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PS4 Pro is not a Scorpio competitor

Tony Polanco from Geek.com writes:

"After months of speculation and rumors, we finally have some concrete information about the PlayStation 4 Pro (formerly known as the PS4 Neo). On the outside, it appears to be a challenger to Microsoft’s Project Scorpio. As tempting as it is to want to compare Sony and Microsoft’s upcoming systems, they are actually fundamentally different machines."

KiwiViper852780d ago (Edited 2779d ago )

Sony continues the tradition of awesome code names, and boring retail names...

Ot: Ye PS4 isn't even in the same league as Scorpio. It's MLB vs women's softball

Thatguy-3102780d ago

Yea neo like morpheus will stay with me regardless of their retail names lol

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Retroman2780d ago (Edited 2780d ago )

@ thatguy-310

Glad it was not called Trinity lol

ShadowKnight2780d ago (Edited 2780d ago )

I see a PS5 reveal at E3 2018 and launch by Early 2019. Basically a year in a half after the Scorpio.

TwoForce2780d ago

Like I said, it will sit alongside with original PS4. So it not true next gen console. Just mid upgarde.

darthv722780d ago

Bottom line is pro is going to compete with scorpio when they are both on the market at the same time. Until something better comes along.

Its always a competition between ps and xb while nintendo just does their own thing.

boodi2780d ago

@shin
not sure why 4.2TF and 6TF are not competitors if 1.3TF and 1.8TF are

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343_Guilty_Spark2780d ago (Edited 2780d ago )

@Shin-Zantetsuken

Wrong again.

The Scorpio 2 will be the PS5 competitor. I can't see Sony launching a PS5 at least until 2019-2020 or til they've milked the PS4 teet dry.

Scorpio will have a 4 year run then it'll be refreshed in 2020-2021 with the Scorpio 2...which will be backwards compatible with all Xboxes and forwards compatible with whatever comes next.

Well be Salty all you want. Microsoft won't ever give back the power advantage.

S2Killinit2780d ago

watch the PS5 release within a year of scorpio. Sony already said Pro is a mid cycle update. MS already said they wanted a new gen console. 2+2=4 and PS5 will be arriving right after MS is past the point of no return with scorpio's development. Then PS5 will come out with significantly more power. This is just logic. Sony has the instal base, why rush things, wait for MS to make a move, then outdo them. Simple.

Mystogan2780d ago

Lol PS4 fans are getting desperate xD.

BlackTar1872780d ago (Edited 2780d ago )

Scorpio 2 will release 1 yr later then ps5? I don't know what xbox plan is but that's not it.

Scorpio is gonna be expensive and cost a ton to make. If Scorpio isn't next gen then you're hoping for $500-$600 upgrades every 3 yrs? That's a lot of money they would expect people to pay.

343_Guilty_Spark2780d ago

@S2Killinit

So a PS5 in 2018 only 2 years after the PS4 Pro drops? That competes with the most idiotic thing I've heard today, the others being no 4k bluray and HDR over HDMI 1.4a.

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donthate2780d ago

S2:

I know you are attached and it hurts right now. You will get over it in 2-years, and another 2-years after that we can do this dance all over again.

QUIMICOMORTAL2780d ago

I totally disagree with your assessment, it's very likely that ps5 releases 2018 but I'll accept 2019, but what will definitely won't happen is that Scorpio 2 releases 2020, an expensive machine like Scorpio (oh, you bet it will be expensive) cannot possibly be posed to last just 3 years.

Artemidorus2780d ago

Can't believe you just type crap like that.

You have zero idea what 2020 or 2021. No one knew in 2013 we were having updated consoles in 2016.

You are the very reason disappointment gets created by guessing games and expectations.

colonel1792780d ago

Spend all your time playing Halo/Forza/Gears for all the eternity with Nasa-powered Xbox. Microsoft might be doing their strategy to have the most powerful consoles of all time, but what matters the most, ultimately, is the games. Sony has many first party games from all genres PLUS the third party games. Microsoft has max. 5 games and third parties (which this gen at least, are going to PS4, so no SFV, etc).

Inzo2780d ago

MS can keep the power advantage because Sony has the gaming advantage, there is some salt for you. And dont you xbox fanboys read xbox articles anymore? MS already said there will be no Scorpio 2. Sorry to break the news, Xbox will always be 2nd best, at least until the NX is released.

yeahokwhatever2779d ago

there will be no scorpio 2 or xbox after the scorpio unless it catches a perfect storm of success and is wildly popular (more sales than the wii)

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fromchildren2780d ago

Following the Apple naming sense
It always worked for Apple.

kparks2780d ago

I actually think calling it the pro was a really smart move not everyone would know what a neo or whatever is other than people like us that follow this stuff, but the average Joe goes in and sees ps4 and ps4 pro that pretty much tells everyone that it's the samething but slightly beefed up not really any guess work too it.

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2pacalypsenow2780d ago

Xbox is not a PlayStation competitor, see I can do it too.

DARK_WOLF2780d ago (Edited 2780d ago )

Yep. Xbox scorpio crushes the ps4 pro so hard that sony fanboys are now resorting to saying ps4 pro its not even competing with scorpio lol.

Fact is they are both high end versions of their respective consoles.

Ps4 + ps4 pro
Xb1s + xbox scorpio

Xbox is just putting out way better consoles and some people cant accept it.

And last i checked ps3 came out a year after xbox 360. So does that mean 360 was not in competition with ps3? Lmao

Doabarrelroll2780d ago

Too bad PS is beating Xbox in games, you know the things that matters

showtimefolks2780d ago

crushing how? has either launched? oh i see you have scorpio in your hands right now? we don't know how the market is gonna react

$399 for ps4 pro in november
$499 for scorpio in 2017

don't you think sony will cut the price of pro before launch of scorpio? so gamers like you and me(more me since you hate playstation) can buy both but casuals will majority of the times go for price. $349 sounds much better than $499

another thing by the time scorpio comes out ps4 will be ahead by 25-30 million. so you xbox defense force members are admitting the fact ms is jumping the gen than right? xbox one has no chance of catching ps4 so scorpio is actually xbox 2

one more thing ps4 pro can play games at better res and fps in november while scorpio fans wait another 12 months. you think you can wait but casuals won't and that's the majority of gaming fanbase

you telling someone that can play COD,Destiny expansion,BF1,the last guardain,fallout 4,witcher 3,uncharted 4,the last of us,bloodborne etc, right now but you think they much rather wait another 12 months and pay more

reply with a mature answer for what i am saying besides just saying whatever

nRicosS2780d ago

If scorpio is upgraded from xbox one not new gen, then maybe ms will name it, xbox one pro/ xbox one plus / xbox one 2.0

Then if sony not start new gen with ps5, the next ps will be ps4 pro pro, ps4 pro plus or maybe ps4 pro 2.0

Lol

Sparta072780d ago (Edited 2780d ago )

No it's PS4s against xbox1. The PS4s is taking over the original PS4. So it goes like this
PS4S vs Xbox1
PS4PRO vs xbox1s.
Doesn't seem that hard to understand.
" Xbox is just putting out way better consoles and some people cant accept it. "
Is that why they are over 20 million behind?
Plus your saying power matters now. so since PS4PRO is the strongest console out now, by your logic Sony is going to kill Microsoft for the next year and half. Right!??! Right!!?

KwietStorm_BLM2780d ago

Welp, let's do some maths

1.84 teraflops / 1.31 teraflops
6 teraflops / 4.2 teraflops

See any similarities here? If one is apparently putting out way better consoles, then that's kind of a paradox.

VoodooProject2780d ago

@ So a barrelroll What games are coming out this year on PS4? All I know is Grand Terismo Sport.

kayoss2780d ago (Edited 2780d ago )

What power matters now??
PS4 Pro is an upgrade to the current PS4. Xbox Scorpio is not an upgrade to the xbox one. Its a damn next gen console.

OB1Biker2780d ago

'competing with Scorpio'

Should nt that be formulated the other way round?
PS4p is available very soon while a competing product is in development to be released about a year after. In the mean while they can't :compete' indeed.

Also from the article
'challenger to Microsoft’s Project Scorpio'
How can a new product be a 'challenger' to a project than won't be released for a while?

QUIMICOMORTAL2780d ago

Dead wrong! First, the % of advantage Scorpio has over ps4 pro is less than the % of advantage ps4 has over the xbone.

And Scorpio is not a high end xbone, how the hell something more than 4 times more powerful can be just a high end? It's their Next console!

That doesn't mean they won't be competitors for a while though. But just until the next console (not upgrade) from Sony arrives.

DARK_WOLF2780d ago (Edited 2780d ago )

Lol at disagrees to facts.

Phil spencer said scorpio is part of the xbox one family. The premium xbox one experience.

They are already confirmed to be working on the next gen xbox to come after scorpio as well.

Keep dreaming guys. Uve had a rough day i get it. But come back to reality. Both consoles have great games. U dont give xbox credit for anything.

Gears 4, recore, scalebound, halo 5, halo wars 2, everspace, forza horizon 3, forza motorsport, cuphead, sea of thieves, crackdown ect are all amazing games. Plus xb1 has all multiplats which are 99% of games that are bought. And we getting plenty more with uwp, also emulators for nes,snes,genesis games ect.

Scorpio native 4k and best version of multiplats by a big margin.

But upscale is good now huh? But not good for xb1?

Oooook got it 👌

So no 4k br, no 4k upscale or hdr10 on standard ps4, cheap design with optical port removed.

So less features and cheaper build quality is better now?? Power doesnt matter now??

Total hypocricy

Give credit where its due. Xbox is laying the smack down on sony in terms of hardware quality and you know it.

Liqu1d2780d ago

I'm enjoying your crying, keep going.

DARK_WOLF2780d ago (Edited 2780d ago )

The only people that are crying are you sony fans disagreeing with reality like birds with their heads in the sand lmao

Less power, less features and lower build quality is better now hahaha ok enjoy.

Ps4 games are good but sorry hardware crown goes to xbox.

Spectre_StatusN72780d ago

@DarkWolf_NZ

"Give credit where its due. Xbox is laying the smack down on sony and you know it."

It amazes me how people think power is the only determination of winning the console generation. When you look at the history of gaming, the most powerful console is almost always behind the market lead.

It will be fun to watch how Microsoft releases Scorpio and literally nothing changes. The PlayStation brand will always be on top due to it's worldwide recognition.

DARK_WOLF2780d ago (Edited 2780d ago )

It amazes me how some people dont understand that the world changes.

This gen has been driven by POWER more than ANYTHING else.

Gamergate. Its always been 900p vs 1080p the media has driven it into the ground.

All u had to do was google which is better and boom resolution differences.

It sure as heck hasnt been the exclusives as most of them still arent out yet. And 99% of game sales are multiplats.

Ps4 has been propped up by multiplats and marketing deals along with its power advantage.

Thats it.

Im done u guys believe what u want always giving xbox slack for looking like a vcr and having lower res on some games.

Now ps4 looks like a george forman grill or multilayer cake, has lower res than xbox scorpio and xb1s 4k upscale, no 4k br player and removed features and suddenly the reasons u been giving xbox slack for dont matter anymore and its about games.. even tho most games people want are multiplat.

Psh im out. Its clear u gonna give playststion the win no matter what even when its clearly being outdone by xbox.

madmonkey012780d ago (Edited 2780d ago )

too bad it doesnt exist yet, adn as history shows, there has never been an xbox console to beat a playstation console.

you could say the 360 was not in competition with the ps3, it would give it an excuse for being so roundly beaten.

Artemidorus2780d ago

Xbox might provide a decent console but the games are garbage.

Kaze882780d ago

Your idiocy gave me cancer

kparks2780d ago

The thing here is the price.. sony is genius and I do believe this will work out for them 299 and 399 for the pro now by the time the Scorpio comes out the pro should be 349 and getting good bundles and 249 for the slim.. no1 is going to pay top dollar for a Scorpio when it's playing the same damn games!! At least not the majority of the public..

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aconnellan2780d ago

Yep. Funny how it was going to be a direct competitor with an edge (because of the year head start) until the specs were announced. Now it's "not a competitor"

Inzo2780d ago

Maybe MS should stop worrying about power and start worrying about putting out quality new games. The Pro's specs shows me one thing, Sony has outsmarted MS again.

aconnellan2780d ago

I enjoy the games they're putting out, and I'm looking forward to many more. It's one thing to say there aren't many exclusives as the PlayStation, which is true, but it's another to question their quality.

How do the Pro's specs show that Sony outsmarted MS? How does that work?

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BossBattle2780d ago

Of course because it can't compete in terms of power

S2Killinit2780d ago (Edited 2780d ago )

no because the PS5 will come out right after scorpio. As for PS4Pro, it competes with the console that is released at the same time, namely the xboxoneS, not with a console that releases in at least a year from now. So it makes sense.

@Starchild (below)
are you also mad that MS will be releasing the scorpio one year after xboxoneS? why does this only apply to Sony?? lol weird.

Sm00thNinja2780d ago

Why would Sony release a PS5 with the PS4 Pro less than 2 years. They've been developing this for 3 since the PS4 launched that would make no sense

Nitrowolf22780d ago (Edited 2780d ago )

@smooth

Yet here we are with them releasing three products just a month a part of each other.

2018/19 will still put the ps4 at 5/6 years of support regardless of pro. Pro isn't gonna pro long the generation lifetime considering that they have already over 40million on the current model. The pro is being advertis3d as a current ps4 gen.

And what do you think they are working on now? The next console, just like they started work on the ps4 after 3, and ps3.after 2 released.

This is just Sony way of adopting 4k

starchild2780d ago

I'll bet $100 to any N4G user that Sony will not release the PS5 any earlier than 2019. Any takers?

There's just no way they would do that. The backlash would be incredible. I know that I will be angry if I buy a PS4 Pro and Sony turns around and releases another console in only two years.

BossBattle2780d ago (Edited 2780d ago )

So you're saying the PS5 will release one year after the Neo to compete with the Scorpio? Highly unlikely. That means the lifetime sales of the PS4 and Neo will be shortened.

Gazondaily2780d ago

Loool PS5 coming out right after Scorpio?? Thats sooo for the players right?

Tobsesan2780d ago

Why would they have a console refresh now, just to release ps5 in 2 years? This "gen" will last way longer than this

MatrixxGT2780d ago (Edited 2780d ago )

Dude you sound really desperate. Why the hell would Sony release ps4 pro this year and then a year later drop ps5?

Just stop and think about That for a minute. Their most anticipated games are delayed into 2017 for Petes sake.

Face it, the Scorpio will be much more powerful than your precious ps4 that you wrap in your blankey and sleep with every night. And will be much more powerful for years after.

Stop being insecure about your console of choice and move on. Both companies have good games, hell buy both like many people here and then your eyes can open up and see that the fanboy world is for 12 year olds and then you can grow up.

jcole972779d ago

so did the xbox 360 compete with the ps3 since it came out a year later? you sony fanboys kill. microsoft has already said that scorpio will be apart of this gen.

yeahokwhatever2779d ago

ps5 will be fully compatible with ps4 titles. they can release it whenever they want/need to. that was the whole point of moving over to the new ps4 architecture.

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Rude-ro2780d ago

But blows it away in games. Soooo

DARK_WOLF2780d ago

Not really. Wheres sonys competitive first party shooters? Wheres there competitive first party racers? Wheres its first party rts games? Ps4 is skint af on those games just like xbox is skint on jrpgs

Rude-ro2780d ago

@DarkWolf_NZ
Where is the demand for Microsofts offerings?!
Do declining sales for their only exclusives mean they are in demand?

Sales equals consumer demand... Microsofts is tired and old.
Where is a good halo? Who wants a yearly racer?
Where is a first party exclusive?

Have you ever noticed that the only games people can defend on the Xbox are THE only games they have?
I mean, in the world of Xbox kid, indies are praised like AAA games because it is all that will release for a couple months...

No thank you.

BossBattle2780d ago

Too many Sony games are like the Last Of Us. That was a good game but nobody wants to play all games like that.

Inzo2780d ago

@DarkWolf

You do realise that you comment is just proving the point that xbox has a serious lack of new ip's right?

trouble_bubble2780d ago (Edited 2780d ago )

@bossbattle
Omfg what lol? Name one. Cuz you're saying until dawn, ratchet and clank, MLB the show, last guardian, horizon, yakuza 0, Gravity Rush, Bloodborne, infamous, Killzone, Odin sphere, Nioh, LittleBigPlanet, the order, Driveclub are all too much like the last of us. That's what you're saying when you say too many Sony games are like the last of us. Youll see how dumb that sounds

@darkwolf
Where's the RTS's? Oh god! Well where are the sports, platformer, adventure, rpg, horror, superhero, fantasy genres the other way?

Gran Turismo might be delayed, but fable and project spark got straight up cut. Where's the equivalent to something quirky like hatsune miku which has an 82% avg?

You guys can debate the hardware specs, but the software difference is black and white. I mean come on. "Skint" is the same free to play season pass recycling of launch title killer instinct compared to SFV,Guilty Gear, KOF all this year.

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QUIMICOMORTAL2780d ago

But it beats it in time, price and exclusives

sammarshall1022780d ago

So because one is more powerful they aren't competing now?

S2Killinit2780d ago

no its because the PS4Pro is released at the same time as the xboxoneS. Once the scorpio is released, we will start to hear about the PS5 which will be a competitor to the scorpio.

Sm00thNinja2780d ago

This logic is stupid I'm glad you're not working at Sony smh

S2Killinit2780d ago

@Sm00thNinja
watch the PS5 release within a year of scorpio. Sony already said Pro is a mid cycle update. MS already said they wanted a new gen console. 2+2=4 and PS5 will be arriving right after MS is past the point of no return with scorpio's development. Then PS5 will come out with significantly more power. This is just logic. Sony has the instal base, why rush things, wait for MS to make a move, then outdo them. Simple.

donthate2780d ago

That is the only way to hold onto any hope at this point. Just remember when you are playing any game this year, that the same game will be best experienced on the Xbox Scorpio. XD

Liqu1d2780d ago

@donthate Is that what you guys have been doing all these years, remembering that every game you play will be best experienced on PS4 or PC? So sad. I'm glad I can actually enjoy games unlike you.

Anonymous_Gamer2780d ago

@S2killinit Wow, you might as well say the Xbox 360 and Ps3 weren't competitors as the latter was released a year after (by your logic that is)

Kribwalker2779d ago

So did the 360 and PS3 compete? They were released 1 year apart, the PS3 was $200 more? but they played the same games, same multiplats, just like what will be the case when they release the Scorpio. Same multiplats, same games, same gen, direct competition

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Rude-ro2780d ago

Well, Microsoft still has to move A LOT of hardware to START competing

EpicSandwich2779d ago

You mean Sony needs something powerful enough to actually compete? Which it can't do now

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Sparta072780d ago

@Sam.,The PS4s is taking over the original PS4. So it goes like this
PS4S vs Xbox1
PS4PRO vs xbox1s.
Doesn't seem that hard to understand.

Mystogan2780d ago (Edited 2780d ago )

Stop justifying it. Sony dropped the ball thats it.

Its
Xbox One vs PS4
Xbox One S vs PS4 S
Xbox Scorpio vs PS4 Pro.

Stop spinning things.
Besides Xbox One S is also replacing the original Xbox One.

S2Killinit2780d ago

yup. As to scorpio, Sony will wait until they are well into development, and release a more powerful PS5.

BRAN117DON2780d ago

Xbox one s is also replacing the original xbox one :)
So xbox one s vs ps4 slim
Xbox scorpio vs ps4 pro ;)

aconnellan2780d ago

The flip flopping is real. They were direct competitors until the specs were released

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darthv721d 18h ago

Their newer giga cart tech should make for even bigger games coming to the platform. I'm hoping for a Resident Evil collection with the first 3 games.

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With Larian Out Of The Picture, Will The Baldur's Gate IP Be In Safe Hands?

Huzaifah from eXputer: "With Larian Studios washing their hands of the IP, what is the ultimate fate of the legendary Baldur's Gate series?"

RaidenBlack19h ago

If anybody's gonna mention BioWare, then look at Archetype Entertainment, they're the new BioWare
or else
Obsidian is still a good choice but not independent anymore.

anast19h ago(Edited 19h ago)

No, WoTC is pivoting to mobile. They can use Larian's work to justify DnD Go and everyone will accept it.

RiseNShine18h ago

Short answer, nope. Long answer, f*ck nope.

robtion1h ago

Correct answer. Most people don't realise that the companies that are still making good games using common sense and a customer focus are generally not American. They are from Poland, Belgium, Japan, or other countries that have not yet become completely corrupted by 'extreme capitalism'.

Before you down vote me into oblivion I am not anti-american. I just don't like greed and corruption which unfortunately seems to correlate with power.

I would guess the next Baldurs gate will probably be filled with GaaS.

Christopher18h ago

Honestly, we're talking completely new engine and none of Larian's built-in stuff with regard to environments and the like that they had from their past divinity game. No one is going to have that just ready to go. So, they need to shop for a dev studio that has a past game that shows what they want.

Obsidian doesn't have that, maybe the closest being Dungeon Siege 3 or Pillars of Eternity, but those are very basic, not as open, very little environment related and altering capabilities. So, we're talking a step way back on what Larian delivered. Zero scene experience to line up with what was done in BG3. Okay conversation tree designs, but still needs more complexity.

inXile has Wasteland 3 as a base model engine, and I think that's better than Pillars of Eternity from Obsidian. But, still needs to be more open world, more environmental effects, and a much heavier rules set adaptation. But, not a bad overall engine as a base, but still a ton of work. Zero scene experience to line up with what was done in BG3. Needs a ton of work on that entirely.

Tactical Adventure did the Solasta game. Really good and more accurate as far as 5e rules than BG3. But, again, if the expectation is similar to what made BG3 a big hit, engine isn't designed for moving the camera, is a bit outdated in graphics, doesn't have in-game scene elements, and needs much better writers/voice actors.

Owlcat of pathfinder games is another choice, even though they've recently moved on to WH40k licensed games. Again, though, the engine is the biggest issue here to match up, but it's a much better option overall than Tactical Adventure. Another question is writers/story telling, as much of their overall story telling bits are very limited with a lot of random worldbuilding elements that are just +\- of some attributes.

TBH, no matter who takes over, it's just not going to be like BG3 much like how BG3 isn't at all like BG1/2. And BG3 was so successful because of how much Larian was able to put in with their engine and how focused they were on players having ridiculous control over the story being told. I just don't see the next BG being the same and depending on what it is, it might be good but I'm not as big of a reach as BG3. It's way more likely players are going to go into BG4 (or its spiritual successor if it moves away from Baldur's Gate and into Neverwinter or something like Plansescape) expecting much of what is in BG3 with more options, new and older characters, and the same level of control over what they're doing. If it doesn't have that, regardless of who makes it, it won't be as successful, IMHO.

exputers1h ago

Yes, I completely concur.

As good and talented as inXile and Obsidian are in their own specific way of making their particular games, none of them have Larian's attention to detail, dynamic worlds, and reactivity, so even if they end up making a new Baldur's Gate, it's going to be a significant step-down in terms of gameplay if not narrative.

CrimsonWing6917h ago

Probably not, but maybe… just maybe…

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darthv721d 18h ago

Evercade is a great little platform. Im surprised more dont know about it.

Vits1d 17h ago

It's a great idea, but I feel the execution could have been better, particularly concerning the quality of the consoles themselves and the fact that those carts are likely not going to last long, given the cheap, bottom-of-the-barrel flash memory they use.