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No PS4 Trade-In Program for Neo Could Alienate Core Gamers, Says Analyst

Video games has never seen mid-generation hardware upgrades like gamers have heard about and PS4 Neo is expected to take center stage tomorrow.

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ziggurcat2786d ago

regardless of how anyone feels about them, i'm pretty sure gamestop/EB games will have some kind of trade-in deal....

Neonridr2786d ago

yeah.. they'll probably give you like $50 towards the Neo purchase :P

ziggurcat2786d ago

haha i know they're bad, but I would expect it'd be somewhere in the $150-200 range like the OG Xbox trade-in thing they had.

Neonridr2786d ago

I hope you are right. I have no need for my OG PS4 so I could definitely use the money to help soften the blow since I am also getting the PSVR next month.

Rimeskeem2786d ago

If they can give, was it 150$? Towards a new gen console from your old gen then they can give that same amount. At least towards an upgrade.

I don't care though, already have someone who wants to buy mine for 200$ when NEO releases.

peewee110162786d ago

they moved it dwn to 150 from 200 2 weeks ago so people wont feel ripped off with the added 50 lol gamestop are crooks

mikeslemonade2785d ago

Currently it's $125. I'm just gonna buy the Neo outright and trade the vanilla PS4 in. I'm not waiting for the deal because that may take a while, but I will offer my system to my friend for $150.

Currentlyly there's still no Xbox slim trade in deal. Sorry I'm not gonna wait for 3 months to half a year for something I want. YOLO

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hulk_bash19872786d ago

I buy games from them, but I always try to avoid pre owned and never sell my games. But they do have great deals on occasion.

LexHazard792785d ago

They only time I go to Gamestop is to buy pre owned..buy 2 get one free deals. Aside from that Im better off buying new games from Amazon and Best Buy.

hulk_bash19872785d ago

To each their own, I buy from both amazon and Gamestop. I just dont like buying preowned games unless there is no other option. Im not judging anyone that does, its your right to do what you want with your own money.

fei-hung2786d ago

The stupidity of these articles. You don't need a trade in programme. Stores have been doing this job for years so why change it now.

Aenea2786d ago

I wish a shop near where I live (the Netherlands) would do such a thing, I would use such a deal!

Ah well, now I have to do it the hard way, sell it myself...

IamTylerDurden12785d ago (Edited 2785d ago )

Gamestop will obviously have a trade in program and you are an idiot if you think they will only give "$50" for your PS4. Sarcasm or not.

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Aloy-Boyfriend2786d ago (Edited 2786d ago )

They don't have to get a NEO to play games. It is an optional upgrade. Are there trade in programs for new gen system? Never! And, it is not like Sony is just dumping the OG PS4 with the slim altogether. If everyone upgrades, it will make devs abandon OG PS4 and focus on NEO.

I'm not againts the idea. I just don't see it happening. But I could be wrong

morganfell2786d ago

This.

If leaked documents are to be believed, Sony has gone to great lengths to insure neither they nor devs - including 3rd party and indies - cannot alienate current PS4 owners.

freshslicepizza2786d ago (Edited 2786d ago )

well you know how people on the internet try and interpret their own opinions. same thing is happening with project scorpio, some keep saying its'a next gen system that will get new games the xbox one won't even though phil said the complete opposite.

the thing is about the trade in program, the more people trade in ps4's the more the price bottoms out. i expect quite a few will trade in.

DragonKnight2785d ago

Because all corporations are honest and unchanging at all times about everything.

Angeljuice2785d ago

@moldybread

Only MS won't be making Scorpio-only games. They have stated that 3rd parties can if they choose to.

That is the big difference in the two strategies.

_-EDMIX-_2785d ago

@mold-and Dragon- the issue with your logic is who's actually dumb enough to create exclusives for Neo and Scorpio? You're talking about the Lesser install base here so why would they opt to make less money? All while spending even more money? Buddy we're still waiting on those GTX 1080 exclusive games lol

If you understand simple PC gaming will also understand why neither of your logic's actually really make sense when have you ever seen a game released exclusively for the top GPU on the market? There's a real logical reason why doesn't happen it's because any company that would even have the funds to create such a thing would also not be stupid enough to limit their funds to a single GPU type it sounds pretty stupid.

Like really dumb.

So I would say the chances of you seeing a Scorpio or Neo exclusive are probably in the same percentile chance that you'll see a dual 1080 GTX SLI exclusive title lol

freshslicepizza2785d ago (Edited 2785d ago )

AngelJuice they said no such things. What they did say is it's up to third party how to use the extra power on Scorpio meaning they don't have to do 4k. Not sure why people are agreeing with your comment and again shows how some people want to interpret their own opinions with facts.

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CorndogBurglar2786d ago

What do you mean there's never trade in programs toward new consoles? Maybe not on Sony/MS's side, but Gamestop offers very reasonable console/hardware trade in amounts if its toward a new console coming out.

They did it with Xbox One, PS4, and also Xbox 1s.

My buddy traded in his PS3 controllers and games and it totally paid for his PS4.

CorndogBurglar2785d ago

Say what you want. If they can give me $150 for a console I'll have no use for and knock off the price of a NEO I'm all over it.

lazyboyblue2786d ago (Edited 2786d ago )

I think the current trade in value for ps4 at this moment will become very much lower in the next 24hrs. 😕

Taero2785d ago

It's already $125, I doubt it's going to shoot up...

InTheZoneAC2786d ago

there is no alienation because you're not going to be separated by neo only exclusive games and you're not going to be separated from in game multiplayer

I'm ITZ and I disapprove of this article

JEECE2786d ago

Just wait until a game runs at 60fps on Neo and 30fps with dips on vanilla PS4 and the Neo people have a major advantage in the multiplayer. This is why iterations on console are stupid, and don't make sense like they do for phones.

(Btw, not hating on Sony, Scorpio will create this same issue, but potentially even worse)

InTheZoneAC2785d ago

I think laggers in multiplayer present a bigger problem than one playing at 30FPS while the other plays at 60FPS

Besides, at 30 or 60 fps there should be almost no advantage to the 60 FPS player other than his game plays and looks smoother.

nitus102785d ago

I assume you are talking about online multiplayer FPS games.

I hate to break it to you but you really do have to worry more about your network connection than you do about frames per second.

If you have a single player game that has little if any online component and requires the player to move their avatar at a fairly fast pace (think single player Doom which is 1080p @ 60fps on the PS4) then of course, the higher the frames per second the better.

The problem comes when you try to push for more than 60fps since you have to take into account the refresh rate (in Hertz) of your display device. As a rule of thumb if you want to push 90fps or higher you need a display that is has a 90Hz or preferably greater refresh rate.

Even if you want to compare resolutions such as 4k against 1080p, providing the fps is the same on both display devices and the network is about the same, in a multiplayer match the would be no real advantage since everything then hinges on the skill of the players.

JEECE2785d ago

@InTheZoneAC

So because people with bad internet create one problem, we should ignore Sony creating another totally unnecessary problem?

And yes, people playing at 60 FPS will have and advantage over those playing at 30, especially if the 30 isn't stable.

And yes, I realize this is an issue on PC and people play multiplayer games on PC all the time. But one of the advantages of consoles was that everyone had an equal experience.

Bahamut2785d ago

That falls on the developers of these games. If they want to lock the framerate for online to 30 fps for everyone in order to be fair, they can do that. Nothing states that 60 fps is required for every game mode of every game, come on.

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DragonKnight2785d ago

See, this is the kind of stuff that makes this gen pathetic. If I provided a reason to question this idea that there won't be Neo exclusives, I'd be told Neo hasn't even been announced and to wait for that first. And yet people are taking Destructoid at their word even though Neo doesn't officially yet exist and everyone knows there won't be Neo exclusives because... reasons.

Ya'll are the reason the state of the industry in relation to consumer rights and quality is in the terrible position it's in.

JEECE2785d ago

People are really desperate to ignore the obvious issues Neo and Scorpio create, for some reason.

DragonKnight2785d ago

They'll see for themselves. Then they'll say we have no other choice but to support the nonsense.

Pro_TactX2786d ago

I'm pretty indifferent on the matter. I'm just going to give my current PS4 to my niece when I upgrade.

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Chatting Shadows of the Damned: Hella Remastered with Suda51

CGM Writes: While we were over at PAX East, we were able to sit down with Goichi Suda (Suda51) and talk about the upcoming remaster of Shadows of the Damned

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Sega Franchises That Deserve a Comeback

We explore the Sega classics that are ripe for revival! From Panzer Dragoon Saga to Virtua Fighter, discover why these legendary games deserve a comeback on next-gen consoles. Dive into a nostalgic journey and see which Sega titles are set to captivate a new generation of gamers in 2024.

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ZeekQuattro3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Turned based Phantasy Star and Shinning Force remain at the top of my list of Sega IPs that need to return. At the very least I'd take a Shining Force collection that has 1,2,3, CD and the Game Gear entries.

FinalBoss3d ago

I was hesitant to put these two on. I've personally played more PSO than the RPG version. And shame on me, I don't remember much about Shining Force to talk about it properly.

That said, so many Sega licences deserve their place in this list.

jznrpg1d 13h ago

A new Phantasy Star in the numbered series would be amazing. Shining Force too. But I’d settle on some collections as that’s probably the best we will get

anast3d ago

I don't trust Sega to do a proper comeback. The games will be just remastered and/or monetized to death.

gold_drake2d ago

shining force.

but indont see that happening unfortunately.

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Former Blizzard President Suggests Players Should Have Option to Tip Developers

Former Blizzard president Mike Ybarra recently suggested an interesting concept that has sparked a debate among gamers - the idea of being able to tip developers after completing a game.

LG_Fox_Brazil9d ago

If I had a 100% way to be sure that this money would go to a fund or a reserve dedicated only to the guys who develop the games, be them designers, artists, programmers and so on, I could think about it.

But we all know that this 'tip' would only end up in a publisher's CEO pocket to buy a new yacht, so, no, I ain't tipping anyone anytime soon on this industry

neutralgamer19929d ago

Exactly these companies were raising money for good causes and gamers were donation and come to find out they are keeping a good chunk of be pie

PapaBop8d ago

Yeah tip your developer, 5% proceeds go to developer, 95% to the publisher or whoever. Isn't tipping for staff not making minimum wage? How about they just pay their developers properly and like you know, give them fair bonuses? Too much to ask from Blizzard these days, Kotick saw to that and is now laughing all the way to the bank.

MrDead9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

It's the t**ts at the top looking at ways to cut devs wages and get the players to tip them like waiting staff, and I'll guarantee a percentage is skimmed and kept by Activision Blizzard. This is 100% for shareholder and CEO playouts.

Popsicle9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

I have to agree with this. On the surface tipping devs sounds like a great idea, but in the end it leads to pay cuts and subsidization of pay. Tips then become an expectation or the devs “can’t make a living.” Lastly, especially in the US, tip culture has gotten out of control, and it serves as an excuse not to properly pay employees. Sounds good but doesn’t end well.

drizzom8d ago

@ Popsicle

I think your right on the nose with how much tipping has become rampant. Instead of it being a relationship directly between the customer and the developer or employee, it now has a middle man ingrained in the system. DoorDash is one example. It ends up becoming a metric where the company can measure 'just how much more money you are willing to part with' before raising the price on the main product.

1Victor8d ago

Uh so they’re trying triple dip or more we buy the game that they’re already withholding/cutting content for dlc we was told that season pass would help the developers thrive we felt for it.
Now on top of all that plus their sales bonus they want tips enough is enough whatever happens to you create/built a good game get a bonus for sales milestones you care about your game and community we reward you with more sales not for doing 3/4 of a game then save the other 1/4 for dlc and passes after

raWfodog8d ago

The 'tip' is me buying your game in the first place.

S2Killinit8d ago

Very well said. If it was possible to send the money to either the developer or some organization for the betterment of gaming, sure. But we all know that will not be the case.

Rynxie8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

No, it would go to those on the top. They will still fire developers, have a bunch of microtransactions, raise prices of games and so on.

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H99d ago

So they eventually don't pay their workers and depend on our tips to pay them like the case with waiters!

Deeeeznuuuts9d ago

That kind of practice is only normal in the states, as far as I know anyway, what a backwards system

H99d ago

No it's as well in a every country that wants to amercanize

bloop8d ago

Ireland is literally the first stop across the pond and we don't have a tipping culture. The only establishments here that would expect a tip are the tourist haunts that Americans visit. Other than that, you might tip in a restaurant as a sign of gratitude for great service and waiting staff would be paid a full wage anyway.

Rebel_Scum8d ago

Tipping is not customary iin most countries dude. Get a passport lol.

Jin_Sakai9d ago

Is this a joke? How about the big wigs giving up some of their pay for their hard working developers.

MrBaskerville9d ago

Maybe the CEO could earn his money based on tips.

mastershredder9d ago

good god. The devs are not baristas dude. Total 1% ideals. Fing Chadosaurus.

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