Witcher Dev On Xbox One Scorpio Price: ‘I Think They’ll Keep The Prices The Way They Always Have’

He also discusses whether his studio has started development on the new console yet.

[jmc8888]

People really don't know their tech.

1.8 TFlops in 2013 = 6 TFlops in 2017

It's not really anymore powerful than where tech was in 2013, it's just been updated to 2017.

Was the PS4 absurdly powerful? Nope. Neither will 6 TFLops be in 2017.

Insanely powerful in 2017 will be like Nvidia 1080ti or Titan around 13-16 TFlops, which are Nvidia TFlops which are more powerful than AMD TFlops. So that Ti/Titan will be like 3x Scorpio.

The reason it could be more expensive is because it's based off a newer process, and they are getting in on the relative beginning portions of it. Thus it'll be more expensive. They could eat the cost and sell for $399 or $499, or it could be more.

It'll be a nice console, but people have to realize that it isn't going to be SUPER powerful. It's still middling specs.

[Livecustoms]

You really think it could be around $400 ? i had people roasting me for suggesting it could be 500 bucks lol.

[uptownsoul]

Shannon Loftis (Microsoft's general manager of Microsoft Studios Global Publishing), she said "We're not talking about price right now, but it is a more premium piece of hardware." ...$499(moderate console launch price) doesn't seem to warrant that kind of statement.

source: http://www.gamepur.com/news...

[theRedDragon]

Uptownsouls - stops the damage control. Sony execs also said Neo is going to be priced at a premium also.

Andrew House "not a new gen, but just provide a premium option" 

Source  https://mobile.twitter.com/...

That is how executive talks.

[uptownsoul]

@theRedDragon

"stop the damage control." -- I didn't know quoting a Microsoft Executive's exact words was "damage control".

"Sony execs also said Neo is going to be priced at a premium also." -- I never said Neo wouldn't have a premium price as well.

Sorry, but this Microsoft Executive's statement does not lend itself to a $499 price tag. Now you can disagree, but I'm simply going off the woman's own statement.

[Vegamyster]

Well the only thing we know about it i believe is the GPU which has 6TF which doesn't tell us a whole lot, the new R9 480 has over 5TF & is $200 for us consumers. People have to remember that companies buy in bulk, it would not be hard to imagine a sub $500 system since this tech will be cheaper to produce & buy in bulk if the rest of the components aren't too crazy next year.

[starchild]

Well those people don't have a good sense of the industry then. I'm predicting it will be somewhere in the $450 to $499 range.

If a RX 480 with something like 5.5 TFLOPs of performance can release for $199 today I'm sure a 6 TFLOP GPU a year from now may sell for only around $150 (or less) and Microsoft would obviously be getting them for significantly less than the consumer price. So maybe $75 for the GPU. Even with more RAM and a beefed up CPU, I don't see any reason at all that they can't come in under the $500 price mark.

@uptownsoul

If the base Xbox One is selling for only $299 I'd say $499 is definitely a very premium price. And it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility that the base Xbox One will get a price cut by then.

[ULTp0ltergeist]

Surprised everyone has conservative numbers, I was thinking $600+.

[DemonChicken]

Really difficult to predict at this point as no specs plus also depends on what they bundle with it. They describe this as the top experience for hardcore gamers so they may include say the elite controller which again would jack up the price

[UltimateMaster]

I don't know. Probably around 600$ to 500$.
Either way. I think if it does sell well, it will give an indicator of how much specs is important to gamers and how much they are willing to invest.

[freshslicepizza]

if it is $499 that isn't really that expensive for a console that does 4k gaming and will likely support oculus rift and htc thrive. comparing exact specs to the pc is not really easy. look at what the ps4 has under the hood and look at what that system is capable of with games like uncharted 4 and horizon. now impagine if they has 6tflops to work with.

[candystop]

@jmc8888

"1.8 TFlops in 2013 = 6 TFlops in 2017"

If this is true and the Neo is reported to be much weaker, wouldn't this mean the Neo be a down grade from the original PS4 specs?

[Redspeed93]

I don't undestand why this comments have so many downvotes because you're absolutely right.

[theRedDragon]

I think it will be
$499 1gb model for Scorpio

$249 will be the new Xbox One S price by then.

Microsoft will give gamers a choice of the most affordable game console and the most powerful. The Scorpio will not start at more than $499.

Edit Uptownsouls - Sony execs also said Neo is going to be a a premium piece of hardware as well.

Andrew House "not a new gen, but just provide a premium option"

Source https://mobile.twitter.com/...

So does that mean the Neo will be overpriced too? Don't get it twisted, $399/$499 over $250/$299 is the definition of paying premium. That is how those things are worded.

[uptownsoul]

I'm pretty sure it'll be more than $499 since Shannon Loftis (Microsoft's general manager of Microsoft Studios Global Publishing) said ""We're not talking about price right now, but it is a more premium piece of hardware." ...When you reference "premium piece of hardware" when talking about price, its usually going to be expensive.

source: http://www.gamepur.com/news...

EDIT @theRedDragon: "So does that mean the Neo will be overpriced too?" -- If the Neo is already being rumored at $399 then I doubt Scorpio will only be $499 1 year later...Unless Microsoft is willing to take a noticeable loss per unit sold.

"Don't get it twisted, $399/$499 over $250/$299 is the definition of paying premium. That is how those things are worded." -- No, she could have easily said "We're not talking about price right now, but it will probably come in at the regular price of a console at launch"...But she didn't, her quote was "We're not talking about price right now, but it is a more premium piece of hardware."

[Ju]

$499 will still be a steep price. The PS4 is already closest $300 today and will probably drop more opening up the $350-$400 segment. That'll be $100-$150 below that price for a console which will be capable to run 4k. Neo @ $350 will kill Scorpio at $500

[Eldyraen]

If Slim is being priced between $300-400 and it's all based on a HDD (after basic slim down), $400 is not going to happen with all new hardware.

$500, maybe if they take a loss or barebones it to compete with Neo. They don't want to do that but might if Neo sees a big adoption rate they might be more willing to see less profit up front. Anywhere from $500-600 is more realistic.

They need to think of both a competitive price and how much development cost might had been. Not just production.

I'd love to see it cheaper but don't see it until much later in the Scorpio's lifecycle.

[dcbronco]

JMC 6 teraflops next year will be a low-end card. So the console will be no more to produce than Xbox One was, around $400. Once Neo is released and we get a bill on materials the new APU will be cheaper than the one in ps4.

And Teraflops aren't different based on architecture. Teraflops are a measurement that's constant. If anything AMD architectures are far cheaper or NVIDIA is price gouging. It won't matter anyway, AMD is providing to be far smarter than NVIDIA. NVIDIA chose brute force while AMD chose intelligent design. Design will win. The public is extremely slow to come around but Polaris will fix that. Then Vega will solidify it. NVIDIA will be struggling two years from now and up for sale soon after.

[aftershock]

lol Nvidia struggling against AMD? Now that's funny shit

[starchild]

Actually you can't reliably compare TFLOP performance figures across different architectures. It will give a rough estimate, but it isn't completely indicative of real-world performance.

[dcbronco]

Starchild that is true. But all indications are that the rx480 is very efficient. Overclocked they are estimating 980 levels and it's said the games are running much better than the spec. So yes, architectures matter a lot. AMD seems to have a winning architecture right now.

Aftershock I can't even take your response seriously. Obviously you're really young or oblivious. There are hundreds of companies that have had that attitude over the years. Sears, Kmart, IBM, Texas Instruments. I bet Sears never thought they'd be facing bankruptcy. Or Kmart or look at MySpace. Bet they never saw Facebook coming. IBM never thought Intel would be eating their lunch.

That's the dumbest mentality in the world. Thinking something is too big or too good. And NVIDIA isn't even a huge company. GPUs are a small market. You and the three geniuses that agree with you really think NVIDIA has loads of cash for a sustained fight? After they've been paying people off all these years to support Gameworks. Bet you thought CoD would rule forever too.

Here's why NVIDIA will take a huge fall. AMD has innovated. While NVIDIA gave up on unified shader, AMD figured it out. AMD thought of asynchronous compute while NVIDIA continued the same old ways. When others followed NVIDIA's same old ways AMD created Mantle and proved their way way better. Now NVIDIA struggles to catch up. While NVIDIA chases teraflops AMD catered to the consumer with power in their price range. A stock 480 runs many newer games at 1080/well over 60 with ultra settings on most things. NVIDIA has been arrogant jumping to announce the 1080 or maybe that was smart because even they know once the 480 reviews hit nobody will be talking about it.

Over the last four or five years AMD has been doing everything right while NVIDIA has done the same thing they always do, the status quo. That's how the leader always loses. You don't know enough to see it but it's happens again and again. Plus you're dealing with the most fickle of markets in the world, gamers. Ask Activision about that. They put out a video that even has me interested in CoD for the first time since Modern Warfare. The masses loved it, till they saw it was CoD. And I bet no one can explain why. The sheeple will turn on NVIDIA the same way.

[game4funz]

In 2013 we had 6 Tera flop on pc
That being said I think they'll do $400 or if their convinced this console is the most powerful maybe 500 but not more

[mkis007]

What if it has a Solid State DRive in it?

[kenwonobi]

AGAIN. Nvidia 1080ti and Titan are not console rivals. In terms of console power 4.5 times jump of a mid generation console is very substantial. Among its rival console brethren.

[DARK_WOLF]

No. Scorpio 6tf is NOT compareable to ps4 1.8tf of 2013 vs 2016.

Both ps4 and xbox one were designed and sold for profit using older tech and not maximum power. The cards they were using in the consoles were not strong cards and the cpu are slow mobile chips.

Scorpio is using new tech that isnt even out yet. It will be extremely efficient being a vega gpu and having 12gb ram it will pack a punch well above what u think being a closed box.

Ms are going for power with scorpio. They wernt with xbox one. And xb1 only just behind ps4 power and they werent even trying for power so what does that say.

This gen consoles should have been about 3tf in 2013 imo to be compareable to scorpio 6tf now like u say.

[DARK_WOLF]

No im going off the facts. Back in 2013 Ms said they werent focusing on power with xb1. Its a fact. Don mattrick was taking xbox down the wrong path and made bad choices. Now ms are back on form and have clearly stated they are going for power as a focus again.

Xb1 and ps4 were designed to be profitable day 1. If any loss was incurred with ms it would be due to kinect being bundled in the box.

Maybe ms will go at a loss at first with scorpio. I dont know, do you? Its happend many times in history they take a loss to get the install base up and the cut costs down the line eventually turning profit after a couple years.

Main profit is in subscriptions and product sales. Hardware sales profit margins can be offset by these too.

I dont think they will sell at a loss personally but i wouldnt put it past them. They know ppl are willing to pay for premium products as proven with the elite controller. so theyl probably charge a premium for it and profit day1.

[Ju]

True. But unless the console business has changed significantly, successful ones where driven by price more then power. This is a large economies of scale business. Reaching those numbers (install base) is crucial for the licensing business that follows. If you can't hit that sweetspot of a price which gets you there your whole business plan is at risk. Maybe MS is willing taking this risk. But they don't have, uch of a choice. Xbox One frome that perspective was a huge failure

[Christopher]

I'm thinking minimum $600 but possibly upwards of $800. The shorter console life will lead to less chance at reduced cost materials and fabrication, IMHO.

Edit: if you are basing the price on how much the hardware will be priced one year from now, you're doing it wrong. Base it on current costs, which is what they are buying and optimizing now.

[starchild]

I don't see that happening. I bet it will be as low as $400 and up to $600 as an absolute maximum. Somewhere around $499 is most likely in my view.

[Ju]

Interesting point of view. You might been to something. MS is trying to change the business model. We'll see if it's gonna work

[jessionpc]

I fked up.

[holin4]

@jmc8888
And how much does that super crazy titan 13-16 TFlops cost? and the rest of the pc? like 3 or 4 times more than the console for sure...
Worth it?

[Fatal-Aim]

The first time i put the price up, it was just after Microsoft E3. I was betting on $500-$600 with my final thought believing it to hit the $500 mark. It seems some people didn't believe it to be that high. But you have to look at it this way: Microsoft is increasing the RAM, the HDD, the CPU and GPU. If Microsoft had trouble selling the original Xbox at $400 (they were actually losing money on it at that price and that was actually a great bit weaker than Sony's console, let alone below the price of Sony's system). To even think that this new system is going to be anywhere below the $500 mark is totally insane. Now Sony's Neo system may hit the $400 mark as they have been more conservative but not the Scorpio. Why do you think Microsoft had to hurry up and make a slim version? They were losing money on the system at $300 while trying to undercut Sony's PS4

[candystop]

Smh

[masterfox]

stop flopping around!!!

[qwerty676]

400-500 is my guess.

I'm leaning towards 500

I think 400 they'd be taking to much of a loss.

[blackblades]

I say $500-$600, they said for hardcore gamers so i think about those prices after seeing those $200 controllers are for hardcore gamers.

[qwerty676]

Definitely wont be 600.

A 6tf graphic card from amd will be around $200~

Holiday 2017 I could def see them potentially hitting the 400 mark.

[Eldyraen]

It will be priced at the higher end for consoles though. Even $500 is lowballing imo--$600 seems more likely.

Anything higher though and you basically price yourself out of the market like Neo-geo and 3do did. Nothing was really bad about them but way too expensive for their time. Even now they'd be expensive.

[Hold_It]

Yep. People forget that the PS3 was $599 when it first came out.

[theRedDragon]

When the PS3 was first announced, Sony had just spent a fortune on creating the Cell in-house, Blu-ray drives were in its beginning and cost were astronomical, and those early launch systems also include some actual PS2 hardware for BC.

The Scorpio has none of those issues and by Fall 2017, a 6TFLOP AMD GPU should be priced reasonable.

[game4funz]

No. People forget how outrageous the ps3 price was... I don't think we'll see a 600$ console ever again.

MS priced the one at 500$ when they thought that people wanted drm and that their 360 fanbase wouldn't switch over. So I don't think that'll happen again either

[Sunny_D]

For what it's worth, the PS3 was the most bang for your buck. Blu ray players at the time cost $1000-$1200 at the time. To get the PS3 for $600 with Bluray and games and all the media options it has was a steal. My OG 60gb is still kicking and has only been replaced by my PS4.

[Tobsesan]

"Like they always have"

since they wont pack in Kinect it could easily mean 400-500$

[Eldyraen]

No way it's $400.

Slim is 300-400 depending on HDD. Scorpio is being touted as high end so if they have anything less than 1-2tb they're being stupid. Realistically it shouldn't come with less than 2tb by next year but wouldn't be surprised if they went for less anyways.

Slim doesn't come with Kinect either after all. You need an adapter cable that you can get from MS actually which helped slim it down more. Scorpio will likely follow suit.

[blackout]

$599.99 will be the starting price. $50 increments on hard drive upgrades

[Satyre28]

You guys are insane to think that Xbox is stupid enough to think that they are gonna have a huge market if they charge an arm and a leg for this thing, especially after the entire kinect 500$ controversy. They know the console market price range, and yes they will definitely take a hit with the scorpio but that is the price that a huge corporation like MS is willing to take to try and own a market. It will not cost more than 500$ and thats a guarantee.

[Movefasta1993]

the fanboys want it to price at 600+ so it fails, some have even said 700.Imagine a kid asking their parents for the all new powerful scorpio ,they'll be like fuck that we'll get you the neo instead.

[Eldyraen]

Scorpio isn't really targeting kids though, at least not the 99% I know.

It's for adult gamers as how many kids have a 4K tv when even most adults don't? Parents might buy something else if the kid wants the Scorpio but it is not really targeting kids whatsoever. Kids don't even make up the biggest market anymore outside of maybe mobile/handhelds.

[game4funz]

@eldyraen
Its the we heard you console.
Its a console. Consoles target kids.

[zerocarnage]

I told my lad he can have the new Xbox small, but as for Scorpio to be honest kids won't be able to fullly appreciate how gorgeous it will be like us adults who could see it and understand it in all its glory and stunning looking gameplay. I would not waste the extra pounds.

But I do understand, Microsoft may try to get the console market back and if they announce super cheap pre order prices somewhere round time of neo's release, then it could possibly sway a lot of gamers to vault a purchase of a neo all together in favour of Scorpio.

Timing of price info and announcement of a dirt cheap 300 pound machine with those specs could be the key to the market for me, who knows what price they're thinking but we can only hope it's low.

[akaFullMetal]

Well Microsoft thought at one point an always online console was a good idea too. This being 6tflops I can see 499 to 599 price tag.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

$599 to $699

[jukins]

So tell me what's thier aim then. They obviously want most powerful console as we have nothing concrete for specs but all rumors point to some pretty decent components even with the rx480 being $199 everything else has to be considered. I don't see why $500 or more seems ridiculous. Ms obviously seems to be going after console gamers who may be potential pc customers with there play anywhere strategy. If they wanted it to be cheap and powerful I think they just would've held off on Xbox 1 s announcment and made a neo equivalent at $399

[starchild]

Yeah, they might want to get the potential PC players to buy it, but those people aren't ALL they want to buy it. If they price it much more than $500 they will be priced out of the realm most console gamers are willing to spend. And at $600 or more you could easily build a PC by then that will outperform it, so where is the value for those PC minded gamers?

It seems some of you aren't really thinking this through too well. Microsoft will price it around the $499 range, mark my words.

[iceman06]

But, being a premium, high-end piece of tech, MS isn't aiming for everybody. Neither is Sony with the Neo. These are meant for the hardcore tech heads that know what they are buying and won't mind spending a bit extra for high end experience. It's akin to the elite controllers. They aren't priced at a point for everybody. But, hardcore gamers are willing to pay for a better experience.
My bet would be $100 more than the highest priced Xbox S. That let's them achieve the idea of it being premium (companies like the idea that quality comes at a cost) and doesn't kill the market for the high end Xbox S. Wouldn't be shocked at $500-$600. Anything more is seriously pushing the envelope and would probably bring about the backlash that you speak of.

[Fat Onion]

Agreed. It will be $499 for probably a 1TB scorpio, with 2TB maybe $549 and 4TB maybe $599.

By then, the base model S will be about $249.

I don't know why people think it will be so expensive. The RX 480 will sell retail for $199 and has nearly the same TFLOPS. I figure retail pay about $170 for it and make $30 profit. Microsoft would not need the packaging and special casing for that plus they will get a large volume discount...so I expect it will cost them maybe $150
for the GPU.

The Xbox One at launch without Kinect cost an estimated $381 to manufacture. Of that, $110 was for the GPU.

The main cost for a console is GPU, CPU, & RAM.

So basically this new GPU will cost an extra $40 over launch GPU price. CPU may cost say $40 more. And I will say Ram will cost about $40 more to make it simple. And the other parts are pretty much the same, but i'll throw in a $30 to upgrade other parts. So an additional $150 in cost.

$381 + $150 = $531. So at best. I think Microsoft will not be taking a huge loss on the console.

When Xbox 360 launched, it was loosing $126 per console sold!!!

Plus, the premium versions of Scorpio with more storage will most likely be making a profit!

[Asuka]

well just guessing here but i am assuming MS will go with AMD again to help cut overall cost. They will also get a bulk discount on parts, cpus, and gpus.

CPU is going to be a Zen 4 core with multi-threading (total 8 threads) ~$230
GPU is going to be a Polaris 10 custom with 6GB of memory ~$200 (going off of RX 480 which is >5TFLOPS for $199)

with addition parts and production cost i am guessing about ~$700USD

again this is me just completely guessing here and i have no way of backing any of this up lo.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

This is the problem with people trying to price out what a console might cost. You bring up the RX 480 which is set to cost $199 retail to the customer. Your cost =/= what MS's cost will be. I 100% guarantee you that MS will pay a fraction of the retail cost because they are ordering millions of chip sets vs just 1.

edit: and I do get that you are not saying fact, and you are just wagering a guess.... After what happened with the PS4 launch and price point I would be shocked if MS isn't trying to come in around $399 or $459 at launch.

[Asuka]

I understand that. and i mentioned that above as well "They will also get a bulk discount on parts, cpus, and gpus." hence why i stated it was all just guess work and means nothing xD

[Asuka]

I hope MS can work some magic to make that $400 range. Competitive pricing with competitive hardware is something i can get behind. Also it could deter me from upgrade my PC and just get a Scorpio as i don't game enough on my pc to warrant an upgrade (still rocking a gtx 670)

[Budrazor]

That's why most of the people are trying for the $500 price tag. They wanna see the Neo at $400 so they beat MS on price point. Not gonna happen again. If your buying parts in huge bulk like that most likely your gonna get a pretty nice discount.

[Tobsesan]

You are 100% if you go out and buy it. But we talk about MS going to buy those parts, so at least you can cut off 50-70% off that price and know what they pay for it.

MS doesnt go into some kind of Shop and buys those parts like normal ppl. Why isnt anyone getting that??

[Asuka]

I did mentioned that MS will get a manufactures discount, and yeah again i know this is just all baseless guessing but it'll be a nice ballpark for the value of equipment one can expect to get from the console.

[daynnight365]

I've heard 12 gigs of ram, is that bs

[Asuka]

hmmm, maybe 6GB for system memory. the GPU will have dedicated graphics memory which is separate from system memory. ATM the current xboxone uses 8GB of memory, but both the cpu and gpu (APU) pool from the same place to access memory.

[Eldyraen]

It's a rumor. I'm thinking 12 shared or total could make sense though.

8 for graphics sounds fair and could help with 4K (as higher vram helps a lot for resolution--most games wouldn't need near as much power if we weren't worried about resolution/60+ FPS). Then they'd have extra ram for other things for any enhanced games.

I swear I heard 8gb being mentioned somewhere pre-e3 but can't find it anywhere now that e3 announcement gets top billing. But 8gb ram (traditional) isn't anything to talk about on its own as that's what the One has (but it's shared). It could had been the end of the GB/s fill rate maybe though and I'm mixing things up.

I just want to see it some time.

[TheBrit]

Additionally, Spencer has confirmed that Project Scorpio is a “true 4K” console with the capacity to deliver “high-fidelity VR.” Not to mention, the system is believed to have more RAM and improved memory bandwidth over the Xbox One’s 8GB DDR3, in addition to an improved CPU. With this being the case, it’s been speculated that Scorpio will work more efficiently than Sony’s PlayStation 4 Neo, which is reported to feature a 4.2 teraflop GPU, thus making Microsoft’s new system about 40% faster.

So, definitely more than 8 gig and better than DDR3 for sure.

[Budrazor]

They most likely won't stay the same. I'm sure there is gonna be a increase. Wouldn't you add more if you were making the product?

[zerocarnage]

I've read 12 gigs of ram also, seems as though it's true..

[NotAFanboyyy]

Going with $499 if that's the case.

[PlayTheGameBro]

I believe it'll be $449 or $499

[Eldyraen]

Seems a decent lower price option.

$400 would be too low imp but Slim might see a price cut for Scorpio release (the 1tb and 2tb replacing 500/1tb price points so $300-350 for S). Would narrow price difference a little as well and let Slim see a a bonus at the same time. Even at $500 you might be more willing to go bigger if looking at a Slim than if it cost $600. They'd sacrifice profits but probably sell more.

$500 is bare minimum imo but I'd love to be wrong. I really want to see what Scorpio and Neo is capable of. I wouldn't mind seeing what PC is capable of either for that matter. We get a ton of gorgeous games now but most new cards still don't get fully utilized unless you pump up resolution.

New hardware will actually help a bit for PC as well (like new console cycles do--not really a new cycle but more high end hardware there is the more they'll support it).

[polymacon]

I think XBOX Scorpio will be 399 with 1tb 499 for 2tb

[Destiny1080]

can it be more then 499, not really
can it be less then 499, its possible but unlikely
my guess is 499 for 500gig, 549 for 1tb and 599 for 2tb they might even have 4tb special edition for early adopters

[Kalebninja]

The Scorpio is supposed to be able to play games in 4k I can't wait to see people get shocked when they realize 4k gaming is anything but cheap. This isn't a new gen this a premium console and the price will match that premium, it will be no less than $599, probably between that and $899 I'll stand by that.

[Pancit_Canton]

I think Xbox, Codename: Scorpio will be customizable console.

You can add your own choice of CPU/GPU (probably a choice between 4-6 tf would cost probably $400-$600)
You can add your own choice of Ram (possible between 8-12GB, $400-600)
You can add your own HDD/SDD (Additional Cost)
You can add your own additional heat sink or fan (Additional Cost)
You can pick your own casing. (Additional Cost)

So, Xbox Scorpio is basically a modified PC.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I think that is a bit of pie in the sky thinking. No offense but having a machine like that would basically be a custom machine for every person who bought one... and that means its going to be beyond expensive. At that point they might as well mail you an Xbox sticker and say go buy your own PC and slap this on the side.

MS will build another box that will have a set of specs that devs can use as their bench mark. It will be loosely based around the frame work of Xbox One with likely a very similar OS based on Win10 and UWP so bringing games backwards and forwards will be an easier task.

[hsark]

agree the only thing to consider is that they could ship a unit without a blu-ray drive I'm actually surprised that the Xone S doesnt come with that option .....other changing the drive or harddrive would cost MS more money

[TheBrit]

I am going to save 14 bucks a week for 17 months - thats just one less 6-pack of craft beer a week, then, if I decide to change my mind and buy one, I will have almost a grand stashed away ready to go!!

[jb227]

Switch to Beast Ice, 6 pack of 16 oz'er's at 5.9% for like 4 bones....ain't the tastiest beer but I've learned to love it haha

This is great news if it pans out, the premium hardware has been assumed to come in at a high price, but all of this talk makes it sound like it will be roughly the same if not a little more than a traditional console release.

[TranceHop]

2TB Xbox Scorpio $599.99 Holiday 2017. I'll be getting it day one.

[kenwonobi]

Well I'm hoping they keep it within reasonable price range. I think it's proven most buyers won't go above 500 dollars for a console. 599 is the upper limit PS3 got a tiny bang for its buck. That was with groundbreaking Blu-ray support and the new Cell architecture.

[iceman06]

What they are presenting is kinda like blu ray. It is supposed to be the cheapest way to achieve 4k gaming. At least, I think that's the general idea...it's the next "it" thing in TV's and monitors. A PC doing the same wouldn't likely be in the range of $600. (or would it? don't know for sure) So, I'm thinking that they would feel pretty "good" if they could come in at or near that upper limit. Sure, it's pushing it. But, according to them, it's an option for the hardcore audience and less for mass consumption. Though, secretly, we know that both MS and Sony want the core to drive the masses toward the premium console by word of mouth.

[iTechHeads]

$499 minimum like the launch XBO.
If they are aiming for profit, it will be $599.

[Nolando]

i plan on getting it either way. but i think $500 ($499) is the sweet spot for brand new hardware like this. i think $600 is the absolute highest it should go...

[zerocarnage]

If they take the blueray player out which I have no need for, it would be a lot cheaper, it's that bit that adds money to the price also. They should do away with the ray player and it could be pushed out for about 250-300 GBP.

[dmetripaulpavlin]

All of this speculation is dumb. It serves no purpose. You either are going to buy it as an early adopter and pay more or you are going to wait and pay less, or you aren't going to buy one at all because it isn't your bag of tea. I know it will be priced reasonably and I will be that idiot early adopter that pays more for it, I am okay with this. I like the new green button, I am sick of this red button.

[RAVEN81]

$399.99 ms can't afford another loss, they know it .

[MagicBeanz]

This is the same company ripping people off with a $150 "elite" controller, if anyone thinks this thing isn't going to be very expensive, you're going to be in for a very unpleasant surprise.

[Rhythmattic]

As long as it costs no more than $999.99... That way we can all watch boogie eat his hair !

[WhoCaresWhatMyNameIs]

Everyone keeps forgetting this is a year and a half away from launch. Just speculating here: The market will change and prices on current components will drop due to mass producing and wholesale purchases (which a lot of people on here apparently don't understand how that works). I expect a $50 price drop on Xbox One S in holiday 2017 so the price increments on those will be 500GB $249, 1TB $299, 2TB $349.

This leads me to believe that the Scorpio will launch with a 1 TB hard drive at $399, 2TB hard drive at $449, and 3TB hard drive at $499. There is no reason to go higher on the hard drives when Xbox has external hard drive support. At $499, that will be double the price of the entry level Xbox One S I speculate for holiday 2017. Huge price bracket between entry level and premium.

[leemo19]

Somewhere between $400-$600 is the price I'm sure MS is aiming for, but until we get the real specs of Scorpio pricing for me doesn't mean much right now.

[hsark]

I'm going for $499 or $549 with MS making a loss as we now the NX and PS4 will have to be cheaper