Gran Turismo 6 Sales Data Reported in VIRAG/SCEA Case

GTplanet:
As part of the ongoing litigation by Italian flooring company VIRAG, SCEA shared GT6 sales statistics with the Northern District Court of California. Magistrate Judge Laurel Beeler’s ruling in the court documents show this number to be 2.37 million copies for GT6, bringing the Gran Turismo franchise to 72.6 million copies sold across its 17-year history

[Geobros]

My first game of the series was back on 1998. My favorite was GT 2, in which I had won a competition of high speed. So many memories. Happy to hear that games like these have great sales!

[greenmiker]

I can't wait for the next game on PS4!

[Smitty2020]

I totally agree with u

[bouzebbal]

GT7 on PS4 will roll over everything else.
I am having a blast with DriveClub i got the platinum yesterday and still playing it. GT7 announcement at TGS would be massive news and a multimillion seller without a doubt

[Me-Time]

I agree. disagree wasn't I was aiming for

[remixx116]

It wouldn't get announced at tgs, that's more for Japanese centric games, games with world wide appeal are more likely to be announced at psx maybe even pgw.

[JonnyBigBoss]

As someone who has a full copy of Forza Motorsport 6, I say good luck to you.

[Kingdomcome247]

I dabbled in the demo, but as I mentioned above, racing games aren't my thing. As a fan of racing games, how good is FM6? In comparison to the other installments, and other racers in general?

[gokuking]

From Polyphony's official site and this court case:

Gran Turismo 10.850
Gran Turismo 2 9.370
Gran Turismo 3 A-spec 14.890
Gran Turismo Concept Series 1.560
Gran Turismo 4 “Prologue” 1.400
Gran Turismo 4 11.730
Gran Turismo 5 “Prologue” 5.350
Gran Turismo PSP 4.220
Gran Turismo 5 10.890
Gran Turismo 6 2.370

in the millions.

Everyone involved with the decision to keep the game PS3 exclusive should no longer have any say in the brand. Abysmal numbers for Gran Turismo. I understand back then that they expected Delay Club to be a PS4 launch game (so cross-gen was out of the question), but they could have at least done a Vita companion game. It wouldn't have made up much of the decline, but it would've pushed hardware (especially in Europe) and at least soften the blow a bit so the drop wasn't 8 million units.

[gokuking]

Just noticed this now: PSP isn't tagged despite the attached image being Gran Turismo PSP's box art lol

[remixx116]

I wouldn't hit the panic button just yet, gran turismo 6 came out right at the cusp of the new consoles so even I passed it up, and forza 5 was a launch title so it didn't really have a large audience to sell to.

Forza 6 and gt7 should paint a better picture for how Sim racers are doing.

Also well said goku bub up

[nix]

that word "Delay Club" though... why so much hate towards PS exclusives?

[kayoss]

I have to agree with Gokuking here. I bought GT5 when it came out and even though it did very well in sales i feel like it was incomplete. When they release GT6 i honestly thought it was GT5.5. Not much difference between the two. But that just what i see.

[_-EDMIX-_]

"Everyone involved with the decision to keep the game PS3 exclusive should no longer have any say in the brand. Abysmal numbers for Gran Turismo"

As suppose to rush on PS4 a PS3 game? I mean...you do know GT6 was likely made before they had proper dev kits right? You do know that GT6 is running on GT5's engine right?

Also how do you know those numbers are "abysmal"? The second GT's during a gen don't normally sell as well as the entry one as most GT fans buy it once a gen, also to the point I was making, they took less time making GT6, didn't make a brand new engine and likely made lots of profit from it day 1.

As they are not factoring in years and years of development nor the cost of a new engine.

GT6 if put on PS4 was never coming at launch, for all we know, their team has been making GT7's engine since even before GT6 released as again...they didn't make a new engine for GT6, thus...the team responsible for that was likely working on GT7's engine during GT6's entire development.

Soooooo decline? I mean...when your selling 11 million units of racing game, that sounds like your doing pretty fine lol. especially when your competition's entire franchise combine barely matches up with a single GT release. That sound to me like they are doing pretty fine.

Also consider they dont' need a GT to sell PS4's, PS4's are selling easily with their other studios. They need PS4's to SELL GT! Software makes more money then hardware soooooo

Its why XONE didn't launch with Halo, 360 didn't launch with Halo.

PS3 didn't launch with GT, PS4 didn't launch with GT...

They are a business....they are seeking to make MONEY, not merely sell hardware, games make more money, thus....they want a HUGE install base for when it release.

As to why you've yet to see a GT or Halo the very launch day of either platform. I mean...12 million units in, 25 million units in and not Halo (in terms of a new one) and no GT...

Yet they live lol. Someone clearly wants the system enough and knows those titles are coming. Why should PD and Sony rush a GT to hit a number of a fan that will buy it anyway when it releases? So...lower quality to strike while the irons hot?

Sure bud. Pretty sure Sony and PD have been doing this longer then either of us.

[gokuking]

I never said GT6 should have been a PS4 launch game. I agree that Polyphony wouldn't have been able to get a proper game done in time. I even agree that a port of PS3's GT6 to PS4 wouldn't have happened because Sony believed Drive Club would have been a launch title and GT would eat it. Though, I disagree with the idea that they didn't want to spoil their PS4 debut on a PS3 port. A not insignificant amount of cars in Gran Turismo 5 and 6 are lifted from the PS2 games. As long as Sony and Polyphony were upfront about what GT6 PS3-> PS4 was, I don't think anyone would have been too mad. I actually really expected them to release a Gran Turismo 6 Epilogue on PS4, but I guess Drive Club's delays kept on making them push that back. Now a remaster would probably be too close to GT7.

Gran Turismo 6's sales aren't awful for a video game. They're not particularly great for a big AAA game developed over a few years, but they're not terrible if you view it in a bubble. However, Gran Turismo 6 doesn't exist in a bubble. It's part of a franchise with a bunch of entries and it currently ranks as the worst selling mainline game by 7 million units. Its sales are so low that the only other Gran Turismo releases it's outsold were a paid demo and a series of projects released as auto show tie-ins. Yeah, Sony and Polyphony aren't going to the poor house over GT6 pushing 2.37 million units, but in no way is that good. Yes, the second GT in a generation always experiences a drop, but it's never been an 80% drop like this. There are a bunch of reasons, namely hardware fatigue and the launch of PS4, but that doesn't make GT6's sales any better.

I'm basically saying Gran Turismo 6 shouldn't have come out in 2013. That was too late for PS3, too early for PS4 and obviously not coming out on Vita. Shuhei Yoshida said Polyphony actually played a huge part in designing PS4 and Vita's hardware. They knew these new platforms were coming. If they knew they couldn't get another GT on PS3 out before PS4's launch, they shouldn't have developed it. The writing had been on the wall for PS3 software sales long before GT6 came out. They should have just went to making Gran Turismo 6 a PS4 game from scratch. While the devkits were being finalized, they could have had another team continue with GT5 DLC while another team ports GT5's engine to Vita, so they can use it once again.

If they needed a GT game in 2013, it really should have been on Vita. That was the last time Sony tried pushing the platform and it would've been a strong hardware seller, especially in Europe. Even a GT PSP style, "this is basically a GT4 port with huge chunks missing" version of GT5 would have been hotly anticipated. Instead they released the worst selling mainline Gran Turismo, Vita will never get a Gran Turismo of its own, and PS4 will be at least 3 years old before receiving its first Gran Turismo. That's really bad brand management, which is why I think anyone that encouraged GT6 to stick to PS3 shouldn't be involved with the series anymore.

[_-EDMIX-_]

" I disagree with the idea that they didn't want to spoil their PS4 debut on a PS3 port."

Never said they would. You also never stated you where regarding GT6 as in it being ported to PS4.

"Everyone involved with the decision to keep the game PS3 exclusive should no longer have any say in the brand"

They don't want to over saturate the market with GT products, they are right not to port it and instead focus the team on GT7 and have GT7 Sony's main focus. I' m pretty sure they made a decent profit on GT6 and they'll be ok. A PS4 port was not going to set the world on fire...

Ports generally do lessor in sales, or did you think The Last Of Us coming to PS4 would make it sell like double? lol

http://www.ign.com/articles...

I mean...do we just think new console means more sales of games?

Higher install base really means that bud, its 80 million at the time vs less then that. They made the right call keeping it on PS3 as suppose to seeking a port that likely would have just ate up GT sales (which would over all make them more money).

I won't mind a GT6 port, but I also won't mind if they didn't do one either.

"They're not particularly great for a big AAA game developed over a few years"

So...the whole Forza series huh? Yet they are on what 8 games already? Sure bud.

What is "great" to them is profit, did they make more then what they spent, period. In what damn world is almost 3 million units bad? lol

Again...like I stated, consider they made it faster and on the same engine for less money, they'll be fine.

"I'm basically saying Gran Turismo 6 shouldn't have come out in 2013" Why? Oh so don't make money on a deep install base? So decide to not make profit is what your saying?

I mean...you do know that GT6 not coming out on PS3 doesn't mean the PS4 verion is coming faster right?

Again....GT6 WAS MADE IN GT5'S ENGINE! It was NEVER coming to PS4 as a 100% ground up PS4 game at launch, period. That team is likely STILL working on GT7's engine, thus...it would had been a waste.

To not release GT6, is to make less money to fund GT7, as even GT6 if put on PS4 instead of PS3...STILL NEEDS A NEXT GEN ENGINE!

"PS4 will be at least 3 years old before receiving its first Gran Turismo. That's really bad brand management" Sure bud, the best selling Sim racer of all time is being managed by bad dudes lol. Sure...

Again...you do know that software makes them more money then hardware right?

[Magicite]

GT3 was a beast!
GT6 launched in wrong time.

[MysticStrummer]

"Everyone involved with the decision to keep the game PS3 exclusive should no longer have any say in the brand."

I'm glad the people who have a say in the matter don't use your method, but if you look at those numbers you'll see big spikes and lower numbers that are still better than many games enjoy even though they are all exclusive.

[triple_c]

GT6 came out right after the PS4 had launched so lots of people's attention was on the PS4 and lots of people were shifting over and making the transition to next gen so this game didn't get as much attention as it normally would have This game didn't sell as well as other GT games due to it releasing at a bad time. 2.37 million is still impressive though. GT7 will more than triple the numbers of GT6 though

[FallenAngel1984]

2.37 million is a considerably low number for such a renounced franchise, especially considering that Driveclub pulled off 2 million. Yeah Gran Turismo 6 came out right when the 8th gen properly began, but it should still be a higher total.

[_-EDMIX-_]

GT for many is a 1 game a gen game. Many don't buy the second entry, it has nothing to really do with the quality as many cases the quality of the second GT is greater then the first.

Also they are making profit if you consider its always in the same engine as the game released prior that gen.

GT8 will have less sales then GT7...it will likely have more features and fixes etc and release much sooner.

We historically know this about this series.

[FallenAngel1984]

Not really, unless you're talking about handhelds.

PS1:
Gran Turismo 1 sold 10.85 million.
Gran Turismo 2 sold 9.37 million.

PS2:
Gran Turismo 3 sold 14.89 million.
Gran Turismo 4 sold 11.73 million.

PS3:
Gran Turismo 5 sold 10.89 million.
Gran Turismo 6 sold 2.37 million,

Its clear that every generation prior people were very intent to buy the second Gran Turismo game on the console. Yeah the second Gran Turismo in the generation didn't sell as well as the first, but it still sold remarkably well. Gran Turismo 6 is where is took a huge nosedive in sales.

[gokuking]

"[...]unless you're talking about handhelds."

Given there's only been one handheld Gran Turismo, it is kind of hard for the decline to not be 100%. :p

[rainslacker]

To me it was more that while GT6 was better than GT5, the differences weren't significant enough for most people to take notice.

I also don't think Sony went crazy with marketing, as they were focusing more on the upcoming generation. Just bad timing and minor improvements lead to lower sales. I don't think it has anything to do with interest waning in the series, since it's stayed pretty constant over the years. It's an anomaly, so unless the next game happens to do poorly, it's kind of too soon to call it. I'd imagine the next release will have the full might of Sony's marketing behind it.

[SaveFerris]

Regarding the lawsuit, I'm surprised Sony didn't try to settle. Also, the Italian company has likely benefitted from the additional advertising but Sony should've sought permission first.

[showtimefolks]

those are amazing numbers considering that sony released it at worst time to launch their most important franchise. if GT6 had launched for ps4 it would have done amazing numbers

Polyphony digital have said that a new GT is coming out sooner rather than Later. My guess is it gets announced at Playstation event and comes out fall 2016

PD no longer have to learn the cell structure and now they can just focus on development without having to worry about the tech

IMO and it could be Biased, GT is the best sim racing.

[rainslacker]

I don't know if that's really the reason. While the PS4 is doing gangbusters, those 10 millions in sales from prior installments weren't a majority of the hardcore gamer, they came from the casuals or those who buy a modest amount of games per generation.

I wouldn't doubt that it had some impact on the sales of the game, but not in the tune of 5-7 million copies.

I think it's more likely that Sony wasn't putting a lot of marketing into the game like prior installments. I'd imagine GT7 will be all over the place when the time comes.

[plut0nash]

GT6 could have been spectacular, but these were the issues:

1. Old content rehashed from PS2 days.
2. PS4 exclusive release.
3. Better audio design - that tyre sound is shocking :/
4. Excessive cost for cars in game.
5. Very few reward cars for campaign completion.
6. Stale challenges for the most part. Some were good like the Lancer rally hotlaps.

[Imortus_san]

You forgot FANS got screwed by Sony since they close the GT5 online to sell more GT6 copies, there is not enought content or change to even warrent the GT6 existence.

[starman]

Yeah, that left a bad impression for many longtime fans like me. Probably is one of the major reasons why GT6 did so poorly in comparison to earlier games in the series.

[timlot]

The greatest racing franchise of all time has only moved 2+M units in two years on a system with an install base of 90+M world wide and some are saying thats pretty good? Thats crazy talk. Grand Turismo is right up there with Super Mario Bros. in gaming immortality. 2M is a flop for GT. Stop making excuses.

[MetroidFREAK21]

That's impressive :) though I've never played the GT series (never really got into racing games) those numbers are great. I'm actually looking forward to the new Forza, and I'm sure PS fans will be looking forward to GT7 :)

[trouble_bubble]

Shoulda been a ps4 launch title. Same with Puppeteer. Instead they pushed Knack. Someone needs a paddlin'

[xKugo]

Thank you for mentioning Puppeteer. That is literally one of the most creative games probably ever made. Such a shame that it came out so late in the generation. I truly hope that both it and Ni No Kuni(another late PS3 release) see sequels on the PS4.

[dorron]

Someone better solve the Logitech (G25/G27) wheel support fiasco, or else I probably won't be buying GT7...

[WitWolfy]

GT will come when it comes... One thing is for sure it will blow our minds.

[DarXyde]

Good sales for a game, bad sales for a Gran Turismo game.

Hopefully they see a comeback with Gran Turismo 7. I'd love to see what it looks like. Polyphony needs to start taking it more seriously. No more vacuum sounds and be more liberal with car damage and the like. Focus on making a great game first.

[IIFloodyII]

That's pretty awful by GT standards, but I doubt Sony were expecting it to sell as well, considering they barely advertised it and released it only on the PS3 a month after the PS4 released.

[PizzaSteve]

I was still playing GT5 then Sony had to go close online. 3 and a half years all GT5 got. Sony did it to force people to buy GT6 but it back fired and is the lowest sales ever for a GT game.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

These are horrible sales for a GT entry but it is what it is. PS4 is dominating the sales charts to this should be a fresh start for GT7 when it lanuches.

[Imortus_san]

Lol, maybe fans got tired of the crap they had to endure during those 24 or 25 updates GT 5 had, Plus more premium bullshit cars, microtransactions, the fact Sony cut GT5 online gameplay to try to sell more GT6.

Next PS4 GT game will probably be GT6 full HD version, with the same PS2 models with more polygons.

[saimcheeda]

For a series which generally sells 10 million per title. But I think GT7 will sell around that mark when it comes out!

[corroios]

Who cares, just bring the new GT. We (gamers) want more games and Gran Turismo is an iconic franchise with worldwide appeal and when it arrives it will sell big again.

[ocelot07]

I personally think they should of held off releasing GT6 on PS3. Especially since they released it after the PS4 was released.

[u4one]

well done, gt. still one of my favs.

[Father__Merrin]

I've only just got gt6 back, I would say it's a huge overhaul addon for gt5 that's the best way to see it. Its got tons to do. Unfortunately it released too late

But gt7 release is perfect and looking at the ps4 sales storm gt7 is a 10million seller

[Dan_scruggs]

If people on this site think this is good then they are bad at math.

[MoveTheGlow]

Polyphony fell into the same rut that every old company did in their transition to HD. With that level of content at the new resolution, it was just too expensive to do when 5 came around - hence "Prologue." 6 was basically what 5 should have been, but it was far too late to improve on the mess that 5 was. The work they did in HD on PS3 should translate better to HD work on PS4, and with any luck the franchise will make a comeback.

[airforcex]

Their biggest problem is how long it takes them to develop these, specially when other companies release sims just as good (or better) every 2 years.

[_-EDMIX-_]

You sure? A low car count and low sales say other wise. I'm fine with 2 GT's a gen.

I'd rather play perfection then a bi-yearly or yearly franchise. How is Assassins Creed? How about COD? I'm sorry but I pick quality over a rush cash in job.

[xKugo]

Let us all know when a Forza manages to do 1/2 of a typical GT game.