same generation, while the PS5 won't be out for at least several years and hasn't even been announced.

[IamTylerDurden1]

PS5 will likely release a year after Scorpio, i wonder if we will get the same articles comparing the superior specs of the far off PS5 to the imminent Scorpio. Pro vs XboneS comparisons would be more apt.

[S2Killinit]

Scorpio is not of the same generation when all VR games are exclusive to it. How can the same generation have exclusives?

Also, its not even here yet. It will be another 14 months fir us to see it in stores.

If a console a year off can be compared with one releasing now, then the PS5 can also be compared to scorpio.

[XanderZane]

The PS5 has been announced? lol!! When did that happen? That's a system that doesn't exist and probably won't be announced until 2019 or 2020. Why would Sony announce another hardware less then 2 yrs after releasing the PS4 Pro & PS4 Slim. They still have to release the PSVR as well. It would be ridiculous to release all that hardware in a short period of time.

@IamTylerDurden1
Yes, 2-3 years after the XBox Scorpio. At that time a whole new generation will have started.

@S2Killinit
PS5 will start a whole new generation. The XBox Scorpio will not. It's still an upgraded XBox, which is why XBox games still play on it. Duh....

[omegaheat]

You wanna know why I think the PS4 Pro will flop? Because guys like you are already anticipating its failure by saying things like wait until PS5. So are you implying that the Scorpio won't be a mid generation console, but the PS4 Pro is? Do you think Sony's got unlimited cash? If this PS4 Pro doesn't sell well, mark my words that Sony will be close to bankruptcy.

[DigitallyAfflicted]

Im not an expert but if you look through history of gaming it will alway be down to games and price of the hardware not even the graphics or extra gadgets. We all know that.

[sammarshall102]

PS5 is still at least 3 years away

We know the Scorpio will be on shelves next year

[threefootwang]

Focus on Ps5? How about you focus on getting some games for the Ps4. The line up is abysmal. Before I sold my PS4 it sat for almost two years collecting dust. This generation has been mediocre and here you are already focusing on next gen. I thought hardware didn't matter for the ps4 Pro, its all about the games. Lmao, fanboys once again and there idiocy.

[S2Killinit]

Well if you liked to live in your xbox bubble you should have told me not to disturb your bubble. Fact is, comparing scorpio a year before we even know what its gonna be all about is no different than comparing PS5 to scorpio. As long as we are comparing future consoles.

In the meantime PS4Pro is going to sell like hotcakes.

[Obscure_Observer]

Bethesda and MS First Party Studios disagrees ;)

[Aenea]

Sure.... got any source for that?

Besides, a dev.kit is not the actual console...

[Obscure_Observer]

@Aenea

Sure.

http://www.roadtovr.com/fal...

Since Fallout 4 is exclusive to HTC Vive, IMO this news basicaly confirms Vive compatibility with the Scorpio.

If a Third Party developer already confirmed a VR Scorpio exclusive, i don´t think we need a Turn 10 confirmation for Forza Motorsport 7 version for the Scorpio. Did we? ;)

[starchild]

@Aenea

When the PS3 was nothing more than some announced hardware specifications it didn't stop people from hyping its power advantage to the moon. And the whole time that the 360 was being played in people's living rooms and the PS3 only really existed as dev kits people like you continued to talk up the PS3's supposed power advantage and bash the 360 .

Now that an Xbox console is going to have the power advantage you guys want to apply a completely different set of standards.

I can't believe how intellectually dishonest many of you are being.

[n4rc]

I'm sorry.. that ps4p for sale?

[Aenea]

I'm sorry, how does the Scorpio look? Release date? Price? Rest of the specs?

[shiva1]

Oooh man. What happened to u all when ps4 was initially revealed in same way. Where did u hide u r heads then.

Why is Pro required in first place?

[nitus10]

@shiva1

The PS4pro was announced officially with a price and availability date. The "Neo" was just rumors with no official announcement. The "Scorpio" was announced by Microsoft officially at E3 but there was no proposed release date or price.

As for "Why is Pro required in first place?". No one is forcing you to get one but on the 10th Nov 2016 you can purchase a 1TB one for $399.00 USD if you wish.

[BossBattle]

So I can buy a PS4 Pro today? The Scorpio specs are confirmed. You got to come up with something better than that.

[XanderZane]

Some of the specs are confirmed, but not all. We don't know everything about the Scorpio just yet.

[XStation4pio_Pro]

you can't put your head in the sand and pretend its not coming. its real, its on its way and it is technically superior to the ps4 pro.

[objdadon]

Lol, no one is pretending it's not coming. It's just do far away that we don't care.

[starchild]

Well, the Xbox guys could have said the same thing when the 360 was about to release and the PS3 was a year away. But that didn't stop Sony guys like you from talking incessantly about the PS3's superior specs.

So have some honor and quit trying to hypocritically apply different standards whenever it makes your favorite platform look better.

[Tobsesan]

Just like the pro

[gamer7804]

Thats not exactly true though, having something announced affects buyers decisions, especially ones that will require hundreds of dollars.

Person A: doesn't have a ps4, buys a slim or pspro or a ps4 on the cheap
Person B: has a 4k tv, decides now to get a ps4pro or xbox one s
Person C: doesn't have a 4k tv and has a launch console, saves this year for a 4k tv, then saves for a new console next year.
Person D: Has lots of money and just goes out today and buys an xbox one s and pspro and a 4k tv.

lots of different options, and information gives the consumer power to make appropriate decisions thats best for them.

[Condemnedman]

well I'm buying Scorpio not the pro so that's an advantage surely?

[GrubsterBeater]

Yeah, but you were gonna go XBOX anyway, as I'm sure you did this gen and last gen. You're still the same customer, not a new one.

[Condemnedman]

so? I could go with Sony does that make a difference.

[ZeroX9876]

Hardware performance is the price to pay to get the PS4 Pro earlier than the Scorpio. Sony could have delayed it up to next year and give it a performance boost, but they chose differently.

Seeing the loading time of Recore on PC vs X1, it's about time consoles gets an upgrade. Never had a loading longer than 30 sec on my PC. Those upgrades are more than welcome!

[NatFanBoyRestricted]

Atleast is gonna be more then the same overclocked hardware like the PRO

[Bluemaster77]

We can still speculate and write think pieces, just like people were doing for the neo. Stop being salty just because It'll most certainly be more powerful.

[XanderZane]

When it releases it will be the only new game console on the market worth getting. Anyone who wanted a PS4 Pro or NX will most likely already have one and compared to the XBox Scorpio'd hype and power, everyone will want one. There are a lot of advantages to going 2nd. Just ask Sony.

[BenRC01]

this! Scorpio is pure vapourware untill we see a box or a game running on it.

[4Sh0w]

bu, bu, but we talk about announced games long before they hit the market, it's quite normal to compare them to similar games already released.....in fact I remember you couldn't have a discussion about Xbox360 for the entire year it was released prior to ps3 WITHOUT every thread being filled with "wait until ps3", "bu, bu, but the ps3", so why not Scorpio vs PS4Pro???

That said if you like the Pro just get it and enjoy what if offers regardless of whether or not the Scorpio will be better. I just don't understand why some are being so defensive now when really these type comparisons are typical of the industry.

[sammarshall102]

You guys act like it still isn't coming out or something Lol

Scorpio exists and will be the most powerful console in the world Craig!!

[Phantom68]

Hahaha. So true!

[ApocalypseShadow]

Let's break down this article...

Saying it is a "true" 4K box is like saying it is a "true" HDR box. Some games will be 4K on Scorpio, some games will be upscaled just like PS4 Pro. Scorpio just may have more native games. No difference except one thing: Sony's system comes out 2 months from now. Microsoft's system doesn't for another year. And PS4 Pro is riding on PS4's success and in house exclusives that just aren't matched.

Next, Scorpio potentially has more power for games and VR,. No disagreement there. But you need games to back that up. What company has more games again? Has more exclusive again? Has higher rate games again?What games on Xbox match the potential of GOW, Horizon, Detroit, Spiderman, Days Gone, Death Standing, etc? And if you say Scorpio will get more VR games, that's a maybe. Right now, most are coming to PSVR from PC. And because of PS4 Pro, there will definitely be more PC VR ports coming.

And PSVR grainy and sickening on OG PS4? Yeah right. Haven't heard that from the hundreds of play tests. Stop lying. Microsoft not splitting experiences? Yeah right. OG Xbox one won't have HDR. Both Xbox one and Xbox one S won't have VR. PS4, PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro will have HDR and VR. Who is splitting what again? Play anywhere? You mean like remote play for PS4 to phones, tablets, PCs, etc. You mean like that?I didn't see Xbox one played on a phone from anywhere in the world over the internet like PS4.

Lack of a bluray drive? PS4 Pro **HAS** a bluray drive. Be more specific. And, Sony being more of a hardware company would have more of a clue about UL bluray than Microsoft. Is it a minus? Sure. But is PlayStation a game system first? You bet. Patches were sorted already. PS4 Pro will have more games coming to take advantage of extra power. And those same third party games will arrive on Pro next year at THE SAME TIME as Scorpio. Pro's library I think will be bigger because it comes out sooner. Like in 2 months.

Lastly: price advantage. 12 months advantage. In house developer advantage. Leading console platform development advantage. Saying Microsoft will have next Christmas to itself is ridiculous. Sony and Nintendo will be there too. The only clear option? BS! And the beast is on paper and nothing but talk until we see it. Acting like all games will suddenly look like Star Citizen overnight on Scorpio is foolhardy thinking. And development of that game is still not finished. Wake up.

[Lennoxb63]

"What games on Xbox match the potential of GOW, Horizon, Detroit, Spiderman, Days Gone, Death Standing, etc?"

You people HAVE to stop making these opinions into facts. I have no doubt in the world that the games you named could be great. Phenomenal even. But its still your opinion. Same goes for Xbox gamers. Other than that I don't have much to say about this long a** essay. I've heard it all before.

[ApocalypseShadow]

If Xbox's games were sought after as much as PlayStation's, wouldn't it be selling more or just as much as PlayStation? Does anyone talk about halo anymore? No. They don't.recore came and went. Quantum break came and went. What other exclusive came out besides those from Microsoft? None. Because they only care about 3 months of the year.

See, that's Microsoft problem. People can disagree. And that's fine. But it doesn't change the FACT that Sony has better in house developers. Don't lie to yourself. They are awarded more for their games. Name the last time Microsoft was awarded for their games? They haven't.

Microsoft used to stand by metacritic. But Sony now has better rated games. Now metacritic is shunned by Microsoft and it's fans. That's a fact as well.

Worldwide Sony sells more consoles and their games are accepted in other countries. Microsoft can barely sell their console worldwide like Sony does. How many Xbox's sold again? We don't know because Microsoft is embarrassed to tell us. Now they talk about man hours? Lol! Man hours.

You can believe what you want to believe but it doesn't change facts. And, any games that are coming to Scorpio that aren't exclusive,WILL come to PlayStation guaranteed because Sony has more consoles sold. It is the leading development platform. Just like 360 was the leading development platform last gen. That's a fact. Facts hurt. But it's okay because a lot of gamers are going to see for themselves the truth soon enough.

Oh wait, they can't, they have to wait a year to find out. Until then, Sony has the advantage.

[moegooner88]

Well said ApocalypseS. The current state of X1 exclusives is pathetic. Sold mine a while ago.

[LastCenturyRob]

you are missing one key element. Most third party companies usually favor the system with more power to showcase their games... As what happened with COD on the 360 then COD on the PS4. Many gamers are not loyal. They will go where the best experience is for their favorite games. If that is COD or Battlefield many just might follow the Scorpio as their choice. Price advantage? Not just gamers, but consumers won't have too many issues purchasing a more powerful console if that price difference isn't significant. $50 to $100 difference will not be enough to deter most consumers if the product is superior.

[objdadon]

Lol, that completely utterly false. Third party support goes to player base. The more consoles in customers hands, the more potential for $$.

[ShadowWolf712]

Except the 360 wasn't a more powerful system. It was A.) Easier to develop for and B.) had the bigger player base at the time marketing deals were made.

[Nathan_Hale53]

If that was the case, then PC would automatically win. In terms of the experience of graphics and choice, PC will always win. But it isn't, CoD goes for the most popular system. CoD last gen played 60 fps on both consoles. But they pushed more for the 360 because it had the largest player base until PS3 came the last couple of years.

[Letthewookiewin]

I would so up bubble you!

[joeorc]

@Apocalypse Shadow

Exactly!, what is the price point really going to be when A) if the core chipset is such runs as such frenq, contains 12 GB of system RAM..what speed? DDR 3/or with the increase to 12 GB of GDDR5 ?
Than you have to look at the bandwidth of its connection is that going to be built in Particular like the Xbox one's to keep a constant system Equilibrium with is smaller earliest Xbox one system so as they stated no Xbox user is left behind!

GPU being high increased accelerated cores...what do many things like this all grouped together is going to cost?
Higher cost components even a year from now is not going to be as cheap as many seem to think it will be..this is not the PC market the price of scale has to be like you would a single board comp STP template's that means fitting as much on to one single board production ..remember this is an embedded systems
They are as you would an embedded system not as you would a desktop.

You may think AMD is going to cost cut their newest SOC such like this as much when it's going to be brand new for the start of this upcoming year? We are D@mn near fall already , that means to get to say silicon Usable in sizable yields to be high percentages by say March or April?

Does Microsoft manufacture most of the components inside its Xbox console's?
Doubtful, Sony does not manufacturer every thing inside its Playstation's also, but it does provide many of the core components for its systems than Microsoft does for its Xbox.

There is a reason Microsoft stated Premium system...they may not know the over all cost for the system yet even them selves, all they know is they have a budget set for the system..and let's hope it works out to be as cheap as it can..

But I am not so sure it's going to be as cheap as many are saying it will. It's just in hardware factors like embedded systems..with such higher end components like this never put inside before in a market that is price concerned as the games console market is..you just never know..one thing is sure Microsoft started off with the Xbox one it was $500.00 than , yes it was including kinect..so by removing kinect..you could put resources into other parts of the system.. Like VR ready support for external HMD systems, is the Xbox one Scorpio going to doing all the brunt VR computing or are they going to provide extra computing for the Scorpio so as to be able to have VR be ready to run on the Xbox one Scorpio system .

Since its the only Xbox being set to be VR ready.
Many questions have yet to be answered.

[Lennoxb63]

Listen man. I don't give a d*mn about sales, who did this or that, exclusives, metacritic, etc. All I'm saying stop making your opinions a fact. You said the games you named are better than anything on Xbox. Well on the other side there are people who think Xbox games are better than anything on PS. Differing opinions. No ones right or wrong.

[Red_Renegade]

but if they sell better and review better, it's more than opinion, right? it's a FACT more people think playstation games are better. you may not agree, but the numbers- which are facts, not opinions- speak for themselves.

[ritchi45]

As things stand, right now, Scorpio is an idea whereas Pro is real.
Scorpio will have the power advantage when it releases, no one is questioning that, but as things are, right now in the present, there is nothing to go on. Just numbers.

[Obscure_Observer]

ritchi45

You CAN`T possible belive that! Xbox One Scorpio is about 9 months from now to be revealed at @E3 2017.

Please... No offence to you, but, only a fool would think that MS has just an "idea of a console" at this moment.

Prepare yourself to witness not only CURRENT first party games running at native 4K but also third party VR exclusives as well. ;)

Nine months!

[MrSec84]

He's not wrong, if Scorpio was a real thing then Microsoft would have been able to reveal specifics like showing what the box looks like in the plastic, not use a CG render of the motherboard, but rather actually show the motherboard made of real materials and give the actual real PCB layout.
They could have confirmed the actual CPU core type in use (it won't be Zen as you believe it to be in your other post I replied to).

Gameplay for the system would have been available at E3.
As it stands Scorpio is just promises by Microsoft of vague statements that mean very little right now, there's nothing tangible in what Microsoft has delivered in the way of information surrounding Scorpio.
Right now Scorpio is marketing terminology and general PR for an imagined device, nothing more.

[Obscure_Observer]

@MrSec84

What? That´s do not make sense! They ANNOUNCED the Scorpio not reveal it! Of course they boasted some serious numbers to create buzz and hype, but that´s all.

NX was also announced but so far, not revealed yet.

Wait for the Scorpio console and full specs reveal at E3 2017. ;)

[LastCenturyRob]

Obscure...Remember 90% of those on this site are 14 year old fanboy trolls. Their mommy and daddy bought them one system and they will defend it with their lives.

[objdadon]

Wow...smdh

[TFJWM]

Obscure_Observer

Of course Scorp is real but I don't see why you can't see his side of it.

Perhaps he sees Scorp as MS new Power of the Cloud. We actually have more info on how the cloud will improve the xbox one and seen it "in action" and has been talked about longer then Scorp yet the cloud has yet to happen.

Now MS comes out with more promises about what kind of system they are going to have with vague specs and you can't see how someone could be skeptical that they didn't just put together a bunch of buzzwords and ideas before they actually had the hardware in place or how the system would work first...

[trainsgofast]

Your right, why give it all away now? What ever the CPU is it's more than 8 Jaguar cores that can't feed 64-59 cu just like it can't feed PS4PRO's 32CU.

[Skillz1215]

no different then hollow lens. both are damage control

[Aenea]

*might

It probably will, but we can't be sure, still on paper now...

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@starchild

Listen buddy, we don't know the final and full specs of the Scorpio. You can assume that MS will keep their promises but they didn't say "we are AIMING FOR" for nothing. If they were 100% sure they could they would have used different wording.

So it's fair to say that it's not sure. Heck I think they will, don't think they can not and don't look foolish, besides they might even feel they need to go over that number, but you can't deny it's 100% for sure.

I resent that you say that I'm dishonest and moving goalposts, I'm not, I'm actually stating facts, while you and your friends cling to this 6Tflops number as if it's already set in stone. It's not, face facts.

[starchild]

My god, this is the most ridiculous deflection I've ever seen.

Do you honestly for one second believe that Scorpio will not launch with the specs that Microsoft announced? This isn't some newcomer to the videogame business. Both Sony and Microsoft have made multiple consoles already.

When Sony announced its past consoles I didn't see people on N4G saying "it doesn't exist"..."it's just on paper"..."it's vaporware". Where was the skepticism and attempts at downplaying those Sony consoles? Instead all we got is a year of Sony fans rubbing the superior specs of the PS3 in the noses of Xbox fans. I even remember a lot of Sony fans speaking nonsense about the PS3 supposedly beating high end PCs.

It's truly cringeworthy to see so many of you engaging in dishonest goalpost-shifting like this. Have a little honor and own up to the facts as they are. It's not like the PS4 doesn't already have a great many things in its favor.

[Xavy]

Microsoft is ready?? Well where is it?

[Kryptix]

it's in the hearts and imaginations of the people! That's what truly counts!

[NatFanBoyRestricted]

Just like PS greatness, it's always waiting

[Xavy]

haha lol what? hearts and imaginations? Is that what you guys are playing nowadays?

[fanboysmackdown]

PS Pro is pretty redundant without a 4K hdr tv isn't it and how many people actually own one today? And how many will own one in 14 months from now when Scorpio releases? I know who's in a better position and I know which console I'll be buying first, along with a new television.

[MrSec84]

There's nothing really redundant about it, no one legit would say that an RX 480 is redundant compared to an RX 460 for a 1080p display, just because RX 480 can run games at higher than 1080p, PC gamers just run better visual settings in their games at 1080p and max the games out, the same will be true for the PS4 Pro compared to the standard model.

Way more people will buy a PS4 Pro compared to Scorpio because it's very well priced, PS4 has way more exclusives than the Xbox One ecosystem does, people can just build a PC rig with something like an overclocked RX 480 or 470, pair it with a pretty cheap CPU like an FX 8320 and get similar or better performance than Scorpio more than a year before that system will release and the majority of XB1 exclusives will be available to PC gamers, the same isn't true of the PS4's exclusive games.
The simple fact that more people are buying PS4s should tell people which console maker is in the better position, Scorpio having some added power isn't going to really change much, if anything at all.

PS4 Pro takes everything that was great about the launch PS4, that more people recognized and improves it substantially, whether you run games on a 4K HDR panel or a 1080p SDR one you're going to benefit from Pro.
Performance will be improved on games that have issues hitting target frame rates and visuals will be improved too that's the point.

[oSHINSAo]

Wow you did your homework

[Aenea]

This is about Scorpio tho, right? So wouldn't the same go for the Scorpio? Being pretty much redundant without a 4k HDR TV?

[objdadon]

Exactly

[ger2396]

It will be redundant without a 4k hdr or games. Why do people always forget the most important aspect of a gaming console?

[Trez1234]

So pc has been redundant as well because they have great specs but no 4k tvs or monitors...right?

They won't be any improvement on 1080p screens....right?

And if you think the majority of gamers will wait for the scorpio then you are in for a rude awekening.

[ger2396]

A ps4 pro?

[blackout]

JUST 3. Well ok.

[Aenea]

Okay....

1) 42% performance, if MS actually hits what they're aiming for, 6Tflops, it's the same difference now between PS4 and X1
2) Better VR, maybe, maybe not, we will have to wait and see, since it's not out yet...
3) Free holiday (as in, no new hardware competition), ehhh, good luck catching up on a year of PS4 Pro's sold!

Weird article. Are we getting this sorta crap for an entire year? And then rumours start of the PS5 and we get this all over again, then not long after the next Xbox, and so on, and so on... sigh...

[Obscure_Observer]

@Aenea

1) No. It´s Not! PS4P as of now just can´t run CURRENT gen games at NATIVE 4K without MAJOR fps drops to the point of making the game unplayable. Both original PS4 and Xbox One run CURRENT gen games at 1080p/60fps. So your comparissons are way off!

2) Better VR yes! PSVR is great value for ps4 users. Not doubt about it. But you can´t be serious if you want to compare PSVR with Oculus.

3) One could say 9 months! In case MS manage to impress with the Scorpio presentation at E3 2017 mindshare will be HUGE. Note: I´m not saying Sony can´t outshine the Scorpio presentation with its AMAZING exclusive PS4 games lineup just like they did to MS this year. ;)

With Sony releasing 3 new hardware pieces this holiday with PSVR, Ps4p and Ps4 Slim, don´t expect Sony to announce the PS5 any time soon. They are not throwing dollars and R&D costs alot of money.

My guess is 2019 to announce and 2020 realease.

[Aenea]

1) So? Scorpio won't run CURRENT gen games at NATIVE 4k either.
And no my comparisons are not off, 42% between 6TF and 4.2TF, 38% between 1.8TF and 1.3TF.

2) I am serious. Tell me what makes the Rift better than PSVR? Forget about the machine driving it, talking about the HMD here. Both have things that are better on one than the other, most people shout "resolution!" but that's debatable since they say that 'cos you might see the pixels more on a lower resolution but PSVR has 3 subpixels instead of 2 on Rift/Vive so SDE is less noticeable.
Then the machine driving it, well since the resolution is higher on Rift/Vive the machine driving it needs to push 23% more pixels, a bit more than half of the extra power of the Scorpio already goes to waste there, what they do with the other extra 19% we will have to wait and see.
Then the games, many people believe all Windows VR games will be coming to Scorpio, they won't run without changes that much is sure so we really do not know how many will come...

3) You really think that all sales of the PS4 Pro will halt because MS will show off a slightly better performing Scorpio? Don't think so

[Chris12]

As Mark Twain said, 'lies, damn lies and statistics'.

Percentages can be twisted to exaggerate or down play any piece of data. In round numbers, the Scorpio will be 400% more powerful than the original XB1 and the power difference is 400% more than between PS4 and XB1 (2tf vs 0.5tf). There is also a big difference between half a tf advantage and 2 tf flop advantage, so trying to down play with numbers via percentages is classic Mark Twain.

[Aenea]

Funny...

It's not 2Tflops, it's 1.8Tflops. Scorpio's speed is 333% of that of a standard PS4, not 400%.

Also if someone says "x is 50% faster than y" it means "x has 1.5 the speed of y". 400% more powerful means it would be 5 times as powerful....

Power difference is not exactly 4 times either (1.8 vs. 0.5)

Even tho 1.8Tflops and 0.5Tflops difference seems to sound like a bigger difference, but when you think about the fact that PS4 Pro and Scorpio have to push 4 times the number of pixels for 4k, if you look at it that way and compare it back to the power difference between PS4 and X1 we're back to the difference being about the same, just swapped who has the advantage. So no, I don't think Scorpio's games will look a lot better than on PS4 pro in 4k... In 1080p that might be totally different tho....

[EpicSandwich]

Half a teraflop is nothing like
Two teraflops lol quit the damage control please

[Aenea]

1.8, not 2.

And it totally depends on what those extra flops are being used for. For 4k? Then they both have to push 4 times the number of pixels then to compare them to 1080p PS4/X1 equivalent you have to divide 1.8 by 4 as well = 0.45

Yeah, gonna make a huge difference am sure! /s

[Sm00thNinja]

Really? Neither of the articles were necessary. Scorpio is still a year away

[gbsrnctaln]

Power. So far thats pretty much it.

[Next_gen_2015]

Believe it or not...power is one of the biggest reasons ps4 sold so well.

[gbsrnctaln]

You have to realize that it was the power plus being $100 cheaper, not just the power. Plus the ps4 exclusives just seem to appeal to more people.

[ShadowWolf712]

If power was a chief selling point for a console the PS3 woulda been flying off the shelves in the early days.

Price is the sweet spot, and that the PS4 was stronger WHILE being $100 cheaper was just icing on the cake. Then came the games and the train kept rolling.

[ger2396]

Don't forget the exclusives.

[oSHINSAo]

That, and Sony playing a dirty game where they kept talking bad about the xbox one and making promises "greatness awaits" never saw that remote play game the promise. and well, winning every comparission between both, but with phil everything changed and Scorpio will rock ps4 Pro, i don´t know in sales, but in power it will.

[DafunkyRebel]

None of which are games. Also Pro might be a 4K machine only for this current gen and Sony will make another more powerful console to compete with Scorpio that they haven't announce yet

[DJustinUNCHAIND]

It will be PS5 and it won't be until 2018 at the earliest.

[DragonDDark]

2019*-2020*

[ger2396]

More like 2020, that's when 4k tvs will be more affordable and programming will be mainstream.

[showtimefolks]

did we not get an article about 4 advantages of ps4 pro? these sites are making money from click bait articles and fanboys are more than happy to click/view

http://n4g.com/news/1958466...

unwarranted brand loyalty to support/defend anything wrong/anti consumer policies/practices is the main reason sites like these exist and make money

n4g has gotten so out of hand now all we get are clickbait articles

[EpicSandwich]

Power
Better vr options
Games
Mods
4k blue ray
Native 4k
Multiplayer service

Is the reason I'm going back from PlayStation to xbox, you just can't Ignore this beast of a console and make laughable excuses like price and release date. Microsoft listened to their fans this time around, Sony didn't. These companies keep doing it and keep going back and forth with momentum.

[Keltech]

Power
Better VR options
Games!
Blu-ray
Native 4k
Multiplayer Service

Is the reason why I'm going back from Xbox to PlayStation, you just can't ignored this beast of a console and make laughable excuses like release date. Sony listened to their fans, Microsoft hasn't. These companies keep doing it and keep going back and forth with momentum.

[Elda]

Nice!

[NatFanBoyRestricted]

Not native 4k.

[Keltech]

Damn I feel filthy after writing that..

How do you do it epicsandwich?

[ApocalypseShadow]

That's the problem of SOME Xbox fans. They live in this other world that isn't reality. Just like when Sony caught Microsoft with their pants down and launched PS4. They're doing it again with PS4 Pro. But this time, it's a year that Microsoft is behind. But some of the fans just won't wake up from their dream.

Even when PlayStation fans keep telling them that they are falling for the dangling carrot each time, they still fall for it. Hoping this time, Microsoft will be do something that pays off.

PlayStation fans told Xbox fans that there wasn't any secret chip for 3x the power,esram will not change anything, dx12 will not change anything, releasing kinect power will not change anything, the cloud will not change anything. But they keep falling for it again and again.

Now they cling to Scorpio power as if the system will somehow sell 25 million systems to catch Sony. They live in this dream world thinking they have power. Some of these fans running around like they are He-man. But in reality, the Xbox one is cringer next to PlayStation and it's sales
https://m.youtube.com/watch...

[EpicSandwich]

Im just living in reality I'm not high on meth to not know who's doing better for their customers

[Trez1234]

Doing better for their customers....just happens that console customers are gamers and all we want is more games and Sony been providing. If MS keeps listening to some of its fans ( I know some actually call for more games) the xbox will become a one country only console in no time.

[ger2396]

Games?

[Jayszen]

PS Pro will be out a year to 15 months BEFORE Scorpio so there is NO advantage! If anything, for the next 12 to 15 months, Microsoft has no console that can even come close to the PS Pro let alone outperform it and, worse, will continue to have NO exclusive games to even warrant buying Scorpio when it comes out. At least with Playstation, you can only play the PS4 and PSVR games on the console, whether PS4 or PS4 Pro.

[Haru]

Honestly if I was Sony I'd wait a month or two before Scorpio releases and announce a 10 teraflops PS5 for 2018, that would kill Scorpio even before its out but that's what Microsoft deserves because they did the same

[Jayszen]

@Haru,

I suspect this is what Sony has planned as they are releasing a mid-generation update this November and while they might wait if Scorpio does not do as well as expected, they have given themselves room to come out with PS5 if necessary in late 2018.

[DragonDDark]

Lol

[NatFanBoyRestricted]

That's best idea ever. So now you want all Playstation Pros purchased to be obsolete in less then 2 years. Sony to start that annual upgrade that supposedly everyone hated.

[j15reed]

But what yall fail to realize is once the Scorpio comes out MS will always have the upper hand on console power, so Sony announcing the PS5 for 2018 would just prompt MS to drop the NextBox in 2019.

[Kallisti]

Microsoft is ready? The Scorpio doesn't even have a release date yet

[Shakengandulf]

It is ready.. haha fail

[SojournUK]

But the PS4 Pro is current gen and the Scorpio is next gen, this is like saying PS4 has major advantages over the xbox 360.

Plus this website spread the 'news' over 4 pages FFS. 1/10

[Aenea]

Both current gen tho... Go look what MS said about Scorpio...

[TheOptimist]

All these Xbone fans, going all lovey dovey over a non-existent console.

[LastCenturyRob]

What? Yeah, like you weren't "all lovey dovey" when the pro specs were first rumored. Get off your high horse, kid!

[TheOptimist]

I don't own a console -_-. I'm a PC gamer and don't like what MS is doing. PS4 Pro, will divide the PS4 owners into two, but it'll not be a huge difference, because Sony is going to keep the multiplayer component locked at a set fps. Now imagine Scorpio which can run games at maybe 70-80 fps and they are being bogged down by Xbox One's 30 fps in multiplayer. MS is going to create a bigger gap between the Xbone and Scorpio users

[nitus10]

The rumors about the Neo was just that "a rumor" since it was never officially announced. When Sony finally did announce the PS4pro the company gave specifications, a release date that being 10th Nov 2016 and a price. of $399.00 USD.

All Microsoft has done was announce the Scorpio and it's specs but no release date or tentative price.

[Aenea]

Hope keeps people alive tho! :)

[Tobsesan]

How can the pro launch without even one exclusive game beeing released with it? First game worth playing might be horizon, which will probably get delayed to mid next year. So why would you buy it now if it doesnt have games worth playing? Just stay with your current console and wait for a pricedrop

[Trez1234]

It's an upgraded ps4 and since you obviously don't know nothing about playstation, I'll break it down to you really quick...games like gravity rush 2 , last guardian, yakuza zero ( January ) exactly what separate the two consoles and for you horizon is the only title worth playing but some see alot of cool up coming games this holiday.

But hey, it's kinda funny to read you guys excuses of why playstation always leads worldwide. Both consoles get popular games but one has alot of niche games and those games usually have a dedicated following.

[Tobsesan]

How many of these games launch with the pro and have a pro Mode? Yes, exactly....
If I buy new more powerfull hardware, I want new games to show it off.

[ShadowWolf712]

Actually, a surprising amount. And it won't be hard to actually release a patch later on even if it doesn't launch with Pro features. Just like what's happening when Pro launches: already-released games will get a patch.

So I mean... you're kinda making noise about nothing.

[nitus10]

Easy. Any game that plays on the PS4 will play on the PS4pro and any game that is enhance when playing on the PS4pro will also be able to be played on the PS4. PC's have been able to do this for years. It's only an arrogant or ignorant developer who develops a game that can only be played on a high-end PC.

[Tobsesan]

So devs that dont make a Bad Version of theire game so it can run on consoles are arrogant now?

[nitus10]

@Tobsesan

If you care to read what I said properly I was talking about PC gaming in the last sentence.

"It's only an arrogant or ignorant developer who develops a game that can only be played on a high-end PC."

Probably the better word for "ignorant" would be "poor business sense" since the high-end PC market is relatively small and what they should and the majority of developers do is to produce a game that can be run on a wide variety of PC architecture from what could be called low-medium (eg. i3, 2GB memory) to high-end whatever that is.

You can apply the same reasoning to the console market in that any developer is arrogant or of poor business sense to develop a game that would only play on the PS4pro and not on the PS4. If you like we could even substitute XB1 for PS4 and "Scorpio" for PS4pro.

[DragonDDark]

Scorpio won't have exclusives too though?

[boing1]

Doesn't have them yet. It doesn't exist.

[Next_gen_2015]

Thats your defense? lol ps4 fans must be feeling pretty beat to pull that card

[boing1]

Defense?? I'm not defending anything. Just stating the obvious.

[Xavy]

haha lol, how have you been feeling this whole gen? dont tell me, you almost killed yourself protecting the bone :D

[zsquaresoff]

Biggest disadvantage is lack of quality first party games. Exclusives that are non existent on Xbox.

[objdadon]

The scorpio doesn't exist. Article has no meaning.

[JoeDG]

You know that already the publisher have start working with the def kits right..

[Red_Renegade]

publishers don't work with dev kits.

[nitus10]

A dev kit for the "Scorpio" or even an XB1 need only be a high-end PC and Microsoft Windows 10 with DirectX 12 because that is what is currently the operating system of the XB1. DirectX 12 is the API suite for handling tasks related to multimedia, especially game programming and video, on Microsoft platforms.

A dev kit for the PS4 and PS4pro can also be a high-end PC that supports any of the open platform API's such as OpenGL and Vulcan to name two, however it does not support DirectX since that is a Microsoft proprietary suit of APS's. Surprisingly dev kits for the PS4 are relatively cheap to the point of giving them away. See http://www.polygon.com/2013...

[NatFanBoyRestricted]

It's been revealed, not leaked or speculated. There's a console intentionally being built for what it was revealed as. Saying it doesn't exist is BS, at this point. If someone went around saying that about a game that was revealed, but because it wasn't something he can obtain or own that very moment, everyone would say that guy is stupid.

[MagicBeanz]

Was this article in retaliation to the other one?

[_LarZen_]

Next article should be: Why PlayStation 5 will have major advantages over the Scorpio.

[Ristul]

If power was THAT important, why did PS2 dominate it's generation, why did the original Playstation win over N64, why did NDS become the best selling portable against PSP, why did Wii sell better then the more powerful PS3 and X360, why did Gameboy curbstomp GameGear. Could it be that power is just one of many things people look at when buying hardware? Hmmm...

[EpicSandwich]

Microsoft has been releasing game after game this gen. Go play forza horizon 3 demo on xbox one and tell me if u can't find anything on ps4 that even comes remotely close.

[Ristul]

I don't need Xbox One to play Forza Horizon 3, I can just get it on PC like every other microsoft "exclusive". If you want quality exclusives, Xbox One is not the console that comes to mind.

[Jayszen]

@Ristul

Most gamers look at games first. What is the point of having a console that is super duper in the power stakes but has no more than 3 or 4 exclusives a year at best? These are usually only from the same franchises that Microsoft has been supporting for years now and which are also now available on PC thereby making an Xbox console unnecessary. As long as Playstation has the games coming for console and VR, gamers will use the PS4, PS Pro and PSVR no matter how they fare against their respective rivals when it comes to specs.

[JoeDG]

Every time the same bullshit on this side.
The Pro is real the scorpio only on paper...
Sorry but a lot of studios just work with the def kits.
6tf to 4.2... all the fucking time
The most here don't understand how important the 320 gbs to 218 gbs bandwidth is. For all res over 1080p the bandwidth is substantial . The difference is 46 % on this side and will effect big the res u see on your 4k tv .
On cpu side is 100 % fact the scorpio will have a better cpu. I personally don't think it will be zen but no way they will continue with jaguar. You don't build a 6tf 320 gbs bandwidth 12 gb ram console with a hilarious cpu like the jaguar. Ms is going all in this time in terms of power and no way they will use for a so important part of 4k gaming a junk cpu. A custom Raven Ridge cpu makes sense.

[ironmonkey]

Lol its the new talk these. Things that don't exist yet. Ps4 pro does exist. Two months and will be in homes of millions period. Scorpio?

[EpicSandwich]

SCORPIO DOESN'T EXIST MOMMMMMYYYY 😭😭😭

Lmao that's what I think of everytime someone says something like that

[nitrogav]

Can all these articles stop until about 14 month's from now please. If top end PC's are struggling for a true 4K experience now what's people think Scorpio is going to pull it off?. Can't wait to see the price when it comes out too. It's obviously Microsofts last chance. If Scorpio fails I can see the towel been thrown in!.

[DeeBeers]

Scorpio is more powerful! Also coming at a good time 4 years after X1. 3 years is too soon. Definitely still getting a lot of value from my X1, so waiting a year for an overall better machine that will go farther is the easy and obvious choice.

Plus better online network, dedicated servers for first party games, and first part games that have great sustainable online multiplayer. Thats where the money is.

[superchiller]

Seems like DeBeers needs to lay off de beers, they're muddling his thoughts.

[Deeke]

This is absurd. People need to stop comparing the PS4 Pro to Project Scorpio. Websites keep making this irresponsible connection because another console war is great for clicks, but it's incredibly irresponsible.

Comparing PS4 Pro to Project Scorpio is like comparing AMD's mid-grade Polaris technology against Nvidia's high-end Pascal GPU architecture.

It's a false equivalency and this really needs to stop. Project Scorpio will leverage enthusiast-grade console hardware (likely an underclocked GPU from AMD's new enthusiast Vega architecture) along with AMD's high-grade Zen CPUs.

The PS4 Pro uses mid-grade Polaris GPU tech and an overclocked Jaguar CPU. Stop comparing the PS4 Pro to the Scorpio; the console wars have changed. Websites KNOW the console war has changed, and they've reported on the iterative cycle, but they keep perpetuating this flawed "PS vs Xbox" war because they know its great for clicks.

I'm really disappointed in these sites. No one seems to understand what the iterative console cycle is, so we're not going to see the classic "PS4 vs Xbox One" war for a long time. Each company's consoles will be released in staggered waves so they won't directly compete with one another any more.

[Saito]

Next..... Three reasons why the moon will dominate this console generation

[SynestheticRoar]

Two years of blatant exaggerated promotion is setting this console to fail. Bad enough it going to be the most obese console of the bunch.

[cimerians]

Unprecedented graphical fidelity!!!!

[ArmoredCoreVI]

PS4 Pro and Scorpio are not competitors you idiot!

[Kokyu]

If its priced right I maybe picking up a Scorpio, I already have a Ps4 collector edition so no need to get a Pro maybe no need for a Scorpio when Ps5 seems to be landing some where around 2018.

[TheHunter81]

It's a console, so if it doesn't have the games(which Sony clearly does) then what's the point? If they wanna push it as a 4k Blue Ray player then that makes sense. Almost all XBOX games are on PC and the price of the Scorpio will be minimum 500 dollars. If it's less I'll be surprised. I see no value other than a 4k player.

[Scatpants]

It doesn't matter what it has because it's not coming out for a year.

[Skillz1215]

no it has ZERO because as of right now now it's a "cloud of a console"

[tsivik]

Next week article... 3 major advantages the PS5 has over Xbox Scorpio, followed by 3 major advantages the Xbox Gemini has over the PS5.

[IamTylerDurden1]

And the fatal flaw of Scorpio is that MS is viewing it as basically their next gen system while Sony views the Pro as simply a premium PS4. PS4 Pro will be part of the PS4 life cycle, but Scorpio will likely get a legit console life cycle. This means that Pro has no impact on the release of PS5, which is likely coming in 2018.

So, the likely scenario is that Pro releases in 2016 as the most powerful console ever. Then, Scorpio releases a year later with the same power advantage that PS4 had over xbone. However, the advantage will likely be short lived bc as recent leaks (and logic) would suggest that PS5 will launch a year after Scorpio (2018) and MS will not have an answer for a number of years bc Scorpio IS their next gen system. That is the fatal flaw in the equation for MS, and obviously PS5 will blow Scorpio away in terms of specs.

So, Sony will continue to have the power advantage (4.2 to 1.4 teraflops) for the next year. Then MS will finally take that advantage for a whole year. But then, PS5 snatches it back and holds onto it for multiple years. In reality though, it's more about the quality of your 1st party studios and what they can do with the hardware.

[EpicSandwich]

Sony won't release ps5 till 2020 so scorpio is going to dominate for a few years for sure. Lol at how u think Sony is going to announce a new console a year, the power gap between scorpio and ps pro has really made you delusional hasn't it lol

[jznrpg]

It has 0000000000.00 , it is just a name

[Captain_Tom]

Haha everything in this article is conjecture.

1) Yeah it will be stronger, but it will also be more expensive

2) Who says that Sony won't have an updated PS4 Pro a year from now? They very easily could.

3) Watch and learn?! You mean give Sony all of the innovation credit for a year, and then play copycat. Yeah that always makes you look really good...

[sullynathan]

More powerful system is a huge advantage.

[superchiller]

"XBox Scorpio has one huge disadvantage over PS4 Pro: it doesn't even exist yet." That's a better title for this lame clickbait article.

[pumpactionpimp]

One thing I've been trying to wrap my brain around, I'd Microsoft claim of 6tf. They claim to be using amd tech, but a stock rx 480 delivers 5.8tf. So I wonder if they're making a custom gpu to pull of that performance. Or are they over clocking a stock 480, or are they just fudging the numbers to include cpu calculations.

And to those talking about price. A stocked rx 480 can be found on the market for $230-300. If bought in bulk, the price would drop significantly. Depending on what else the Scorpio has, it may very well fit in that $399 figure.

But with micorosfts track record, I will believe everything they've claimed, once it's actually on the market for consumption.

[QUIMICOMORTAL]

has? as if it exists right now?

[DarkBlaze25]

I've always had multiple consoles and I will continue to own multiple consoles so I'll be getting both the pro and Scorpio. However I can't seem to understand the logic of don't compare the pro to the Scorpio because one exist and the other doesn't. If I remember correctly when the 360 was out and the ps3 was first being talked about Sony fans had no issue making that comparison much like xbox fans are doing now. So why the hypocrisy and why do a lot of Sony fans ignore that point once someone brings it up?

[Kazru]

What is with this stupid bickering about Scorpio being real, not a competitor to the Pro and so on? Yeah it's not out yet, yeah they haven't shown the box and so what? They announced the project with specs and more than likely prototypes are out there. Has it been fully revealed? No. Is it real? Of course.

When it comes to competition, they are absolutely in competition. They are both projects seeking to accomplish relatively similar goals. You can't claim because it comes out later and more than likely will be more powerful that suddenly it's not a competitor. In turn saying it would be a competitor to PS5, this is a never ending chain of pretend. By that logic, Scorpio isn't a competitor to PS5 either. PS5 would be the competition of Xbox Two or whatever they call the next one they launch after PS5. Makes no sense. In the same token that would of meant PS3 wasn't a competitor to Xbox 360 because of the release gap.

This arguing over justification of your purchases and feeling inadequate if you don't have the "best" machine on the market is ridiculous. Does anybody actually enjoy gaming or just arguing about platforms?

#clowns4life

[Wallstreet37]

What you fail to realize and didn't include in your defensive rant is that Microsoft has a history of lying and bullsh##ting so nothing they say should be taken at face value, even Scorpio.

They lied about rrod being an issue until a class action lawsuit forced them to acknowledge.

They lied about and showed doctored videos of kinect and we know how that ended (nowhere near what they showed).

They then lied about kinect not being removable from xboxone due to the os dependency or whatever bs lol and when sales plummeted we all know how that went

The cloud compute they promised is nowhere to be found lol and I'm sure it exists because its mainly dedicated servers but its obvious its not all it can be and their having issues.

Add to that that any company can come out and say "we are working on a system years away that will be stronger" but they don't get a free pass, if they don't show and prove. This isn't religion and I have a problem putting my blind faith in a company who has lied and bsh#$ted quite often.
#dontjudgeclown# #99reasonsxboxone#

[melonfarm3r]

Why PS5 Has 3 Major Advantages Over Xbox Scorpio

[BenRC01]

ps4 pro number 1 advantage..... it actually exists. good job selling Scorpio with ps5 probably getting announced just before lol.

[EpicSandwich]

Good job selling the ps5 when the scorpio 2 is going to get announced lmao

[Wallstreet37]

The major advantage the ps5, next Xbox after Scorpio, ps6 will have...

They don't exist yet but will all undoubtedly be stronger than the pro go figure lol

[Gantrfaxx]

And one major disadvantage that actually matters the most. Lack of exclusive, great games.

[Jayszen]

Scorpio does not exist and will not do so for at least 12 to 15 months while PS Pro will be out in less than 8 weeks! For a year at least Xbox does not even have a console that is as powerful as vanilla PS4 let alone the PS Pro! What happens in December 2017 should be discussed then. In my opinion, even if Scorpio is more powerful than PS Pro, so what? Unless it can compete on having exclsuive games that are not available anywhere else but on the console, power will mean nothing to most gamers who buy a console to play games. All Xbox games are going to be on PC which in reality means that any decent gaming rig built from next year will play the game BETTER than on Scorpio. Games like God of War, Spiderman, Horizon, Persona 5, etc., etc. will only be on PS Pro, PS4 which also both support PSVR.

[EpicSandwich]

Pspro and ps4 that's two platforms aka not exclusive lmao the brain capacity of some people

[Gwiz]

PS4 Pro https://www.youtube.com/wat... lol

[Nathan_Hale53]

Still see people holding onto hope of native 4k on the Scorpio. It isn't happening for most games, I can guarantee that. Maybe the first Xbone games that were released, but expect a 30fps lock for most but indie games.

[trooper_]

Another day, another silly article on N4G.

[Zorkaz]

I won't lie. If this was out now, and if the PS4 didn't have any exclusives, and if it was cheaper, I would definitely buy it. HOWEVER, that's just sadly a lot of 'ifs'. I'm personally hating the whole exclusive fiasco. I don't think content should be taken hostage. But the price for this is understandable. It's a helluva lot more powerful, and it's definitely gonna have it's advantages, so that's gonna cost more, I get it. Also, does everybody who commented here own a PS4? Jeez I can't cope with all this console war drama ...
That's why I bought a PC :)

[leeeroythe3rd]

The butthurt is too comical...

Price is microsofts biggest problem. Ps4 pro is entering market at a smart price point that i pray microsoft follows. A 400$ upgrade every 3 years would be easy to upgrade every cycle like my cell pho e

[leeeroythe3rd]

Neither platform Exist right now... comparison speaks to the lag in point. Dab some ky on your hole and quit bitching

[PendingDoom]

Yeah so alot of people seem to think because the ps4 pro is releasing a year early that Microsoft is going to be way behind. How so? Isn't the Xbox one S in this equation?

[leeeroythe3rd]

Well my car is faster than ... oh wait most of this site cant drive or afford a car ... or a ps4pro or scorpio. Trash but funny trash none the less

[2pacalypsenow]

All that matter is price, look a the Ps3 it had all the technology in the world and still didn't make a difference until the price dropped. Price is king unless Ms can sell their next console for under $600 I see it being just a niche console until the price comes down

[QuickdrawMcgraw]

#4...N4Xbox..

[jnvegas]

I guarantee all of you. PSVR is the difference here. The mainstream gamer (majority consumers) waiting on a MS system with mythical specs pulled from a unicorn's ass will head over to the neighbors house, toss on the headset...Game over.

[EpicSandwich]

I've tossed on a vr headset and couldn't handle it for more then 5 minutes plus games look last gen. If u think vr is going to be a deciding factor then I think the kinect will also be one lol

[Sweetbrandigirl]

OMG I'm so sick of these console wars ! The Xbox Scorpio and the PS Pro are both companies effort to keep us fighting and buying their consoles so they can continue to use us as sheep. Console slowly keep moving in the direction of PC's anyway so just go get a gaming computer and then just change it to meet current gaming standards and quit being the tool of the gaming companies.

[crxss]

Why is everyone comparing a next gen console with a current gen upgrade? 🤔

[LastCenturyRob]

the pro is over twice the power of the PS4...more than an upgrade.

[PistolsAtDawn]

Imagine ReCore 2 with Co-Op on Scorpio.

[BoneMagnus]

If MS continues with backward compat. - and allows modding old games can get graphics updates, then it will have a clear advantage - bringing some of the best aspects of a PC.

[Immortal_NZ]

Its funny how they keep bringing all these news articles out about Scorpio when we don't officially know anything about, everything else is from rumors of what the Scorpio can do

[Rhythmattic]

If an Xbox One can't run any VR, but scorpio does, doesn't that in itself not imply Scorpio is MS's NEXT GEN Console?
Afterall, even MS touted its not a small upgrade but a significant one compared to their current machines..
Scorpio IS MS's Next gen console.

[SegaGamer]

Oh great, now we are going to get these kind of articles are stupid fanboy arguments for the next year are we ? these constant fanboy wars are doing my head in now. It's absolutely pathetic.

[BlackWolf12]

The one and only advantage it has, is that it is SCHEDULED to launch a full year after the PS4 Pro, allowing them much more time to pump things in to it.

If the PS4 Pro was launching at the end of next year, it would likely have even better specs than the Scorpio, given Sony's history of always outdoing Microsoft in specs.

I wish people would stop talking about the Scorpio as if it is in the market right now. We might as well start writing articles about how the PS5 will be SO much more powerful than the Scorpio, that has just as much validity as the current Scorpio articles.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

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