The Division Beta Had 22% Of The Full Game's Map; Dark Zone Is 18% Of The Total Map

According to some map comparisons, The Division beta had 22% of the full map. Also, the Dark Zone comprises 18% of the total playable map.

[odderz]

Wow Dark Zone seems pretty small, to be honest? I thought the Dark Zone was the best part of the beta. Fighting against people going rogue - and going rogue yourself - was definitely my favourite part.

[kaiserfranz]

I agree but not everyone can handle PvP where you can even lose loot. In fact, I'm surprised an AAA developer actually went through with this mode

[Guyfamily999]

I won't be playing that. I prefer to enjoy my games, not stress out over them. Losing loot puts this game off my map, as does any other game with such a model.

[Dark_Crow]

Maybe they'll change the mode of they see people don't like it.

I think the idea is awesome but maybe there should be a limitation.

Limitation either on the rogue or a limitsion on how much he takes or what he takes

[PeaSFor]

i dont like the pvp aspect of the darkzone, i dont feel like wasting my time getting backstabbed and loosing my stuff(i dont mind it if its in Demons souls or BloodBorne because i only have myself to blame if i fail, but its mainly because of assholes in the DIVISION, it almost felt like playing with GTAV online annoying cunts all over again, and i dont really feel the whole bullet sponge concept if the enemies are simply humans.....with more health/shield, because the last thing i want to do is shoots 4 full clips into a single enemie over and over and over just to realise that there wont be new enemies types, just more humans with more health.. and more assholes waiting to piss peoples off by killing them just when theyre about to extract their stuff.

..that said i will probably buy it and be a lone wolf since i still see a lot of quality in it and i always like loot based games.

[WellyUK]

So many cry babies who can't deal with losing loot or dying lol... No wonder why games are so pathetically easy now. Massive saw how popular Dayz was and wanted to make something easier which is what The division DZ is and PvP is a massive part of the appeal of this game and is the key part which will give it any replay ability.

The Darkzone is the only reason to be interested in this game, it's crap as a SP RPG the alpha and beta proved that as everything outside the DZ was just boring and uninteresting.

The entire map should be the DZ in my opinion which would of been awesome as you would always get different encounters for every mission or quest which would of made the game much better. You make a world that is supposed to be brutal and unforgiving yet it feels nothing like it outside of the DZ. Kind of disappointing as The Division was a risk worth taking to make Multiplayer survival sandbox games a thing on consoles. But they went down the easy path and made an RPG...

[PeaSFor]

"No wonder why games are so pathetically easy now"

a game can be hard without being annoying due to assholes, btw why so hostile?

sorry but annoying assholes ≠ hard game.

[bcrazy18]

@WellyUK, one of the 3 expansions in the season pass turns the entire map into the Dark Zone from what I've heard.

[yezz]

@WellyUK

Laying the complete map as darkzone would be an incredibly stupid move. Huge amount of players would completely lose the interest to this game.. Maybe it could be a different mode where the whole map would be the Darkzone and you could get better gear etc. but no way it should be forced!

This has nothing to do with difficulty. I personally don't want to get my relaxing gaming night ruined by some asshole who will kill everybody "just because"..

[Alexander1Nevermind]

@ Guyfamily999

Gotta admit the 1st time I got ganked in the DZ I was pretty pissed/hurt/butt****'ed. I adjusted my play style and learned to stay out of site the best I could when running solo. I also learned to not be the last to attach loot to the chopper.....One of my favorite moments in the game was when I lost two blues and I went back in looking for the culprits, they were engaged in a fierce battle and I was able to deal the final blow on two of the 3 and get all my loot back and some of theirs.

[Pongwater]

@Welly - "The Darkzone is the only reason to be interested in this game, it's crap as a SP RPG the alpha and beta proved that"

In your opinion.

A lot of streamers and videos have said otherwise. I was on the fence about this game for that very reason until I watched enough to prove playing solo is perfectly viable and fun. Having the entire map be Dark Zone would be a horrible idea. I just watched a vid on YT where a group was camping the entrance to the DZ, killing all who entered before they even had a chance to get any loot. You think that would be good for the game? Think again.

[wsoutlaw87]

Wellyuk is right, the original pvp they talked about was a situation where you could run into someone else at any time and they could be friend or enemy. It sounded almost dark souls like. Instead because some people are scared of online games they turned it into an area mode that is just dumb. They talked about this being an mmo, but with these changes its just a coop rpg with bad ai and gun play that is a let down to the tom clancy games, and also has a mp free roam mode. The dark zones will get old and exploited real quick

[WellyUK]

seems to me that the people interested in this game now shouldn't of been interested in the first place... They pretty much showed it as being a survival MMO with the whole map being the DZ and the potential for player encounters any where on the map. Sadly they had to cater to the vocal people who wanted it to a be a SP RPG rather than letting them take a risk and shake up gaming and make something NEW especially on consoles. Instead we are left with a game just like destiny that doesn't really know what it is and doesn't excel in any area.

[PeaSFor]

@WellyUK

sorry but your opinion isnt worthy to see after reading this.

WellyUK: "DayZ mod is better than everything you can play on consoles..."

so yeah, youre going directly on my ignore list, have a nice day.

[Sevir]

That's the dynamic of darkzone... risk reward of surviving a balls to walls every man for himself section of the game which forces players to weigh your options and evaluate risks, plot your escape and so on... Dark Zone isn't for noobs, group up with your closest friends and stick together... that's the main focus of the game... The Division, go solo and you will surely not survive.

I love that about the game and I certainly plan on getting it. No need to change the mode, but balance the weapons more so people enjoy the weapon they carry when they take on missions or fight off a high level rogue with tons of HP

[thekhurg]

Not that big of a deal. People that don't want to deal with it still have access to every piece of high level stuff in the game. Just at a slower pace without any risk of loss.

[Pongwater]

"They pretty much showed it as being a survival MMO with the whole map being the DZ and the potential for player encounters any where on the map."

No, they pretty much didn't. They showed a section of the map with both NPCs and real players as enemies. In other words, they showed the Dark Zone.

[UKmilitia]

to be fair it didnt happen much with me,infact at times when someone did try it we chased them down and kept getting them.
im not saying it didnt happen but it was certainly fun wondering if someone was going to turn lol.

plus its not like it isnt hard to get the stuff again.

[PeaSFor]

could be nice to see UBI implement some kind of overall rogue stats, the more you go rogue, the more peoples get WAY MORE credit for killing you(unlike the weak incentive that we saw in the beta), so to resume, the target on your head get bigger each times you act like an ass and all the non-hostile agents will have a good incentive to ALWAYS hunt you down non-stop, and it should be a permanent thing so the stats cant reset and it would force you to assume your gameplay style.

[Silver_ShadoWolf]

A bold move for gamers who like a more realistic approach.

[ShadowKing-]

they should make a toggle pvp option, for people who want to kill and grief they can toggle pvp with a 20 min cooldown, so its not instant on and off, this way everyone has the option to just enjoy what darkzone has to offer.

now of course you run into the issue of joining the match with everyone being non-killable butt maybe if you enter the darkzone with pvp on,you will join with pvp on enabled players.

im not sure what they can do, but something like this would be nice to see

[Ceaser9857361]

A player going rouge constantly should receive a high bounty on his head.. If he can survive for 30mins or so the reward would be his or whoever kills him. The bounty wont be removed even if he goes offline or gets out DZ.. Ubi can implement this strategy ...

[Clown_Syndr0me]

Only thing that made the beta interesting. I think the novelty will wear off quick though.

[dms5223]

It's really not that scary of a thing. You only lose what's in your "contaminated bag" and you don't lose anything you have equipped or in your backpack.

I'm glad massive had the balls to implement it. Yeah it will suck sometime in the future when I know I'll lose something good/rare. But if I'm quick I might be able to respawn and get that person back. Not to mention my teammates can guard my gear for me (did this numerous times in the beta).

[xPhearR3dx]

Pretty much this. I can understand if you don't really play online because I've noticed if your by yourself or just with one other people, 3 to 4 player groups tend to muscle those guys since it's damn near a guaranteed win.

PVP will ALWAYS have it's frustrating moments, but when your in a group of 4, people tend to think twice before attacking you (even other 4 player groups), but even when you do get attacked and lose your stuff. The frustration somewhat goes away due to the fun of a 4v4 fight. You win some and you lose some, but I can easily see how people could get discouraged when being ganged up on or constantly being shot in the back.

You can always log out and log back in to find a different instance that's hopefully not full of too many dickish people.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

I was about to say just play with some trustworthy friends. In these sorta games you need teammates that'll have your back.

[wsoutlaw87]

I thought the dz was a huge disappointment. The rouge system was very arcady and silly. It there is a lot of exploits too. I liked how they were planing pvp before everyone wanted a sp only option.

[rdgneoz3]

The only "exploit" or bug they had in the beta was if you ran out of the beta part of the dark zone you got ported to a safe house. There won't be boundaries like that in the retail, as you'll just run into harder level mobs.

[Imp0ssibl3]

How is it arcade and silly? Explain...

[wsoutlaw87]

There are plenty of exploits, glitches, and other crap people we're doing. They have seriously been listed every so i am not going to make you the list. The dz had a ton of issues like invisible players, camping the entrances, wonding people just enough that you don't go rouge but they shoot you.

How is the rouge system not arcady? A timer that puts an emblem over your head for killing someone but then goes away when the time is up. The whole dark zone system is flawed and is just going to lead to it being completely empty except for gankers and trolls with in weeks. It just isn't balanced right or well thought out. The gunplay isn't good enough for good pvp.

[DafunkyRebel]

yep I went in solo and it was frustrating but then I learn the ropes for survival and manage to extract good loot all by myself time and time again

[awi5951]

Well you should play Rust on pc. You can kill and raid peoples homes and bases all day and steal all their stuff and leave them naked and they have to start over from scratch after hours of work.

[Codewow]

Well if the DZ remains locked at 30 people, it's going to seem way too big because in the beta even when the DZ was full there was still times where my group went without seeing a single person for a few minutes.

[ccgr]

Have yet to play this...glad it's being well received.

[Festano]

Ubisoft should add more zones ASAP, I think it will be still small

[PeaSFor]

still bigger than fallout3 and 4 map.

[wsoutlaw87]

Size is hard to determine game to game because you have to consider scale and travel speed. You also can't go in the buildings that make up the majority of the map

[jchaplin2]

So many great games in 2016. Can't wait to get to this one!

[Imp0ssibl3]

True. I can barely find the time to play some of the releases!

[Duke19]

Still excited for this one for sure, although thats disappointing that the beta's map was almost 1/4th of the game...

Luckily Im sure new areas will be added on - but the question will be: for how much?

[Goldby]

it was a 1/4 of the map, but with the way the map is built, there may be areas (inside bulding thats only accessible in the parts that werent included. remember too that the beta, only had 1 mission. so the 1/4 size is still rather big, and will definitly be populated

[CP_Company]

i look at the map i see that PVP beta map is took more then 18% and PVE map was smaller...very interesting to see that calculation :/

[WellyUK]

The PvE area is way bigger as it surrounds the DZ.

[Officialxandr]

Game was pretty big IMO, so hearing this definitely makes me excited.

[Chris_Wray]

Sounds good that the game be this big. Let's hope Ubi manage to not screw it up!

[sarlucic]

Keep in mind that there are indoors area and also a lot of instances, so it is hard to tell just how big the playable area is.

[kaiserfranz]

Well, we don't yet know if there are many instances. And I'm also hoping they have some "raids" or something like that for endgame

[jhhood]

only a small portion of the dark zone was even available during the beta too. I recall seeing plenty of people complaining about having to run places because it took a while to get there. NYC is only so big. I'm sure there will be plenty of quests that allow you to go areas where you couldnt go otherwise. There will be plenty to do.

[_harlemnite]

This game isn't NYC. NYC is Manhattan, Bronx, Queens, Brooklyn, and Staten Island. The full game is Mid Town Manhattan only. It's not even close to the full Manhattan, nor NYC.

[Oschino1907]

What's funny is some people are all bent out of shape that it isn't all of NYC. Manhattan alone is over 20sq miles of land not counting underground. All of NYC would be over 300sq miles of above ground land. Add the water area and it's almost 470sq miles. The underground would be a whole other ridiculous size.

I am just happy it's almost 1:1 and it should look and feel just as dense and enormous as Manhattan really is. I fully expect more area to open up down the road but unless they plan on making this a long term multi year game I wouldn't expect to see all of NYC. Manhattan alone could keep every one busy for a few years easily imo.

Things I am hopeful of and would prefer before going to more boroughs or full Manhattan would be:

A similar almost 1:1 of the underground not so much service tunnels but rail stations, sewers, car tunnels, buildings that have multiple floors underground, etc... With service tunnels connecting them.

A similar almost 1:1 of the subways and train rails below and above ground.

Open up even more buildings with plenty of interior exploration especially larger ones and allow plenty of rooftop access.

[AudioEppa]

Dame this game will be big.

Imagine the division LA... Are somewhere even bigger :D

It would be cool if they let us move around on a bicycle or something.

I was actually surprised and happy you can access some buildings, I hope there's more of that.

[_harlemnite]

This game isn't NYC. The full game is mid town Manhattan only, not even close to the full size of Manhattan, nor NYC. Manhattan is only 1/5 of NYC. NYC consist of Manhattan, Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, and Staten Island,

[Goldby]

Division GTA (Greater Toronto Area)

[Gardenia]

Could turn out to be like Destiny. Fun at first but after 2-3 weeks not much more to do

[cfc83]

Not good news. Infact a rip off if they have held back on area content. I think i'll save for Uncharted instead.

[Lon3wolf]

Pre-ordered the Gold version after playing Alpha and Beta, I enjoy both the campaign (can be played co-op too) and my limited DZ time.

[Cybermario]

i have mixed feelings with this, i feel it's okay to be only 18% of the game so this wont turn into DayZ and games like Rust in which people will be just hunting you down for your items, that wont be funny and would kill the game real fast.

In the other hand 18% seems a bit small, hope they have more content to show us to make the rest of the game worth to play for a long time.

[FourtyPoundSteak]

My friends and I thought the Dark Zone was simply amazing. The tense environment of trying to extract some rare loot made that game unlike others. I'm amazed at how many people dislike that feature...

[KOIMOJO]

Same here and my firends weren't even in the beta so I was either solo or with randoms and it was awesome.

[objdadon]

Like you said, "your friends." Darkzone sucks solo especially when you're minding your own business and assholes shoot you even though you're waving at them. Lol, the game's community will get smaller and smaller, trust me.

[--Onilink--]

well, considering the underground areas, inside of buildings and more importantly, that story missions can take place inside separate areas, Im ok with that map size.

Im more worried about how much things can be put on a map to make it feel full of things to do and find, rather that one big pile of nothing, especially considering that there are no vehicles and fast travel is only to Base camps (and not at all in the Dark Zone)

[kaiserfranz]

I'm okay with no vehicles and limited fast travel. But there should be some sort of dynamic events happening in the world to make it feel more alive.

[jjb1981]

There's different levels of verticality to the map so that adds volume to the game. Being able to go into buildings makes gunfights much more dynamic. Just sayin'

[gums007]

I get a kick out how many people are crying about the idea of loot being stolen and they won't play The Division because of it. It's only a video game! Can you do anything in your personal life with loot that you collect in a video game? No, so wipe your vag and get over it.

[Nodoze]

Can anyone comment on the scope of the beta? More specifically the number of buildings that could be entered? Is this more like GTA in that only very specific bldgs can be accessed, or is it more open than that?

From what I have read and have seen in beta videos it looks good, but before diving in want to get a feel for the level of environment interaction.

TIA

[deaddragonz]

I dont really care for multiplayer games and was disappointed in the lack of single player campaign news at first. After playing the beta and the dark zone with some random people, it was actually kind of fun. Comingfrom someone who prefers to play alone.

[WDBII]

Kind of? Now don't lie

[Aurenar]

This game is HUGE. I'll love it!!!

[WDBII]

Nice... After playing the alpha with barely any players, to playing the beta with many players... I can't wait for this game.

[Tankbusta40]

22% and 18% that's a bit troubling. 1/4th is almost what Destiny's beta showed us and the full game got old pretty quickly

[leemo19]

As long as the DZ doesn't take over most of the map I'll be fine with it. I love the DZ what it brings, but after a while it can get boring.

[McGamer]

22%, that's way too small. It looks like EA is trying to put out another Destiny type game with small zones and limited, repeating content.

[coryNcali]

I played the beta for almost 40 hours and i loved the dz, both going rogue or chasing rogues where extremely fun. I had tumes where after an epic 15 minute chase i ended up being killed by a bot out of nowhere and it was fantastic, you really have to stay on your toes. I had too much fun to be upset when i lost loot and the tension of not knowing if people would turn on you was unlike any pvp in any games ive played before. No game can please everyone, but im so glad this is something new and is actually innovative rather then just the same ol pvp modes pretty much every other game has

[objdadon]

The best exotic,legendary, ect weapons and gear should never be locked behind pvp in a loot driven game period. The community will be nonexistent soon after release if they go forward with that nonsense. Who the hell wants to waste their time coming out of the darkzone entrance to be killed by those who camp the spawns?GTFOH!

[masterfox]

the other 88 % you will get it in season passes, extra pays for DLCs, downloaded in the next year. No way I'm buying their PR BS!

[gums007]

If you happen to change your mind, I'll be waiting for you at the dark zone entrance. XOXO

[skratchy]

At first I loved this game, then I was on the fence for a while, but now I can definitely see that this is sort of the future of online/multiplayer gaming. It is shaping up real nice. I love the dark zone concept