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"I could do with a bit more money!": Yu Suzuki on the return of Shenmue

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Yu Suzuki doesn't have as much time as he used to. For the past five years, the director and designer famous for classic Sega games such as Out Run, Afterburner and Virtua Fighter has been making the daily 90-minute commute to his small office in Ebisu, a district in Tokyo's Shibuya ward, to tinker with ideas and designs. To call his life leisurely would be a stretch, but he's been out of the public eye for much of that time, working on mobile games that never made their way to the west, and on ideas that never made their way to fruition. In June this year, Suzuki made his return to big-name games development in the grandest possible way.

"Kickstarter's finished, so we know what the minimum budget is. We completed the game flow at the end of August, this month we're testing the game engine for Shenmue to see how it works. The team's a lot smaller than when we was working on Shenmue 2. But the process is just beginning - at this point we only need a small team. We said we'd get it out for Christmas 2017. Now I've got to work towards that, because that's what I said."

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suckingeggs3117d ago

Ask Sony..

If not Im sure Microsoft would help to have it on their console

Godmars2903117d ago

Except by now contractual comments have been made.

thereapersson3117d ago

I agree, however the initial funding and contractual obligations have been finalized in documented form. They should have put up a larger Kickstarter campaign, so it's their fault for underestimating the demand for a new Shenmue title.

Crimzon3117d ago

No worries. If you read the article you'll see that he's already talking about Shenmue 4.

Yay.

Godmars2903117d ago

With Kickstarter it seems to be either not enough money was asked for, or whoever asked for it can't manage it. Nevermind the final result.

Would much rather see a return to traditional funding than witness all of this drama and begging.

XBLSkull3117d ago

Seems like a great scam, "Finance this game," game never comes out, pocket cash. Wonder if I could pull this off...

G20WLY3117d ago

^Chill out XBSkull, nobody's saying it's not coming, they're just talking about budgeting.

As for whether you could 'pull it off', I'm sure you could, you seem an expert in the field..

Army_of_Darkness3117d ago

The more this guy keeps asking us for money, the more I start too lose interest in this game....

Bimkoblerutso3116d ago (Edited 3116d ago )

God, I'm pretty much done with all this Kickstarting, Early access, crowd-funding BS once and for all. I'm so tired of this crap.

You would think that seasoned developers would be the safer bet to invest money in, but you're honestly just as well off investing in some small, unproven indie project. It's pathetic.

Crowd-funding has made it very clear that a lot of these celebrity developers are either completely inept at handling money, or outright con-artists.

abstractel3116d ago (Edited 3116d ago )

I like the way Project C.A.R.S. did it, making everyone an investor basically. That's how I'd want to do it. Wouldn't feel fair otherwise. Work out a method to give people back based on earnings that works. Then when you take a risk, you know you stand to gain something as well as help a project get off the ground that wouldn't perhaps through a traditional route and also give the developers the freedom to make their vision without publisher interference.

Don't forget that we've gotten plenty of great games through Kickstarter. There's always going to be the rotten apples. Project CARS, despite the Wii U debacle, succeeded and made a great game.

I agree that it looks bad of Suzuki to beg for money. If they didn't think they could make it on the budget (they even hit several stretch goals) they shouldn't have put it up. I do think however, it's realistic that it will release by Christmas 2017. Also, it makes perfect sense at this stage to have a small team. That's how it works. You only ramp up when everything is in place. He'd be financially wreckless if he staffed up before the game was at a stage where he needed lots of assets made, or sound recorded etc.

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fermcr3117d ago (Edited 3117d ago )

Since he signed console exclusivity (or timed ??) for Sony, ask them for money.

As for asking Microsoft for money, I don't think so... after all the publicity and attention Shenmue 3 gave the PS4, at this moment Microsoft would probably tell Yu Suzuki to **** off.
Like it or not, Shenmue 3 is already associated with PS4 (even if it's released on the X1). So Microsoft producing Shenmue 3, from a business stand point it would make little sense.

Ck1x3117d ago

This is how I feel, it shouldn't even be a question of where he should get more money from. If you need to ask the public for money, then the game should be coming to as many systems available on the market. I'm not a fan of these crowd sourced funded projects of late. There are some good ones out there, but I think when anything is prefunded the drive to work harder for a great product goes down...

Gazondaily3117d ago

"after all the publicity Shenmue 3 gave the PS4, at this moment Microsoft would probably tell Yu Suzuki to **** of"

I highly doubt it. I think it would be MS who would be the ones approaching Suzuki cap in hand.

TwoForce3117d ago

I did remember the article about Xbox Boss didn't want to revive Shenmues franchise because this is a Sega Game. Shenmue communities has started a campaign in 2014 aka " SaveShenmue". I looked at twitter, they wanted MS, Sony and Nintendo to saved this franchise . Some other say MS was about to revive Shenmue, because the second was on Xbox and some other said that Nintedo always give people what they want, but it didn't happen. And then Sony made it happen. Shenmue fans doesn't care which companies to revive, they only care who are willing to take it. They can't trust Sega, because Sega trolled them so badly.

Godmars2903117d ago

No, especially if it meant they got it day and date of a PS4 release - before - I could see MS falling over themselves to dump cash his way.

freshslicepizza3117d ago

i would imagine sony's investment so far would mean no possibility of this coming to another console. they don't even have a team in place yet and he's still looking for more money. so saying it's coming by christmas 2017 is highly optimistic.

sony should just take over as producer and be done with it so they can assist in the development of the game. kind of like what they are doing with street fighter. this whole thing is starting to sound like a nightmare, no wonder nobody really wanted to fully support it.

i think some people are just caught up in nostalgia but this guy hasn't really done anything in 15 years.

rainslacker3116d ago

I doubt they'd treat him like that. But I can't imagine there is much incentive for MS to do anything at the moment. At most, about all they would probably offer is to pay for the port to the X1 should they feel it would be beneficial, but even then, it's likely Sony has some clause to get it first.

@CK

I would agree if no parameters were given up front about where it would be available. Since they were quite clear about what platforms it was coming to, it seems people could make an informed decision...at least if they bothered to ignore the nay-saying and actually listen to the facts.

I'm not a fan of fan funding either...at least not on a project such as this, but when traditional channels fail, they have the right to go to alternate sources. The fact they were able to get Sony behind it, and announce it was quite impressive since while it was a good faith move for many in Sony's favor, they obviously knew it would draw a lot of criticism. Luckily that kind of criticism is contained to forums which hardly reflect the real world.

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Harryseveruspotter3117d ago

No profit in asking sony...because microsoft will help to have it....!!!

S2Killinit3117d ago (Edited 3117d ago )

@suckingeggs
suckingegg: "ask Sony..."

response: it doesn't work that way...

have you ever wondered why game development companies go out of business, if they could just make a game and ask for the publisher to pay for the making of it? why would they ever go out of business? If Suzuki wants Sony to pay for development cost, he will have to sell the ip itself to Sony. No publisher PAYS for development of a game, not unless they have bought the ip itself. (of course this is the simplified version) So please don't assume that entertainment law is that simple. There is so much intricacies that for you to say "ask Sony" only helps destroy the game we have all been asking for for a millinia. Instead why don't we help him make Shnemue...

_-EDMIX-_3117d ago

Agreed, but I'm not sure he owns the IP to that series. I also don't see SEGA selling the IP, unless Sony gave the a really good offer, who knows, it is an IP SEGA has legit done nothing with.

rainslacker3116d ago

Sega owns the IP, and I don't see why they wouldn't sell it. I'd imagine though that given the nature of the IP, they'd probably want more than it's worth. In this case, it means Sony would be spending money for a name, and have no actual game to go with it, increasing costs, and taking a huge risk on an IP that while popular, has had a troubled sales past.

On this project even, Sony is only paying for the PS4 port of the game as well as some marketing. They aren't funding the entire development, and the company that is funding it was even a bit worried about fronting the money which is why they used the KS to measure it's potential.

That being said, some publishers do pay for games without getting the IP. EA had Titanfall(later paid in part by MS), as well as some others through the same program. MS paid for all the Gears of War games...and later brought the IP. Sony paid for Street Fighter...although the details aren't clear if they fully funded it and the PC port.

Anyhow, as much as I respect and like the Shenmue series, I don't really feel it's a desirable IP for publishers because the name recognition isn't there among the mainstream. It's already 2 generations removed from much of the player base, and most of it's popularity lives on in word of mouth that people talk about over the years. The game itself is rather unique, and while highly innovative for it's time, has been surpassed by other games that it influenced.

lvl_headed_gmr3117d ago (Edited 3117d ago )

It's so sad and pathetic this guy has to e-beg to get his game done.

Sony should be stepping up more activley. If not, cancel the deal with Sony and just go back to MS who wouldn't allow such a display of pathetic money begging to the community to continue.

TwoForce3117d ago

@Army of Darkness Well yeah.

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scark923117d ago (Edited 3117d ago )

I also could do with abit more money lol

TheColbertinator3117d ago

@Scark92

Yup. Could use a new jet ski

scark923117d ago

Looks like you have to stick with the inflatable dinghy :(

roadkillers3117d ago

Weight it...

A better Shenmue or JetSki... Hmmmm...

TheColbertinator3117d ago

@roadkillers

Shenmue. Period.

PizzaSteve3117d ago (Edited 3117d ago )

To me fellow loving N4G buddies. I need money too. I ask for each N4G subscriber to please donate $1. With your generous donation I can buy a PS4.

Christmas is right around the corner. Do you not want to put a small on this kids face? All I ask is 400 people to donate $1.

Sincerely Pizza Steve.

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RedDevils3116d ago (Edited 3116d ago )

^Windows player is shit, you need to try something better. There nothing next gen about X1 as it no longer a new console, if it anything it current gen lol

Gazondaily3117d ago

"If we perhaps compromise on the graphics and put more into the story, we can make a good game. The most important thing, to me, is that the game's interesting, and that it's something people want to play."

An admirable approach really but will rub a lot of people the wrong way. But then he ABSOLUTELY has to nail the story and gameplay. Sometimes incredible visuals can help mask slight deficiencies in other areas but with this game, there is going to a laser focus on every facet of it.

Still, I hope it lives up to the mad levels of expectation.

kingdomtriggers3117d ago

Anyone expecting cutting edge graphics from a kickstarted open-world video game aren't worth trying to please in the first place. Suzuki made the right call.

Gazondaily3117d ago (Edited 3117d ago )

But Kickstarter is the problem then. He clearly is encumbered by the lack of funds.

kingdomtriggers3117d ago

@Septic
No. If he couldn't tell the story he wanted to tell then kickstarted would be the problem, but its clearly not. He is basically saying this game won't look like Uncharted 4. By your logic, thats like saying every middle tier developer is "encumbered" because they can't push as many polygons as FFXV, UC4, etc. Graphics are only one part of a game, and as long as they are good enough to tell the story he wants, there is no problem.

Gazondaily3117d ago

"Graphics are only one part of a game, and as long as they are good enough to tell the story he wants, there is no problem."

I agree but he is quite expressly stating that he could do with a bit more money. Surely its obvious that the compromise in visuals isn't completely due to artistic licence.

aerisbueller3116d ago (Edited 3116d ago )

Star Citizen is open-world, Kickstarted game, and there's not even a close second to how many polys that game is pushing.

https://www.kickstarter.com...

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quaneylfc3117d ago

i think it should be reversed, The Order is still known as "underrated" because it was shiny shiny.

Detox0243116d ago

Yea that game is trash not underated. Graphics mean nothing with shallow gameplay and poor story.

quaneylfc3116d ago (Edited 3116d ago )

lol i know it was terrible, but look how many disagrees you have, people seem to think differently

and look how many agrees i have because people think i'm labelling it underrated (i'm not)
because shiny equals good, apparently.

jholden32493116d ago

I'm looking and seeing just as many disagrees for you.

Besides, it's foolish to assert that "you're right and he's wrong" based off 2 agrees in an article comment section

_-EDMIX-_3117d ago

? That doesn't really have to do with funding. Clearly the engine they are working on is already set, they can't just go back and make a new engine.

Also the Kickstarter is not the problem, Kickstarter is to no FUND a game 100%, its to help fund part of it or "kick star it" until they can get solid funding, ie pay for our proof of concept.

Look at Mighty No 9, look at Bloodstained. They did not get all their funding from Kickstarer, look at Star Citizen.

You don't know who will end up fully backing this title and at this point, it seems like its going to be SEGA or Sony or both along with other partners.

Those investors still want to see more proof of concept before they fully back anything, thus....how its being funded currently has little to do with its outcome later on as you have no clue who will end up publishing this game or fully backing this game later on.

"Surely its obvious that the compromise in visuals isn't completely due to artistic licence"

Nope...you've yet to see the finished game bud, no one has, I don't really now who you came with reaching assumption on a title that is this early in development.

aerisbueller3116d ago

Having already picked the engine is completely irrelevant. Good artists require payment. Great art takes time. Paying good artists to invest a lot of time takes a lot of money.

Tedakin3117d ago

It's too bad he doesn't have the support of a big company with billions of dollars that could easily help him out...

oh wait.

MasterCornholio3117d ago (Edited 3117d ago )

You talking about Microsoft?

Well they didn't even make an effort to secure the franchise so there's that. Plus its a Japanese game so we know how well they peform on non Japanese systems.

Makes perfect sense why Yu decided to side with Sony with this game.

Ra3v3r3117d ago

Its sarcasm...

He clearly means Sony as they've already put up funds and could put more towards it. I dunno how easy it would be for Sony to drop more cash though due to the whole kickstarter thing. Any more money and they'd probably have been as well funding to whole thing but I doubt Yu wanted to give up the Shenmue IP.

Tedakin3117d ago

Yeah I meant Sony. This was one of their big victories at E3 and the guy can't even get enough money to fund the game and is having to basically beg. It doesn't make sense to me.

Spotie3117d ago (Edited 3117d ago )

What funds has Sony put up?

I keep reading about all this money Sony's supposedly pouring into this game, and how it's a ripoff to then ask fans to support the game, but the ironic thing is that these comments only come from people who seem to have issues with Sony.

(Queue the usual suspects asking me why I'm defending Sony, but who won't address the actual claims.)

Can people PLEASE stop spreading misinformation regarding this game and Sony's involvement? Is that too much to ask?

Also, it's not that big a deal. It's only recently that anybody's been paying attention to how Star Citizen hasn't done much of anything in a while, and it's got so many millions more than Shenmue 3. It's also FAR from the first game to meet its basic(and well beyond that, actually) goals on kickstarter and then open up for more funding outside of that. Which is why it's strange that this game is taking so much heat.

Oh, it's because people want to spread the perception that Sony's got some sort of role in its development that they don't have.

Edit: And what is that funding in the form of, moldy?

"I can say that with their assistance on the production and marketing end, and in Sony’s case with some publishing support as well, Ys Net is able to use more of the money we collect through Kickstarter purely for Shenmue 3’s development."

https://www.kickstarter.com...

I don't see anything about development. Do you?

We already knew about what Sony's money was doing: marketing, publishing, and porting a PS4 version. That's what both Sony and Shibuya are contributing to. If they weren't there, then the crowdfunded money would have to be used, instead. That way, "Ys Net is able to use more of the money we collect through Kickstarter purely for Shenmue 3’s development."

I mean, seriously. This stuff has been available for the longest time, but people like you, moldy, keep wanting to portray their involvement as something different, shadier, more sinister.

Stop living in a fantasy world already.

freshslicepizza3117d ago

@Spotie,
"Oh, it's because people want to spread the perception that Sony's got some sort of role in its development that they don't have."

they do. did you not read the article?

from the article,
"Kickstarter's not the only source of money," says Suzuki. "There's also funding from Sony and Shibuya Productions."

MasterCornholio3117d ago

@Tedakin

Sorry about that I misunderstood you.

For that I apologise.

Usually when people make a reference to a firm having billions of dollars they are usually making a reference to Microsoft.

That's where I got confused.

But thank you for explaining what you meant. I really appreciate that.

Anyways in response to your comment based on my better understanding of it. Its true that Sony could have funding the whole thing and kept it as an exclusive to the PS4. However I personally beoeve that Yu would want to be able to develop the game on other platforms which is why he probably wouldn't accept a deal like that. Besides if he did imagine what people would say about the deal? Probably something along the lines on what happened to Tomb Raider but it would be a permanent deal.

I also believe that Sony didn't really want to fund the project due to the risks involved with it. Now while they are probably helping out with marketing and funding the PS4 version they don't want to fund the whole thing due to the risks involved.

I believe that the game is really coming however I don't expect amazing sales from it. It could be fantastic if they can break just a million with this title on PS4.

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Articuno763117d ago

wait. The agreement with Sony over covers marketing expenses and miscellaneous production costs for realising the PS4 port - it isn't funding for the core development of Shenmue III itself.

InMyOpinion3117d ago

Shenmue 1 had a budget of approx $70 million, which is still much but was INSANE at the time.

Still think publishers should embrace his visions more. Shenmue 1 & 2 were groundbreaking and genre-defying games which moved things forward drastically.

Volkama3117d ago

Not to mention the likes of Outrun, Super Hang-on, and being a key pioneer in the transition from 2D sprite-based gaming to 3D polygons. Yu Suzuki is part of the golden age of Japanese game development, and up there with the very best of them.

The landscape has shifted since then, so we'll see if he still has what it takes. Either way massive respect is due for everything he has already accomplished.

DigitalRaptor3117d ago (Edited 3117d ago )

Ummm dude...

Shenmue 1 did NOT have a budget of $70. That original figure was covering research, development and release of the first 2 games. And even then, the figure was later clarified to be exaggerated by Sega PR and was only about $45 million.

Shenmue 1 and parts of 2 were originally developed on Sega Saturn for about 4 years, before moving to brand new generation hardware where brand new technology and never before seen features had to be researched and developed for Dreamcast hardware, which as you say was doing groundbreaking things for its era. So really, the budget for each Shenmue (if you want to split it equally) was about $22.5 million. :)

Suzuki-san was and still is a visionary. He doesn't play other games to get influence for the things he makes. He makes amazing innovative games from nothing but his mind. According to Cedric Biscay who is helping produce the game, he is still doing admirable things so far with the sequel. Can't wait to see it in action that is going to be such an exciting moment.

ShaunCameron3116d ago

And yet those were the games that effectively killed the Dreamcast as neither of them recouped.

Deadpool6163116d ago

So you're saying really good games killed the Dreamcast? Wow...good games Kill consoles? Who would've thunk it. I was thinking some other factors may have contributed to it's demise...but those good games are clearly console poison!

THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT SHENMUE! YOU'RE JUST TOO GOOD GAME AND POISONED THE DREAMCAST TO DEATH WITH YOUR GOODNESS!

...and you Project Justice. You're the WORST good game poison. ಠ_ಠ

rainslacker3116d ago

Sega's downward spiral started with their eagerness to release numerous unsupported and under performing accessory purchases to the Sega Genesis(32X, SegaCD, etc). Then it was carried on in their complete botching of the release of the Saturn, only to drop support too early which hurt the chances that the Dreamcast would be adopted because Sega was just seen as unreliable. I was there, I remember reading a lot of the distaste for the way Sega performed their business for years before they pulled out of the console market, and this was in major gaming magazines.

If a companies success in the console business hinged on the sale of a $70 million game(which is much higher than what it costs if one cares to do the research), then they have done some seriously terrible business moves. Advertising budgets for consoles alone were more than that, even back then.

The dreamcast had some amazing games, it just didn't have the install base to sell those games with enough numbers to recoup investment.

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Fluke_Skywalker65d ago (Edited 65d ago )

Never say never, I really didn't expect to ever see Space Marine 2 and 12 years later its almost here.
So there is still hope for all these games.

Chocoburger65d ago

I've completed 5 of the games on the list, but the author forgot to include Advent Rising. It was supposed to be a trilogy, but it bombed hard, and the two sequels never got made. It was Mass Effect, a console generation before Mass Effect.

The game is buggy and unpolished, it needed a few more months of development, but the potential was there. At the end of the game, you have all these super abilities, I remember the stomp attack that created a shockwave being especially powerful.

shinoff218365d ago

I personally think days gone will recieve some sort of sequel at some point. I'm personally also hoping it's not the rumored multiplayer online stuff. I'd think most that enjoyed it would rather thisnto.

Knightofelemia64d ago

Sony needs to dust off Sly Cooper and Days Gone so needs a sequel two of my favorite Sony titles. Bulletstorm I love great game wish it also got a sequel. And I wish Namco would finally give Enslaved a sequel another great game.

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TheColbertinator528d ago

Outrun was one of the greatest racing games ever

Aussiesummer528d ago

It's not that unlikely a source really.

RetroCaptainSteve528d ago

The racing connection is definitely there.