Why Sony President Is Wrong About PS4 Pro Preventing Gamers Moving To PC

Sony's President Andrew House, in a recent interview revealed that Xbox was not the major threat to their platform at the moment. Instead PC has become PS4’s main competitor due to people wanting more power or simply wanting more options, whatever the reasons be. But is it logically sound? The answer is not in the positive, that's for sure.

[NewMonday]

sure worked on me

I was going to upgrade this year before news of Neo came out, turns out for the best because next year the GTX 1180 should run a good number of games 4K@60FPS, and it should be good enogh for a number of years.

[Kashima]

Then ur begging for PS4 games will start.

[Arbormist]

That's nonsense. PC has the largest gaming library on the planet 20 fold over. There are so many games out in the past, out recently and out in the future that the PS4 will never have it's not even funny. PC won't likely ever get Bloodborne. PS4 will never get Star Citizen. PC will likely never see TLOU/Uncharted 4/Disgaea 5. PS4 will likely never see Starcraft 2/Path of Exile/Arma 3

The list on both sides just goes on forever. PC will never see the Bandicoot remake, PS4 will never see Warcraft 4.

Don't be that kid. You're truly only hurting yourself being so intentionally ignorant.

[annoyedgamer]

And he will get them, many PS4 games are on PC and more will follow. All X1 games are doing the same.

[Maxor]

LOL begging for what, Until Dawn, The Order and No Man Sky? Oh wait, No Man Sky is multiplat.

You know what I'm really begging for? 60 FPS as a baseline.

[sorane]

@Arnormist

Actually PC already has TLOU it's not an exclusive anymore. Along with a bunch of those horrible Uncharted games and God of Wars etc etc etc.

[Bolts]

PS4 fans are the ones who are begging. For mods support, online play without overpriced fee, games without upscaling frauds, and 60 FPS.

That's not even mentioning the constant whining within the community that will certainly ensue when the PS4 Pro releases for support. Here let me start now.

Sony please release a 60 FPS Bloodborne and Darksouls 3 patch on launch day. While you're at it patch Witcher 3 GOTY, GTA 5, Destiny and too.

[PurpHerbison]

There is seriously only one game on PS4 that needs a PC port and that game is Bloodborne.

[Kokyu]

@Abormist

You're smoking crack if you think Star citizen woukd end up on a Sony or xbox console. If the dev is offered enough money it will happen. Case in point GTAV isnt coming to PC or next gen hahaha.

[freshslicepizza]

sony knows people want to go to the pc where there is free online, tons of games, mod support, and not have corporations telling its customers what they can't have like ea access and cross play with other competing devices. all while buiding your own library that can be carried over.

that's why they spend millions and millions of dollars advertising and buying deals with developers like helleo games or just trying to secure their own ip's and wall themselves off. it'sa just too bad sony didn't go all the way with the ps4 pro and not half measure 4k and not have enough power under the hood to get games like the new mass effect to run at 60fps.

but they know it's about costs. that's why they hit a big roadbump with the ps3. problem is with psvr there is going to be quite a big difference in performance for regullar ps4 owners which is why the ps4 pro was likely created in the first place. sony talks about the adoption of the pc and 4k but the ps4 pro actually supports the argument it was more about psvr.

[DeeBeers]

All the things you say are supremely agreeable.

[2pacalypsenow]

Majority of gamers don't care about that, they just want to be entertained. That's why over 70 million people still buy consoles and companies still cater to console gamers.

[Bolts]

Then 70 million of people wouldn't care about the PS4 Pro. There's no reason to buy a PS4 Pro unless you care about performance and a premium experience.

[Death]

@2pac,

Maybe they should? Those were all very valid points to be a PC gamer. I'm not sure how Sony can compete with that.

[ONESHOTV2]

NewMonday--- dude you are a die hard sony fan so stop lieing about you where going to move becuase you know it won't happen and BTW there is no card with that number

NewMonday-- no i was born 1990 and yes that's not after the game was released another thing i'm sure the next gpu will be the 1080ti

[NewMonday]

unless nVidia change the model numbering next year it should be the gtx1180

and I have been playing on PC since the days of the original Monkey Island, probably before you were born.

[Mystogan]

Why not both? I'm going Xbox, PC and Laptop. Im going all in on the Xbox Ecosystem. Xbox Scorpio for in the living room. PC when I just want to sit in front of a monitor. Laptop for When I'm traveling. My games and progress will always be with me. If only there was a PC handheld which could pay most PC games at 1080p 60fps, One can dream right?

And I wont have to buy a second Xbox One if I want to play with people in my house. They could just use the PC or my Laptop.

As for VR it would be cool if Xbox Scorpio also supports Oculus Rift instead of proprietary. then I would just need one Headset that works on my Xbox, PC and Laptop.

[DJustinUNCHAIND]

Yeah. Sure.

We absolutely believe you.

[starchild]

@NewMonday

But you've always been a hardcore Sony fan, so that's not saying much.

I had planned to get PS4 Neo/Pro and I may still get one at some point, but Sony's meeting kind of reduced my interest in it. Since I already have a PC and Gsync monitor that allows me to play my games at 4k with smooth framerates the main interest I had in the PS4 Neo was that it would allow me to play my Sony exclusives with better quality and that I thought it would also be my first UHD Bluray player. One of those reasons has been removed, so now I'm asking myself whether it's worth spending another $400 just to see better quality in a handful of games I'll play on it.

It's certainly not going to prevent me from continuing to play mostly on PC.

[NewMonday]

played several games this gen on PC, especially if I want to use trainers and don't want to grind, just don't have the time for that.

[showtimefolks]

best decision for me as a gamer

i get to play games at much better res and fps in november instead of next november. i get to play already released games in better res,fps and loading times or i could wait till november 2017

$399
$499(most likely)

by next fall ps4 pro will be $349 so if people think price doesn't matter than just look at ps4 vs xbox one originally

so if you could play these following games starting november 2016 at 1080P/60FPS(upscaled 4k HDR) for $399 than why would you wait till november 2017 to do the same? if anyone thinks scorpio is native 4k than they don';t really understand the tech side of achieving native 4k. some of the top end cards can't even handle native 4k at 30FPS

fallout 4
the witcher 3
bloodborne
infamous
uncharted
ratchet and clank
gta 5
nba 2k17
mlb the show
madden
fifa
wwe 2k
call of duty
bf 1
bioshock collection
the last of us
destiny
elder's scroll
mafia 3
ff15
batman return to arkham
south park
watch dogs 2
dead rising hd
horizon zero down
the last guardian
dishonored 2
scom 2
resident evil 7
titanfall 2
persona 5
yakuza
darksiders hd remaster
mgs 5 deluxe edition
tekken 7
for honor
ghost recon wildland
prototype collection
GT sport
no man sky
dues ex
mass effect andromeda
most likely mass effect trilogy

casuals will buy pro because they don't care/understand some fanboy logic about TF. they will buy what they see their friends playing on and what they see in advertisement. starting november 2016 ps4 pro will be the most powerful console in the market

[TheOptimist]

Most probably none of the multiplatform games are going to change for the Pro, only the exclusives. Even Mass Effect Andromeda is not going to be 1080p/60fps. All the other games like Witcher3, For Honor, GHW, Dishonored 2 etc are all going to be probably upscaled 30 fps. Because not all companies are going to make patches and put down their resources for patches for games. Also Mass Effect is not going to be remastered, EA has said that.
@Showtimefolks
It's not just about money. Many developers have moved on to newer games and unlike PC games, console games are not supported after a fixed amount of time (Exceptions are always there)

[showtimefolks]

TheOptimist

http://www.bleedingcool.com...

mass effect day in november pretty much confirms it

and what are you talking about mass effect being 30 fps is a developer choice now on pro or sony. and did you not see 3rd party games which were show running on pro? you really think a game which has sold over 5 million copies will have trouble putting out a cheap patch?

[annoyedgamer]

Of course he is! Both Sony and Microsoft are running scared. PC hardware (which is what consoles are based on) is rapidly advancing and consoles are being left behind. They are being forced to redesign the consoles every 4 years. The cost of upgrading consoles every 4 years is now equivalent to upgrading a PC with new hardware every 2 cycles.

Sony and Microsoft realize this and are silently preparing for the end of consoles by releasing many of their exclusives on PC.

I have an X1 and was considering the Scorpio and the only reason I stay on consoles is for cheaper games and physical releases (Digital downloads is highway robbery). Even the multiplayer community on PC is better, its what XBL used to be back in 2008.

I know the Sony fans on here who are trying to promote the newly announced PS4 successor (that's what it is folks like it or not) will smash the disagree button but even they realize that you can't kill progress. Technology changes and markets change according to demand and cost. Consoles are no longer a viable option for gamers since PC hardware keeps getting cheaper.

[Aenea]

Sony hasn't released a single exclusive on PC...

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@Movefasta

You're not willing to admit it's not the same thing I see, ok, then keep thinking what you do, keep fighting the good fight!

[TheOptimist]

PS Now?
@Silly gamerAR
Not for me it doesn't for a handful of games, paying 20$ is too much for 7 yr old games, but for those who want to play Tomb Raider with a guy protagonist and Tomb Raider with a guy with Zombies and an invisible girl, they are welcome to do so.

[Rimeskeem]

PS now is a service which is monthly subscription. You can't buy the exclusive you can only rent it if anything. And that doesn't even have PS4 games not all the older library.

[Movefasta1993]

My friend doesn;t have a ps3 or ps4 and he's playing the last of us on psnow...WHich it means it's no longer an exclusive...
LMAO them disagrees,facts are facts.Just like with the windows 10 lineup those games can be played on pc.

[Silly gameAr]

@Optimist

Oh, so PS Now matters to PC gamers now?

[Death]

@Move,

They are timed exclusives at best if you hold them to the same standards as Xbox games. When PSNow launched, PS4 games were talked about as well as PS2 and PS1 games for the service. With PS4Pro coming and PSNow hitting PC's it will be interesting to see if Sony starts to move PS4 games to the service. I don't think it would impact console sales, but it would increase subscriptions.

[s45gr32]

PS Now service is on the PC.

When SOE (Sony Online Entertainment)was owned by Sony , it released exclusive games on the PC. For example, Everquest.

[andibandit]

"Sony hasn't released a single exclusive on PC..."

You must be new to the gaming scene

[Cueil]

what world are you playing in where the community on PC is better? I love gaming on PC, but let us be real... it's not nearly as cohesive an experience as playing XBL or even PSN

[TheOptimist]

He is talking about community. And yeah gaming on PC, I haven't experienced 12-16 y/o old kids screaming their vocal chords into oblivion swearing by someone's mothers. About the cohesive experience, I don't understand how much easier can a multiplayer experience be after it has been converted to literally a 'Tap a button and get into a multiplayer match'

@TheVigilanteCode
I have been in CSGO community for about 4 months now, and while I was in the silvers, I did find some stupid people, but none of them screamed( IN the competitive matches). And after reaching Gold Nova 3, till now I haven't found one person shouting in my ears. Also, in DOTA, not many people use voice chat, very few times. You are the one who has not played any PC games I suppose.

[TheVigilanteCode]

@TheOptimist

You're right actually. Not 12-16 year olds. If you boot up CS:GO or DOTA 2 you'll experience 6-8 y/o children trying to hit puberty on their microphones with their verbal diarrhea and of course, the very intellectually challenging and innovative insults/comebacks like "YOUR MOM"S *******" and their derivatives, when the player who's receiving it wouldn't have opened up his voice chat at all.

The shooter community's voice chat on console might be immature depending on a game. But on PC? LOL. It just means you haven't played ANY shooter on a PC if you think it's any better.

Not gonna argue with "getting into a MP game" on PC though. Though it was hot garbage during it's launch on single clients like steam/origin/uplay which tried to copy console equivalent's network like Xbox LIVE's unified friends list and an MP client (PC gaming's MP connectivity was always better when it was single game based, instead of clients running their netcode. EG: Quake, Unreal, Doom, Everquest etc), it's way better now. All the major clients on PC are hassle free today, I agree with you there.

[ONESHOTV2]

Cueil-- you mean like playing with children ? lol yeah i will stick to the pc community

[s45gr32]

As far as online communities goes it depends who you play with and how good are your gaming skills. Me, I never had a good online gaming experience whether is on console or on PC. On PS3 I played GRAW 2 online with R2D2 wannabe or when I played lbp online nobody spoke. That was my issue with PS3 online the fact that nobody wanted to use a mic, all text 😯. On PC I played dead island online with a bunch of racist, fraghead bastards; I also played Payday 2 online got kicked out because my wireless kb and m went haywire on me. So in all honesty, no good online gaming experience for me regardless of platform. I had more fun playing with an old high school buddy of mine offline multiplayer on his PS4.

[OB1Biker]

It's not the PS4 successor silly

OT I think it's the exclusive games that do the job

[uth11]

PC represented "progress" in the 80s and 90s, Today's tech consumers expect things to be plug and play, and PC goes against that trend. It had numerous chances to be the dominant gaming platform, but failed everytime because it is just not mass-market friendly. Most people don't want to spend their time researching which components are better or want to upgrade piecemeal. Mobile is more likely to become the dominant gaming platform than PC because it's more in line with what the average consumer wants.

[sorane]

It is the dominant gaming platform other than maybe mobile so maybe know about what you're talking about before posting. You obviously know little about PC gaming. Makes far more than both playstation,xbox,nintendo combined. Single games have more players than any console has all together.

@Aenea below

Yeah you definitely need to go on because you didn't prove a single thing. Like are you seriously linking battlefield stats ahhahahahaha why? What does that prove? Here try these:
http://arstechnica.com/gami...
http://www.ign.com/articles...
http://www.eteknix.com/top-...
Seriously do some research before you post.

@Aenas edit below.

"You do realise that posting sales per platform from a multiplat publisher tells us more about how popular PCs are for gaming than the numbers you posted, right?"
Noone realizes that because it isn't true at all. Valve is multiplat for example. Post there numbers then and tell me what it says about how popular PC gaming is compared to consoles since you yourself admitted that it would tell you much better than the actual hard facts.

"In your first link alone the sales for PC and all consoles combined seems to be almost the same number."
Right there you admitted that PC gaming is the most dominant platform yourself. You even say it's bigger than ALL consoles combined which proves my point.

"25% of it is gaming on social media (like those silly Facebook games) among other things basically making those numbers an apples and oranges comparison"
Huh? Games are games. Money is money. If you wanna exclude them then you have to exclude all the consoles that are sold just to play CoD and Madden just cause.

"That data also showed that more than half the number is related to free to play MMOs, let's say that's 50%, social is 25%, that means that a little less than 25% is the same type of games that are available on consoles as well which suggests that AAA games on PCs are doing worse."
It also doesn't in any sort of way do anything to disprove that PC gaming is the most dominant platform(which it clearly is).

"BFH/BF4/SWB there are more active players on PS4 alone than on PC"
BF4 on PC has always been close to the numbers on ps4 and the other 2 are horrible games that anyone on PC would never play. All that shows is that PS4 owners have really bad taste in games.

"why I posted stats and sales of 3 different AAA multiplat publishers"
You only posted 2 first of all. Posting Ubisoft just shows how desperate you are since most PC gamers are smart enough not to go anywhere near Uplay. Would have been smarter to post just the Blizzard numbers which by far makes more money on PC.

"as well which suggests that AAA games on PCs are doing worse."
I only see you listing games that are made strictly for the console crowd. Plenty of AAA games sell more on PC than consoles. Games like Skyrim, Diablo 3, Overwatch, Witcher 3, etc, etc, etc, sell more on PC. Not only that but PC has well over 100,000(yes that many) games to choose from so all your single game data is totally pointless. Seriously amazing how I keep giving straight up facts that prove my point and you keep circling around the whole situation picking little parts suit your agenda but never have anything to do with what we're talking about.

[ONESHOTV2]

uth11--- "consumers expect things to be plug and play", you should rephrase that console owners expect plug and play there is a difference between why i game on pc and you game on console if you want easy plug and play as you have said then stick to what you feel is easier on your brain becuase i know any idiot could know where an HDMI cord is plugged in on your pc and then your TV

[Aenea]

@sorane

Care to back those claims up with proof, hmm?

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Here, I'll 'help' you.

http://bf4stats.com
http://bfhstats.com
http://swbstats.com

http://www.statista.com/sta...
http://www.statista.com/sta...

Need I go on?

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You do realise that posting sales per platform from a multiplat publisher tells us more about how popular PCs are for gaming than the numbers you posted, right?

In your first link alone the sales for PC and all consoles combined seems to be almost the same number. But the article also explains what's included in the PC share, 25% of it is gaming on social media (like those silly Facebook games) among other things basically making those numbers an apples and oranges comparison, hence why I posted stats and sales of 3 different AAA multiplat publishers which clearly shows that they sell way less on PC than on consoles and that on BFH/BF4/SWB there are more active players on PS4 alone than on PC....

That data also showed that more than half the number is related to free to play MMOs, let's say that's 50%, social is 25%, that means that a little less than 25% is the same type of games that are available on consoles as well which suggests that AAA games on PCs are doing worse.

Also, providing 3 articles that are based of the same exact data is a little redundant :)

Maybe you need to learn how to research and read the numbers? And seriously, try to be nicer to people, it gets you further in life...

[Death]

Todays console gamers maybe, but anyone interested in tech isn't afraid of the cost or extra work PC requires. PC is the dominant platform and it is expected to grow at a rapid rate. I know it's hard to understand, but there is a world outside of Playstation. There is a reason both Microsoft and Sony are trying to appeal to PC gamers.

[Aenea]

@Death

I'm tech savvy, have built my own PCs before, also still remember trying to optimise memory with QEMM on DOS to get the last few KBs free so I could run a game. After many years I still like tech like the next person but just don't want to waste my time by having to troubleshoot PC crap anymore. Besides, since I grew up with Atari (2600, XL, ST and TT) I have always been way too fond of joysticks and could never get into KB+M games. Even when I gamed on PC I still had consoles, Sega Megadrive, PS1, PS2, handheld ones as well, but I now firmly prefer to just buy a game and prop it it and play without hassle...

[uth11]

PC Gaming is simply not for everybody. It's like a high-performance race car. Sure it performs better than your family car, but it also requires lots of special handling and maintenance that not everybody has the time, interest or money for.

Not only that but there's misinformation in this article. Like he adds the PS+ cost, but dismisses the free games as "nobody likes the games they give out anyway". Sure they do. Ignore the monthly bitching which is nothing more than a fanboy war about which system got the better freebies. All you need is 3 good games a year our of more than two dozen and the service paid for itself, if you get more than that it becomes a really good deal.

Also he said a GTX 750ti will outperform a PS4. The benchmarks I've seen place the 750ti somewhere between the Xbox One and the PS4.

[TheOptimist]

Many people have complained over the lack of good games on the PSPlus and I have seen it in the comments of an article stating that XBLA was better than PSPlus. And the lack of AAA games in these offers have led to many people complaining as well. Also that price is for the multiplayer as well, so yeah it stacks on.

For the second part, I did say that the GTX 750Ti is accompanied with an i7 which will also help boost the frame rate a little. And I have also seen this from a YT bechmark, but instead of i7 it was an AMD FX-6300 which performs far lesser than an i7, but was still able to provide a constant 30 fps lock on 1080p high settings.

Edit:
I do agree, being a PC gamer, it is very nerve wracking when you are about to upgrade your PC. And yeah the plug and play feature as well.

[freshslicepizza]

please dont bring up the 'free' games on plus and xbox gold. if they really hold any value they would not be holding online play as hostage. take away that requirement and subscriptions would fall dramatically.

and it also doesn't require you to be a car mechanic to keep your pc running. it is so much easier now to get into pc gaming and the myth you have to keep buying new parts every year or two years is baloney and look, now the console makers want you to keep buying products every few years just to keep up with midrange pc's, not even high end pc's.

pc gaming offers way more freedom and they don't have to pay people to stand on stage trying to convince the world that your product is better by holding games as some bait because that is the only place you can play them.

[s45gr32]

Thank you.

[kneon]

PS+ wasn't required last gen for online play, yet that had millions of subscribers, your argument doesn't hold water.

[freshslicepizza]

@kneon
"PS+ wasn't required last gen for online play, yet that had millions of subscribers, your argument doesn't hold water."

whatever you want to believie. NOT ONCE did sony ever give any numbers last generation of plus members. then low and behold sony announced how when the ps4 came out subscroptions went crazy. every ounce of data out there totally contradicts your claims.

[V0LT]

They are only free if you subscribe. Then they are toast. So, they are not free.

[Skankinruby]

Exactly, it's very expensive to make a gaming pc that is significantly superior to consoles. Then there's the gaming itself, sitting in an office chair using a keyboard and mouse is a horrendous setting to relax and play games (my opinion). Talk about pc specs all you want it will never replace the console gaming experience for me.
@starchild
And how does that contradict my statement at all? I said significantly superior so costing 200 dollars more just to equate ps4 pros power only further supports my statement.

[starchild]

That's nonsense. You can build a PC to match PS4 Pro for around $500 to $600 and it carries with it all of the inherent advantages of PC gaming.
http://www.pcgamesn.com/amd...

[Princess_Pilfer]

589 dollars, over 40% more powerful than the PS4 Pro.
http://pcpartpicker.com/lis...

PS4 Pro and 4 years of PS+? $600
You've actually saved money by going with PC (though the cost is frontloaded) even if you don't buy anything on sale or hunt down the best deals. So no, it's not.

If you're willing to buy used parts you can pick up an i5 2500k for as little as 20 or 30 bucks and a compatible motherboard for 45 off of ebay. Even if you buy the rest of the parts new you can drive the price down to $450 or so.

[Maxor]

Nobody cares about these free games. They're garbage. Most PS Plus members don't even bother and the "savings" are so damn low that it's an insult like .99 off some trash game.

Most people pay for PS Plus for the online play and with the price increase, there are even less people playing online.

[ONESHOTV2]

uth11--- you again dude the 750ti paired with the right CPU can outperform the ps4 look at digital foundry video on darksouls 3 do some research before you start spewing crap that you know nothing about

[TheOptimist]

Non-experienced, uneducated peoples. I don't know why they comment when they have not even experienced.

[s45gr32]

Maintenance on PC is a headache is not as simple as grab a rag and dust off the dust of your console. I give you that. Is not as difficult or complicated as it was in the early 2000s (crashes, freezes, annoying cd keys, pain in the ass gaming installation that run for 1 hour to 2 hours 😭, etc.). Is just that the media makes PC gaming unattainable plus unappealing, the media always favors consoles. This leads to misinformation in regards to PC gaming. PC gaming offers the best of console gaming:

Platformers like cave story, gianna sisters twisted dreams

Schmups like blue flamingo
Retro jrpgs

Arcade racers like red out (a tribute to wipe out)

The most complex games in the market like Offworld trading company, Stellaris, City Skylines, Space Kerbal Program.

Xbox gamepads can easily be installed to PCs. The other gamepads is pretty much the user tricking the computer into installing an xbox gamepad when is not.

Wireless kb and m is comfortable on the lap no need for coffe table or lap stand lol.

Easy to tv or monitor. Just plug in and forget it.

PC hardware lasts 5-7 years no need ti replace parts every 2 years lol. For crying out loud, I have a Phenom 2 quad processor.

My point is this, let go of the nineties already is not like that anymore.

[MilkMan]

PS4 PRO is Sony's WiiU.
It's a half step.
Xbox Scorpio looks to be the better of the monster systems.
(don't care about consoles)
What I AM interested in is the NX. Not because of horsepower but innovation. I want to see what that is about.

[TheOptimist]

Same here. I hope that the NX get's it's share of new IPs. Breath of The Wild is probably my most anticipated game among Star Citizen, Horizon: Zero Dawn and Scalebound

[ninjazfistz]

PC > Scorpio > PS4Pro > XboxOneS > PS4 > XboxOne > WiiU > LOL

New edited special edition for fanboys: PC > PS5 > Scorpio > PS4Pro > XboxOneS > PS4 > XboxOne > WiiU > LOL there :)

[BossBattle]

Yeah basically

[ninjazfistz]

Omgz. Lol. I don't think damage control fanboys can handle the truth.

[daynnight365]

Looks about right to me

[thexmanone]

PC >Scorpio 2> PS5 > Scorpio > PS4Pro > XboxOneS > PS4 > XboxOne > WiiU > LOL

[jmc8888]

Innovation? Strapping a HDMI port on the back of a handheld is a feature every handheld owner wanted.

It wasn't a reason to call it a console. But the rumors have said it is. It's throwing the Nintendo console users under the bus. If you like Nintendo handhelds, it looks great. If you like Nintendo consoles, it looks far worse than a Wii U. A weak FP16 device will not get 3rd party AAA games.

Meanwhile I'm not interested in FP16 handheld games. So all I'd get was a handful of Nintendo 1st party console games, about as many as the Wii U offered, maybe less. Unless the rumors are wrong, the NX simply isn't for me or for millions of other Nintendo fans or Wii U owners.

But innovation? Nope, don't see it at all. Detachable controllers on a handheld does not sound like innovation to me, nor does it sound even smart to do. Motion gaming in public? If it doesn't latch right the device hits the ground?

MAYBE they have something innovative, and when they reveal we'll see. But by all the rumors I don't see one bit of innovation.

[MilkMan]

There's never been a portable console. Not a handled that connects to a home console. That's (again) another half step.
If Nintendo makes a console that fits in between Scorpio and Pro, I'm fine with that. The WiiU had many innovations one them being seamless wireless streaming from the main console to a pad. It was pretty great considering the signal was pretty strong.
Nintendo has cemented not only their track record when it comes to games, but no one will dispute that they have innovated in many different areas over the years. Way to many to mention here.
More horsepower is cool and all, but I want to see what Nintendo has up their sleeves.

[ninjazfistz]

Yeah the rumors are kinda going crazy about NX. If it does have a home console/VR dock to amplify power to VR levels that would be kinda cool. I expect the portable device by itself to be slightly less than Xbox One which is amazing

[DillyDilly]

You will never be able to do half the stuff you can do on a PC on a Console

[Ysmir6723]

closer to 5% i would say.

[Yetter]

It was pretty funny Andrew House said this the same day Bethesda uncovered there would be no mods on the PS4

[Ysmir6723]

I think sony made their case worse.Putting out a low end performance pc again in 2016,means no new sony console for at least 3 years.In that time,old gpus already faster than the ps4(970 150-160$ for example),will get even cheaper and the new gpus in the next 2 years wil see massive performance increase,and a smaller but significant one for cpus.They should have gone with at least a 1070 and an i5,to try to stay at least somewhat close for the years to come.Compared to my sli 1080s,5820k and 32 gb ram,its very very slow in comparison,lacks 90-95% the features of a regular pc,no mods,no 3-5 years warranty,yearly fee,pricier games,no upradability,30 fps,makes the case of a pc gamer buying one impossible.

[Destiny1080]

you can have the best pc in the world you still wont be playing horizon zero dawn/uncharted 4/ratchet and clank/god of war/gran turismo in vr/The Last of Us/Bloodborne

[TheOptimist]

PSNow has Uncharted 3 and TLOU. -_-. And Uncharted 4 is practically Uncharted 3 with the grappling rope.
@joeorc
I actually don't mind the story that much, I don't even focus on the story in linear games like DMC, ROTR or anything else you name it. The gameplay in such games should be good, and that's why I liked the open endedness of ROTR and the flashy combat of DMC. IF I wanted another Uncharted repeated over 4 times in terms of gameplay, I would play ROTR 4 times instead. And no I have Windows 10, but I'm not supporting their eco system, because they are trying to make the PC platform a closed one, of which I don't wanna be a part of. Anyday Steam.

Anyways, for what you call good games in U3 and TLOU, which can be finished in one month, I don't think people are going to pay more than one month for them. And once they come to the PC, they are 'Console Exclusives' doesn't matter.

[The_KELRaTH]

A few exclusives isn't a reason as you could use the same analogy for PC but with the advantage you can say it for new and all the way to very old games (ie. Star Citizen to old classics via MAME emulator for example).

[OB1Biker]

@The_KELRaTH
MANY exclusives are a very good reason for either choice.

[joeorc]

@TheOptimist27m ago
[PSNow has Uncharted 3 and TLOU. -_-. And Uncharted 4 is practically Uncharted 3 with the grappling rope.]

Go right ahead and Rent..what did many say when Microsoft Xbox one exclusive games went to PC and also steam..well it's still Windows OS, still their Eco system..you are still supporting Microsoft..

See Sony just monetize PC gamers that may not have wanted to buy a PlayStation platform...and pretty good, I can use my existing smartTV or PlayStation Vita to do the same thing..if would want.. With out using My PC...But if you want to finish the Uncharted story line..you have to buy a PS4..or wait until PSNow gets those games in say after the PS5 releases..and even than its still Renting..no local download.

And you still need to download the PlayStation Now App..so your still supporting a PlayStation Exclusive platform...PlayStation now games will only run by that App. And only being streamed from Sony's own Server's..

So Still exclusives are still exclusives..pay the rental fee or buy a PS4 or its a no play.

[Movefasta1993]

You can play tlou and uncharted in pc.Same with the god of war series and gran turismo.You do not need to buy a ps3 to play those games

[ONESHOTV2]

Destiny1080 yeah if i had any interest in those games i would have just bought a PS4 since i dont then what does that say.and BTW the last of us is not exclusive anymore and the old god of war which i have already played

[Ysmir6723]

And you wont play any exclusice pc games.I dont really care for any of the games you listed.Lastly,i work with my pc and i make 110.000 euro a year,i can have 500 ps4s,and even if i had an intrest of owning a console,10 good games you listed dont justify the purchuse.It does roughly 4-5% of what a pc can do,and it does those things very very poorly compared to my pc.

[WellyUK]

you people make it out as if Sony's exclusives are unmatched... PC has some fantastic games that are only on PC, a lot of brilliant RTS games especially. A lot more variety in every genre of games on PC that most people have never even heard of. Then there is the mods that have kept some games going for years and some mods completely change those experiences. I personally dont think there is any exclusive that I would buy a console for now, PS4 is just lucky it happens to run majority of third party games better than its main competitors.

[s45gr32]

With PS Now on PC 😎 believe me PC gamers will force Sony to stream PS4 games. In 3-4 years PS Now will be cheaper, stream all Playstation games and put an end to console hardware 😄

[cd1]

@45

"believe me PC gamers will force Sony to stream PS4 games"

You're funny :)

[Allsystemgamer]

That's nice. Should I list the games the ps4 will never get to play?

That door swings both ways.

[Kashima]

Put Gravity Rush 2 & Persona 5 in that list.

[jmc8888]

The funny thing is the GTX 1070 uses less power and creates less heat than what they put in the PS4 Pro.

Hell even the GTX 1080 uses less power and creates less heat than what they put in the PS4 Pro.

If you don't believe me, google power consumption RX480 vs GTX 1080.

[Ysmir6723]

Thats true.my 1080s(oc to 2050) require a 700-750 psu anf max temp(doom 4k/ultra) was 68 .Avg was about 63.For a sigle one,a 550 bronze at 83% is more than enough.

[The_KELRaTH]

Not working for me; 1) The result of the Pro will mean lower quality games on normal PS4, games aiming for Pro will likely not have user settings to turn off / tune the game for PS4, likely it will be Aliasing off, much lower fps which will ruin the majority of mp games 2)it won't really play 4K games as it doesn't have enough power (218Gb/s v true 4K requiring more like 300 and that ignores extra 20% for HDR) 3) Buying a PS4 Pro and selling PS4 works out more expensive than upgrading (as a close example) to an R480 and selling my GTX970
I'll also have paid an extra £120 per 3yr cycle to Sony supposedly for a great multiplayer experience.

Still no mention if PS4 Pro has the more up-to-date SATA III to make use of high speed SSD's

[cd1]

You estimate 20% of the memory bandwidth will be used to display the HDR content? I'm no expert but i don't believe that for a second. Please provide your source for this statistic.

[The_KELRaTH]

Here's a few links that might be interesting
http://www.screenplaysmag.c...
http://www.techradar.com/ne...

[cd1]

@KEL

"Netflix has echoed this, expecting a 20% bandwidth requirement for HDR". I believe they are referring to internet bandwidth, not memory bandwidth.

[Ysmir6723]

The 480 is slower than a 970...and pricier too.

[TheOptimist]

Not on DX12. I have seen benchmarks where the RX 480 outperforms the GTX 1060 in some cases which performs equal to a GTX 980 on DX 12 (Not an AMD fanboy lol, just saying)
@Ysmir6723
What about the future? We are definitely going to see developers use DX 12 or Vulcan if they want to make the most out of PC hardware.

[Ysmir6723]

How many dx12 games are there,compared to dx11,10,9,8????Should anyone ignore 5.000-6.000 games for what?5-10 games?

[danny818]

yup! Figured after 3 years another $400 dollars PS wants me to spend has led me more and more too look into getting into pc gaming. Does psnow work on PC?

[sorane]

Yeah PS Now is on PC. A lot of those exclusives aren't exclusive to Sony anymore. They have joined the whole "console exclusive" tag.

Edit: LOL I love all the moving goalposts below. Sorry but I can play the games on PC which means it's not an exclusive anymore. Simple as that. Not only that, but Sony actually wants me to play those games on PC. From now on any playstation exclusive that's on ps now is considered a "console exclusive" much like the games Street Fighter 5 and No Mans Suck.

[ShadowWolf712]

They're still exclusive to Sony. You can't buy those games on the PC, they're not downloaded to your system. You're literally playing a PS3 by remote.

[Movefasta1993]

Windows 10 games are still exlclusive to microsoft lmao.@Shadow wolf.

[joeorc]

@sorane36m ago
[Yeah PS Now is on PC. A lot of those exclusives aren't exclusive to Sony anymore. They have joined the whole "console exclusive" tag]

No they still are exclusives..you need a Sony app..and you need to pay for the rental fee in order to play a game you cannot tweak the setting..and it's only streamed ..no local download , no Mods on the PC for those games..

No disc, no digital download..go right ahead be Monetized to spite Sony in some so called Fanboy war as a talking point..slow clap.

[jmc8888]

It's funny how many people are trying to say PS4/ PS4 Pro is better than PS Now because you get to own those things as opposed to streaming/renting.

But when it comes to UHD Blu ray, they all say streaming 4k is just as good, that they didn't need a UHD Blu ray.

Even though streaming 4k media looks worse than a 1080p blu ray. Up to 108mbps for 4k UHD Blu ray. 18mbps for 4k Netflix, and 25-35 mbps for 1080p Blu ray.

People need to get a grip on reality. You can't say it's ok to lose most of the detail in media watching, and it's a rental because it's on a PS4 Pro, but that's a reason why PSNow isn't a good alternative for PC because it's a rental and streaming.

Seriously people, double standard?

[kevnb]

Yet they won't allow fallout 4 mods.

[UltimateOne88]

PC is awesome with its freedom of hardware, free online, etc. BUT PS4 has some great exclusives that I can't play on PC which is why I have core i7/ Geforce 1070 combo and will be getting a PS4 Pro. I want the best versions of all games I play. This is the best combination FOR ME and MY TASTES.

[starchild]

I have basically the same PC and I own a PS4 too. I'll probably end up getting the Pro, but it feels like a lot of money just to enhance a handful of exclusives. It will likely end up being something I do anyway.

I think it's nice how you didn't try to force your preference down everyone else's throat.

[XtraTrstrL]

I made my build in April, 'n then switched the new GPU I got then for a 1070 when it released. If anything, all the talk of the Pro is what caused me to make the jump. I haven't touched my PS4 in months, and don't plan on renewing PS+, the subscription price increase just reassures me that I've made the right decision.

With so many PS4 console exclusives and all X1 exclusives coming to PC, it made the choice that much easier.

[mysteryraz11]

most pcs are underpowered, the master race is a minority most pcs wont be having gpus over 4 terraflops in them and defiantly not 6 like the scorpio will

[sorane]

There will be far more powerful PCs out there than ps pros and scorpios for a long long time. Cards that have more power than the pro have been on the market for 2 years already and they are cheap.

@Oneshotv2 below

Of course he can't he's just a bad troll. He had 1 bubble before they took the bubble system away for trolling.

[Ysmir6723]

When the 7970 ghz ed was close to 4tflop at 2011...you get the point.Also,nvidia tflops>>amd tflops.

[mysteryraz11]

haha no just no, most pcs are not using cards around 4 terraflops you pc guys are delusional just face the facts most pcs are underpowered

[ONESHOTV2]

mysteryraz11--- and can you show some stats for those numbers you are throwing around ?

[TheOptimist]

Most people are un-knowledgeable and would prefer the easy plug&play system. That's the reason many PC gamers get low tiered PCs and then become wannabe PCMR. Now that the technical knowledge of people is increasing, more people are coming to know that they can build a PC of good performance on a decent budget if they look in the right places.

[jmc8888]

Most? You do realize that PC's are a wide ranging system. When you say most, you are cherry picking your argument by lumping in all the office/school PC's that are crap.

That's what is funny. Because even crappy PC's want to have a few low end games. So Steam is on them. Then this leads to the argument that 'most' PC games aren't any good.

Just about every PC that is built by a person for themselves is at least at 4 TFlops. It's not hard. $339 could of bought you such a GPU in 2014.

There are people who bought modest i7 CPU's last decade who still have a CPU that outperforms what is in the PS4 Pro. So in reality you have people who invested in a PC in 2009, which added a GTX 970 in 2014, and they have already had a PS4 Pro power wise for years.

As I said before, power/heat wise, the GTX 1080 is more console ready than a RX480, which is competing with a GTX 1060.

Now Microsoft has plenty of time to alter specs, but if we take the AMD 6 TFlop report, than a GTX 1070 already is a good deal faster. 20-30 percent at stock speeds, but more like 40-50 percent when overclocked. If you have a decent PC built this decade (or even last decade), it'll cost you less than a PS4 Pro price to upgrade to Scorpio right now.

Now realize there is still a year+ to add to that power and/or reduce the price.

[mysteryraz11]

most pcs are super weak any weak old computer can run and sign up for steam, and no you cant pc gamers always lie but you know I am right you dont wanna accept the fact that your platform isnt all the great as you say it is

[starchild]

Haha you're so silly, mysteryaz11. You and masterfox should start an anti-PC club.

[Ysmir6723]

Not one of the >700.000.000 uses a tablet cpu.Even quad cores from 2008 destroy it,lol.

[Movefasta1993]

TLOU and UCseries are no longer exclusive.You don;t need a playstation platform to play those overrated games(uc1,2,3 not TLOU because it is badass).

[ShadowWolf712]

Actually, yes. Technically, you do. PS Now is literally playing the games on a PS3 and streaming it to your computer. lol

[Movefasta1993]

Ok but you do not need a ps3 or a ps4 to play thoses games right?MULTIPLAT.

[joeorc]

@Movefasta199326m ago
[TLOU and UCseries are no longer exclusive.You don;t need a playstation platform to play those overrated games(uc1,2,3 not TLOU because it is badass]

So those games are Such an overrated games catalogue , that many so called gamers who say those games are so overrated such as your self
..will just rent . what...?
Rent an overrated game?

LMAO

No they still are exclusives..you need a Sony app..and you need to pay for the rental fee in order to play a game you cannot tweak the setting..and it's only streamed ..no local download , no Mods on the PC for those games..

No disc, no digital download..go right ahead be Monetized to spite Sony in some so called Fanboy war as a talking point..slow clap.

@Movefasta199317m ago(Edited 16m ago)
[This isn't about SOny,this is about sony fanboys ignoring the fact that YOU DO NOT NEED A PS3 OR A PS4 TO PLAY UC1,2,3,GOW 1,2,3 AND TLOU lmaolmaolmao PC GAMING > PS4PRO AKA CAN'T DO 4K ON CURRENT GEN GAMES]

You are not playing those directly on the PC hardware , you are playing those though a App..without that App..no play..thus you are not playing those games on the PC you are playing those streamed through a Sony Platform..the PC is inconsequential... Really at that point..only the display is ...

Again:

@sorane17m ago
[No you're wrong they are definitely not exclusive anymore. I can play them on my PC with Sonys blessing. Love the Sony app comment. I guess Windows Store games are Xbox exclusives? Keep on moving your goalposts..]

How can you play those games without that App, it's streaming through the App. Not your PC..

It's the same thing as Remote Play the Application you are trying to Run is Streamed from a PS4 to-> another platform ...that's the entire point you cannot play those game's on a PSVita natively.. It needs the Servers from Sony or a local remote play sending the data to the PSVita...

No different than PlayStation Now in core basic principle as it is for streaming to a PC..in effect since those PS3 games are streamed from, A rack of Multiple custom PS3 servers it's the PS3's that are streaming it's games to your PC..so again

No they still are Exclusives..just you and other try as you might to change the meaning of Exclusives.

[Movefasta1993]

This isn't about SOny,this is about sony fanboys ignoring the fact that YOU DO NOT NEED A PS3 OR A PS4 TO PLAY UC1,2,3,GOW 1,2,3 AND TLOU lmaolmaolmao PC GAMING > PS4PRO AKA CAN'T DO 4K ON CURRENT GEN GAMES

[sorane]

No you're wrong they are definitely not exclusive anymore. I can play them on my PC with Sonys blessing. Love the Sony app comment. I guess Windows Store games are Xbox exclusives? Keep on moving your goalposts.

Edit for your edit:

Who cares about an app. That doesn't mean a single thing. I can't play Steam games without Steam installed so I guess Steam games aren't PC games? Fact is I can play what used to be playstation exclusives on my PC now which by the very act makes them not exclusive anymore. I don't need to own a single piece of Sony hardware to do it. If I was emulating them I'd say you maybe have a point, but Sony themselves have released them on PC and gets money for it. They are not exclusive anymore and that's a fact.

[DragonDDark]

Its just ps3 games. You wont get to play PS4 exclusives

[TheOptimist]

@DragonDark
If we cared about PS4 exclusives we would have bought the PS4 instead of a hefty rig.

[Babadook7]

He's not wrong. At the very least Pro delayed my gaming rig a year.

And who knows when PS4 ultra, or ps5 is coming? PC is great though. Just a bit pricey.

[ONESHOTV2]

Babadook7-- you mean you never had any interest in getting a rig in the first place becuase anyone with sense would know that you can buy both

[Babadook7]

I will have both. It delayed it though because it's not as important to me. I can play Mass Effect (for example) on my PS4 Pro, on my 4k. I'll likely buy a new rig next year as I said when I will "have both".

[ONESHOTV2]

Babadook7---"I will have both. It delayed it though because it's not as important to me. I can play Mass Effect (for example) on my PS4 Pro, on my 4k. I'll likely buy a new rig next year as I said when I will "have both".

yes you can play mass effect 4 on your ps4 but at what quality i game on both console and pc and i will pick my rig over a console when it comes to any third party game becuase i only game at the best settings my money can provide.

[jmc8888]

Did you ever think the cost of a PS4, PS4 Pro, then PS5 literally equal a PC which you can then upgrade to higher power levels for less price?

In 2009 you could have built a PC with a i7 920, and put in it say a AMD 5850 for $279. Your performance would of destroyed the 360/PS3.
in 2012 you could have kept that PC and paid $399 for a GTX 670, and already had better than PS4 power.
In 2014 you could have kept that PC and paid $339 for a GTX 970, and already had PS4 Pro power.
In 2016 you could have kept that PC and paid $379 for a GTX 1070, and already had more power than a Scorpio as rumored.

Maybe you would of skipped one of those, like go from the GTX 670 to the 1070 (skipping the 970). But that's the choice you get.

The point is, if you are going to do incremental upgrades, the argument that PC is more expensive falls to the wayside.

[starchild]

I agree. I'm still running an i7 2600k from 5 years ago and I'm honestly not feeling constrained by it at all. Even upgrading to the GTX 1070 I still don't feel it holding me back. Partially because I run my games at high resolutions (4k mostly).

The idea that PC gaming is way more expensive than console gaming is an outdated idea. It certainly doesn't have to be. In many cases I think console gaming is becoming more expensive than PC gaming at similar levels of graphical quality. Even more so when you factor in higher game prices and online gaming fees on consoles.

[Nightmar3Demom]

Gave me all of the incentive that I needed to build my own rig

[ONESHOTV2]

lol this is a joke i have moved away from console many years now and i'm not missing much if i wanted an exclusive i would just buy a used console becuase it would make no sense to pay full price when i'm only getting 2 games http://imgur.com/vRjQ1We --- http://imgur.com/G0SWUBS

[Dasteru]

You can stick an 8GB RX 470 into almost any 6yo mid range PC and have a system that is more powerful than the PS4 Pro, for $220. The Pro will not be preventing anything.

[Kokyu]

Only Sony excutives think the Pro is going to stop people. If they want it they'll get it.

[Dragonopolis]

Actually I feel its a smart move by Sony.... They offer the ability for developers to give the PS4 community the ability to game at a level closer to a PC than ever before without breaking the price barrier console gamers have set .... Sony is selling this upgrade this year starting November.... They are allowing people who have 4k tvs and HDR capability to utilize their TVs while also giving owners of 1080p tvs upgraded experiences as well.

I still think as far as consoles go, its still value gaming, and most value shoppers will still have 1080p tvs not 4k tvs because 1080p is still considered current consumer market and there is plenty of quality 1080p TVs out there. Although the industry is in the process of trying to change to 4k. I still believe a couple of years before 4k is main stream....

I still have a perfectly great 60" Plasma TV that rivals most tv's on the market today in contrast and color my friends and family still admire the TV when coming while watching football, movies, or playing games.....a great investment I made and not regretting the purchase. My Plasma TV is 1080p but I sit so far from my tv that I doubt 4k is going to make that much of a difference that I'm willing to put in hundreds or even thousands of dollars for a sharper picture..... Eventually I will have to buy a new TV, but I just don't feel the need too right now and there are probably thousands of gamers who feel the same way but for different reasons.

Better Lighting, AA, Physics, A.I., Color pallet, Frame Rate... would be more noticeable upgrade to my gaming experience than more pixels since I sit so far from my screen anyways....

Also its possible Sony could be drawn into a Price War with Microsoft..... Sony probably went this route and has room to drop the price of both PS4 Pro and Slim much easier than Microsoft with their console systems.... So from a business stand point if Scorpio is all what gamers expect then Sony can just compete using value as the main point and sell it for $300. Three years from now New gen hardware should be able to do 4k gaming at 60fps for a decent price point, however that will be only two years for Scorpio which puts Sony in a good position for PS5 and a bad position for MS when it has only been 2 years...

I don't See what the big issue is.... Get if you want it..... Don't get it and wait a Year for Scorpio or build/buy yourself a PC now that gives you what you want now.... It's just going to cost you more than $400 on PC.

[daynnight365]

Wow, idk what to say but wow.
I LOVE PS, LOVE IT. I owned every iteration + portables.
But I feel some type of way that 98% of the comments that cast sony in a negative light are always heavy on the downvotes.
If sony misses the mark on something I don't have a problem calling them out on it.
It's like ppl just can't stand to hear bad words being said about sony.
The Pro is okay, but it's not extraordinary

[Kazru]

I built a new computer after the Neo / Scorpio announcements. I was super excited to get back to where I started out as a kid. Everything was awesome until one thing happened, the PC community. It's everywhere in gaming, but in a matter of a few months I'm disappointed with the people. I've had the worst experience with negativity in the communities I've ever had as a gamer. Literally some of the snobbish and least helpful gamers I've met. Again, this is my personal experience, but a disappointing one nonetheless.

[starchild]

I have found quite the opposite. Most PC gamers are happy to help people get into PC gaming and they share their knowledge freely. I also find the online community on PC to be somewhat more mature and respectful on average than on consoles. I think that's because PC gamers tend to be a bit older on average.

[cd1]

You believe the PC community is more mature and respectful? I can only assume you havn't read the comments section on wccftech. Lonely angry people.

[brighthand]

It didn't work on me. I have a newly built PC that I sold my ps4 to help pay for. The only thing that still draws my I is a Crash Bandicoot remake, and whether or not GT Sports physics matches Assetto Corsa's.

[il-JumperMT]

I bought a 2k Euro PC last Janruary and I only use it for Overwatch. I play PS4 most of the time

[starchild]

Yeah, I know how you feel. I'm married to Jessica Alba but I don't sleep with her very often since I cheat on her with Rosie O’Donnell who gets most of my attention.

[Artemidorus]

I will be using my Playstation as a media player for Sky etc.

PS Plus cancled and will now consider a mid ranged PC and return to cheaper, better gaming.

[Says you]

face it buddy consoles have pretty much caught up to you're precious platform and it's going to get even worse for you PC gamers when PS5 comes out with better an more powerful specs and maybe get a upgrade just like they did with PS4

PS4 pro is cheaper an of course not to mention XBox One fans are comparing a next gen console that is not out yet to a console that's just and upgrade notice they don't compare XBox Scorpio & PS5 an People that thought they can play PS4 games on PC well you would had to have subscription in order to play in Playstation now for PC, it's not the same thing like the XBox One exclusives which are multiplatform and build from the ground up on PC for some or all an they'er
will be many PC games that were exclusives coming to the next Playstation

think PC exclusives are so great when a lot if not most of them are just average boring generic games an indie games and kick starters you don't pay for online please what about cable internet also western RPG's. not to mention steam got hacked so there goes the almighty PC being so god like, atleast game consoles like the Playstation brand have better games that actually matter unlike the no name exclusives that you PC elitist keep bragging about an let's not forget when it comes to multiplatform games comparison there's barely a major or colossal difference that you PC gamers keep lying about and or exaggerating one more thing PS4 pro is more powerful than the majority of PC's world wide an gaming PC's that are more powerful then it are a fraction.

[Str8Chaos74]

Except most of the games are still 1080P at 30FPS. Way to catch up. Was playing at those specs years ago lol. Since the PS4 came out you have Bloodborne, Uncharted 4, The Last of Us Remastered and... I'll enjoy the far superior versions of the Witcher 3, Dark Souls 3, Gears of War 4, Battlefield 1,Doom, Forza Horizon 3, Deus EX, Street Fighter 5, MGSV, ect. You guys act like exclusives are the only good games, and that there is just a landslide of PS4 ones that are must buys. Fact is there are not, and for the record I have a PS4. Barely touch it. Console players always rip the PC saying you have to constantly upgrade (not true), at least when you upgrade a PC all your games get better, not a small few. Keep on hating and missing out on the best platform for gaming.

[medman]

I play consoles primarily for the exclusives. It is never the hardware that sells me, it's the software, and that's true of consoles and the pc. If I buy the best parts available for my pc, if I don't get quality programs to run on it, what's the point? Those best pc parts will be top of the hill for maybe six to eight months, then there will be improvements and new chips and cards that up the ante. That's how the game works. But the pc ecosystem is what keeps me in the game. Even if the ps4 never changed, never upgraded, the entire gen as the ps3 didn't, there are many games for that system I want to play that I can't play anywhere else. I refuse to miss The Last of Us 2. The only way I'm not playing games like that is if I am no longer drawing breath. I have my pc for pc exclusives, and for many multiplats. I have my ps4 for Sony exclusives, and occasionally multiplats I want for it.

I fully intend to upgrade my pc next year, if/when Cannonlake cpu and Volta gpu make their debuts, but that is fully independent from consoles for me. I don't even look at them the same. I know I will probably pick up a pro, because I have an oled and I imagine the games will look very nice on it, particularly Horizon Zero Dawn, Persona 5, God of War, Detroit Become Human, etc. etc. etc. One has nothing to do with the other to me. If I had to choose just one, it would probably give me a stroke. I really wouldn't want to have to give up anything. Fortunately, I don't have to.

[s45gr32]

The PS4 Pro does not bring me back to consoles, due to the PS4 Pro was rushed out the door. Gamers like myself are not gonna go with a system that doesn't offer NATIVE 4K resolution, doesn't have UHD blu-ray disc; no trade in program has been announced worries me and the fact that 1080p 60 frames per second for all current and future PS4 games is not guarantee by Sony. The Scorpio sounds intriguing if it pulls off Native 4K 60 frames per second.

[DillyDilly]

With the mixed reaction of the Pro & Slim & who knows how people will react to Scorpio perhaps Nintendo should wait for the NX reveal until after Microsoft reveals Scorpio as it might work in their favor

[Hanilugtehul]

Playstation pro is cool its day1 for me:) its my opinion so haters please leave me alone.

[Germany7]

Preventing gamers moving to Pc...releases games for Pc. Sony is wasting money with so many console "exclusives", what a great way to support your fanbase /s. We never considered games like No Man‘s Sky as exclusive, Sony always tried to announce as exclusive just because its not coming for the Bone. Even Sony is helping Pc to grow now. Congratulations Sony, you are helping console gaming to disappear.

[--bienio--]

Go on Pc!

[Chaos_Order]

More people are turning to PC gaming as of late because consoles are losing the very things that made them appealing. Previously exclusive games are going to PC in droves, the dream of simple plug and play is gone, patches galore, split screen is dying out... Consoles are getting all of the negative aspects of PC gaming with barely any of the positives.The only thing going for them is viable physical games, but even then you're just installing the entire game anyway, and games are becoming so buggy pre-patch that once the servers go down, that disc may as well be a defunct download key.

One step forward and three steps back, this gen has been. Oh well, at least handheld gaming is as awesome as ever.

[DillyDilly]

Only upgrade Im doing is the XBOX Gears 2tb S. I might not even bother with anything else if A) Hard Drive dont match the S & B) Im simply not impressed like I was not with the Neo reveal

[chris235]

it sure will work on people with little to no money. i already got a highend pc at home, just because of VR and the occasional timed exclusives like xcom2 (my personal goty).

[quent]

As long gamers have a choice on which system they can play on, that's the most important thing and also don't just take everything these executives say as the final word, always look at the bigger picture and how your choices will affect you long term, big businesses capitalizes on impulse buyers and love to hype things up long before their even relevant, they invest big and choose their words very carefully in their marketing.

[blawren4]

Does anyone know the actual competitive landscape between PC and consoles. PC should be broken down into at least 3 categories, less powerful than average console, roughly equivalent to console, and significantly superior to average console. How many people own PCs with significant graphical power, and how many of those are for gaming, How big is the market, really, is it growing or retreating. Does anyone know the facts?

[Tzuno]

As a PC gamer i say this, i choose PC because i do more than gaming on a PC, a console is a limited hardware.

[mochachino]

I bought PS4 on launch day (even waited in line at Target) and have been a console gamer since NES but switched to primarily game on PC in November 2015. Only touched my PS4 for the first time in months to play Uncharted 4.

Main reason for the switch was annual P2P online and $95 game prices in Canada. I play online enough that I needed PSN Plus but not enough for it to be worth it year after year. I thought the $300 in savings on PSN Plus alone made building a decent gaming PC worth it.

PC is like a modular super console - 1080p/60FPS with mostly ultra settings is very easy to obtain and looks substantially better than PS4. 1440p/60-FPS at high is pretty easy to obtain on GPUs under $300. Youtube videos and comparison vids don't illustrate how much better PC games look on capable hardware.

Also, I have my rig connected to the TV and a monitor and am comfortable using both kb/m and an wiresless xb1 controller. I get the full comfy couch console experience using the wiresless xb1 controller on my 51 inch TV and surround sound and the the precision of kb/m and greater immersion using my v-moda m100's a foot a away from a nice 144hz 27 inch monitor. And free online. And the ability to shop at any store in the world where they have deals a plenty. Only problem is that I now have too many games. Right now my favourite online shooter is Counterstrike and it cost me 8 dollars and runs well over 144 FPS.

Best gaming decision I've ever made.