Xbox Console Sales Decline Causing 33% Hardware Revenue Drop; Xbox Live Active Users Grow 33% YoY

Microsoft just released its financial results for fiscal year 2016, ended on June 30th. The full figures can be seen below, and they are firmly in the black. Yet gaming revenue is lower year-on-year due to declining Xbox console sales.

[Thatguy-310]

Curious to see if xbox one s and Scorpio will turn things around for them as far as hardware goes.

[Herbalistic]

Scorpio won't do much being as the mainstream crowd aren't willing to pay a hefty price tag.The upgraded console is aimed more towards hardcore fans that have no issue with paying more $$$ for performance. The Xbox problem is that it needs to expand/become established in other areas outside of the states &uk.

[Cindy-rella]

The xbox scorpio is 15 months away and with playstation getting more market share i dont see xbox gaining back much ground. The xbox one s sales might increase slightly this year because i know microsoft will have some crazy deals where the system might cost a third less of initial asking price. I think in early part of next year the xbox one s will barely sell and ps4 will be selling 3 or 4 times more monthly than the xbox one s. I think a lot of people would rather wait to buy the xbox scorpio at the end of 2017

[Fatal-Aim]

Sounds to me like 1 Xbox one to every 20 people rather than those 20 people just going out to get an Xbox One of their own.

[Kribwalker]

@fatal aim

You only need one gold account per Xbox one, and if you set it up right (like I have) you only need one gold for 2 Xbox ones and everyone gets it

[Fatal-Aim]

@ Kribwalker

That was my entire point earlier. Microsoft said sales declined 33% yet online jumped up year over year. The only explanation for that is more people are using the same Xbox One console rather than each individual running out to get one of their own, hence the 20 people to 1 Xbox One console rather than 20 people to 20 Xbox One consoles.

Do you see now?

[rainslacker]

@Fatal

Except it disregards that active users isn't increased revenue, just MS own metric for measuring how successful XBL is.

MS reported this themselves. Revenue is down 9% for hardware, and the increase in revenue for XBL itself is only 4%....but go on to attribute those gains to higher spending ratios of the users they have. They even say that the decrease in revenue on hardware was only partially made up by the increase in XBL account spending.

One doesn't need an XBox to have an XBL account, and it would appear that revenue for XBL isn't increasing in proportion to the active users...or coming anywhere close.

[itsmebryan]

How much is the hefty price tag of the Scorpio?

[Mr Pumblechook]

'Xbox Live Active Users' includes free accounts and users on Windows 8 + 10 and users on Windows Phone.

These figures don't reveal the gain or loss of paying Xbox Gold subscribers.

[Fatal-Aim]

@ rainslacker

No one is arguing subscriptions, though. Online is either Gold or Silver so long as your console is connected. I'm just giving you the amount of people/accounts to a single Xbox One. LoL! I don't see what's so confusing here.

It seems a lot of you saw something here and ran with it without taking the time to see the bigger picture.

[UltimateMaster]

Anyone surprised by this?
They have announced the Scorpio, so people are going to wait to get that console instead.
Or at the very least the Xbox One S. But my bet is on the Scorpio.

[bouzebbal]

I think we are witnessing the fall of the xbox hardware.. I still think they should remain in gaming as an online service

[Kingoftherodeo]

same thing was said about elite controller and people still went out and bought it

[rainslacker]

@Fatal

Except that the number isn't tied to Xbox One. The number itself is across all the platforms it's available on. That includes X1, Windows, iOS, Droid, and Windows Phone/Tablets. Given the way the numbers are given, with no breakdown for analysis, it's impossible to say that those numbers indicate increased consoles on the market, or that multiple people are using whatever X1's are out there on the market.

It's reasonable to assume that some portion of them are due to more consoles, but the more logical conclusion is that the rather dramatic increase is due to how they've opened up the service to more devices...which IMO is reinforced by the fact that the revenue increase isn't in proportion to the increased users, because in the past, increased console sales tended to see a closer margin between increase users and revenue.

If one were to extrapolate data, if you look at around the holiday last year, it's been assumed that MS is around the 20 something million mark for consoles sold. A 33% increase would indicate that they sold approximately 7 million consoles since the holidays until the end of last month. Given that they haven't been selling consoles at that rate up until now, it's hard to say how much of that number is tied to console sales. Although, you aren't wrong, it could also mean more subs per a single system, but logically, it's hard to imagine it's such a great amount as you posit.

[IamTylerDurden1]

The problem IS that xbox doesn't care about anything outside of NA, but it's also the fact that they just don't invest in 1st party studios. They roll out the same milked franchises every yr and expect it to be enough.

[wellard]

Ill be getting the Scorpio and I don't consider myself hardcore at all. I still haven't picked up a second console to sit with my ps4 yet. When it drops, getting the Scorpio is a no brainer for me as it would seem silly to get the less powerful version especially considering how fantastic games look nowadays. I think the Scorpio will help out the Xbox division massively. We didn't get that huge generational leap with the one/ps4 (uncharted 4 aside) I think plenty of people are hoping the Scorpio scratches that itch.

[PhilSpincer]

They will obviously see some sales from the Xbox one S. Although I think that most of the sales will come from previous Xbox one owners who will buy the system again.

Xbox isn't going to be bringing in many new customers anytime soon.

[curtis92]

Basing this comment on an article title I saw a few weeks back: They need to start selling games and stop trying to sell the box/brand.

[Letthewookiewin]

There's no saving that sinking ship. Mediocre system and mediocre exclusives will get you mediocre sales.

[Kribwalker]

"CFO Amy Hood clarified that lower unit sales are mostly related to Xbox 360 and lower pricing to Xbox One"

[RememberThe357]

I'm not really an Xbone hater, but I have to agree, the system has been a hugedisappoint for me on almost every level.

[Ulf]

If I was buying games today, I think I'd prefer to be buying them for my future Scorpio, over the PS4 Neo, which I won't be buying.

I wouldn't could the XBox One out just yet. It's not so different from the PS4 that people won't continue to choose it, knowing that the games they buy are going to work great on their Scorpio.

[mouzone]

there is a big difference between ps4 outselling the xbox and it being a sinking ship

[LastCenturyRob]

mediocre exclusives? what planet do you live on!?

[fiveby9]

I can see why perhaps MS announced Scorpio so soon. They knew the hardware sales numbers were declining rapidly and hope by announcing so early to stem that tide.

[rainslacker]

@five

I can't see how it would stem the tide. If anything, it would cannibalize their X1S sales.

I feel the announcements was more to stem whatever hype and sales that Sony would get with it's own Neo, and potentially PS4 Slim because, at least from MS perspective, if the Scorpio is more powerful, and the concepts of game uniformity remain the same, people may prefer to wait it out.

MS threw out a big impressive number to get people interested, and they hope that it will be enough for the time being to curb anything that Sony could bring with Neo. Sony could obviously announce more features to get people interested, but MS kept enough in it's back pocket to counter that should it be needed.

It's a good business move to counter whatever may come from Sony's Neo announcement and offerings. Not sure how it will affect the X1S though, as that could go either way. Kind of a precarious situation MS was in in this regard, because they want to counter what Sony is supposedly releasing soon, but don't want to take away from X1 sales overall until they are ready with Scorpio. If they waited, and Sony's Neo took off in a big way, then it puts them in the same position they are now, where PS is so strong, they have no chance of evening out the discrepancy.

[Kribwalker]

"CFO Amy Hood clarified that lower unit sales are mostly related to Xbox 360 and lower pricing to Xbox One"

What I find nuts is that MS Profit for last year was almost Half of the total market value of Sony ($16.9 billion profit, $38billion total market valued for Sony)

[DarkHeroZX]

Lol yeah its easy to look at them both and say that but i can assure you gaming had nothing to do with it.

[Ashlen]

That's PR talk, the 360 has been selling less than 10,000 units per month globally for over a year. You can't make me believe that really effected the over all hardware sales that much.

[rainslacker]

Without number of units sold, it's hard to say if that's a misdirection, or a major factor. I find it hard to believe that 9% of their revenue was from 360 sales, as they've taken a dive, and while the X1 price drop was greater than 9%, it would stand to reason that if it did something to increase actual unit sales, that revenue would be made up through those increased sales. I'm willing to say it was certainly a factor to consider though, but it shows that people interested in older systems aren't moving onto the X1, and now MS has nothing that will cater to that roughly 9% of the market they claim exists.

The increase in XBL users looks impressive, but the revenue gains from it are nowhere near in proportion to what one would expect for an increased user base, meaning that much of those XBL active users are either non-paying users, or that a great number of them aren't X1 users, or purchasing games/products through said account.

[thisgamer503]

@rainslacker

I'm willing to bet the increase in xbl users is new win10 users who happen to use the Xbox app which automatically creates a xbl silver account and attaches it to your MS account.

SNEAKY SNEAKY

[leoms]

What I find nuts is that you think that MS profit was made by Xbox, lol. Good damage control though.

[Kribwalker]

@leoms

At what point did I say games div? Ms Profits 2016 = 44% of total Sony market value.

[kayoss]

next up on Xbox fans to do list when Xbox one s and Scorpio are released.
1. Graphic suddenly matter again
2. Number of consoles sold suddenly matter again
3. Power suddenly matter again
4. The size of the console suddenly matter again

[donthate]

and to other fans:

1. Graphics suddenly doesn't matter again
2. Number of consoles sold suddenly doesn't matter again
3. Power doesn't matter again
4. The size of the console doesn't matter again

It works both ways!

[trooper_]

If Halo and Gears couldn't do it, then the S and Scorpio isn't going to cut it.

[corroios]

The problem here is that the Xbox One is much cheaper then the PS4. Microsoft is already very agressive with the price, but they dont have the results.

[StanLee]

The problem is the XBox One S leaked months ago and was expected given the previous generation's cycle. Why anyone would buy an XBox One over the last 4 months is beyond me.

[Ashlen]

Well to be fair the Neo was leaked way before Xbox Slim or Scorpio yet PS4 sales have stayed strong.

[butchertroll]

Problem is, those a financial results Q4 are from March till end of June and the whole year ( till end of June ). It has nothing to do with Xbone S.

[Godmars290]

Wouldn't that equate to increased sales?

Maybe they're losing sales because they don't have the exclusives?

[_-EDMIX-_]

Why? People purchase platforms to play games not merely just blindly purchase platforms unless something in their software catalog changes I don't see that changing

[hirobrotagonist]

That's a big reason why the hardware sales are down. Why would anyone buy the current xbox one with the new systems coming out? I'm not talking about Scorpio either, I'm talking about the S.

[King_Lothric]

These are results for a whole fiscal year. Can't use the xbox S or Scorpio excuse here since these results are not only of June 2016, where both console were revealed.

[oakshin]

Not a single person I know has a clue about the new consoles but me

[Gamer92MMM]

That is expected , really curious what Scorpio might do once it is lunched

[Salooh]

True, really hope ms saw it coming before doing it. Slim and even scorpio will only help a bit but in the end they are moving to software business , hardware is really irrelevant to them now. If they didn't do this in purpose then they are too stupid lol...

What's sad is that they are already weak in term of software compared to other platforms, why would people buy games from their store except for their few games?. Hope they step up with that for everyone benefit. The only benefit for them now is that their games will get more sales from pc players. That's it...

[rainslacker]

I don't think Scorpio or X1S had much to do with their prior fiscal year. The timing doesn't match up to show such a large revenue drop for hardware itself, and dropping the 360 didn't even happen until about halfway through the fiscal year.

Most of the rumors, and even the announcement for Scorpio itself weren't even in the press, and certainly not the mainstream press, until about a month before the end of the fiscal year.

That being said, I'm extremely curious about how well both Neo and Scorpio will do. Not so much because it's a console war thing, or think that one will have a major impact on install bases or their discrepencies, but rather because it's a new paradigm for the console hardware, software, development, and consumer market, and I really would like to see the results just to see how the general consumer will feel about such things. It's something that's hard to ascertain by reading hardcore gaming forums, because we tend to not always represent the general market.

I've speculated enough based on the rumors, now it's just a waiting game to see how it all turns out.

[SpaceRanger]

My educated conclusion is that them not investing in diverse exclusives last gen is what's caused this. Nintendo has always had Mario and others as its continued exclusives, but they didn't innovate much and had an extremely underpowered console this gen.

Sony had numerous exclusives and closed off the PS3 gen with games like TLOU (which is still considered to this day as one of the best games of all time).

MS has high quality exclusives. But Halo, Gears and Forza cannot do it alone. Especially when new IPs aren't embraced by the fanbase (which is clearly made up of people who primarily like shooters and racers of all types).

Unfortunately I don't see new hardware changing this. Not even Scorpio. You can have the most powerful console in history. But if you don't have the games coming in all year long every year, then it's just a muscle car without gas.

Don't agree with me? Feel free to comment with valid points and facts to refute my thoughts and analysis.

[ONESHOTV2]

dude dont act like exclusives sell consoles like third party does. and BTW TLOU isn't that great if it was i would have bought it the day it came out on the ps3 as you have said not many people are interested in halo or gears well i can say i have no interest in naughty dog games are you going to call me a fanboy for that lol i own every ps console since the PS1 so no i can't be a fanboy for another group. i'm just saying the ps4 has exclusives so why have i not bought one yet ? simple i have no interest in the games that's on the ps4 right now. PSN ID is sniperbsr if you think i'm lying.

[kayoss]

How the hell do you know it's not a good game if you've never bought it and played it?
So a game is only considered really good only if you've bought it? GTFO. The majority of gamers and critic said this game was one of the best game last generation, but I guess since you didn't buy it, it's all non sense right?
Just because you have no interest in this game or any other exclusives, doesn't mean that it's not a good game.
This is the point many gamers are making, Xbox rely on too much of their three franchises, halo, gear of war, and Forza. The guy moldybread who comment below mentioned Xbox fitness, minecraft, and dance central. Serious? If that's what floats your boat then go for it.

[ONESHOTV2]

kayossi---- i have seen enough game play for me to decide the TLOU and the uncharted series is just not for me i do give them more respect for the last of us though becuase at least it's an original story and not a copy from other games and movies. and again you are saying MS uses the same three games but what do you hear sony fans call out the most uncharted the last of us and god of war if you ask any ps fan they would tell you those games are the ones that define playstation right now so what's the hate MS uses three games as you said and sony does the same thing. i'm glad i moved to pc a few years ago you won't hear crap like this some children fighting over who box uses the same three games the most. again dont take this as a bashing or whatever you guy want to call it it's just my opinion so respect that at least

[rainslacker]

Whether you feel TLOU was good or not is really rather irrelevant to if a company has compelling exclusives or not.

If you look at it from the point of view of general market perception, it really is Sony who is known to have more compelling exclusives. Things like UC, TLOU, Infamous, GT, GOW, LBP, etc, all resonate with a broad and diverse group of the consumer base. Add in things like all those niche Japanese games, more pronounced casual support, and a general message that seems more about the games instead of just some hyperbole about the best line ups, it leads to more market awareness and appreciation for the brand itself.

MS itself doesn't have bad 1st party exclusives. In fact, I think most of their AAA first/second party offerings are quite good. QB, IMO, was probably the worst they had to offer, and it was still a good game overall. Some don't appeal to me personally, but I'm objective enough to see why they'd appeal to a great number of people, and on a technical level, they are usually up there in quality.

But here's how it is. Last gen, 360 made a name for itself by offering compelling software you couldn't get anywhere else. GeOW was revolutionary to many at the time. Halo was extremely popular only to get better on the 360. Forza was a real contender against GT. Mass Effect was extremely compelling. BioShock was extremely compelling. And the list goes on. MS didn't have to keep stating they had the best line up, they did have the best line up for quite some time, and they let the games do the talking.

Now, they rely on those staples heavily, which is fine, it's something people will want. But at the same time, they aren't really offering the software that is compelling and that resonates with the user. Their staples, while popular, do not have the same market draw that they once did, and they're nothing new in terms of compelling software. It's a been there, done that, kind of thing.

OTOH, you look at Sony, and their been there done that games show marked improvement and increases in "wow factor" that we aren't seeing from MS. GOW not only looked amazing, but showed that the game was becoming more than it was before. Infamous:SS while not being much of an advancement on the game, still had technical advancements to what was presented that were impressive in the consoles early life. UC4 was just a technical masterpiece, and being ND, promised to deliver a compelling story in a big way...which I feel it mostly did. GT:Sport is offering up something new to the series with it's FIA tie in. Until Dawn was a sleeper hit, but pushed the interactive drama medium forward. Horizon is just all sorts of awesome, and is extremely compelling. Even PlayRoom is extremely popular among the casuals, and the hardcore that have a camera can even get into it.

As far as TLOU. Just the fact that it's rumored to be getting a sequel on PS4 is enough to drive interest in the PS4.

A single exclusive isn't likely to sell a system to the point of being a major contender. Even the so called system sellers are only short term in the grand scheme of things. But when a company offers up a wide range of compelling exclusives in 1st party, and gets tons of other more diverse offerings through 3rd party exclusives by default, it's going to have an effect on the overall sales, and more relevant to your comment, a positive effect on actual market perception.

You can scream at the top of your lungs that MS is better. That the games on PS4 suck. That PS4 has no games. Or anything else you want to to try and downplay the overall effect the software line up is having. But when it comes to other people's wallets, they can make up their own mind, and for the most part, they are.

[freshslicepizza]

sea of thieves, scalebound, recore, ori and the blind forest, sunset overdrive, minecraft, zoo tycoon, xbox fitness, dance central, dead rising, ryse, killer instinct, halo wars, project spark, forza horizon, and we happy few are not diverse enough?

[sammarshall102]

PS4 started out selling very well when they didn't have software like Bloodborne and Uncharted 4 yet

It was due to having more power, being cheaper, and the DRM debacle

[thisgamer503]

^ this

[Moe-Gunz]

It's was because price and it being PlayStation. PS is established WW and has been known to be a platform where diverse games is embraced and great exclusives will be on.

NPD last generation made people forget that world wide PS has always been a beast.

[butchertroll]

PlayStation is a global brand, not local like Xbone where US and UK are the main market for Xbone. Still PS4 beat Xbone there too.

[Trez1234]

Playstation is a worldwide product. In Europe playstation is the place to play and has been for a very long time. You guys need to travel and the reality will probably shock you. Xbox is very niche in Europe and that's the simple truth.

[joeorc]

@sammarshall102
"It was due to having more power, being cheaper, and the DRM debacle"

It was due to Games!
Again you and others still think , it's only selling based on the problems of perception on the Xbox one had, so those perception based myths allowed Sony to exploit a perceived advantage over the Xbox one, and that fans kept pointing out those percieved flaws in the Xbox one in reality ..many still think this so called PS4 power advantage exists, so the Xbox one has not sold as much because of all the FUD thrown at Microsoft's way.

The Problem is Even right Now with Quote the greatest line up of games in Xbox history two Christmas seasons alone in a row , has not convinced people to buy the system..than you have more of a problem than just Percieved less unit sales because of FUD being thrown on internet forums by gamers with not attention of ever giving Microsoft's platform a chance, but goes out of their way to hurt the platforms image.

It's been a not a problem of power or FUD that has allowed Sony to sell more PlayStation systems over the Xbox..if you still think it does , you really do miss the Mark.

[trooper_]

Wrong on both accounts.

[xxCaveman_88xx]

Sony has established a brand for 20 years on exclusives, quality and innovation. That's why playstation is successful because gamers can trust sony to support its products. MS ended support for the first Xbox early, faulty hardware with the 360, and abandonment of hardcore gamers at the end of the 360 life cycle. Sony ended last gen with momentum and MS pushed games from 360 to the one. Satisfied customers is what sells future consoles.

[UltraNova]

@space
You know I cant understand the fact that some people get on the 'most powerfull console ever' hype train regarding the Scorpio so easily...

I mean wasnt the OG xbox the most powerful conslole ever back when it launched?

Wasnt the xbox 360 the most powerful console again for a whole year?

Wasnt the xb1 supposed to be supercharged by the cloud, dx12 and other secret black ops tech x4 x20 etc?

How did all those cases ended up?

I dont like being cynical but some people force it out of me.

People wake the hell up. The Scorpio will be the most powerful console until the ps5 comes out.

Does it mean it will actually get a win over PS in the long run? History shows us a huge NO. So lets calm down and wait untill both next gen consoles are out and in full steam then start boarding the damn hype train, at least then you would know that it actually goes somewhere for sure.

[ONESHOTV2]

that's a heavy drop but they will make it back in software there is always a winning and losing when it comes to selling things to consumers.

[QuickdrawMcgraw]

I find it strange that the console born on half truths....And has released the least amount of high end exclusives...find that their sales have bottom out....But I am sure the MS will splice the Xbox1 and the Scorpio sales together to make it look like they were actually a player this gen...Even though it will be the mostly the same people owning both systems....

[starchild]

Of course they are a player. Selling 50% as much as the market leader is nothing to scoff at.

I think some of you don't realize how relatively unusual the situation we had last generation truly is. The Xbox 360 and PS3 selling neck and neck like that is not the norm. It hasn't usually been that way in gaming and it isn't like that in many other markets either.

For example, Apple only has around a 14% share of the global smartphone market, up against the 83% share Android has, but nobody would say Apple isn't a player in the smartphone market.

Compare that to the console market, with the PlayStation 4 having 54% market share, the Xbox One with 28%, and the Wii U 18%. http://n4g.com/news/1901397...

The Xbox One is definitely a player. Hell, even the Wii U is a player with its 18% market share.

It seems a lot of people here suffer from binary thinking. I see examples of this all the time. A console is either a runaway success or it's dying. A game is either awesome or it sucks. You buy a console to play new games and not old. And countless other examples. In truth, though, the world is rarely so black or white.

All three major platform holders are doing fine and will likely be a part of the gaming landscape for years to come.

[FGHFGHFGH]

Apple is the only one selling iphones. Android phones are sold by many companies, with samsung selling the most with 23%. So Apple was the 2nd highest next to samsung. Comparing android sales to Apple sales is not the same as consoles sales..

[Livecustoms]

Hardware decreasing and Software increasing, just as i expected.

[Fullmetalevolust]

Retailers are making bundles of the console that are very appealing, so I'm, not sure why it's not selling. On my end, it has to do with a lack of games I want to play and others are already on PS4. Xbox need to focus on developing a variety of IP's, not releasing a new iteration of a console that seems to lack mainstream appeal.

[rightway]

This has nothing to do with xbox one sales. Its the drop in revenue as the 360 is know longer been bought and xbox one being sold at a lower cost. Its the loss to MS by not selling its xbox one at full price.

They have increased their xbox live users to 49 million, very impressive number.

[Jamaicangmr]

This must have been their plan I can see no actions that is indicative of the opposite. If not then God help them.

[rightway]

CFO Amy Hood clarified that lower unit sales are mostly related to Xbox 360 and lower pricing to Xbox One). I don't know how Dualshockers can post this as being Xbox Console Sales Decline its false information.

[Bodi79]

Well it´s typically DualShockers. As you correctly wrote it is a revenue decline and NOT an Console Sales Decline (/because of selling less consoles) , the just don´t earn that much from them anymore because of lower pricing. MS/Xbox is number two this time around but they still sell consoles and have a huge chunk of software revenue. Time will tell what the shift into new (refreshed) console Hardware will bring...

[marioJP87]

Pretty sure people are holding off for X1 S.

[Errorist76]

The weekly sales gap has increased to 3:1 for almost half a year now.

[DFresh]

That's because a lot of people are waiting for Scorpio.

[leoms]

And the Neo?

[DFresh]

Yes that too but no one knows when Neo is coming out.

[i3eyond the Circle]

The desperation above to downplay Xbox is hilarious.

Both consoles and will stagnate at 80mil+ with software being neck and neck no matter who has the lead with Xbox even taking home the software lead with unified Windows 10.

The doom and gloom perspective is a flawed one this leads directly to a point that I've been flagged for explaining.

With Scorpio on the Horizon and Resolution articles no longer being a talking point. Sales and software (which shouldn't be one since Xbox with half the install base sells almost as much as doubled install base ps4) will be the new shoved down Xbox fans throats talking point.

[leoms]

So facts become desperation now. Interesting. You happen to read the article before you comment?

[kayoss]

If you want to talk software, ps4 is outselling the xbox1 in every multiplatform games almost 2:1. So software will not be neck and neck.

[FreddyFazbear]

Looking at the comments you guys overlooked why the sales are down. Because xbox one bo longer have exclusives!. Its on windows 10 and there are alot of core gamers who have a gaming pc and thanks to ms strategy they no longer need to buy xbone. Plus the xbox s and scorpio are coming out and they have their heavy hitters on the holidays. So whats the incentive??

[ONESHOTV2]

FreddyFazbear---- your comment is so wrong but that's not the point why can't you people on this site respect each other ? you know i would have have you a little respect if you had not written xbone i didnt know that's the name MS gave it's platform i thought it was XBOX ONE. or where you trying to be funny

[ONESHOTV2]

FreddyFazbear------"What is ms your girlfriend??" no i don't own any MS products except for windows 10 so where do you see a fanboy

[ONESHOTV2]

FreddyFazbear 3h ago----- "please be more intelligible and your english is not even good"

wow here comes the childish comment i guess you didnt have anything better to say. i will give you advice this to time so listen if you have nothing good or logical to say dont click the reply button. another thing would you smart enough to click on the profile and then look at my bio i dont own any MS product except for windows 10 so please keep the fanboy talk where it belongs that's in your head so no one else can see it.

[King_Lothric]

I just hope that no one use the excuse of "this is happening because xbox S and Scorpio was revealed" because these results are for a whole fiscal year and not only of June, where both consoles were revealed.

[thisgamer503]

If that's what you hope then clearly you haven't bothered reading any previous comments before making your own.

[mochachino]

I have a PS4 but game mostly on my PC. If MS actually implements this cross-buy and cross-play strategy well with every title, I would definitely do everything in my power to get my console friends (all PS4 users) to get a Scorpio next time around.

The smartest thing for MS to do though would allow PC owners to buy an xbox on their PC that played all the games but took advantage of PC hardware (minimum specs could be on the subscription card or site but I'm sure a 480 or 1060 would suffice). No live subscription needed but the price for buying xbox on your PC? Well, $60 a year of course.

But they'd need a lot better exclusives than what they've got. Halo would entice millions though but they need much more than that. Sony is destroying them in that department.

[jairusmonillas]

PC gamers uses Steam and most MS pc games are not really that interesting to PC gamers. PC gamers play Dota 2, LoL, Counter Strike, Hearthstone, Overwatch, Online rpgs, more moba games. That kind of games is something MS doesn't have.

[Errorist76]

Problem is GFWL 2..PC gamers refuse to use it.

[Artemidorus]

People are buying second hand

[jairusmonillas]

Xbox One Scorpio is late to the party because PS5 is just around the corner after next year. lol

[starchild]

I don't think there is any way Sony would make the mistake of releasing the PS5 too soon after the Neo. When I invest in the Neo I expect to get a good few years out of it before the next Sony console comes along.

[Errorist76]

Nah..NEO will release later this year and PS5 in 2019. Still only 2 years after Scorpio and most likely way more powerful again. Bad timing for MS.

[Lbolt187]

this is just a drop in an ocean to MS. they're killing it in the cloud business. Xbox if I recall is the smallest revenue stream for them though I could be wrong. sony and Ninty are also killing it as of late, which is good cause their stock is heavily influenced by the gaming sector. All 3 are kicking ass and taking names. good times to be a gamer.

[Christopher]

That's great. How well they are doing in cloud and business licensing as well as how small Xbox is to them as a company is totally what I want to hear about as a gamer...

[showtimefolks]

Spin it any way you want but excuses are running out for why Xbox one isn't selling as well as ps4

Wait for halo 5 they said
Wait for the greatest exclusive lineup in history they said
Wait for $299 they said
Wait for the DA CLOUDZ they said

Now it's why would anyone buy a Xbox one when Xbox s is coming. In the month of August ps4 will outsell the Xbox one and that's the month Xbox s is coming out. What will be the excuse than? Wait for another 15 months for Xbox Scorpio?

Fact of the matter is PlayStation is a bigger,better and more know world wide brand. Xbox is big in few territories and that's it. Ms has done a poor job of really making Xbox one brand bigger and now with ten whole play anywhere Xbox brand becomes even bigger

Also to those of you saying Xbox live is where ms makes its money while it's true don't forget the fact they like Sony have to pay publishers to offer games for Xbox live gold

The only reason xbox360 stayed ahead was because of RROD so many gamers had to buy new Xbox 360 consoles because for a little bit ms didn't even admit RROD being a problem

But don't worry Xbox fan base had been quite awesome and great at coming up with more excuses on why and when Xbox one will sell better so keep up the great work

[zerocarnage]

I'm surprised to see people are still like wow over ms console sales not being as good as the rest. It's like you don't see that they have a multitude of pots of coins that make them money and while they take a loss from consoles they make a lot more from there other God knows how many profiting ventures attached to the Xbox one.

Ms have that many side profiteering ventures going on that after all this time you lot who still say there console failed can't see how really it's actually been a success. Ms didn't get into the consoles business just to sell consoles to make money, it's all there side deals and how all there brand which pulls together that makes the money in the end for them.

Ms Xbox brand is like hydra, it has many heads and continues to grow and just because one head isn't pulling it's weight, the way they have created the brand, makes the whole things a very good success. Yeah true it would help and ms would love a console that dominates, who knows with the new consoles, they're very powerful and that's what people wanted. Ms would just need to concentrate on a more diversity of games now they have the most powerful console on the market coming out next year.

If ms could announce a whole new lineup of games up until next year, till Scorpio releases, could be a turn around for ms. Games that are not racers or fps games,a selection of jrpg's and mmo's, bringing back some genres that have not seen the light on Xbox for a while, like rts could all possibly turn a console sales round.

It's obvious to see now with scakebound, crackdown and other games being pulled back, well now we know why because they have been saved for Xbox scorpio. If I was ms I would certainly put a game of choice with Scorpio like scalebound or crackdown, having one of those two games as a package deal on release would be an amazing deal for the gamer and ms. Both crackdown and scalebound are multiplayer, both new franchises and both using directx12 and all the latest dev tools, so it's speaks for itself to pair them with the Xbox Scorpio.

I'll stay with Xbox anyway, because it's cheaper for me to buy a digital game and share it between two xbox's with my son, two copys for one price is always ace, plus Xbox live , one live for two machines even though live is on my machine on my own gamertag and my son has seperate tag and can still play online games. Gaming to me has never been so affordable once the machine has been brought.

[hirobrotagonist]

I really prefer my PS4 over my xbox one mostly because of the console exclusives and the better graphics in the multi-platform exclusives, but I can't understand why everyone here is shitting on Microsoft so much when they're trying to do so many things right to make everyone happy..

[Godmars290]

Wonder if they're making money through non-user methods. Ad revenue based on traffic?

[Hardiman]

You know I enjoyed the original Xbox a lot. Games like Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Empire, Fable, Ninja Gaiden, Stranger's Wrath, Halo, Halo 2, Otogi and Otogi 2 were some of my favorites. Of course I also gamed on the PS2 and we all know how great that system was. Then came the 360 and I wound up owning seven of those due to the infamous red ring of death. I was late to getting the PS3 but when the first slim model came out I got one and picked up Resistance 1 and 2, Uncharted and a few others and I was completely blown away. The last game for the Xbox brand that I played and enjoyed was Alan Wake and as the new generation was rolling out I was excited for news on the new Playstation and Xbox. I had always had multiple systems in previous generations and I was expecting to do the same this time. Well at least until Microsoft's 2013 E3 conference. I remember where I was when I saw that dreadful presentation. I had just sold a Toyota and got online to check out E3 and by the time I was done watching their presentation my mouth was on the floor. I couldn't believe how arrogant they were and all these new policies that they were putting in place. It just really pissed me off to be honest. It would seem that I wasn't the only person that felt that way either as the system has struggled along this gen. I'm not anti Xbox so to speak, but in all honesty I've spent enough money on the brand over the years to speak my mind and my children are getting older and one is getting ready for college so money is tighter so with how they rolled out the Xbox One it made my decision to only own one system this time easier. I hope they learn from their mistakes and next time think before they speak or the same thing will happen again. Competition is good and it keeps companies on their toes so in the end we the consumers win. I mean the results speak for themselves.

[FallenAngel1984]

This has me thinking. If Xbox One sales aren't as high as Microsoft would like to them to be where they would be proud enough to give us actual hardware numbers, how would Scorpio prove to accelerate sales when current price cuts and deals don't seem to be doing much?

[MagicBeanz]

I'm sure anything I say will just be labeled as "inappropriate" at this point.

[Inzo]

The poor Xbox sales should actually be concerning Sony as well seeing that they are one of the major stakeholders of Blu-ray and if Xbox1 isnt selling well then Blu-ray in the Xbox1 isnt selling well. Anyway, this was sort of predictable. I think the Scorpio will launch much sooner than anticipated.

[Gwynbleidd]

Ah, the quarterly "doom and gloom for Xbox" comment section is in town. Is it that time of the year already.

[Max-Zorin]

The Xbox division would rather die, than establish more studios and new IP's.

[emty]

I guess it couldn't be the fact that the console price has gone down by the same 30%... another click-wench topic.

[TRS_Gear]

I wonder if there is an correlation with this decline in sales and the announcement of the S and Scorpio...

Plus the 33% growth of XBL users shows that there isn't really a problem to speak of.

[Angerfist]

The increase in active users is from Win10 I'm sure.

[Major_Glitch]

This generation belongs to Sony.

[SaveFerris]

When the S releases, could there be a boost in sales of the Xbox One as retailers try to sell off the remaining stock?

[LordMaim]

Force enough people to upgrade to Windows 10 and Xbox Live active users increases. What are the odds?

[donwel]

Well this is what happens when you announce that you're releasing new hardware after being for rumoured for nearly a year. People won't buy your hardware when they know it will be rendered obsolete in the next 12 months.

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

i was excited for the xb1s until i realized that there's nothing on it that i really want to play... xbl isn't the worth the subscription for me right now if i got one. i think gears would be the only reason i'd want one right now, but i'm not spending all that money for one game. mebe when scalebound comes out.