PlayStation Neo Might Be More Powerful Than You Think

Sony's own Jim Ryan might be hinting at a more powerful PlayStation Neo console that initial leaks suggest.

[JMaine518]

Scorpio comparisons aside, I hope this is true just for the sake of having an even more powerful PS4. Give it to me now!

[Kingthrash360]

Power doesn't really matter to me when the ps4 has super inhuman talented 1st party devs. ...that's said it will be amazing to see what they can do with the extra horsepower.
What good is extra power without the talent to utilize it.

[ShadowKnight]

I Agree 😊

[StormLegend]

Agreed!

[dirkdady]

If neo is priced at $399 launch price of ps4 pretty sure they will come out with a high end more costly model for the hardcore crowd that could match or surpass Scorpio. With devs treating theses iterations as scalable hardware I wouldn't be suppressed by such a move.

[SCW1982]

Nailed it!

[PizzaSteve]

Yeah agree. MS can throw out a more powerful console but what good is it without dedicated 1st party devs and exclusives.

[Dabigkahuna76]

Name them

[Thatguy-310]

EXACTLY! If this is all specs war Pc has been winning and will continue to do so. But like you said What's the point of having so much power when you don't have the exclusives games to show it. Regardless of how powerful the neo would be we are more than positive that Sony's first party studio will do magic with what they're given. Look at freaking GoW, Uncharted 4, Horizon etc. and you'll see that what they make is beautifully crafted with whatever power they're given.

[tulholdren]

I agree loving what Sony devs have been doing and seeing what is coming in the works makes things just all good.

[jessionpc]

How long have you been a gamer? This gen, maybe the later part of the last gen?...

I'm just curious, because so far this generation has been, "FACTUALLY", the worst generation.

Almost no exclusives, most exclusives are 1 time playthroughs, timed exclusives, unfinished games, broken games...

Remember the Nes, Snes, N64, PS1, PS2?... Remember how they had like, 20+ must have legend exclusives a year?

What does ps4 have that is a legend and a must this gen?

Bloodborne?... 2.5 years in!... NICE! ...And no, U4 is not a must have, nor is it a legend, nor will it be remembered as. It's a great game for sure, but it took no risks and the only bar it rose was in blending movie/game into 1.

Rain those down votes on me lads, it just paints a big ass, "oblivious", all over yer faces.

Edit: OH!... And I forgot. That goes for ALL consoles, "including pc", this generation as well... Bunch of arcade games, 2.5 hour interactive movies and dudebro shooters that never put their IP to rest...

[Errorist76]

Shut it Jessy. You're just a PC fanboy anyway. I game on console and PC and I have far more great games than I can play! Maybe you're just too old.

[WilliamSheridan]

I hear ya... Second Son was a masterpiece! Killzone will go down in history as the greatest ever without having had any controversy! Knack, oh my God. Words can't explain how incredible this game was! Can't wait for Knack 2: Knick

[madpuppy]

Your statement reminds me of Thulsa Doom's interpretation of "The Riddle of Steel"

After Conan seeks out the group that murdered his people, Doom explains to him, "Steel isn't strong, boy. Flesh is stronger. Look around you." Thulsa motions to some of the thousands of followers surrounding his mountain who worship him as the mouthpiece of God. He points up to the top of a cliff, "There, on the rocks, that beautiful girl." He motions to the girl, "Come to me, my child." The girl steps off the cliff and falls to her death. "That is strength, boy. That is power: the strength and power of flesh. What is steel compared to the hand that wields it? Look at the strength of your body, the desire in your heart. I give you this ...such a waste. Contemplate this on the tree of woe. Crucify him."

[WelkinCole]

Agree. Gamers never buy consoles depending on power. I mean has anyone heard anyone ask for terraflops as a basis for their console purchase?

It has always been what games the console has and especially if it has the games you want to play on it. Sometimes it is which console has the best rated games people are talking about , the most games and or the most varied games catalog.

In the end people must remember that the reason why people buy games console is to play games. Not because it has the most tf.

The reason why power has never won any console gen is because it has never been an important factor to console buyers.

After games the other big factors for console gamers are price and now getting more prominence is which console has your friends online. In fact online gaming features is more important than console power for decision to purchase which console.

Console power if we really think about is really the very last reason anyone buys a console.

Heck even the console controller and how the console looks is more prominent to gamers than power as I have seen people take these two in consideration for their console purchase.

[Kingthrash360]

How long have I been a gamer?
Since I was 1. My pops <--- (still a gamer at 70) passed the torch (an unplugged atari controller) got me hooked likely before you were born. I have had every system except the Sega expansions (32×, cd) but literally every console but thos. That means tg16, gg, even neo geo, hell I still have a neo geo pocket bro. I know great devs when I see them....tbh nintendo has the most talent even though they barley put games out anymore....but when they do its always well made. Sony is now a close second...ND are the all time greats tho they overall are the best dev team period...not an opinion, fact. They are proven. MS clearly has the weakest set of 1st party devs....they do have talent but they are stuck doing halo and gears....as soon as 343 are allowed to make a game they want to make they will have a better library. If that ever happens.
Oh and before you say it....that isn't Rare. Rare left long ago.

[Corpser]

Neo is not for people that buy ps4 for its exclusives, it's for people that want to play battlefront/battlefield/cod etc in better settings so they don't jump to PC mid generation, Sony already said so

[Haru]

Yup

I love Sony exclusive more than any other games, all the game that I want to play are only avalabile on playstation 4 and that' what makes PS4 so great for me!

[starchild]

I hear a lot of people saying power doesn't matter now, but that's just not true. Power has always mattered.

It's not an either/or kind of choice. Just because other things like games matter doesn't mean that power doesn't matter.

Every generation I've seen that power matters. The most powerful console each generation might not always sell the best, since there are other factors people care about too, but more power has always helped a console sell better than it would have without the power advantage.

I'm convinced a big part of why the 360 sold on par with the PS3, despite Sony's history in the industry and their stable of first party developers, is the fact that the 360 almost always outperformed the PS3 in multiplat games.

And this generation I think the reason the PS4 has sold so well is because of several factors all lining up in its favor:
1. Longstanding brand with a strong following.
2. A great lineup of exclusives.
3. The most powerful console with the best versions of multiplat games.

Needless to say, a large part of what attracts people to the PC too is that it offers the best graphics and best framerates for games.

And if you think about it.. if power doesn't matter then what in the world is the Neo for? It plays the exact same games as the PS4. People would just stick to the cheaper PS4 if power didn't matter. If the Neo ends up selling like gangbusters what are you guys going to say then?

[morganfell]

@feju,

Sony is well in the lead. They do not need to combat anything. And the reason they didn't announce a console 4 months out WAS SO THEY COULD STAY IN THE LEAD AND NOT CAUSE PS4 SALES TO DROP UNTIL NEO IS RELEASED.

It doesn't matter what the horsepower is of NEO or any other console, Generations are not won and lost by power. Not even a major portion of the victory or defeat is dependent upon power. It is about games and message. Any company that thinks building a more powerful console will get them a win has been played, thoroughly and masterfully outmaneuvered. They are chasing their ego while some other hardware manufacturer destroys the distracted company.

Whatever form factor Sony announces, at least when they show it, the case size will be the case size of the production unit.

[WelkinCole]

@starchild. You are like a child. I don't know how many times I have explained this to you.

Power never won any console holder any generation. Even now with the PS4 it is not power why it has won.

Do you honestly believe that the main reason why the PS4 has been selling well everywhere is because it has more power and not because its a more global brand?. Have you ever head any Europeans or Asians say they are buying the PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4 because of power?.

The PS3 is more powerful than the x360. The only reason why the x360 perform better for multi-plats is because it was leading 3rd party console for dev because it came out 1 year before the PS3 and the PS3 was harder to dev for. Get your facts straight.

No one is saying power is not important as that is dumb. Thats like saying that graphics is not important and we should continue to play atari days graphics. The point is power is not the most important thing as you xbox fans are thinking now with Scorpio for success.

[Cha0tik]

agreed... more power doesn't matter if you don't have the talent to utilize it.

[starchild]

@ WelkinCole

Thanks for the insults. But I think you must be thinking of someone else. You have never explained anything to me (not that your explanation makes much sense anyway) nor am I an Xbox fan. I'm just a realist. I don't own any Xbox and I don't plan on getting one. That's not what this is about. It's just funny to see all the fanboy camps constantly flip-flopping on this. They hype up power advantages when their favorite console has one and downplay the importance of power when their console isn't the most powerful. It's ridiculous to see. Power matters, period.

"Power never won any console holder any generation. Even now with the PS4 it is not power why it has won."

You have no evidence to back up either of those statements. The PS4 is the most powerful console this gen and it is also the best selling one. The SNES was more powerful than the Genesis and it soundly beat the latter console in sales. So sometimes the most powerful consoles sell the best and sometimes they don't. Nobody ever said that power is ALL that matters or that it is the sole determiner of sales, only that it does matter. The fact that weaker consoles sometimes outsell more powerful consoles does not prove that power doesn't matter, it only proves that it isn't all that matters.

"Do you honestly believe that the main reason why the PS4 has been selling well everywhere is because it has more power and not because its a more global brand?"

That's a straw man. I never said that power is the main reason it has sold well. I simply said that it is one of the important factors in its success. Price, brand recognition and game lineup are some of the other major ones.

You, on the other hand, seem to be implying that it mainly sells well because it's a more "global brand". I don't think that is the case. Why didn't the PS3 blow away the 360 in sales based on it's superior global brand recognition? Why were the sales of those two consoles so close? The PS3 benefited from the same great first party output, had the same brand recognition, and even offered free online gaming. The two main differences were that it started out more expensive (although this was later rectified) and it did not offer the superior performance in multiplatform games.

[starchild]

@WelkinCole

"The PS3 is more powerful than the x360. The only reason why the x360 perform better for multi-plats is because it was leading 3rd party console for dev because it came out 1 year before the PS3 and the PS3 was harder to dev for. Get your facts straight."

That's incorrect. The PS3 had a more powerful CPU, but a weaker GPU and lacked the unified memory architecture found in the 360. It also had less RAM available due to a larger OS footprint. For the way games were made at the time the 360 was inevitably going to outperform the PS3 in cross platform titles. Look up what John Carmack or other respected developers have said on this topic.

"No one is saying power is not important as that is dumb. Thats like saying that graphics is not important and we should continue to play atari days graphics. The point is power is not the most important thing as you xbox fans are thinking now with Scorpio for success."

You may not be saying it is completely unimportant, but you are heavily downplaying it. You guys have flipped 180 degrees from the position most of you took over these past few years. And, yes, I've noticed the Xbox guys have flipped from downplaying graphics to hyping them up as something important. My position is consistent. I've always said that graphics matter. They don't make a bad game good, but they do make good games even more enjoyable. That's a big part of why I do 90% of my gaming on PC.

In any case, Neo and Scorpio will put all this to the test. Since they play all the same games as the previous consoles and have no exclusives of their own they are selling on the promise of improved graphics and performance. If they sell poorly then we can maybe say that many console gamers don't care about power, but if they sell well it will be clear that power is indeed important to many people.

[LastcenuryRob]

One good first party developer doesn't make a system. Naughty dog is great but it only takes a handful of their team to move on before you get an average developer.

[morganfell]

@starchild,

The PS2 says hello. You know, the biggest selling console ever that was underpowered compared to it's two competitors that generation.

This is electronic Darwinism and contrary to what some erringly think he meant, he was not saying the strongest survive but rather the most adaptable.

[nowitzki2004]

Power doesnt matter. But give ND more power to work with and you will see how much we all like more power.

[WelkinCole]

@Starchild

These things have been important to gamers for which to pick their console

1. Console that has the games they want to play
2. Price of the console
3. Console with the biggest game selection
4. Console with the highest number of quality titles.
5. Console with the most varied game selection
6. Console which your friends have and are using for online play
7. Console with the controller you like
8. Console with the best online gaming features

Now seriously. Where do you think console power will rate for console gamers selection?.

You see. Power has always been in significant for determining console gamers purchase decision.

[Overload]

Did you watch Sony's E3? The PS4 is doing fine as is.

http://orig09.deviantart.ne...

I'm pretty good waiting for the PS5.

[medman]

@Overload
I agree with you in principle.....the games at Sony's conference looked amazing, and they all ran very well. But having a 4k Oled, I think that both the Neo and Scorpio will be difficult for me to pass up. If the Neo comes in with solid 1080p@60fps upscales 1080 to 1440 or 4k, and the Scorpio comes in with solid 4k@30fps and 1440p@60fps, I'm pretty much sold.

[Omnislashver36]

Sounds like Sony juked MS yet again, by releasing less powerful specs than the console will have at release. They're too good at this. Hope the rumors are true! Neo/PC is what I'll be playing.

[Overload]

The Neo specs could have been a controlled leak to get Microsoft to show their hand, since ultimately the pressure is on them.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

As if Microsoft couldn't bump up specs with over a year til launch.

[Majin-vegeta]

I've said this time and time.Sony has been trolling MS all gen starting from "Why show your console first when your competition could just upgrade specs aftwr seeing".

[sammarshall102]

Lol I highly doubt it. Microsoft is too confident with coming out and saying they have the most powerful console ever

And we don't even know the full specs for the Scorpio ;)

[ShadowKnight]

@343 the Scorpio would cost even more if they upgraded the teraflops. Like around $600 lol. It should be the same price as a GTX 1080 lmao 😅😅😅

[Overload]

Personally I think the Scorpio will be more powerful than the PS4 Neo, but that is because I think Scorpio is their next gen console and Sony is still planning on making PS5, which will probably release with a year of Scorpio and will be more powerful than it.

I don't see an outcome that ends negatively for PlayStation from this. If Sony times the PS5 right, Microsoft won't be able to just quickly bring out the formal Xbox 2 after releasing Scorpio the previous year, Sony should have 2+ years between Neo and PS5.

They have pretty much handed Sony control of next gen as long as Sony times it right.

[Thatguy-310]

All in all I don't want the console costing 500$+. They need to release it at 400$ in order for it to take off. So if that means releasing a less powerful console than Scorpio I'm fine by that.

[leeeroythe3rd]

Sucker born every minute to believe anything these corporations put out

[Omnislashver36]

I'm just glad they both can compete. I don't really mind if the console is $499... Just give us 4.6+TFLOPS and SATA III so we can get increased SSD speed.

[Mystogan]

If NEO releases this year, which rumors suggest. Then Microsoft still has plenty of time to upgrade Scorpio specs.

[Tech5]

Sony already ridiculed MS for announcing an upgrade so late into the gen. it would be pointless for them to release an even more powerful upgrade at a later date. And how would anyone be able to enjoy the upgrade so close to the next gen? they might as well do the upgrade soon or hold off and do a full generational leap.

[donthate]

You guys do know that whatever technology was offered to Sony is offered to MS as well from AMD, right?

It's not like MS doesn't have hardware engineers. Remember, this is the company that designed the Xbox 360 in half the time that PS3 was designed in.

Reality is that both companies have the option to raise the processing power, but not without cost in resources, and heat. Sony is certainly almost finalized if not finalized, so their option is very limited. MS knows this, and that is why they announced Scorpio.

It's amazing that armchair specialist believe they can outsmart major businesses generating billions in revenue employing top talent!

[starchild]

@Overload

No way. If Sony release the Neo late this year or early next year there is zero chance of them turning around and releasing the PS5 in 2018. What would even be the point of releasing the Neo that late in the generation?

This is a "mid-generation upgrade". Three years after the PS4 and three years before the PS5 would seem reasonable. If Sony try to release the PS5 any sooner than that they are going to have a lot of angry gamers on their hands.

Even I, normally being pretty laid back about such things, would be pretty livid if they sell me a Neo only to turn around and launch the PS5 two years later. I would just wait for the PS5. Especially since it will likely use the same basic architecture and be backward compatible with PS4/Neo games.

There were 7 years between the launches of the PS3 and PS4 and nearly 7 years between the PS2 and PS3. I'm willing to bet Sony will give the PS4 a similarly long run before releasing the PS5 (i.e 6 to 7 years). Even more so now that they have the Neo to keep gamers happy and help give longevity to this console gen.

[AAWELLS09]

Look guys, this one has really been drinking the koolaid tonight.

[LastcenuryRob]

LOL,what? You take rumors at face value far too easily.

[DemonChicken]

Want it to be true purely for this reason

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Mod (Ctrl+f Oli) comments they did article for clicks and adamant the leaks are genuine

EG can eat their own words

[BLow]

If it is indeed more powerful, say the 5.5 Tflops, then that wouldn't be bad at all. That would pretty much be the power difference now and apparently certain fanboys day you can't tell the difference now. Wonder if that will change if this turns out to be true. The goalposts will move on both sides. It gonna get ugly....if we get something over 5 Tflops I will be in heaven and really surprised....can't wait....

[Necr0philiac]

The goalposts have already moved for some of the common trolls on here.

[Mr-Dude]

I don't really care if the NEO has 4.5 TFlops or 5.5 Tflops. Before these TFlops leaked out nobody really talked about it, hell even knew what the things are besides a small group, but now it's the only thing everybody cares about. I don't have a 4K TV, so if I can get 1080p 60FPS native I am happy.

Like I said before... Without games it doesn't really matter how much power your console has. Not saying that MS doesn't have them, but Sony just has more.

[Genuine-User]

There are a few things I would like to add:

- Digital Foundry
"It's also worth noting that - clock-speeds and resultant TFLOPs aside - the specs for AMD RX 480 are point-for-point a match for the GPU in Sony's upcoming PlayStation Neo, all but confirming that the Sony mid-gen console refresh uses both Polaris technology and the new 14nm FinFET chip manufacturing process."

"36 'improved' GCN compute units at 911MHz"

- New AMD RX 480 overclocking tool
http://cdn.videocardz.com/1...
State 2 is a match for Neo's pre-june devkit MHz frequency.

We might end up with a more powerful console come release if it's slightly above state 3 MHz frequency.

Edit: delusional Xbox fanboys can't handle a normal discussion about the Neo.

Edit #2:

"Neo is such garbage" - 343_Guilty_Spark

Case in point.

[WickedLester]

After seeing the incredible games on display at Sony's E3 conference, I'm in no rush whatsoever. They can take all the time they want on Neo as far as I'm concerned.

[Majin-vegeta]

Exactly.Its crazy to think those kinds of graphics are doable on so callex "outdated hardware".

[WickedLester]

@ Majin-vegeta

It just goes to show that great game design beats raw power every single time.

[Kingthrash360]

This^^
Thinking of how tlou was on 8 year old hardware...looked better than most games to date..hell it holds up against current gen games like quantum break.
People are thinking power is everything when really it's the people who utilize correctly.
Look at batman on ps4, now look at it on pc...clear example of talent vs power

[leeeroythe3rd]

No need to be in a rush for what was shown as neo and scorpio will be released before 80% of titles shown

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Neo is such garbage. It truly is a mid gen upgrade which is being put out essentially for no other reason than to push VR. The PlayStation 4 is the market leader with over 40 million units sold. Why on earth would they push the NEO? Sony could have easily waited until 2018-2019 to launch the true successor to the PS4 instead of this weak upgrade. I suppose Sony knows people will line up for Neo and will jump right onto PS5 when it launches 2 years after the NEO. How to sell 3 consoles in one generation...by Sony Corp.

Microsoft on the other hand didn't really have a huge choice. They needed to deliver substantially more power as the Xbox One lags significantly in power and sales.

[Sunny_D]

Someone sounds butt hurt. So one company can do it and its okay, but the other cant? A company always us a choice, stop making excuses and being a hypocrite.

[Errorist76]

Sweet sweet salt. As it is even regular ps4 games seem to look better than anything MS has shown on high end PCs.

[BlaqMagiq1]

Oh so you've seen the CONFIRMED specs for the Neo?

[Gamefan79]

If all you care about is raw power why do you game on a console. All your xbox games are there on PC now. Unless MS makes some super new way to play games on Scorpio I see zero reason to buy it.

[ShadowKnight]

And lags in great exclusives

[uth11]

I just tried PS VR for the first time. It ran just fine without the Neo.

[nub_cakes101]

someones salty lol

[rainslacker]

Cripes, usually the hypocrisy has to be viewed across multiple comments in different threads. It's pretty rare where the trolls put the hypocrisy in the same comment.

That being said, if Neo is for PSVR, then it's not a competitor to Scorpio at all, but instead part of a new platform(remember Sony considers PSVR a new platform). If that's the case, then it's a niche product, and MS could be in real trouble when Sony does finally announce it's true mid-gen upgrade...or they may just call it a next gen console as is appropriate since that is what Scorpio essentially is....an under powered next gen, but next gen none the less.

Love it when you make comments that allow me to easily show you how much trouble your beloved MS could be in using your own logic.

Care to say why I'm wrong...using your own logic?

[showtimefolks]

343

lol you mean how ms is giving up on xbox one to launch stealth xbox 2? yes sony isn't doing that

ms is giving up on this gen because there is no way they can even get close to sale numbers of ps4

20 million behind does that to you sometimes

[GoldenArcanine]

The Xbox ONE is lagging significantly in sales because it doesn't have a single game worth owning the console for, it's got very little to do with power. In that respect the Scorpio is going to end up an equally worthless, unwanted piece of garbage in the sales charts because Microsoft are trying to feed their desperate, delusional fanbase nothing but rumours and false hope instead of making actual GAMES for their console.

[Mr_Writer85]

You do know that MS will have 3 Xbox consoles by next year?

X1
X1S
Scorpio

So in 2017 there will be 3 Xboxes and 2 PS4's.

But because you claim that in 2018/19 there could be 3 Playstations.., Sony are the bad guys?

Fantastic logic.....

[bafa]

@guilty
Why would Sony's strategy be to hope that consumers will buy a Neo and VR instead of the already 40mil?

[Aenea]

http://cdn3.dualshockers.co...

:D

[showtimefolks]

genuine

this is n4g after all

anything positive about sony/ps4 this site is labelled pro sony
neo hate from xbox defense force was so epic yet all the clowns now happy about scorpio
just now at this very moment there is an article saying ms took the indies crown from sony

but over the last few years xbox fanboys touted that indies don't matter and ps4 is a indies platform
http://n4g.com/news/1924499...

this site is filled with pro xbox fanboys and when the bubble system was taken away they are showing their true colors

20 million ahead of x\box one
will have identical specs to scorpio(neo)

sony is trolling ms hard this gen. they released fake specs via rumor and now when real specs are released they will see just how smart sony's thinking has become

i feel bad for spencer because it's him vs sony's team and i like spencer lol but i against 10 isn't good

[LastcenuryRob]

Really? You are that much of a fanboy you actually wrote all that?!?....You kid, need to find a new hobby!

[Godmars290]

Given the likelihood of buggy titles because of production needs and graphic complexities, don't really care.

[superchiller]

Thanks for that completely irrelevant comment, which makes no sense at all.

[Godmars290]

Bugs in games has become an ever accepted thing since the 8th console gen and the instance that graphics and tech have to be pushed, innovated, over all else. The Neo and Scorpio are only further example of this.

[Pongwater]

@Godmars - How are Neo and Scorpio examples of anything when we haven't seen anything from either?

OT - After reading a more technical (and much more civil) discussion about these two consoles I think gamers who buy either one are in for a shock if they think either of these machines will push 4K and 60fps while also pushing other graphical improvements. What I read made me think 4K and 30fps with no other improvements is what's going to happen more often than not, and taking the 1080p version to 60fps isn't enough of a reason to upgrade for me personally.

I was already feeling like I'd pass on Neo until I upgrade my TV to 4K (which is another topic I've seen discussed; that 4K will likely not be a new standard for very long), and now I'm even less inclined to buy one.

On a related topic, Ubisoft has gotten flack for years over showing their games on the highest possible settings but it occurs to me that we can now look forward to much more of that from every company. Swell.

[jb227]

It's not really completely irrelevant though is it? Could've sworn that many devs seem to be having a hard time even getting so games to run across different hardware. Look how horribly Arkham Knight did, or how poorly Gears UE & QB ran compared to their console counterparts.

Having more sku's to hit can present issues, UWP or not. Pretty sure QB was retooled as a UWP title and it sure didn't benefit it much.

[Godmars290]

@Pongwater:
I'm just going by the logic of new tech for the sake of new tech. Of pushing towards innovation when the basics of current tech haven't really been understood much less explored.

That kind of thinking might be from "back in my day" consumer products where expected to be built like brinks and last twice as long rather than a service switched out twice a year, but that's just me. And right now its coming off to me that devs need 3-5 years to understand get use to or comfortable with certain levels of tech, only tech levels are forever increasing. Becoming complicated.

Honestly, can't understand why many aren't agreeing with me unless they're either technophiles or what I'm coming to understand is the basic fanboy who can't see anything past their own platform or brand name.

There have literally been several major AAA titles that have been unplayable on one or more systems, yet adding one or two more to the mix isn't going to create even more issues?

[rainslacker]

@pong

I think the chance that many games use 4K resolutions is going to be slim. At least for this iteration of mid-gen upgrades. Devs are more likely to utilize the power to make better 1080p games, given that the vast majority of the TV market is 1080 now, and 4K is having a rather slow adoption. It's growing, but when you can get a decent rather sizable 1080p TV for less than $400, and a 4K TV of any decent size is twice as much, most people are going to stick to the 1080, because the chance that 4K content becomes ubiquitous anytime soon is pretty slim. Outside of UHD, 4K can not grow as fast as 1080 did due to bandwidth constraints on the internet, and what is allotted to the cable services which also have a limited amount of bandwidth to deliver their content on...both from the network provider, to the cable service itself.

@jb

UWP isn't the godsend that some people here make it out to be. It's not really robust enough for full game development at the moment, and it's silly to assume it will make cross porting that simple. DX12 has more porting features than UWP does for gaming, and game engines/tool providers do a thousand times better at porting than UWP does. UWP is great for high level code at the moment, but still has a long ways to go for that lower level non-framework code.

UWP is best used in games right now for accessing system functions which don't work on the low level in order to facilitate more routine tasks work across different devices on the same platform...something that Sony and MS already provide for their consoles.

[jukins]

Every genelation has games with bugs it didn't become acceptable this gen if anything people are voicing their opinion about rushed sloppy games now than ever becore

[Godmars290]

But it did(n't) become a common, and accepted, issue until online updates and patches became available.

Just the last two gaming generation. Not every one.

(Not only has my typing gotten worse since trying to improve it, but its also become dyslexic.)

[rainslacker]

People on forums are expressing their disdain, but the general consumer, and I'd say even many of those voicing their disdain, are still buying the games that are buggy and unoptimized. I wouldn't say it's become acceptable, but for the most part, publishers have found it doesn't really affect their sales that much.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Bugs and unfinished games definitely has become expected and accepted, sadly, but how you make that correlation to Neo and Scorpio, I have no idea.. Are you inferring that power or lack thereof has anything to do with bad programming or unoptimized source code?

[Godmars290]

It has nothing to with improving those issues, only adding additional levels of complexity.

[gamerswin24]

Im really excited for the Neo and can't wait to see what magic the first party studios pull off on it. Im also interested to see what features it will have besides 4k support.

[DragonDDark]

That laugh that the CEO gave at the end of the video though... evil laugh xD

[Gardenia]

What if the Neo is more powerful than the Scorpio, releases before the Scorpio and is still cheaper or has the same price as the Scorpio. That would surprise a lot of people, and not to mention the tears from Microsoft

[PFFT]

Its highly doubtful the Neo will sell at a loss. Sony just cant afford to do that. Neo will not be more powerful than the Scorpio IF its cheaper. The only two things that the neo will have an advantage over the Scorpio will be Price and the Release window.

[vega275]

Oh sh@t. Sony adding Secret saurce to keep up with scorpio.

[Omran]

Yeah to develop AAAAAA games :)

[vega275]

Or to push more indie games like they have been for the last 3 years.

[BlackTar187]

How sad is it Vega that they not only have more Indies they have for AAA exclusives too then xbox? If what you say is true how pathetic of that ms box right?

I mean what are we at right now like 2x the released games? Laughable almost but rush out and buy a new system from a company that struggles to release games.

[Pongwater]

Vega's indie comment is funny because the only reason MS can legitimately say they showed more games at their E3 press conference is that they showed some indie clips, not to mention that any gamer who downplays the importance of indies to the industry is clueless.

[Muzikguy]

@vega

That's a pretty ignorant comment. You know full well there have been plenty of exclusives released on Sony's platform. More than the X1. Stay ignorant though if it helps you sleep. More indies AND more AAA games yet we have people defending the other console like it's their mom or something

[Overload]

Hypothetically, if this is true and Neo is releasing this year, that's highly doubtful, it would more be them misleading Microsoft on purpose, which they have done before with DRM.

[arkard]

@vega did we watch the same e3 conference? I must have missed all the "indies".

[vega275]

Maybe you need to look at those last three years like I commented. Since this is the only year it hasnt. But nice try there.

@gamerswin

Why you so emotional. Sony has relied more on indie than they have their own first party all gen. Your just now finally getting something from them since most of the exclusive have been indie. Stop play dumb. Sony even admitted their first party line up has been sparce.

Problem with fanboys like yourself and many in here. Is you love to bash the competition console. But no one is allowed to speak of your God console and company. You guys seriously need to calm down and take your own advise.

"Maybe you need not be a fanboy lol and get off Sonys @$@*"

Why would I be on their @$@*. You guys do a bang up job circle jerking each other.

[gamerswin24]

Vega...

Maybe you need not be a fanboy lol and get off Sonys @$@* because i could have sworn i played and enjoyed games like Drive Club, Uc4, Infamous, Killzone, Tlou Remasterd, Mlb The Show, SFV, Until Dawn, Bloodbourne, The Order, Ratchet and Clank, etc.... None of which are indies.

The problem with you fanboys is that you make frivilous comments with no back up, move goal posts, Sony makes you eat crow, then its rinse and repeat lol. Then come back and say "im excited about cuphead and recore" indies and low budget games lol hahaha smfh (by the way nothing bad with indie games)

[Trez1234]

Vega, Sony said " first pary" were sparse last year but they still got exclusive games. First party means Sony in house games. Or you don't know what first party is or you purposely playing dumb.

[rainslacker]

Hey Vega.

Who's relying on indies?

MS showed 13 indies(excluding 2nd party indies) at their E3 conference...out of a total of 26 games.

Sony showed 0 indies(outside 2nd party(2 if you include 2nd party indies)....out of a total of 16 games.

Care to comment on who's relying more on indies to bolster their line up?

I bring you a fact. Please make your argument disputing me using facts, not hyperbole.

For your convenience, here is where I did the work to list the games of both conferences...although I did so to try and stop the stupid, "no release dates" argument.

http://n4g.com/comments/red...

Multiple people stating facts is not circle jerking. It's people calling you out on your BS.

[Sunny_D]

Nah the secret sauce is the Power of the Cloud! Lmao

[OB1Biker]

Never underestimate the power of the could

[Gamefan79]

Ya what happened to the power of the cloud was gonna destroy ps4. I swear I don't care who wins cause neither company pays me but these damn xbox fanboys will say anything to support their masters.

[sammarshall102]

Microsoft doesn't need special sauce they have the most powerful console in development

[Errorist76]

Sony doesn't need secret sauce. It's MS who keeps talking about secret sauce which sadly never becomes reality.

[MatrixxGT]

MS has not talked up any secret sauce since the cloud compute shit back before Phil took over. The only people grasping at straws was Xbox fanboys desperately clinging to any hope that DX12 or secondary CPUs would be unleashed and match the PS4.

Now it's the PS fanboys trying to spin NEO as the second coming of Christ whilst talking like MS is leaving the gamin market or will fail because their exclusives are playable on PC now.

They way these fanboys act on here makes me wonder why fight about it? Seriously they are both companies that want your money, does Sony or MS send you guys fresh virgins every night to sleep with?

[Mystogan]

MS never said anything about no secret sauce.

[Rude-ro]

Yup. It's called games. Oh, and maybe more horsepower, but what matters, is games.

[gamerswin24]

Yeah like the highest rated exclusives this gen lol that salty fanboys like to ignore lol

Youve been shut down :)

No need to keep up Sony has undisputably the best studios in the industry and output more quantity and quality than any other console company. Their ips will shine regardless of the power of the console.

Heres your salt

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Yep. Secret sauce to keep up with an unreleased console, while holding a 2:1 lead. Makes TOTAL sense.

[Haru]

They don't compete anymore, now they're two different things PS4 is a regular console with tons of greats exclusives and vr, xbox is just a low end pc running some kind of windows hybrid with inferior graphics and 0 exclusives

[rainslacker]

Sony's secret sauce usually has flavor though and sees the light of day more often than not. If this is a Sony secret sauce, I don't think you'll be laughing as much when it actually happens. But guess you can have fun with your trolling now.

BTW, you do know that almost half of the games shown at MS conference were indies right? They actually showed more indie games than Sony had collectively in their whole conference.

[Muzikguy]

Secret sauce lol. Only one company is saucy and we all know who that is. You can't run games with sauce, that's why they're on Windows now. People that keep defending MS must not care about console gaming. They're trying to kill the industry. Since they can't compete, they destroy. Merge with Windows? Becoming a service now? Screw that. Do you guys realize that services are costing more than the goods themselves? Do you also know that services are subscription based? I don't want any more monthly fees thank you.

[81BX]

Could also be weaker, at this point im tiered of all the spec guessing. Cant wait for neo and gow on it!

[DragonDDark]

Weaker than 4 flops? Dont know what it is you're referring to :o

[81BX]

Referring to the title. Yeah it can be stronger or weaker than we think, at this point im tiered of all the speculation and im looking forward to the official reveal and more so playing the new gow on it.

[PFFT]

It can but its highly doubtful. It cant be 1.5x stronger than the already beastly PS4. It makes no sense to sell a console like that. You need a lot of juice for 4K gaming. Neo will be a monster and there is no doubt that it will be at least 4-5x more powerful than the already monstrous PS4. I get goose bumps just thinking about it. Cant wait to get my hands on the PSNeo!

[jocomat9]

@PFFT "I get goose bumps just thinking about it. Cant wait to get my hands on the PSNeo!" Not to be mean but that comes off as such a pony comment.Again not trying to be mean but thats how it comes off as. lol Im excited for neo aswell.

[PFFT]

lol nah man you're good. Truth be told im also excited for the Scorpio. I game on all platforms. Ps4, XB1, 3ds, WiiU and PC. I hold no loyalty to a single platform. I love them all equally.

[81BX]

Really if the new gow at E3 was running on ps4 then i couldnt imagine it running on neo. Some devs are just amazingly talented..... ND and sony santa monica amaze me

[moegooner88]

Honestly after playing Uncharted 4 and seeing what the devs did with an " outdated" hardware, I am more than okay continuing this gen with my standard PS4.

[Sweendog007]

It's he said she said stuff ( I am not saying I don't care about specs , but take a page out of apples book , let the media make up stories , and keep your mouth shout ) , when the machine is on stage talk about specs. Honestly so much of this is bull shit now. People from Sony and ms one week say it can do this or that it has this or that , then next week contradict them self.

Microsoft 6 tearflops , ps4 neo 4 tearflops

Next week , Microsoft 6 tear flops , Sony 8 trarflops

Week after - Microsoft 12 , Sony 18

Jesus just either bring out the console and lets us see games on it and stop giving specs that only a majority of people understand

What do gammers understand more the games or numbers inside the machine that takes years to fully get best out off

Stop giving us specs on a consel and show us it ? Both Microsoft and Sony and the media are making so much noise about specs and changing it every week

Until I can play a game on either ps4 neo or Scorpio then it's just as far as I am consernd rumours and one company trying to out do the other and I simple don't give a fuck about that. I want games I can play.

[sampson3121]

sony still hasn't given any specs for the console. this is all guessing, and sony has a right to keep us guessing.

the company that killed it with games this E3 was sony.

[Sweendog007]

For everyone who is disagreeing with me read this article. Does that not just prove my point that one person is saying one thing and others are saying Diffrent , one calling it rumours others saying it facts. To all Sony fans who think it's only ms who showed off specs , there you go , and to the owner of this article what version is right and wrong ? Or you simply basing it on your view? Anyone who thinks everything is set in stone for neo and Scorpio think about , no one knows yet it's all rumours that article proves it

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Your actaully wrong , sony and both Microsoft killed it with games.

I am a Xbox fan , in the past 2 weeks even before e3 all this site talked about was neo and Scorpio

And they have showed numours leaks that show specs of both Scorpio and Neo

Again all rumours because the specs one week change from want they showed last week.

I am not saying I don't care but we are getting to the point where we are adding things in that are either stupit or totally laughable. Ps4 neo is one week weaker than Microsoft and now it's not ?

Same as Microsoft , Scorpio was only suppose to be 4K only now it can run Xbox one games better

Until we see the Consles with games on it then the company's talking about the specs once the product is on stage in view of the public then it's only made up stories

Apple rumours are the same but they never talk about specs until the product is on stage , so these company's either need to do the same and stop brining out statements that contradict what they said last week

It's not hard keep your mouth shut until the product is on stage

@rememeberthe357

Both company's have did things that will be in their machines and what they are capable off , both company's are bringing out articles and giving people stories that contradict what they either previous said or another employ said

We are reading articles that are telling us about specs , and they are saying the company's or a person inside the company or a game developer who is working on a game for it are telling them this or that ...

It's all just made up stories or rumours until they talk about it Themselfs on stage with the product infront of them

Microsoft ( I am an Xbox fan ) have them self a platform to be shot down if they can't get the 6 tear flops by changing it near the time

Sony - if they can't get neo to support higher frame rates for psvr , and develiever high end graphics and support current ps4 games on the new console they gave Themselfs a platform to be questioned.

I am not saying they can't do it , but not everything they both say will happen

We may be talking about specs but we are basing it of off articles we read and information we are giving , and those articles are stating its from Sony direct or Microsoft direct

Take this one for example , and compare it to last week ... Ps4 neo was discussed and admired to less powerful now that's changed ? According to who ? A Sony insider or developer insider

That's my point , Apple don't make statements about a product and specs until the thing is sitting infront of people , and they let all the media say things , with some things either being missed out or being in the final product

Don't say your console can achieve this or that ? And then it can't

[Mystogan]

The rumored NEO Specs come from the Dev kits. Its pretty legit stuff.

[RememberThe357]

Where are you coming from? These companies don't need to do squat. We're the ones talking specs, not them...

[jmc8888]

There's two ways they can do this.

#1 Change the chip. Possible, but expensive, and delays would ensue
#2 Clock the chip higher. It's been shown that it looks like a downclocked RX480 at 911mhz, whereas on PC it will be clocked around 1266mhz, and has been shown to clock upwards of 1500mhz.

So yeah, they could raise the clock. They might have been too conservative to begin with. Upping the clock and using a better cooling solution would be the easiest way to increase power.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

It's launching this year. How do you suggest they make all these changes in less than 3-4 months?

[Errorist76]

Updating the cooling system is probably a matter of weeks.

[RememberThe357]

You really think you know what's going on don't you? Who says they have to make any changes at all? So far all we have is rumor. You seem to be taking this conversation a little too seriously.

[ziggurcat]

it's not launching this year. they wouldn't officially announce a console anywhere on stage 1-2 months before its release date.

can you cite an official, confirmed release date?

[sampson3121]

the point of the article is that the leaked specs are wrong. that the Neo will be even more powerful than the rumors.

[rainslacker]

These chips actually run pretty cool to begin with. I doubt the heat would be raised significantly enough to really warrant a redesign of the cooling system....so Sony is likely OK there.

More likely, if the clock was not at full speed for Neo's release, assumedly this year, it was more for yield purposes, as off the chip, if it couldn't run at full speed, it could maybe run at the lower speed, thus more yield, thus cheaper to make. Because of this, it would keep costs down, and be more suitable for a console.

@343

Raising the clock to it's standard clock speed wouldn't require any kind of change to the system. The memory controller should already be able to run at that speed, since no matter what the clock of the chip, they all use the same controller. Changing the clock speed of a chip, assuming it's capable of that speed, only requires changing the bus speed, which can easily be done through firmware. No new hardware needs to be added at all. Many PC users do this all the time...they call it overclocking, and while that's not the same as what we're talking about, it's done the same way that multiple chips within the same line get different speeds.

Testing would have to be done to ensure that the heat wouldn't cause problems, but these systems are over-engineered for heat peaks, so I doubt that would be an issue.

Only issue that may come up is if Sony is using the lower spec'd chips to get more yield(same way they locked out cores on the PS3 SPE or PS4 CPU, and that those chips weren't rated to be able to run at full speed due to defects. It may become a gamble of having to deal with removing those particular chips from the market. However, within any chip line, there is essentially no difference between 2 chips of different speeds, and that number you see on the box is just there to say the maximum speed that it's been rated to run at without fault. It's quite possible that it could come from the same silicon wafer as the highest speed chip sitting next to it on the shelf.

Learning about this stuff, and how it's done would go a long way in not making your comments seem uninformed.

Any PC enthusiast can back up everything I say here, and actual facts on how this works are readily available with a google search. Google is reached by typing google.com in that little white space at the top of your browser. Then you type in a search term into the google box there.....I'd suggest, how not to make moronic comments on forums for your first. When you reach 8th or 9th grade and if you go to a school which has an introduction to computers in the curriculum, they'll guide you through it if it's too hard for you now.

I hope I brought a little knowledge to your insular deluded and misinformed world today.:) Cheers!

[StormLegend]

It doesn't have to be as powerful as the Xbox scorpio. I just want 60fps! The PS4 games at E3 looked amazing on the original PS4. I hope Sony doesn't try to match Xbox with power,we can wait for the PS5 on that

[kenwonobi]

I warned the Scorpio fanatics. Sony is smart. Never think the initial release of info is what you will get.

[sammarshall102]

Scorpio will still be more powerful than the Neo

Especially if the Neo comes out this year

[Jburr94]

Don't mean nothin if you don't have very talented studios who can use every advantage of the power. Sony has talented first party studios.

[Movefasta1993]

judging by the disagrees,do people seriously think there's a chance that the neo will be stronger?

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Yeah but if the neo really has 5.5 tflops compared to the 6.1 Scorpio that isn't a major difference at all so at that point it would be pretty much a wash but with Sony having actual exclusives and being the bigger gaming brand they would be sitting pretty

[OB1Biker]

Very likely if Scorpio is released one year later, but what the hell?
Neo is an upgrade that will always be hold back for PS4 compatibility (same for scorpio if their marketing 'game beyond generation' dont lie).
If Sony waits one more year that would postpone a true new gen PS5 with exclusive games using all its potential.

[Gunstar75]

Scorpio is releasing late next year for a reason. I believe that reason is that this is new silicon

[Sweendog007]

One article says one the other says Diffrent

Who do you believe ? If you want it to be more powerful than you first thought this is the one to believe

It's all just rumours , until the show the product and give the run down of specs no one knows

You can't tell me this is legit ? When last week all the Dev kits were out and specs where showing ? You can't tell me one article is right and the other is wrong ?

It's rumours

[corroios]

Well some will again enter in panic mode... What important is that sony got the games like the show us at e3.

Of course that sony was very smart not to talk about the Neo and let Microsoft show their next console. It seems that all the news that Sony was doomed with the Scorpio and the power advantage of 2 teraflops was all wind....

If this is true, Microsoft will be forced to invest even more to build a more powerfull console...

[italiangamer]

Dat laugh at the end, typical of someone who knows something big that nobody could ever imagine lol Can't wait for NEO, Sony will do an amazing job with it and they'll keep spanking ms butt until it turns purple lol

[jujunogo]

I was thinking of getting a 4K tv so this new ps4 is right on time . The reason I didn't yet is because I heard the current ps4 does not have the right hdmi. Sony take my money

[Mr_Luke]

I'm really looking forward for the official announcement. I'm fine with the games i'm playing on my PS4 but if i think that they can become even better... can't wait O_o

[Rookie_Monster]

Hahaha. You guys are taking this rumor from Neogaf posters too seriously. Don't put your hope to high as that might disappoint some of you when the specs are final out.

[Speak_da_Truth]

Wait aren't you guys the same ppl who took the 4 teraflops rumor and ran with it like it was official?

[Rookie_Monster]

But those specs leak were not from Neogaf posters. They were from the same people that also leaked the Scorpio specs and posted them on actual credible gaming sites. Put two and two together.

[Errorist76]

Rookie always changes his opinion like the wind is blowing...hypocrite.

[Speak_da_Truth]

Still a rumor rookie. Just because Xbox scorpio 's came true doesn't mean it'll be the same for neo.

[MCTJim]

It wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at NeoGaf.

[MCTJim]

If its on NeoGaf...it must be true /s

Lets all start a rumor that Neo is just as powerful as scorpio and post it on NeoGaf...they will run with it as fact.

[Speak_da_Truth]

If you want you can check my comment history. I've specifically said i hope Sony doesn't try to match scorpio. So idk what you are talking about.

[jb227]

The 5.5 tflops originates from NeoGaf, but the initial statements come from Jim Ryan himself. If the numbers were as simple as 4 vs. 6 he would've deflected or admitted as much. He plainly said that the rumors weren't factual & he plainly insinuated that they were off by a fair margin.

From what I know, Jim Ryan hasn't publicly stretched the truth or flat out lied on multiple occasions like Spencer. I'd personally believe the behind doors humble talk from an honest man over the public declarations from a dishonest one. We don't have a clear picture for either the Neo or the Scorpio at this point & '6tflops' alone doesn't tell the entire story of both boxes. If you think it does then the only one who will be disappointed is yourself.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Man you don't even try to hide your fanboyism anymore. Also people are talking about what Jim Ryan said from this very article no one in the comment section has even brought up that neogaf rumor. So if it does turn out true and the ps4 neo does end up having 5.5 tflops that .6 advantage for Microsoft isn't an advantage at all.

[Fist4achin]

I doubt that Sony Playstation will disappoint when it comes to their flagship. I have no worries about the Neo. Just keep them games coming.

[Pascalini]

The whole point of the Scorpio being announced now is to give devs enough time to work with the new hardware - releasing the neo now won't really be a big deal

[jb227]

The hardware isn't even finalized for Scorpio yet. There are no dev kits in developers hands. Most devs weren't even aware Scorpio existed when it was announced.

Scorpio obviously wasn't announced now for the devs, it was announced now as a Hail Mary pass to keep people from buying further into the PS ecosystem w/ PSVR & Neo. It was also announced to make their E3 seem a bit better.

[rainslacker]

BS. Developers knew about the Scorpio a few weeks before the announcement. That's why I shut up about it, because of NDA's. I can tell you that the line MS used that they were announcing it so devs could get a leg up on it was complete BS. X1 and PS4 specs, almost full specs mind you, or at least what to target development for, were known at least a year before the public reveal of the system. MS didn't need a public announcement to inform developers, and such a thing has never....and I mean NEVER....been done before, because a lot can happen in 18 months.

They announced Scorpio in anticipation of Sony announcing Neo. The wanted to take whatever wind out of Sony's sails as they could, because just saying 6TF at a reveal, with absolutely no other information is completely rediculous and only started the hype train too early. People have already got it in their heads that the Scorpio is going to be some sort of "Beast", and the end product isn't going to match their expectations, because most games are not going to be native 4K, and that 6TF number doesn't tell you anywhere near what is actually important to know...such as CU's, texture units, single or double precision, shaders, etc. MS jumped the gun and threw out a big number, because they knew the general gaming community has no idea how to use those numbers, or what numbers are actually important. It's like the whole 16/32/64/128 bit crap we used to see.

@Bronco Below

It was published in their official release forums a few weeks before the announcement. Any developer with access to the forums knew, and were bound by NDA.

I don't work for a big developer, and found out through typical channels which are available to any and all Xbox developers except those exclusively on ID@Xbox.

Even with the start of this gen, the smaller devs were getting the info they needed to make games, and didn't require a public announcement. In fact, public announcements of such things never happen, mostly because they want the developers to be able to know what's going down, and not spread false information inadvertently.

[dcbronco]

When they say so developers can know I think they mean the average developer. Bethesda knew, Activision and EA knew. But most didn't. You run the risk of a leak if too many know. A big developer or consistent partner is more likely to keep quiet. It's obvious some knew because Microsoft says they consulted with them.

[cd1]

There was one main reason PS4 sold more than XB1 and that was performance figures (a couple of poor MS corporate decisions early on didn't help either), so if the rumoured Hardware specs are true Sony should strap a closed loop liquid cooler to Neo like Fury X has and clock the sh1t out of it :)

[jb227]

Not a chance that PS4 sold so well solely due to its performance. If that was the case then gamers would all be building PCs.

PS4s success was down to a number of reasons...power was one of them but that was also down the price, 'most powerful' only goes so far but 'most powerful while also $100 cheaper than their closest competitor' turns a PS4 purchase into a no brainer. Add to that the superior lineup of first party devs & last gen's exclusive domination, as well as 360s high failure rate & it was a perfect storm for Sony to take the crown this gen. Saying it was solely about power is just vastly overstating the importance of power alone.

[starchild]

I don't see anyone saying it's solely about power. But it is important and it's silly the way some people are trying to downplay it now.

There are quite a few factors that affect a person's decision to buy a console, but how a system plays multiplatform games, which comprise the vast majority of games, is certainly one of the most important factors for many people.

If the PS4 hadn't had the power advantage (and costing less to boot) I don't think we would have seen such a wide gulf between the PS4 and XB1 sales. I think it would have been closer to neck and neck like last gen between the PS3 and 360.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

No that isn't true that's what fanboys like yourself try to tell yourself to feel better or something. If power mattered the ps1,ps2 and wii wouldn't have sold the most their respective gens and if you think a Xbox console that's more powerful is going to help outsell Sony you fan boys are even more delusional than I thought

[cd1]

Who you calling a fanboy you little rat? You don't know me.

Yes I believe the main reason it did sell better was performance as most xbox people i spoke to who decided to get a PS4 said their main reason to switch was difference in power, no need to make a big deal of it Princess!

[Liqu1d]

Incorrect.

[RememberThe357]

The PS4 launched globally, while the Xbone had a staggered launch. Plus, the PS4 had a few more successful exclusives, and the Xbone had all that controversy before launch that turned a lot of people off.

[babadivad]

It's because it was more powerful and $100 cheaper. When it first launched, it didn't really have the games yet.

[cd1]

@baba & Starchild

Totally agree, there were many reasons to get a PS4. I just didn't think id have to mention them all just so i don't get labelled a fanboy!?

More powerful, Slightly cheaper, No DRM, No always online, Good launch games, Momentum, Mark Cerney's E3 presentation :) The list goes on but, personally i hoped we were past all of this.

All i meant in my original post was if Sony wanted to keep the momentum they have right now they may have keep the power difference in their favour, or as near as they can to it. I prefer Sony exclusives anyway so it wouldn't matter to me but it may to those who came to PS just for PS4.

[rainslacker]

I'm sure people saying it was the most powerful system helped cement people's buying decision, but I can't believe that it was the sole or main reason for it's success. The average console buyer doesn't really know which is more powerful, and many of them just believe they have the most powerful due to marketing schemes. There wasn't a lot of that "most powerful console" marketing going on this gen compared to prior gens. Games and brand recognition were more likely bigger factors, and most certainly MS screw ups at the beginning there didn't do anything to help MS.

Edit @ Below

No, but you did imply it was the main reason, which I also said right after sole.

I label the average console buyer as the majority of people who buy consoles. Those would be the one's who aren't in the forums listening to "most powerful" marketing speak. Sony itself never touted it being the most powerful, outside a few mentions at the hardcore game trade shows.

But, my comment was to say that the main reason was not because it was the most powerful. Sorry if adding sole into the mix confused my argument.

[cd1]

I never said sole reason, see above. I also wouldn't label the "average" console buyer, i know the master race like to think console gamers don't know tech but their wrong. I work in IT like many of my mates do - we all own consoles. Sony didnt have to play the "most powerful console" card because so many factors went in their favour and everybody knew it anyway, by the time MS changed their mind on DRM etc momentum has taken PS4 beyond reach (and deservedly so imo).

[cd1]

Right, so this little meltdown was because i forgot to put it as ONE of the main reasons it sold better - got ya. No wonder you lot got beat up in school.

[THC CELL]

What if it could play ps3 game on Max too

[DragonDDark]

Woah...

[starchild]

I love backwards compatibility. I'm already planning to get the Neo, but if Sony added in backwards compatibility for previous gen Playstations that would be incredible.

[rainslacker]

If it has full BC, not an emulator solution like with MS, I'd definately buy one. Heck, throw in PS2 and PS1 BC too. Heck even PSP and Vita support.:)

I doubt it'll happen though. Would probably drive up the costs too much. But a premium model may be in order. I hoped for one at the start of this gen, but sadly, it never came. I think there's a market for it. Even an add on solution would be cool to keep number of SKU's down, and just allow for a easy access to BC so I can retire my phat PS3.:)

[leeeroythe3rd]

Ah the social media propaganda begins! Sony would have trounced microsoft with neo if design was near or better at e3. No way they would have allowed any doubt. The propaganda machine that sony has created thru these articles is evidence to concern with scorpio. I dont get it bc market share and time gap is far to large. Yet sony feels the need to scramnle to ease the fanboys.

[jb227]

Would they have? I don't necessarily believe Neo will be more powerful, but let's just say hypothetically it is...Sony would've allowed MS the time to shout about how important power is from the rooftop, to declare their console "Most Powerful Ever" in the most arrogant fashion, then turn around & make them look like fools w/ a single announcement....kinda like what they did w/ the Used Games commercial for the PS4 E3 reveal.

So we've got precedents for Sony giving MS enough rope to hang themselves, so I'm not sure Sony would be desperate enough to knee jerk. That's never really been their style. Ultimately whether or not Neo is more or less powerful isn't the end of the conversation...which box will have better games support? Which box will have better communities? How noticeable are the performance differences? We don't know any of these things yet, and they are far more important than numbers on a sheet.

[Silly gameAr]

I don't know where you guys get these theories. Sony is in a comfortable spot right now with the PS4. Why would they worry about the xbox at this point? To me, it seems like they don't want to jump the gun and announce the neo and the specs so soon and sabotage the current PS4 that's out on the market right now.

The PS4 is doing well. Why be in a hurry to announce the Neo, just to one up MS when the PS4 is in a better position the the X1 right now?

[dantesparda]

Hope, its true.

[N8]

I think it is more powerful than we think. Sony is to calm about the Scorpio announcement.

[DragonDDark]

Let's be honest here, why would they not be calm either way?

[Cweed]

I'm excited to jump on the Sony train soon. I've been Xbox one + PC this generation because that's what all my friends play on which is most important to me. But I really enjoyed my PS3's (had a phat but it ylod then I got the first slim .) I think an increase in hardware power is going to really be enough for me to jump in on the ps4. I've been completely out to lunch when it comes to the top games other than uncharted of course. What Are all of your top 5 games I should buy first for PS? I'm excited to check them out. Kill zone was one of my favorite franchises but I hear shadow fall was rubbish. Is that true?

[DragonDDark]

Bloodborne
Uncharted 4
Until dawn
Ratchet & Clank
Infamous Second son

Those are my top 5 must haves for the ps4.

[Cweed]

Thanks so much for your reply. I will have to check those out for sure. I'm getting super friggin hyped for neo!

[dcbronco]

Sony should be thanking Microsoft for announcing Scorpio. It changed the fanboys from"no way I'm buying a new console three years later to where do I sign up"? Fanboy defense mechanism rules all. Spock would consider this fascinating.

[uth11]

Lol, sad but true

[dcbronco]

If that console launches this year all the maniacal laughter in the world will make it 5.5 teraflops. That would require a complete redesign. That's not how making computer parts works. You can throw in more ram but not a bigger GPU and have everything work well.

If Sony wants to wait until holiday 2017 they can make those changes. I do believe they might have room for more, Polaris allows for that. But it still means additional cooling and additional expense. Sony would take a hit on every console sold because they will get taken on price for a rush job.

[uth11]

Sony is mostly buying the chips that run this from AMD, and AMD has long been in the business of making components that can be swapped in and out. The PC market depends on that. This isn't like so.e custom CPU where a small change would require months of design work be thrown out the window

[dcbronco]

Check again, these are consoles with custom chips. AMD has a division that does this. It's a core part of their business.

[uth11]

They are custom to the extant that they mix and match CPU & GPU on the same chip, but the cores themselves are stock AMD cores. The guys who did teardowns on the consoles can tell you exactly which cores were used.

[BlaqMagiq1]

Why is it that so many people in this comment section are so salty about the Neo being more powerful? Is it because they WANT it to fail? I wouldn't be surprised. So many people have wanted Sony and PS to fail for years only to put out more games, better games and better selling consoles than MS.

[uth11]

Is that a rhetorical question?

[babadivad]

Same reason why Sony fans were salty about X1 Scorpio. They went from pixel counters to it's all about the gamez!! Then with the glimmer of hope that the Neo maybe stronger than the dev kit leaks indicated, they can go back to pixel counting again. Fanboyism at its best.

[showtimefolks]

I always thought the rumored specs weren't correct

I also don't think we will hear anything about neo anytime soon

[Silly gameAr]

, "when asked how Sony would handle a 2 TFLOP disadvantage in favour of Microsoft’s new machine, Sony Interactive Entertainment’s CEO Jim Ryan stated that those so-called facts were based on rumours that were fairly speculative in their nature and that people should talk once the final specs of the two consoles are actually announced."

I really wish these bloggers would take this advice and stop with the click bait.

[ccgr]

Curious what the cost will be and what the trade value of my current PS4 will be

[Gamefan79]

What most people seem to miss why wait on a Scorpio when you can build a PC right now with the same or better specs than the Scorpio. MS isn't gonna have any more first party exclusives and how many third party ones do you see.

Who even knows what will happen by the time Scorpio is even released. To me Scorpio is the bait to keep people from switching totally over to PlayStation brand. Give starving xbox fans hope. Don matrix destroyed all the good they did with the 360 before the start of this gen and now Phil is trying to dig them out but can he is the question.

[gamertk421]

Not happening. Just staunching the flow for PR.

[medman]

Everybody keeps referring to the gpu flops but very few people are mentioning that both the Neo and Scorpio will still be hampered and limited by their cpu's..........

[uth11]

Yes.. the Neo rumored CPU is just the existing one at a higher clock rate. The Scorpio seems to hint that it too will have a similar CPU.

On the other hand CPU performance isn't advancing as fast as it used to. I've been looking to update my PC's CPU and am shocked at how little they've advanced in the past few years.

[rainslacker]

TFlops is a rating of the overall performance of a system. It isn't usually used to single out a single part of the system. When used for a single part, the number is only used on it's theoretical max. Actual implementation within the system will likely bring it down to the weakest link in the system's chain.

MS could very well be putting in a 6TF capable GPU. However, depending on the design of the overall system, it may only ever achieve 5.5TF or lower. If the system is designed exceptionally well...unlikely in a cost concious console design....then that GPU will never achieve it's theoretical max except maybe in very special circumstances. That's why TF rating is pretty pointless in determining GPU performance when looked at within a system. At best, one can state that one rated at a higher TF, will work better than one rated lower.

If MS is actually making a 6TFlop system, then the GPU is likely rated at least 10-20% higher than that, and personally, I feel that would be wasted money. The 6TFlops is likely the GPU rating though, and is what's being used for marketing purposes.

Other than that, the CPU itself isn't likely to have much effect on the GPU unless it's too slow to keep up with the game loop. The GPU's nowadays run independantly of the CPU and has it's own controller that doesn't require going through the CPU, and direct access to memory(most important factor).

[Underworld]

I'm happy with my current PS4 and will just wait for the PS5. So many great looking games coming I don't see the point in upgrading.

[S2Killinit]

Im also anticipating the stellar game line up but if the upgrade arrives i will upgrade day one so i can play them on the new hardware.

Thats me though.

[WelkinCole]

I think the rumor that the Neo is 4tf will come true for these two reasons

1. Cost
2. Release date.

Its really hard to imagine Neo being 399 with 5.5tf and coming out this year.

I believe the reason why Sony didn't announce the Neo at E3 is ensure current PS4 sales will not be impacted negatively.

If Sony announce Neo now the PS4 sales will suffer dramatically because people will be willing to wait 3-4 months to buy the Neo.

[objdadon]

There is no price for this, only rumors, hell, all of this is rumors. But andrew house said himself that the neo will be a "premium" console and they will sell atca profit out of the gate. I really doubt it will be 400 bucks.

[uth11]

Don't forget that the cost and release date are rumors as well

[jay2]

sony need to bring a 4k, UD-Blu-ray playing upgrade out this year due to the S, things will get very difficaught if they dont bring something to the table within 3-4 months to match it, unless they won't and bring something like Scorpio out early next

[DragonPaw]

This is truly awesome tactics by Sony. Their "leak" turns out to be a bluff getting Microsoft to play their hand first, but props to MS by setting the mark high. We shall see!

[S2Killinit]

With the abysmal sales of the xbox one MS's hand was forced either way.

[Deeke]

Here's what I think the PS4K/Neo will deliver.

Native 1080p 60FPS in all future games (likely not older games unless developers patch it in, or possible even re-release older games with NEO support).

1080p upscaled to 4K with some kind of awesome new scaling technology

Improved performance across the board in PlayStation VR, but we're still not exactly sure how.

One thing I'm concerned about with the PS4 Neo is that if the console uses an upjumped Jaguar CPU core with a Polaris GPU, we might see some bottlenecking. It's likely the Jaguar CPU will be heavily tweaked--along with the GPU--to make them compatible, but...I'm still worried. The Jaguar CPU was built years ago, and 14nm Polaris tech is brand spanking new.

[uth11]

> 1080p upscaled to 4K with some kind of awesome new scaling technology .

I think they might do something like render internally at 1200p - 1440p and upscale that to 4K. This way it looks better than 1080p, but a lot of people won't notice that it isn't true 4k.

[Babadook7]

Yup.
1080p = 2 million pixels.

2160p (4K) = 8 million pixels

1440p = 3.7 million pixels

So a good mid way point between HD and UHD for Neo that will be sharper on 4K displays than an og PS4 would be. Plus you would get a boost to other things as well.

[thejigisup]

6:45 if you want to see the "maniacal laughter"..,you're welcome

[Babadook7]

Looks like Sony gets the last laugh

[thexmanone]

Why is that?

[Babadook7]

Because Scorpio coming a year later than NEO with only 9% better specs would be kind of lackluster. You'd never notice anything that minor. And MS fans were already talking smack about a system that wasn't even announced yet. Funny. Don't you think?

[S2Killinit]

It would be a last nail in xbox coffin if they dont turn the tide this time around, I think.

[thexmanone]

MS Net worth- 380 Billion
Sony`s Net Worth - 18 Billion

I don`t think so

[uth11]

Yes MS has a high market cap, but they refuse to invest most of their cash into their gaming division, because gaming is pretty insignificant to their total revenues.

[Babadook7]

And the owners of that $380 Billion in stocks aren't too happy about having their money flushed down the toilet with Xbox Losses. It's not the rosie situation people think of it as.

[thexmanone]

So the Specs are final? Or are you basing your opinion off of a rumor.

[Babadook7]

Were you talking about final specs when you said this?

"Hate to burst your bubble, But Sony will have the weakest console of the three. "

And by the way Microsoft's net worth is 75.5 billion not 380 billion. Before you go spreading propaganda for your favorite company maybe get actual facts.

[Silly gameAr]

People have been basing rumors as fact this whole time. Where have you been?

[thexmanone]

@Babadook7

I was not taliking about Bill Gates, :

http://www.forbes.com/profi...

Microsoft:

http://www.celebritynetwort...

As far as the rest of your comment:

You stated that there will be a 9% power difference between Neo and Scorpio . So I asked you :So the Specs are final? Or are you basing your opinion off of a rumor.

I know Sony will have the weakest console.

[Babadook7]

Wasn't talking about Bill Gates. Your link was actually a valuation of market cap. Market cap is not net worth. If you look above I talked about the 380 billion in stock holder interest. Look how market cap differs from net worth...

http://www.investopedia.com...

Microsofts net worth would be measured by equity or assets minus dept. Comes to 75 billion.

http://www.wikinvest.com/st...

And I in no way stated I knew what ps4k had for specs. Notice my wording "looks like" and later "would be" Don't put words in my mouth. The latest leak (not rumor) is 5.5 so my statement was to that end and a play on the fact that in this article the Sony guy literally was laughing about the comparison. But you on the other hand were stating bogus facts about Neo being the weakest. There hasn't even been one leak that would put the NX above Neo in power. Sorry.

[SynestheticRoar]

This is a given.

[thexmanone]

Well since the scorpio is considered a next gen console (xbox 2) by many people here because of the power advantage it has over the Xbox One. I would guess now, (if the rumors are true) we could call Neo the PS5. Since it will be a considerable upgrade from the PS4.

[S2Killinit]

That is fair. Although there is one big difference. The older xbox consoles will not be VR compatible, unlike the scorpio. Therefore the scorpio will have "exclusive" games that regular xbox owners dont get to play. That is not the case with PS4 Neo and regular PS4s as they all will have the same games.

[Babadook7]

The concept of a .5 update has less to do with power and more to do with the fact you buy a disc for PS4; it works on both models natively. In other words one unified ecosystem. Scorpio will aim for it also. In terms of power; being 4.5 times more powerful is not usually a full generational leap either though. 10x is what is generally expected for a generational leap.

[S2Killinit]

I only want a most powerful Playstation I can get simply because I know that Playstation is the best bang for my buck when it comes to games. So I would go Playstation regardless, therefore i like the idea of a better Playstation console.

For me, its about the games that only Playstation delivers.

[nub_cakes101]

As long as it plays Witcher 3 at 1080p 60fps I'm on board!

[thisgamer503]

Lol a lot of people here doing an about face. What happened to NEO IS MID GEN UPGRADE AND XBOX IS NEW GEN! What happens when they're close in power?

[babadivad]

Fanboys.

[Tumaras]

It's really not much of a secret that AMD is supplying the custom soc for both the Neo and Scorpio. It's also a fairly safe assumption that both will be based on the relatively cheap Polaris 10 gpu (the basis for the $199 AMD RX 480 which comes out conveniently in 3 days) , which clocks in at guess what...5.5 tflops. Such a coincidence huh? Being custom they can be tweaked somewhat, but at the core they will be the Polaris 10. It's a great fit for both consoles in terms of performance and cost. So if the Neo and Scorpio are both not within .5 tflops of the 5.5 the 480 runs, I'll be pretty surprised. And tflops isn't everything anyway, it's an important one but just one spec and for example other factors such as memory bandwidth can make a 5 tflop system outperform a 6 tflop system. That's why we bench video cards and not just rank them by tflops.

[uth11]

Yes, completing consoles have rarely been more similar to each other as they are now, but the fanboys will turn even the smallest gap into a yawning chasm.

[slavish0]

we still know nothing. Sony and m$ never comment on leaks. since these leaks have been so spot on its hard to say otherwise. if they werent true why say "these leaks specs r not the final specs." Since they wont it says something. i hope the nx and neo and scorpio arent too far apart but sony will be ok either way. They had all the cards this gen

[Saito]

Question, why does Sony get shitted on for Indies, yet it's accepted by the other companies? And when and why Indies become a bad thing? Or is it that young, ignorant kids don't know that Indies pushed Gaming for all its time? Or nah ill jus dissagree cuz i dont know hitury or wat im talm bout duhhhhh

[Xavy]

NEO is on fire. This one will be a hit.

[GreenUp]

4.1tflops is plenty for 1080p. At 4k it will struggle just like the Xbox Scorpio and current PC's to retain 60fps without serious graphic fidelity downgrades. The tech just isn't here yet at under $1000 for PC 4k 60fps gaming. Anyway, as long as we get true 1080p 60fps I'll be happy on PS4. BF4 has ran like shit with 64 players at 900p 60fps. More like 20fps on Shanghai.

[Tedakin]

Suddenly the power of a console doesn't matter around here. Been quite a huge deal for the past 3 years...

[BlakHavoc]

I like the 5.5 but not the $599. Wowzers!

[Donjune]

Let's see what happens, stop with the projections fanfags!

[turdburgler1080]

If it is really equal or greater in power why don't they just say so? It's not hard. They don't have to give away much just the TFLOPS.

[Kingoftherodeo]

sony has games but lets face it we all spend most of our time playing third party games, example look at the hours dumped into overwatch. you know sheep will still flock and spend hours on duty and other popular 3rd party games. if your console doesn't have the power to be the leading console for devs you are less likely to get those 3rd party deals. xbox has said they won't make games specificly for the scorpio is up to the devs if they want to optimize their games for . idk about you guys but if someone gives you a better car and says you dont to stop driving your old one but you can deff drive this one, which one would you choose current car or new one

[ILostMyMind]

One who had gas. It's a pretty stupid comparison.

[mkis007]

For me it's more the fact that in order to play ps4 games at their highest settings there is no option other than ps4 neo. Instead of Scorpio I can just upgrade my windows 7 PC to Windows 10 free and then buy a new GPU...but being the crazy person I am I may just buy a Scorpio anyway...let's see how the final products look.

[Kingoftherodeo]

and thats fine you can upgrade your pc or buy buy a scorpio. either way if you want to play psgames sony gets your money if you want to play xbox games ms gets your money. we are all forgetting both xbox and ps belong to bigger companies

[mkis007]

I don't care who gets my money, I am not anti-anyone I'm just trying to be efficient. Why spend 500-600 on a scorpio when I can get more out of my pc and not miss out on any games...I already have an xbox one, ps4, and a pc with an i7 4790k, 16gb ram, and gtx680. For the few people who are in my situation I don't see anything major sweeting the pot on buying a Scorpio in the same way I do on buying a Neo...there will be no pc version to play spiderman on or god of war or horizon or dreams, and so on, so the best place to play thoe games would be neo. The only reason I havent ruled out a scorpio completely is that there is something to be said about the simplicity of console gaming. As a non pc-elitist I admit freely the agony of CTD.

Just to reiterate, I am not trying to avoid giving money to Microsoft, I am trying to spend my money wisely.

Edit: Just thought of one thing that could sweeten the pot...the already released xb1 games that don't come to pc could be made to run better on scorpio still.

[supes_24]

The majority of the people on here are so excited for a console that is literally the third Xbox. Think about it, you're comparing a next gen Xbox to a current gen PS4. The reason so many current Xbox One owners are so happy is because MS finally took the next step to next gen. I own one, the PS4 is light years ahead of it. X1 is a sinking ship and MS knows it, they had to do something and this is the result, which is pretty damn badass, however, if it is more like a PC. I've lost all interest in the Scorpio at that point. As for the Neo, I'm still loving my PS4 so I don't intend to get one. Reports say VR runs excellent on the PS4 right now. I'll probably wait for the PS5 instead of the Neo.

[MagicBeanz]

Well since all anyone has to go on is rumors at this point whatever anyone thinks is most likely wrong.

[LastcenuryRob]

After the Scorpio announcement I don't think anyone would be surprised of this is true...If Sony power creeps expect MS to do the same. When all is said and done these next consoles won't just be good enough but pretty amazing!

[paddy95]

I'll get the 5.5 TFLOPs to play native 4k!

[monkhaus]

It's so funny! The Leaks have not to be correct, it have to be stronger:)
But i never seen the statement it could be even weaker, maybe only 3,3TF. I think it says a lot that this has never mentioned anywhere.

[HallowedSoul1]

I really think it would be wise for sony to release the neo with 10gbs of ram if they decide on tackling 4k gaming @30fps.

[ps360s]

Well we all can agreed on power+games+exclusives will make people buy a console

Playstation 4 has all of that plus extra's

brand is also important but to some extent...gamers knows Sony will put out great stuff on the Playstation brand (not all of it is great but it's still out there for the Playstation owners)

We can expect more great stuff from the Playstation brand and knowing that, I am a happy Playstation 4 owner

[Kingoftherodeo]

right but if neo isn't as strong at scorpio. that would leave neo with just exclusives

[microgenius]

Given that God of war was demoed on current Ps4 Im fine till Ps5

[feraldrgn]

^Definitely this.
If God of War, Uncharted 4 & Horizon Zero Dawn all look like that running on a base model PS4, then even a little power is going to go a loooong way.

[Aenea]

Nah, that 4.19TFlops is probably right....

But....

They use TWO of them in a CrossFire setup to create an 8.38TF monster! :D

I know, am joking, but it would be so gosh darn funny to see such an announcement! I then would love to see reaction videos of Xbox fans! *evil grin*

[Kingoftherodeo]

you got to think about the price the gtx 1070 is about 375-80 ballpark. the 1070 has about 5.783tflops with 256GB/S memory bandwidth. the scorpio will do a tab better so we can guesstimate 600-700 for the console. now xbox has yet to name a price but if sony decided to 1up ms where does that leave their console price range in?

[Aenea]

You didn't notice that I said I was joking right? :)

Have to say though people like to compare Nvidia GPU card prices with consoles which is rather odd, they use AMD GPU cores on specialised APUs, a price of a complete PC GPU card has more than just the chip itself, so adding two of them does not mean it would cost Sony 2x $199 like the rx480 costs.

Also people are guesstimating prices for the Scorpio using current PC hardware, besides having the same issue as above they also forget that in 18 months when the Scorpio releases new tech is out and prices have changed, for instance many people think MS might be using the Vega GPU core from AMD for their Scorpio, but that isn't even out yet, will come next year, pricing of those is unknown, might cost $199 for a PC GPU card with it when it is introduced next year...

[Big_Game_Hunters]

I doubt it considering the accuracy of the rumours so far.

[PFFT]

Im getting the Neo and the Scorpio! Im gonna be a happy pickle! Gaming Bliss!!!!!!! Gaming bliss at 4K EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!! You all can keel over as to which will be better this or the other. But not me. Im gonna be gaming on both consoles and playing each respected consoles exclusives. I mean yeah sure one has more than the other but its all good. I wont have to worry nor play the waiting game or hoping or spamming the developers Twitter page with your hopes and dreams that one day said game will be released for X or Y system. You one platform guys can do that all you want. But not this fool No sir. Game releases i go buy it, pop that sum'bich and game! Gaming Bliss BABY!!!!!!!!! Wooohooooooo!

[alb1899]

At the end i will do what i did with ps4 and xone. I will buy the Scorpio and the Neo and i will buy ThE Games that i like from each. But the multiplatform games that I will buy will be for the most powerful console....that's it.

[PFFT]

Exactly! And if that said game has MP youll buy the game for the console in which you have more people to play with. Thats what i do myself.

[cloudbird]

great

[NotAFanboyyy]

Does this mean we can compare the neo and Scorpio or is that still out the window?

[Antifan]

More powerful xbox/ps4 is a good thing for PC gamers. Now they wont get lazy console ports.

[PFFT]

This exactly!

[The-rain-maker]

What if the PS neo is really the PS5 in development

[Deeke]

"It's also worth noting that - clock-speeds and resultant TFLOPs aside - the specs for RX 480 are point-for-point a match for the GPU in Sony's upcoming PlayStation Neo."

Digital Foundry clearly omits two of the MAJOR specifications for any GPU to match the RX 480 with the PS Neo. The PlayStation Neo will likely use a modified RX 470.

Here's the proof you need: http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-...