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Spencer: XB1&PS4 Are In The Same Performance Ballpark As Neo&Scorpio, Developers Will Target Them

Phil Spencer said that XB1&PS4 are still in the same performance ballpark of Neo&Scorpio, so developers will naturally target them with their games.

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Alexious2869d ago (Edited 2869d ago )

It's a pity, but it is also very much understandable. After all, if they left behind all those users the budget of games would likely decrease as well, so it's not all bad.

darthv722869d ago

PS4 and XB1 are much closer in specs than any two platforms before. No doubt the Neo and Scorpio would be somewhere close as well. not sure if i could tell the difference between 4.2tf of power and 6tf because I am not into that sort of thing. Just so long as both are pumping out great games is all I care about.

VenomUK2869d ago

Considering he has just revealed two new Xbox consoles, Phil Spencer is spending an awful lot of time talking about PlayStation. He needs to stop with the PR spin about how the PS4 has fewer exclusives, or how the Neo is weak in comparison to the Scorpio. Phil Spencer should just focus on trying to make sure his team get their ship back on course.

donthate2869d ago

In percentage, the power differential between Scorpio and Neo is about the same as XB1 and PS4. The actual amount though, dwarfs.

Neo is roughly twice the processing power of PS4, but the gap between Neo and Scorpio is an entire PS4 tucked in between.

If you take that power and put it into 1080p, it would be massive difference. If you take that power and put it mostly into resolution and frame rate, the difference isn't going to be that big. HDR will likely have a bigger effect, which both consoles are going to support.

So how different it will be, is dependent on how developers are willing to tune their software i.e. by resolution or by console?

Concertoine2869d ago

@darth

I disagree, the 360 and PS3 were much closer than the 8th gen consoles. There were a lot of games on both platforms that nearly matched each other. The 360 and ps3 both had distinct advantages in certain areas whereas the xbone only has a slightly better cpu that rarely makes a difference.

ThanatosDMC2869d ago

The guy sure like to talk about Sony's next gen console when there's no concrete info about it.

ULTp0ltergeist2869d ago

@darthv72
I doubt you'll tell the difference between Neo and Scorpio playing full HD because they both will handle it. We'll start seeing the difference in power which is significant by 2Tflops when they play 4k games, IF Neo can handle native 4k or upscaled 4k at stable frame rates. Phil has already stated Scorpio is designed specifically with 4k gaming in mind which they are betting 4k TVs will be much cheaper by then. Heck gaming industry influences the TV makret alot btw.

GameNameFame2869d ago (Edited 2869d ago )

@Darth

Most games do not run 1080P on Xbox.

Almost all games 99% runs 1080P on PS4.

@donthate

It is so hilarious to change tune...

When Xbox was behind, it didnt matter. Now you think Xbox Scorpio has and edge, it suddenly matters.

Well too bad, there isnt much reason own Scorpio. People are already preferring to buy PC and just play all Xbox games.

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xfiles20992869d ago

So basically Between the Scorpio and Neo games will look the same and run the same Unless you have a 4k television

ShadowKnight2869d ago (Edited 2869d ago )

It will look and run the same on both consoles regardless of 4K. Its gonna really come down to the first party developers. The Xbox one and PS4 install base is gonna stop these powerful consoles from reaching there potential. They can't leave behind the 60 million users

Fatal-Aim2869d ago (Edited 2869d ago )

But the teraflops is the answer

LoL

Festano2869d ago (Edited 2869d ago )

So these old-ass consoles will be limiting us for years to come. How sad...

Aloy-Boyfriend2869d ago (Edited 2869d ago )

Developers should make the games for PS4 and Xbox One, then port them over to Neo and Scorpio and use the remaining power to push graphics and framerate further. That'd eb alright. Everyone gets to play the same game but at different specs. Everyone gets what they pay for

If Neo and Scorpio version won' take advantage of their power, what's the point then?

Eidolon2869d ago

My thoughts from the beginning, pointless if developers can't take advantage, would only appeal to 4K owners. The problem he's saying is that Devs won't build for the Neo/Scorpio, and instead build for PS4/Xb1 and then port/tweak it for the Neo/Scorpio for improved framerate/graphics. The games that would be built for the Neo/Scorpio from the ground up instead would look better, no doubt.

Omnislashver362869d ago (Edited 2869d ago )

Well Neo is just over 2x as powerful as PS4, so it's obvious NEO mode will be doubling framerate for many games. Other games like Battlefield/Battlefront/Parago n/FFXV will get an increase from 900p to 1080p.

I actually prefer 30fps for narrative driven games and only prefer 60fps for FPS games, so I'm hoping more games stay at 30fps and increase graphics. Or, what I might do, is keep my NEO on 1080i to keep my story-based games at 30fps, and just buy an Xbox Scorpio and make that my FPS box for 60fps games.

@Disagrees
I have my reasoning in preferring 30fps on narrative driven games, you on the otherhand, are faceless cowards.

Hold_It2869d ago (Edited 2869d ago )

I'd imagine it'd be bragging rights, until they both officially leave X1 and PS4 in the dust.

NirvanaInChains2869d ago

Thats what they are doing...and thats how it is now if you buy any multi plat game you can play it on ultra settings on a good pc. Nothing new. Sounds like your just use to the setting being on low/medium Due to playing console versions. No porting needed as all games currently out are THAT much better on a nice pc. Just youtube any game out now on pc ultra setting and you will see what scorpio and neo can do. Still the same game just nicer graphics, Effects ect.

_-EDMIX-_2869d ago (Edited 2869d ago )

"Developers should make the games for PS4 and Xbox One, then port them over to Neo and Scorpio"

No.

They will not be ports. You don't get different versions of PC games, you get 1 version and it runs on many different set ups, that is what PS4.5 and Scorpio are. Upgraded versions of the same platforms that play the same games but better.

I assume they will be using it to push better resolution and frame likely from their PC builds.

"If Neo and Scorpio version won' take advantage of their power, what's the point then?"

Performance. Its not to EXCLUSIVELY use the systems power to make a title, it is to use the power remaining to increase certain features.

When a GTX 1080 comes out, do you see games exclusively taking "advantage" of it? No developer is just going to say its GTX 1080 exclusive or anything like that. They will support it in the respect that their games can run on it, but NOT in the respect that is made for that exact GPU and only for it as it again makes very little sense.

How many do you think own high end GPUs? Well how many do you think will even own such high end consoles? Maybe not enough for a company to even do such a thing.

Upscaling to 4k and native 1080 with high frames is good enough, I don't expect any company making some huge exclusive for one or the other.

Consider what I stated about PC, do you know of a developer that is making a title that requires a GTX 1080 just to run?

The appeal is the increased performance, they won't exclusively create and render only for such devices because the actually don't on PC. Performance is good enough for most as I again don't recall it working that way with PC with most developers.

stuna12869d ago

Serious question to you or anyone that can possibly answer.

I always hear about developing for the lowest denominator and porting so that consoles and PC's can have and in a lot of regards take advantage of similar settings. My question is knowing most PC's and game engines have the ability to scale a game and its assets, for multiplatform games! Why is it so hard to downscale a game and its assets From the high end PC's that these games are made on to take advantage of lower end PC's and consoles alike, and still be able to exploit everything that these machines below it can offer at that point in time.

I understand things need to be optimized.

freshslicepizza2869d ago

i imagine as time goes by some games will be unplayable on the xbox one, then later on the xbox scorpio and so on. the pc does not fall behind the consoles even though they don't get regular generation gaps like they do. what does happen is the older hardware just ends up running the game so poorly people are pretty much forced to upgrade at that point. i expect the same thing will now happen on consoles, at least the xbox.

same dilemma with cellphones and tablets, there comes a point people pretty much need to upgrade if they want to keep up with the latest apps, games and even operating systems.

Bruh2869d ago

Or you could out-source the PS4/One ports and have the main developers work on the Neo and Scorpio versions. Just matters on how much 3rd party developers want to spend on production, along with the time in production as well.

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ninjazfistz2869d ago

Its best when they develop for PC then just downgrade the settings until console can handle them (resolution, special effects, textures, aliasing, etc)

Letthewookiewin2869d ago (Edited 2869d ago )

It's going to be the same situation as what the remasters offer. From PS3/360 to the HD remaster on PS4/X1. Until devs start ditching the X1 & PS4 we won't see massive differences. For instance switching a game on the PC from medium settings to High. The biggest thing these new systems will offer is better VR fidelity. And eventually exclusive games for Neo and Scorpio.

GTgamer2869d ago

Do you know how messed up it would be if they left early adopters behind -_-

_-EDMIX-_2869d ago

The new skus were never made to be new platforms ie exclusives, their own market etc.

frostypants2869d ago (Edited 2869d ago )

Are old-ass PCs limiting games that can also run on them?

iTechHeads2869d ago

How is that sad? How are these consoles old? They came out in 2013, not even 3 years old yet.

donthate2869d ago

They will limit you for 3-4 years or so, and then Sony/MS restarts another mid-cycle upgrade replacing XB1/PS4, and then Neo/Scorpio will be the limiting factor. The full cycle is likely to be around 5-7years per console.

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xfiles20992869d ago

All the extra power the Scorpio has is for 4k gaming and if you do not have a 4k Television you will not notice a difference between Scorpio and NEO. Both will be able to target 1080p 60 with no problems,Scorpio will be able to target 4k a bit easier NEO may have to upscale to 4k but without a 4k Television you will not be able to see a difference So you have to ask yourself is the Scorpio really worth it to you if the NEO does the same thing at a cheaper price.

Sunny_D2869d ago

Man, see I Always knew these mid gen upgraded consoles was a lot of quack. If you're going to improve specs of a console then wait for NEXT GEN.

Brandnewfan6102869d ago

This mindset of graphics over gameplay is just stupid. Ya'll act like it's the end of the world if a game doesn't look up to your standards graphically. What the hell did ya'll play back in the day. Seriously...

JackBNimble2869d ago

Old ass consoles ? Lol , these consoles have only been in the market for 2years 8 months . Old ass consoles, what the f*ck are you talking about.

Playable_Gamez2868d ago

Old consoles? They only been out for 3 years. They are still babies.

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Mithan2869d ago

The problem is that even with these new specs, 4k wont run very well, it will be the same mixed performance that 1080p today on the PS4 and Xbox One, which barely run 1080p in most games at a good frame rate.

I own a 980 Ti, it runs 1440p very well, but there are a few games that get a little clunky at that Resolution, but it sucks at 4K, unless you like 30fps or less, or worse yet, turning down graphics settings so it looks like Quake 2, which I hate.

The new consoles will not match the graphics performance of a 980 Ti, which is fine, but it gives us a prelude of what we can expect at 4K.

There is WAY too much fuss put on resolution, and not enough put on overall graphics quality (texture resolution, shaders, effects, etc, etc). Look at the PS4 version of Fallout 4, they took the fog out to increase performance and a lot of people were pissed, because it affects the look of the game.

I would prefer another 4 years of GREAT 1080p performance with incredible graphics, than cutting down graphics fidelity, so we can have 4K.

So much is going to be sacrificed so the Marketing Departments can have the 4K Check Box filled.

It is sad.

My view is that 4K gaming is probably 2 generations away, which probably puts it at 2018 or 2019 with these new "constant upgrade cycles" that Sony and Microsoft are now following.

We will see.

Alexious2869d ago

I have a 980Ti SLI and I agree with you, but don't forget that consoles can squeeze a lot more power than any GPU ever will, even with DirectX 12.

Just think that the Xbox One has a mere 1.3 TFLOPS and is capable of doing things like Gears of War 4. By comparison, the GTX 970 has over 3X TFLOPS...But you're right that obviously the consoles will still push 4K gaming at medium graphics settings. Ultra settings will remain only for high-end PC, as usual.

Eidolon2869d ago

That's why 4K will be still an option, I'll still be 1080P gaming. With Neo, they plan on improving 1080p gaming. Also, 4K is a setting in itself, haven't played on a 4K screen but woudln't it depend on how good 1080p ultra graphics looks on your screen vs 4K and medium. I know playing 720p on some games on my 1080p TV hurts my eyes(not literally).

Zeref2869d ago (Edited 2869d ago )

NEO probably wont be able to do 4k60fps if it launches this year. but Scorpio on the other hand is coming out late next year. They can definitely build a true 4k60fps console by then,

@below
You're probably the same guys that said 6tflops Xbox isn't true.

Pandamobile2869d ago

4k60 isn't likely unless you're rendering simplistic graphics.

Take a look at what the GTX 980/1070 can do in 4k benchmarks. That's about where Scorpio will be.

Mithan2869d ago

No, they can't, unless your playing Xbox 360 quality games.

Sunny_D2869d ago

Panda is right. He's been a PC gamer and what he said is basically what I knew of these new consoles. They will be half assed.

Eldyraen2869d ago

True as have a 980ti too but consoles don't run games on Ultra so 4K is more reasonable and possible at 30-60 quite regularly at console level graphics. Worst case scenario is we probably get more 1440p games up scaled to 4K which is still a big improvement for many games (vegetation especially sees big benefits in resolution differences as movement and small details really benefit similar to better AA).

Some games will simply be 1080/60 and Ultra as 989ti (which is close to what Scorpio is from sound of it) as it spits those games out easily. Still a big improvement in my book. Upscaled 4K and what these new consoles can push can be a great option. 4K native now and again for some though.

Bigpappy2869d ago

There is a reason they are releasing late next year and not this year like the Neo.

freshslicepizza2869d ago

hopefully the new scorpio will allow some options so you can get better performance if you dont want to play in 4k.

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Phil322869d ago

Not really interested in these newer consoles. I think I'll just go with the OG models.

Alexious2869d ago

Understandable. That's why they're not going to be discontinued for many years yet, the new consoles are for higher end consumers which are a minority.

Phil322869d ago

Yeah, I'm honestly totally ignorant about terraflops and all that technical stuff. Sometimes it's fun being dumb! hehe

ninjazfistz2869d ago (Edited 2869d ago )

Well trust me you don't want the OG ps4. This thing is loud and hot. Hopefully you buy the latest revision that is cooler or just build a PC/wait for nx

Sunny_D2869d ago

Why do act like a personal anecdote means you're speaking for everyone? I have a OG for a few years and Mine still runs perfectly fine even when I play Uncharted for hours.

one2thr2869d ago

@ninja

Clean your system.

T8 or T9, and Philips head screw drivers.

Q-Tips

1 can of compressed air or air compressor and a vacuum cleaner.

This task shouldn't take more than 15 minutes to complete, when finished your PS4 will sound like a brand new one.

(Well mine does)

JackBNimble2869d ago

I must be one of the lucky ones then , because my ps4 is pretty damn quiet .

JackBNimble2869d ago

One2thr
I would agree with everything until you mentioned the vacuum clean. Never ever use a vacuum on any of your electronic devices .

ninjazfistz2869d ago

@one2thr Good advice. Agree vote for you. I haven't disassembled mine since launch day. The person who disagreed with you probably also has a loud ps4 lol

one2thr2868d ago (Edited 2868d ago )

@Jack

With that mind set, no one should ever use an air compressor, seeing that it can sometimes spit out condensated water on to a water sensitive electronic device.

A can of compressed air can also spit out super cold fluid, on to an electronic device.

Each item has there own individual threats to electronics, that can easily be avoid with small precautions.

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i3eyond the Circle2869d ago

I know there's people out their just itching to raid the comments of side by side comparisons and DF analysis'

Holiday 2017 is going to be a nerd rage filled time. I think I may just not comment on here at that time lol.

SaveFerris2869d ago

PC vs Scorpio vs Neo vs Xbox One S vs PS4 vs Xbox One. Can't wait /s

iTechHeads2869d ago

Xbox One S = Xbox One
Same specs, same performance, same power, same everything.

It's just a slimmer box.

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ZeekQuattro4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Turned based Phantasy Star and Shinning Force remain at the top of my list of Sega IPs that need to return. At the very least I'd take a Shining Force collection that has 1,2,3, CD and the Game Gear entries.

FinalBoss4d ago

I was hesitant to put these two on. I've personally played more PSO than the RPG version. And shame on me, I don't remember much about Shining Force to talk about it properly.

That said, so many Sega licences deserve their place in this list.

jznrpg2d ago

A new Phantasy Star in the numbered series would be amazing. Shining Force too. But I’d settle on some collections as that’s probably the best we will get

anast4d ago

I don't trust Sega to do a proper comeback. The games will be just remastered and/or monetized to death.

gold_drake3d ago

shining force.

but indont see that happening unfortunately.

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Former Blizzard President Suggests Players Should Have Option to Tip Developers

Former Blizzard president Mike Ybarra recently suggested an interesting concept that has sparked a debate among gamers - the idea of being able to tip developers after completing a game.

LG_Fox_Brazil10d ago

If I had a 100% way to be sure that this money would go to a fund or a reserve dedicated only to the guys who develop the games, be them designers, artists, programmers and so on, I could think about it.

But we all know that this 'tip' would only end up in a publisher's CEO pocket to buy a new yacht, so, no, I ain't tipping anyone anytime soon on this industry

neutralgamer19929d ago

Exactly these companies were raising money for good causes and gamers were donation and come to find out they are keeping a good chunk of be pie

PapaBop9d ago

Yeah tip your developer, 5% proceeds go to developer, 95% to the publisher or whoever. Isn't tipping for staff not making minimum wage? How about they just pay their developers properly and like you know, give them fair bonuses? Too much to ask from Blizzard these days, Kotick saw to that and is now laughing all the way to the bank.

MrDead9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

It's the t**ts at the top looking at ways to cut devs wages and get the players to tip them like waiting staff, and I'll guarantee a percentage is skimmed and kept by Activision Blizzard. This is 100% for shareholder and CEO playouts.

Popsicle9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

I have to agree with this. On the surface tipping devs sounds like a great idea, but in the end it leads to pay cuts and subsidization of pay. Tips then become an expectation or the devs “can’t make a living.” Lastly, especially in the US, tip culture has gotten out of control, and it serves as an excuse not to properly pay employees. Sounds good but doesn’t end well.

drizzom8d ago

@ Popsicle

I think your right on the nose with how much tipping has become rampant. Instead of it being a relationship directly between the customer and the developer or employee, it now has a middle man ingrained in the system. DoorDash is one example. It ends up becoming a metric where the company can measure 'just how much more money you are willing to part with' before raising the price on the main product.

1Victor9d ago

Uh so they’re trying triple dip or more we buy the game that they’re already withholding/cutting content for dlc we was told that season pass would help the developers thrive we felt for it.
Now on top of all that plus their sales bonus they want tips enough is enough whatever happens to you create/built a good game get a bonus for sales milestones you care about your game and community we reward you with more sales not for doing 3/4 of a game then save the other 1/4 for dlc and passes after

raWfodog9d ago

The 'tip' is me buying your game in the first place.

S2Killinit9d ago

Very well said. If it was possible to send the money to either the developer or some organization for the betterment of gaming, sure. But we all know that will not be the case.

Rynxie9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

No, it would go to those on the top. They will still fire developers, have a bunch of microtransactions, raise prices of games and so on.

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H910d ago

So they eventually don't pay their workers and depend on our tips to pay them like the case with waiters!

Deeeeznuuuts9d ago

That kind of practice is only normal in the states, as far as I know anyway, what a backwards system

H99d ago

No it's as well in a every country that wants to amercanize

bloop9d ago

Ireland is literally the first stop across the pond and we don't have a tipping culture. The only establishments here that would expect a tip are the tourist haunts that Americans visit. Other than that, you might tip in a restaurant as a sign of gratitude for great service and waiting staff would be paid a full wage anyway.

Rebel_Scum9d ago

Tipping is not customary iin most countries dude. Get a passport lol.

Jin_Sakai10d ago

Is this a joke? How about the big wigs giving up some of their pay for their hard working developers.

MrBaskerville9d ago

Maybe the CEO could earn his money based on tips.

mastershredder10d ago

good god. The devs are not baristas dude. Total 1% ideals. Fing Chadosaurus.

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