It's Now Clear Why Sony Didn't Debut PS4 Pro At E3

One of the great mysteries of E3 this year was Sony’s refusal to show off the console everyone knew existed, PS4 Neo, during the biggest games show of the year. Ahead of their press event, Sony downplayed the new system, saying it wouldn’t be shown until later. During the event, Sony put on a great show, but ended on a very clear anti-climax, showing off footage from Days Gone, a new zombie game that had already debuted earlier in the night, as their big finale. It seemed like a clear-cut case of the Neo being ripped out of that final slot, and shelved for another day.

[Genuine-User]

It seems the contributor didn't care to read the article before posting it on N4G. There's a lot of misinformation and rhetoric.

"many wondered why this reveal needed its own event at all, given that not all that much was shown."

Not all the much was shown, except a 30 minute presentation discussing and showcasing the benefits of HDR, 4K reconstruction, 1080p enhancements, PSVR enhancements, Horizon And Mass a Effect PS4 Pro demonstration, PlayStation Pro hardware, price and release date.

"Microsoft was smart because they debuted the Scorpio mostly by talking about it and throwing out specs."

Mostly by talking about it? That was literally it.
Smart? Desperate would be more fitting.

"They did not show off a ton of footage from games running on Scorpio"

They showed absolutely nothing. No hardware concept, no feature list and not a single graphical demonstration.

"It’s been a few days and I’m still trying to wrap my head around the target audience for the product."

It's not rocket science. Consumers that want a cost efficient console capable of resolutions upto 4K, HDR, supersampling, higher framerates and enhanced graphics in the console space are the target audience.

[Neonridr]

lol.. they mentioned the code name and said 6TF and 4K gaming. That is it, we know nothing else.

Funny how apparently that constitutes MS "talking about it".

Author has a strange perception on reality.

[Angeljuice]

Well, they made sure it was out in the public domain (it just doesn't exist yet).

It seems obvious it was done to try and steal thunder from Sony's reveal (why else would you release details of something that doesn't exist yet).

They should have pandered to their crowd a little more though, perhaps by releasing the following statement;

" It will have 6tf and a secret second GPU with a DX12 cloud generator and all the resources will be fully tiled into a remodelled wetroom of resources"

[sammarshall102]

It was a very smart move by Microsoft because it started even more speculation and we know MS has two advantages already

1. More power
2. An UHD

@Doabarrelroll power matters when it is significant and not a extra blade of grass or two

@Christopher they hardly showed any improvements over what we have now so no I don't agree. The games looked mostly the same

And nothing's coming right after Scorpio that's just wishful thinking Sony won't release a new console 2 years after the Pro

[Ju]

But it is just an "extra blade" of grass vs. the PS4Pro ...ooops...it "will be". 1 Year, 33%. But 300% vs. the XB1S...which is it now?

[Christopher]

***power matters when it is significant and not a extra blade of grass or two***

Then you admit the PS4 Pro is significant, then? And, that it's releasing a year ahead of Scorpio? And that it's priced at $399 w/1TB HDD?

No matter how you look at it, comparing what is now with what is to come a year from now is silly because as soon as that's here, you can then just say what will come in the future as well. You're playing a stupid 'wait until something better that fits my bias comes along' game. Look at the industry, look at how both are competing openly for the market, and be happy that is happening. Don't try and 'win' some stupid stuff by adjusting the goal posts when you need, be aware of the industry.

And this isn't just at @sammarshall102. This is at almost everyone here.

[donthate]

Chris:

"No matter how you look at it, comparing what is now with what is to come a year from now is silly because as soon as that's here, you can then just say what will come in the future as well."

Tell that to the consumer. Because, to them it isn't real until a company announces it. Are you honestly thinking consumers aren't considering the impending release of Scorpio, while deciding if they are going to get PS4 Pro now?

[Kryptix]

Well said Christopher, that's that logic I enjoy reading the most, comments like that.

I brought that viewpoint up months ago with the Scorpio's 6TF reveal months back and the rumored Neo specs, but was being disagreed by fanboys. I said that, comparing something that is one year away, to something that is here (well, in a few months, but regardless) is foolish. If the Neo comes out with the weaker specs, but year earlier, then that would also mean that the PS5 would also come out earlier with a wider gap in power. With that in mind, Scorpio's and PS5's release gap wouldn't be very distant so why are these dude's fantasizing not acknowledging that there will always be something more powerful no matter what?

Made me realize more that this whole power thing is just going to be a looping, pointless argument, that what matters most is in the support these consoles get. And I do say that I'm a hypocrite for saying this, everyone is. I just remembered with this whole power thing is... how Sony dominated with the PS2 because of the games it had, and they should, hopefully this is when it starts happening...incorporate more software support into the Playstation to compensate for the power gaps. I'm sure they aren't really sweating it cause the pricing is incredible, but when the Scorpio comes out, they're going to need a little bit more exclusives because we know that 3rd party games will run and look better on Scorpio. To combat that, they need to really punch the message and say, well...here we have a multitude of top quality games you can only play on our system. Wouldn't it be funny if they were on stage at 2017's E3 and say, "sorry, I was playing Gears of War 4 on my 7TF AMD powered PC, but see here, I have Horizon on the PS4 Pro. Only way you can really play these quality games, is on the PlayStation, for a very affordable price." They need to come out saying something so out of nowhere that relates to exclusives being an important factor at purchasing their console. Pricing is also a thing, these fanboys tend to forget that, but imagine the s***storm that would happen if MS sold the Scorpio for $400 and some came out of their own pocket? Be like how Sony did it with the PS3 to secure a lot of market share to keep the brand as revelant as it is today.

[Angeljuice]

@Sam

"@Doabarrelroll power matters when it is significant and not a extra blade of grass or two "

Well the power differences between the two is 40% (exactly the same), so if your assessment is correct, you are only going to get an extra blade of UHD grass or two.

[mark_parch]

microsoft didn't announce the scorpio out of desperation lol. they announced it to avoid backlash as they also announced the xbox one s at the same event and some people would probably be pretty pissed if they spend their hard earned cash on one console only for another to come out 1 year later. you could even say microsoft were being consumer friendly. they were certainly being very transparent and clear about what they are doing over the next year

[Ju]

They announced it because Sony was cooking up something. Imagine, MS would have announced the XB1S only and Sony would have come out full swinging with a live PS4Pro at the show. It would have been game over for the XB1S. MS knew this quite well.

Of course they took advantage of being first and steeling Sony's thunder. And it worked...for a short amount of time. But...history shows, that announcing a product too early bites you in the long run.

For Sony this wasn't ideal, but it was quite a good strategy. Not only are they bringing a new console, but also PSVR - which had no competition at E3. E3 was there to promote PSVR, looking at the news around now, it worked: PS4Pro - no matter if good or bad is in the headlines for days.

[Ju]

Look at your agree to disagree ratio...Most people are very verbal. But looks like a lot of people aren't getting fooled by MS PR rhetoric. I fully agree with you. It's OK to get excited about a product nobody saw, but it is wrong to like a product we can actually hold in our hands in about two months? Internet logic at play here.

[starchild]

Neither console has been released yet. We're basically taking them at their word. But it's not like these companies haven't released consoles before. We have no reason to doubt either one. It's absurd that one-sided fanboys want to apply different standards to each company.

[Ju]

You must be living in a time warp. We clearly have seen one machine in its physical appearance and with actual game play and a firm release date and a price version what? A name: "Project Scorpio" (it's not even a name, it's a "Project") and "6TF". Ah, and 12GB RAM. Yes. That's about it. Nothing else. Zero, nada, nilch. And you seriously say this is the same thing??? This is why this is so screwed up. Everybody makes up their own reality lately.

[butchertroll]

How some people are so dumb? PS4 Pro didn't had debut at E3 because it wasn't ready yet, not because Scorpio was there. Why Sony had their own event a week ago instead, hm? And also, without a shame they gave as clear specs and features and games even if Scorpio is announced at E3.

This article is pure shit.

Quote from article :

When Sony learned that Microsoft was planning to show off the Scorpio

.......

Did somebody gave Sony a MS schedule for E3 conference? How Sony could possibly know that Scorpio would be announced at E3. LOL

[vegasgamerdawg]

I love how you criticize for rhetoric and misinformation and turn around with rhetoric, speculation and misinformation of your own....lmao. Just come out of the closet, you're a fanBOY to the bone. You must be a child, no adult would ever write this ever.

[andrewsquall]

People don't realise that Microsoft made a massive blunder though. The same people are screaming praise at Microsoft for being "honest" about Scorpio. The same people are going insane over Scorpio's spec. The same people are shouting from the rooftops that Microsoft have chose to make a next gen console instead.

And I will say it again. How can this console achieve true greatness when the games still have to be made on the console that is now 1/3 the power of PS4 Pro, the ddr3 original Xbone (that Microsoft announced themselves at E3 2016? Microsoft are going to have to do one of their infamous 180s on this and leave out the original console to make the Scorpio truly shine. Oh, and then we can have the same people praising them for doing just that AND the same people that also praised them for being "honest" at E3 this year. Keep an eye on all the hypocrisy over the next 15 months.

[starchild]

You forget, 95% of games are multiplatform and they release on XB1, PS4 and PC, but just because they run on XB1 doesn't mean they don't look and run way better on PC. How is this any different? Games are scalable.

Besides, if the XB1 held back Scorpio then it would clearly be holding back PS4 Pro, because, again, most games are multiplatform and have to scale between platforms with wildly different levels of performance.

With high end PCs, PS4 Pro and Scorpio all on the market devs will have the incentive to push greater levels of graphical quality, which will benefit all three platforms to the degree they are capable of.

[Vasto]

The salt

[gums007]

First off I'm not a fanboy of either console. I both own a ps4, xbox one and gaming pc. I simply am a fan in gaming in general. I also cannot stand fanboys of either system because it's just childish and ignorant. I really love when they squirm in their chairs when people start to see a power shift in one direction or another. Genuine User is a perfect example of this scenario. It's really fun to hear him shake in his boots right now. :) :) :)

[game4funz]

HDR, 4k reconstruction (in other words a form of upscaling like in quantum break), 1080p enhancements, psvr enhancements?

Okay HDR was shown by Xbox... So no need to really go into it too much. The difference here being that when MS first mentioned it no one gave it much that and many, here specifically, discredited as something not worth mentioning. Now of course it's one of the greatest things.

4k reconstruction is simply a form of upscaling like in quantum break... Sure that game did it from 720p images to 1080p but it's the same thing.

1080p has been around a while.
Psvr was already announced and showcased. And all the games shown were already showcased before.

So in other words... Some of this was meant for e3.... They had to reschedule and set a date for a separate meeting because the Scorpio news would've shadowed ps pro.

Not sure what is so desperate about MS announcing a console a year before release... It's actually good for gamers. Now those that want to wait for it can do so... And those that don't want to wait at least know there's a new one coming.

The Playstation however... Sucks for anyone who bought a Playstation for power and now this sudden meeting makes their purchase probably feel like a mistake... In the sense that they should've waited.

Wish Sony had had an actual conference and had talked about their plans. Instead of showing trailers which can be shown at any other point. Not that I disliked the trailers at all though.

@Goldby
wow you say, and I apologize in advance.
":yes it has 4k reconstruction/upscaling. the main difference is with the extra power its not upscaling a 720-900p image to 4k, its native at 1440p and upscales from there to 4k."

and then you go on to say

"yes 1080p has been a while, and Ms needs a new console to achieve it, and instead of promsing every game running a minimum of 1080p 60fps. they decide to tell everyone its a true 4k machine becuase. Graphics!"

The hypocrisy of those two comments together is very funny. If your not sure what I mean by hypocrisy just look to the end of the second comment and then reference your feelings regarding the first comment lol

[Goldby]

HDR is being praised right now by playstation fans because we dont have to buy a whole new console to get it. free firmware update on Thursday for every one of the 40Mill+ players on playstation.

yes it has 4k reconstruction/upscaling. the main difference is with the extra power its not upscaling a 720-900p image to 4k, its native at 1440p and upscales from there to 4k.

yes 1080p has been a while, and Ms needs a new console to achieve it, and instead of promsing every game running a minimum of 1080p 60fps. they decide to tell everyone its a true 4k machine becuase. Graphics!

In the end that one statement of true 4k is goign to be the pullet they put in the own foot. yes there will be some, the odd 4k game available, but their will be at 30fps.

[ShadowWolf712]

This contributor's sole contributions are negative Pro articles. Not surprising.

[Nyxus]

Adam Boyes already said the E3 show wasn't changed last minute. https://twitter.com/amboyes...

[darthv72]

Not that you are wrong but people can say anything they want on twitter. It isnt like a court of law where you get punished for perjury.

[game4funz]

Ummm we'll see... I do think people can actually get punished for what they say in these media sites.... It's already happened.

[Kerppamaister]

Right, someone on the internet said something so it must be true. Come on.

[Nyxus]

This happens to be someone who actually knows this and doesn't have to assume.

If we are going down that road, we can just stop believing anything any company representative says.

[Kerppamaister]

He might know alot but that wasn't my point

[Christopher]

We shouldn't believe the person in the industry versus random guy on N4G who claims otherwise? What type of logic is this?

[Kerppamaister]

He propably knows a hell of a lot more than me. But again, just because somebody post something on TWITTER doesn't mean we should take their word for it. Geezus and Moses get a life! I'm not trying to tell you guys anything other than not to believe PR crap on Twitter. That should be common sense.

@Nyxus exactly, any PR person tweeting something should be taken with about a pound of salt. If it were a proper press release with everything, now that'd be a different story.

[BattleAxe]

@ Nyxus

It's called 'saving face'. Do you really think they would admit to changing their show at the last minute? If they had of admitted that, they would have looked weak, but people could see what happened, and they ended up looking weak anyway. After Microsoft announced the 6Tflop spec, Sony did not want that comparison being made with PS4 Pro, because their new console would look like it was obsolete before it even launched.

[Nyxus]

If that was the case, they wouldn't answer that question to begin with, or try to dodge the question by giving a vague answer.

@ BattleAxe: And I don't have a single reason to believe in this theory, about the conference being changed at the last minute due to the Scorpio reveal. Is there even one piece of evidence for that?

[BattleAxe]

@ Nyxus

You're naïve if you believe they would actually tell you the truth about the decisions that happen behind the scene, especially if it could make them look bad. That's the problem with some of you people, you believe everything they tell you.

[darthv72]

I still believe they changed their strategy with the ps4 camera initially. Especially after they designed the ui to work with it and the controllers and social features tailored for it.

If sony can take the stage after sega announced their saturn at $399 and simply say $299 they can certainly omit certain things last minute. Or at least have a backup plan if they see the other guy doing something that competes with their initial plan.

Its called strategy.

[Angeljuice]

@Battleaxe

How is it obsolete? It will be unchallenged for power for at least a year (unless Scorpio has trouble with yields leading to delays).

The Scorpio is a pipe dream, It doesn't exist in the real world so it can't make anything obsolete.

I just wrote down some specs on a piece of paper that are 40% more powerful than Scorpio, I'm sorry but according to you, the Scorpio is now obsolete.

Sorry for destroying Microsofts future.

[Goldby]

@Battleaxe
"You're naïve if you believe they would actually tell you the truth about the decisions that happen behind the scene, especially if it could make them look bad. That's the problem with some of you people, you believe everything they tell you."

right back at ya bud. we have an actual console we ahve seen and know the specs for it. you have a pipedream with a magical 6tf number associated with it.

guess what, word from the bird on the corner of the street was he heard from the squairell on the power line that Sony will ahve a 10tf by 2017

/s funny part is, my comment was probably more sane that yours

[joeorc]

Never mind the fact that all HDMi 1.4 PS4's being able to be updated to now HDR compliancy would have not been used at that show to damper the excitement of the Xbox one S? And Sony did not do so as such would have been a real blunting than for the unveiling of the S would it not?

Now all Xbox one's that have been sold sofar did not have BD-UHD or HDR..than but sold rather well as it was for how the xbox 360 sold in its same cycle at the time..right?

But let's look at it now in 2016 all current PS4 system will now be HDR compliant with only the Xbox one S..is the only Xbox one that is HDR compliant..Sony How ever made sure all PS4's at launch was already on a hardware level for HDR compliancy, so really is or Was BD-UHD that important when the Xbox one and the PS4 launched without BD-UHD in the 1st place?

We are not even into the 4th full year yet and yet the Original PS4 did infact launch with HDR hardware ready to support HDR functionality when it was eventually finalized even back 4 years ago..how about the original Xbox one?

You could say but the Xbox one launched with backwards compatibility hardware support while the PS4 did not..and correct there you go both offering Somthing that was ready installed that the other system did not have.

But here is also something to look at which both are looking at the future support..Microsoft backwards compatibility, while Sony was looking at all its Software being HDR compliant in the future.. Both concentrate it's investment into the future , but different in how they spent their investments for right now.

*4 All PS4 will support HDR by the upcoming system software update.

[endi123]

HDR is hdmi 2.0 native while ps4 uses some emulation it's going to be HDR but not as good as on 2.0
And please don't try anything stupid just google it if u don't believe me

[Aenea]

'emulation'? Worked on the firmware update and/or the HDMI controller inside the PS4 huh?

[Stapleface]

IDK why you got downvoted. 1.4 can't do hdr according to every 4k tv review I've ever read. Plus there isn't a single 1080p tv with hdr. Not sure what this is actually going to mean for current ps4 owners.

[joeorc]

@endi12323m ago
[HDR is hdmi 2.0 native while ps4 uses some emulation it's going to be HDR but not as good as on 2.0
And please don't try anything stupid just google it if u don't believe me]

This is not emulation, the actual port programmable chip was there the whole freaking time..that's already been officially disclosed...!

*4 All PS4 will support HDR by the upcoming system software update.

[darthv72]

@joe, so the PS4 has some secret sauce as well...? you mean the same programable HDMI controller that is in the XB1? Aside from the use of GDDR memory and a slightly different GPU the board components of the PS4 and XB1 are pretty much the same.

The layout is different but overall they are more alike than different. Both the Ps4 and XB1 could do 4k using their HDMI 1.4a but at restricted abilities which is why HDMI 2.0 is the way to go for full 4k and HDR support. You get that in both the XB1S and PS4Pro.

[IceKoldKilla]

I couldn't finish reading your comment. Use autocorrect if you don't wanna learn proper English.

[81BX]

I agree mostly with the article. Sony's E3 seemed like they took something out. 10 minutes for music at the beginning??? I strongly disagree with the writer questioning the need for ps4 pro. Why not??? Give us options

[Christopher]

Umm... the music at the beginning was not lengthened or changed at all. In fact, the fact that the orchestra played throughout the show where there was music shows how much that was pre-planned. And, the music at the beginning I can guarantee wasn't changed. It was a norse burial theme to intorduce God of War.

[81BX]

I didnt say it was lengthened. Maybe added to fill in a gap. No one will really know in the end but sony

[Christopher]

Again, it wasn't added in. The whole point of it was to introduce God of War. It's silly to think they threw that in last minute. Extremely silly. It's how I knew from the first few seconds of what they were playing that the first game to be shown would be set in a Norse one and that it likely was God of War.

@below: feeling confident to speculate still doesn't make fact, which is how you represent this info most of the time. But, hey, don't let them saying they wouldn't have anything on neo at the conference more than a week beforehand affect that at all. I agree it felt odd at the end, but I'm not going to speculate just to create a bias viewpoint on who did what when when it doesn't matter. Especially not now.

[donthate]

Actually, typically an E3 show is about 90 minutes, but Sony finished around 75 mins, leaving 15 mins on the table.

I feel confident in speculating that those 15 mins was for PS4 Pro, and then they planned another event to show the games. When, Sony caught wind of MS plans they had to cancel their own event leaving 15 mins on the table.

[Goldby]

@Donthate

Or... and this may be a long shot... they finished what they wanted to show.

Just becuase you are given 90 minutes for a presentation or 3 hours for an exam doesn't mean you have to use it.

heck, if ms announced the scorpio then and there, with release for it later that week. they could have shown the video. said its coming, dropped the mic and left. would that mean they decided to adjust there presentation becyase of all the games sony showed? no. each company is operating on their own. Ms is reacting to the consumers and industry, whcih can be good for consumers, but bad for business. Sony is being proactive about this entire gen

[TKCMuzzer]

Lol, what? People make some crap up on here.

[OB1Biker]

And the legend continues...sung from story teller to another story teller...
Sequel of Drm and always on line pulled back from E3 2013 at last minute

[buttcheeks]

Are people really this dumb they already said they wanted to announce tech like apple there was no hardware talk removed from E3 that conference was 100℅ about games and yet you morons believe that were going to end it with the pro announcement .

[Silly gameAr]

Keep trying blogs. You might keep one or two people from getting the Pro, but people with common sense can see through the BS, which will be the majority of gamers around the world. Best of luck doom and gloomers.

[Stapleface]

So, for current ps4 owners like myself,I'd like to hear PS explain hdr on hdmi 1.4, and how it's possible on ps4 but nothing else. Also, hdr isn't going to mean shit if you don't have a 4k hdr tv, in which case you would want the pro anyway, I would think. As no 1080p sets currently support it.

[joeorc]

[Stapleface7m ago
So, for current ps4 owners like myself,I'd like to hear PS explain hdr on hdmi 1.4, and how it's possible on ps4 but nothing else. Also, hdr isn't going to mean shit if you don't have a 4k hdr tv, in which case you would want the pro anyway, I would think. As no 1080p sets currently support it]

http://www.prnewswire.com/n...

Now if the only thing updated between that of which is the GPU..the RAM is the same , the same processor..you think the PS4's HDMi port was changed too?

Think about it?

An HDMi 1.4 out going port..IE : the connection port and a HDMi 2.0 + connection port is the exact same port..IE: you can take a HDMi 1.4 cable and use it in a HDMi 2.0 connectors!

Thus do you know what makes them different in decoding on the back end?
That's right the chip powering it..the PS3 had such a chip..that's how it was able to go from 1.2 to 1.3 HDMi with 3D support!

The chip was programmable with the ability to update..Sony's 4k TV's from 2013 was updated with just a digital download update ...when did HDMi 2.0a standards get finalized?

The chipset needed for HDMi 2.0a compliancy was there from the start..Sony waited until the finalization was finished.

And even if you do not have a 4K TV, HDR does infact help with stability and can help with frame rates. You just would not be able to see the added color depth or lighting.HDR could add Without a 4K display or a display that supports HDR added visual parts. Does not mean the other parts of HDR are not there providing functionality.

*4 All PS4 will support HDR by the upcoming system software update.

Remember with HDMi

Is hdmi video only or is there audio too? Does audio need to be connected seperately?

Remember HDMi can carry sound and video signal's. Though the same port!

https://www.ramelectronics....

[nitus10]

You are right with regard to HDR since that is a feature of 4K TV's.

Sony will provide a firmware release to allow HDR (it will be HDR10 not Dolby Video HDR) on all PS4's coupled with changing the HDMI 1.4 port to HDMI 2.0. See the following http://arstechnica.com/gami... . Ars Technica is a technical web site and the article may be a bit technical for some although the author has tried to keep it simple.

If you do have a PS4 and 4K TV then you can output 4K content to your TV which is a great value add. For those people that don't have a 4K HDR10 compliant TV then nothing has changed although the feature will work if you purchase one at a later date.

[joeorc]

@nitus10

Thank you ...!

And as such many are still doubting what I am saying here is what many seem to think happens..that Some how some way Sony is using the software solution...

[Update: Readers have pointed out that Dolby Vision's HDMI controller requirement is lower than I originally reported. As Yoeri Geutskens points out, "Knowing that previous versions of HDMI would not pass the Dolby Vision dynamic metadata, Dolby developed a way to carry this dynamic metadata across HDMI interfaces as far back as v1.4b." That would still require a firmware update for PS4 compatibility, though not a significant boost in bandwidth requirements. However, HDR-10 is tied to the HDMI 2.0a standard.)]

Well in freaking Q&A

The a dolby Solution is not in the works , so that just leaves only the

..yup you guessed it the HDR-10 compliancy
.which does in fact require HDMi 2.0a

So what was Sony's answer to the Q&A

*4 All PS4 will support HDR by the upcoming system software update

&

Q: Will PS4 Pro include support for Dolby Vision HDR?

A) There are currently no plans to support Dolby Vision.

[_LarZen_]

I have a 1080p TV and I will get a PS4Pro for the boost in several games. But also because I want a 4K TV and the PS4Pro is most defiantly make me buy one sooner then planed.

[nitus10]

Actually, if you are more than just a casual gamer and don't wish to conflict with other members of your household you may find that a 4K monitor for your desk (assuming you have one) is a very cost effective alternative.

Choosing a 4K monitor is fairly straight forward than choosing one for your living room and there are plenty of sites that can help in this regard although I will advise "Beware of the hype".

What is important is 1) choosing the screen size that is comfortable for you which would be between 27" to 32". 2) Make sure it supports HDR10 and possibly Dolby Video HDR as well. 3) Make sure the monitor has at least one HDMI port (two or more is better) that supports HDMI 2.0 or greater (it should but check). 4) Not many people think of this but you want a monitor for gaming so it should have a refresh rate (in Hertz) from 90Hz upwards (the higher the better). 5) Low latency is essential when playing a game using HDR (check this on the internet for more info).

An additional feature may be a curved screen. This is well worth checking out since you can sit closer and get a more immersive view however you must try it first since you may not like it.

A feature which can really be useful is an optical-out connector on the back of your monitor although you will need an amplifier that has optical-in. A normal 3.5mm jack is usually quite adequate even for a 5.1 sound system. I have usually found the speakers on most monitors is just ok at best so I would recommend a reasonable sound system as well. I would recommend the Logitech THX Z906 5.1 amplifier and speakers which you could get for around $340 USD. Turn the volume up and you definitely will have the neighbours complaining. Obviously this will be your choice.

The last item will be cost and remember the larger the screen the greater the cost but remember it may be worth spending an additional $100 if has all the requirements.

Having an extra couple of HDMI ports will allow you to connect your PC (assuming it has a HDMI port) to it although most 4K monitors do support other PC oriented ports, however you may find that you may have instability issues when switching back to your PC. I have personally found that the best solution is to use HDM ports for both your PC and your PS4.

[_LarZen_]

I've actually been considering this since I also have a nice gaming PC. But so far I cant find any 4K gaming monitors that has HDR? I'm reading a little that its coming and soon.

But so far it's litt news and info around this... and that takes me to something I've been wondering for a while. I have the GTX1080 and I recall it saying it supports HDR. But are games supporting HDR on PC as of now?

[joeorc]

@nitus10

Great post! Both thumbs up..very informative..that will hopefully help people asking about such on what to look for with such both the Xbox one S and Ps4 Pro both Having HDR along with Xbox Scorpio next year and some may want to use PC's like you stated.

I may want to add, make sure the HDMi cable is also itself HDMi 2.0+ compliant..the ports and many cables would have a blue color coding especially the TV ports to separate the two types. Or listed on the package. That way the right speed can take better use of the advantages in HDMi 2.0

[Tru_Blu]

I'd also like to add nitus10 that with a mounting arm, I got mine off amazon, you can make your monitor movable in mid air. I got mine set up next to a recliner so I can sit back and pull the screen right up to my face and adjust the distance till it's perfect. You want to talk about gaming in comfort lol

[jznrpg]

Not a bad idea, but the TVs are getting cheap too. 800-900 you can get a nice 60" HDR tv if you look for some good deals. Consider I bought my first plasma for 9k its cheap imo.

[Dude Dutch]

Attaboy..

[Ju]

MS home turf is working. Their PR department plays the media in a home game. They know how to do it. 90% of XB1S advertising hides the fact, that it is still the same console which can't play 1080p games, instead it's plastered with "4K" and "UHD" which 90% of those customers don't have any use for - a $299 console doesn't sell to high end customers. No mention, that HDR is basically useless to 90% of their customer base as well. Then they announce a vaporware product just to be in the news long enough to steel the competitions thunder. I have to give them that, it works. XB1S outsold the PS4. Rightly so. I think it is the better product for that price at that very moment. I also think it will prevail against the $299 PS4 Slim. The messaging all of a sudden sells the X1S with "more power" - which isn't true, either, but I think, in all honesty, the PS4 Slim should undercut this price at $279 (barely below the X1S). However, this would probably cannibalize Pro sales also. Watching Leedbetter's Slim analysis, however, almost makes one buy this thing. It's so much quieter and uses so much less power than the existing PS4...anyway.

Anyway, I think this is a short lived victory. It's built on sand. Sooner or later the comparison videos will show up. The XB1S will - due to the lack of any competing product on the market - get destroyed by DF analysis videos by the PS4Pro. This will happen before end of the for the biggest holiday season this year. It will be only two month and Sony should possible try to push those "tests" out as fast as possible otherwise MS will throw everything they can at advertising. This is the last stance for the XB1 for a whole year to be successful. After December there will be a big drought. After people will get fooled into the XB1S the long wait for the Scorpio will start, I strongly believe, the whole XB1 business will tank after that and MSs speculation is, they will probably sell enough this holiday season to get though it.

Meanwhile, Sony will probably shift over to PS4Pro. I think it will sell well. It will sell well the whole year the more we will actually see how games will actually look and play. BF on 1440p @ 60fps (rock solid) vs. 720p on the Slim. Well, CoD or Titanfall, the same (possibly 1800p at least). Yea, this news will spread sooner or later. PS4 Pro will be the preferred low latency console for MP games as soon as November. That said, I think the Slim sales will tank as well. At $299 it is too expensive competing with a just $100 more expense vastly superior machine, and a on par XB1S. At the same time, the market will be flooded with $200 or less second hand PS4s. Maybe Sony does not want to compete with that. Could be. They will shift their focus to the Pro. It's a shame, really. Because this little new gadget is really well built, it seems. Maybe sooner or later they will sell of overstock for $249. Which I fully expect to happen. Interesting times. MS ramping up what they do best - and have been building their company on: Fake PR messaging...And Sony being a bit to humble and not aggressive enough to sell their products. But eventually, games will speak for themselves.

[opinionated]

No, it's not clear. If they announced it at e3 they wouldn't have any resistance. "Hey we're putting out a ps4 that can match and surpass the Xbox slim. We're also using our slim as a base model (which destroys the Xbox OG in value). The halo Xbox slim is 299 though, the same as the ps4 slim. Plus they add a UHD bluray which beefs the value.

They are battling for sure but I hope Microsoft can keep its momentum. Even when the One sales "sucked" they were still doing better than any other generation including the 360 which was awesome. But to actually match the monthly sales of the ps4 is good forward progress. And before someone says "that's only US sales", the US market is like 25 billion dollars. It would take all of you shit countries put together to even come close. The only ones close are China and Japan and neither of them fuck with consoles really.

[donthate]

I like the way you put it. The short story is that Sony F'ed up big time, by leaving out UHD Blu-Ray support. They then further F'ed it up by making the PS4 Slim devoid of 4K feature to justify the PS4 Pointless. After all, how can they charge a $100 more if all it does is have a slight bump in performance so Sony didn't bother upgrading the PS4 Sandwich at all so they can sell you a PS4 Pointless as a 4K device, that aheeem is missing UHD Blu-Ray.

[TKCMuzzer]

How many Xbox One fans upgraded to Xbox One S and don't own a 4K TV? I imagine quite a few, I bet you salute that as a great decision though, thats even more pointless with the so called saviour of Xbox only 12 months away.

The fact you agree with him shows your true colours, both of your comments reek of fanboyism, blind to what gaming is about, it's all about 'who's is biggest'. You even try to be funny but can't even get that right.

The amount of poorly written articles this week has been embarrassing, mostly written by people who haven't even seen the console running (the best ones have been from hands on). The only thing worse than these poorly written articles is how immature the comments sections have been.

No wonder the gaming industry still struggles to be taken seriously.

[Death]

If you don't own a 4K UHDTV, both the Xbox One S and PS4 Pro are pretty pointless. The benefits of both can only be seen on a display that is optimized for them. If 4K owners are looking for a good alternative to a standalone player, the Xbox One S is a great choice. If you are a gamer looking to upgrade to 4K and don't care about playing UHDBR, then the Pro is an excellent option. Just be sure you get a display that supports HDR and has low latency.

I think the bigger variable is PSVR with a Pro, but Sony didn't really explain the benefits. Right now we are seeing framerates locked between PS4 and Pro, hopefully that doesn't extend to PSVR like it does to multiplayer.

All countries are valued by both Microsoft and Sony, but Sony's worldwide presence gives them a huge edge over Microsoft. I believe that is where the Play Anywhere and PC support come in. The countries that don't care for Xbox do care for PC. If they can have access to Xbox games it is a win-win for everyone.

[TKCMuzzer]

We may be 'Shit' countries but I can bet your arrogant ass Microsoft would love the sales in these countries. Microsoft are welcome to gamers like you.

[opinionated]

My post reeks of fanboyism how? Piss off buddy lol. The only fanboy is you getting mad at nothing. I said nothing about a "savior", that's all in the argument in your delusional head. Your knee jerk fall back Sony talking points.

I'm a fan of gaming in general, I hold no allegiance to one platform or another (unlike you). I know exactly what gaming is about. You loathe hearing about Xbox and you actually try to blame me and don't hate for your hatred of Xbox lmao. Save your accusations, it's laughably hypocritical. I'm not new to the Sony fanatic double standard on this site though so I'll let it slide, cheers pal.

[donthate]

Two words, "don't hate"!

<3 XO XO

[Anungunrama]

Equivalent PC build to match pro would be £500/$800, Xbox currently has a higher clock speed than ps4 1.75 v 1.6 ! Is Xbox one better graphically? No it isn't ! Xbox Scorpio is going to be more powerful for sure but is currently only on paper ! No demos ! No set spec ! Nothing ! It's what you do with the hardware that counts. Let's say it has 12gbr and its gddr5 with a 6 tflp capable gpu ? Even at crazy wholesale bulk discount to Microsoft that isn't going to be £349/$399 it has to be more and if according to all reports so far the pro already produces essentially 4k output (stuff/digital foundry/edge) what is going to be the point of the Scorpio, a 4k bluray player, slightly higher frame rates, on which games ? I have a bluray player in my ps4 and I think I bought 3 physical discs in its lifetime so far ! And though this gen has been limited so far both sides for games, PS has had some awesome standouts and MS maybe two must have games !

[Death]

A year from now when Scorpio releases, tech prices will be lower than they are today. I'm not sure they are aiming for a value driven price though, they seem to be targeting higher end buyers. Sony can sell more consoles, but that doesn't make it the best console, just the one that sells the most. Your awesome standouts on Playstation are highly subjective. It's great that you enjoy more Playstation games, but that is simply your opinion. I enjoy more Xbox exclusives than I do Playstation or even Wii exclusives. That doesn't make the Xbox better, it's just my opinion.

[starchild]

That isn't correct. You can build an equivalent PC for around $500 or $600. Some sources say $500, like this article http://www.pcgamesn.com/amd... but I would say $600 to be on the safe side and to assure higher quality and more balanced and consistent performance.

The PS4 Pro is a good deal, but so is the PC. Despite costing a little more, the PC can do a lot more than a console and it is also easily upgradable in a modular way. Other PC perks are that online gaming is free, games tend to be cheaper and you also get the benefit of mods and customization.

[Anungunrama]

I assure you I believe in the PC , I also enjoy console gaming. As the link doesn't work properly I would be curios to the card used in the price as the nearest to what the pro is running with is a Radeon 480 and that can't touch 4k.

[VoodooProject]

Maybe when the PS5 release it will have a 4k UHD Blu-ray player?

[Aenea]

Maybe when the Xbox Two releases it will finally have some games?

[VoodooProject]

Games that are coming this year for the Xbox one is a nice list. Only games I know coming out for PS4 this year is Grand Terismo and Last Guardian .

[Phill-Spencer]

Oh boy i am so looking forward to when Scorpio releases and flops big time. MS and Bots think that the most-powerful-console-tag automatically means Scorpio will be a sucess.

Yeah of the 20 mil xb1 buyers there will be a good percentage of users who want to upgrade because most of the people who bought xb1 are diehards who would buy any xbox Microsoft releases. But after that Mark its sales will slow way down and even crazy discounts like x1 receiver won't do because there simply isn't enough interest for a Microsoft console.

I look forward to See all the ps4 pro haters whine and damage control because Scorpio wasn't the saving grace for xbox brand but probably the last desperate rise before the Fall of xbox as a Departement of Microsoft.

[Elda]

What games will they have for it Crackdown 3,Scalebound,& Halo 6.

[Phill-Spencer]

So what you want to demonstrate with these 3 games.

Halo 6 - Halo 5 as an exclusive didn't boost x1 sales why should Halo 6, a xbox/ PC games move xbox units.

Crackdown 3 - 1+2 already were meh

Scalebound - let's wait and See how it turns out. The Presentation was pretty underwhelming but that could change.

[Elda]

I'm just implying that that's probably the only games they will have for it & I personally could care less about.

[TKCMuzzer]

Microsoft have been clever they have all their fans talking about something they haven't seen and can't touch, yet Microsoft's takes all their exclusives away from their current console, shows very little in terms of new games to make the Xbox a must have now or going forward.
If only these games shouted as loud about these issues, something that really matters, instead of slagging of an opposing console they would never buy and most likely never even play.

[Death]

I don't recall anyone from Microsoft coming to my house and taking away my exclusives. Are you sure this is happening? It's getting late tonight, but I will pop my Forza disc into my PS4 tomorrow and see if you are right. To be fair I'll see if it fits in my WiiU or plays on my gaming PC. I'm ok with being able to play my Xbox games on my gaming PC as long as the games aren't going to be nerfed like Sony is doing with PS4 Pro games. If Microsoft does the same thing I will be equally irritated when Scorpio launches.

[Death]

Why are you so concerned with sales? Sales don't make a product "the best". It is possible to have a premium product that has lower sales. Take a look around next time you are out and you will see this in the real world.

[Phill-Spencer]

But it is nothing premium about Xbox. Lack of variety isn't premium it is Boring!

[cyber_daemonx]

So Sony changed their E3 conference at the last minute twice now. Once when they apparently 'removed drm' and now by removing PS4 pro this year at the last minute.

What an absolute crock.

The desperation and downplaying is real.

[Saito]

This Pro negativity is amazing

[TKCMuzzer]

To be fair, Xbox fans do have 12 months to kill.

[Death]

I'm not going to lie and say I am not biased, but I do own all platforms and consider myself platform agnostic. With that said, I don't think things could go any better right now if you are an Xbox fan as far as Playstation is concerned. In the last month Sony has increased the cost to play online, made the PS4 look cheap and underwhelmed with the PS4Pro (Neo was a much better name and it didn't sound like it was taken from an Xbox console). On the software side they delayed one of the best games coming out and the much anticipated No Mans Sky fell short of what fans wanted it to be.

On the Microsoft side they released their S model which added features and improved the aesthetics, announced Play Anywhere which gives Xbox gamers the ability to play their games on both Xbox and Microsoft Windows 10 PC's, and announced the much more powerful Scorpio. On top of that we are heading into the Fall which is when Microsoft releases many of their games.

What exactly do you guys feel Xbox fans should be upset or angry about? I'm super happy for you guys and wish you the best. If you ever want to get crazy, pick up an Xbox and/or a Wii. Lots of great games and experiences exist everywhere, not just on Playstation products.

[cyber_daemonx]

@Death where did he say xbox fans were upset or angry? He basically said that as Scorpio won't be out for 12 months so n4g is gonna get 12 months of salt from the xbox fans till scorpio comes out. And anyhow judging by the comments and negative articles on here, xbox fans are really upset and angry tbh. To say they aren't is just pure denial.

[Germany7]

The best thing on the last E3 was the Pc Gaming Show, stole the entire show.

[curtis92]

It's clear why: they've stated they like apple's approach of announcing hardware and then within a month or two releasing it. Announcing a PS4 Pro at E3 would've REALLY hurt ps4 sales leading up to november.

[ChickenOfTheCaveMan]

Wow, this article is unreadable. The guy must have had a fever dream and then woke up to write this, it's all over the place.

I still think Sony played it right.
They gave E3 the games and Pro and Slim its own event. The product itself is a really nice option, over twice the teraflops of the regular PS4 which means options for the devs to make games prettier.

Sure, it's not the end of the year 2017, pricier but more powerful Scorpio, but it's alright.

[ShadowWolf712]

Am I the only one who remembers Andrew House specifically said the "Neo" wouldn't be at E3 BEFORE E3?

https://www.engadget.com/20...

[ShadowWolf712]

Why exactly do people downvote a plain and simple fact?

[Auron]

It's tragic that these so called gamers feel the need to defend a plastic box to the death and constantly need to argue with each other! lather rinse repeat... this shit is so damn pathetic and needs to stop. Go play some games so called gamers!

Playstation has games
Xbox has games
PC has games
Nintendo has games

Don't let these journalists get under your skin!
Or allow this fanboy cancer to affect you.
Enjoy your games and chill the hell out!
Grow up!!!

[WelkinCole]

Announce it then including the slim then see sales suffer for more than 5 months?.

Do these idiots know anything?.

[Armyntt]

Legit questions here. And it goes for both the pro and next years scorpio. Will these systems from jump make all games look and or play better without any patches? If not what is the incentive for companies financially to put any more resources into the game. Is patching them to run better or look better easy on their end? I just dont see why on their end they would really put much more effort. These are not rhetorical questions. Theres more systems out that arent the pro or scorpio for a few years. I dont have a 4k tv so im wondering how benefits i will see by buying these in the near future. Thanks for anyone who explains from a nonfanboy perspective.

[Kokyu]

Click bait. Everyone knows why Sony didnt show Ps4 Pro at E3. They got wind of MS annoucing Scorpio and didnt want Ps4 Pro competing for press against a clearly more powerful console. They chose instead to make their own event up to show case the console.