Nintendo: Not a lot of exclusive indie games on Wii U because “we don’t throw around cash”

Nintendo's Damon Baker says the company doesn't "throw around cash" to indie developers in order to get exclusive content.

[Abash]

You would think they would use some of those 3DS and Amiibo profits to help keep the Wii U afloat, but it seems like Nintendo is concerned with making a lot of money and spending very little of it

[-Foxtrot]

Whether people like to admit it or not...Nintendo is just the same as the rest. Greedy a-holes

All that money they've probably made off those stupid, cash grab Amiibos which are getting worse and worse...

[BitbyDeath]

Nintendos biggest problem is they don't throw around cash. They should have invested in themselves and bought up a ton of devs after the Wii success and grown massively for the newgen instead they sat around like idiots watching the money disappear.

[jcnba28]

Calling Amiibo's cash grabs lol you so funny foxy.

A real cash grab would be PS Plus. Forcing you to pay for online is an absolute joke. Do us all a favour and look up the definition of cash grab before you use those words again.

OT: What's getting worse and worse is sony and microsoft throwing their cash at developers to get exclusives or exclusive dlc etc. etc. Now that's stupid.

Nintendo have never been in debt. Sony and microsoft can't say the same.

[Mr Pumblechook]

Not a lot of exclusive indie games on Wii U because “we don’t throw around cash.”

Investing in small indie studios is a good thing which has led to some modern classics including Limbo, Journey, Braid and Thomas Was Alone. These games wouldn't have existed without Microsoft and Sony funding.

[MainstreamGamer]

@jcnba28

The real joke is Nintendo's online network, its been 2 generation already and they are barely on par with sony's psn circa 2006.

[Kalebninja]

Well the people who get amiibos actually like them so just because you have no interest in them doesn't mean they're stupid cash grabs.

[ABizzel1]

Nintendo needs to just shut up, I swear I don't know what's wrong with them lately.

Who on earth is "throwing around a lot of cash" at indie developers for exclusivity. These developers are trying their best to get their games seen and make a profit. You Nintendo have to throw around tons of cash, because you have the worst selling console of the 3, and have an awful reputation among 3rd party developers, along with awful sales and promotion of 3rd party games, which is why those developers go to PC, Mobile, Sony, and MS, with you as a last resort in the vast majority of cases.

Just shut up.

If anything you need to be spending money to help with your barren games release on Wii U, which sees a first party game once every 2 - 3 months, until the holiday.

But you can't do that, because you're too busy firing employees for speaking, blocking fan content on YouTube, and shutting down your biggest fans from having events that promote your franchises all because you didn't make money off of it because said fans wanted to charge $2 per ticket to help pay for the space and all the free stuff they were giving out.

http://www.geekwire.com/201...

I don't even know where to start with Nintendo. This is not the company I loved growing up as a kid. I was a HUGE SNES fan, N64 fan, GC fan, and went back and became a NES fan. These last 2 generations have been AWFUL for Nintendo (home console wise), and as a company it's shocked me that they've become almost as bad as Activision, and in some cases worse. At least Activision doesn't care or try to hide their greed, Nintendo tries to act like this family loving, good old wholesome corp, but goes around bullying FANS OF ALL PEOPLE, and have the audacity to act like it's sunshine and rainbows over there.

I'm just so frustrated with them, they could be doing so much, and so much better, but instead of fixing and improving things, they're attacking the people who support them the most.

[BVFTW]

Well, Jcnba28, while is true that Ps Plus is required for online play for most games on the PS4, the PS3 is still free and the vita as well, but I wouldn't call PS Plus a cash grab and let me tell you why: because of all the games you can play with the program, not just PS4 game but VITA and PS3 games too. I've been a subscriber since the early days and I feel that I've had my money's worth, I have a lot of AAA games as well as awesome indies for those platforms and ps1 and ps2 classics also available for my leisure as long as I remain a member, lots of great games, more that I could play in a year, just paying the price of a new game (50$) a year, tell me again how you compare a figurine, a fine and sometimes "affordable" figurine I must say with ps plus is beyond me.

Amiibos are cool yeah and great fan service but to some extent those are keys for exclusive dlc on some games, when you can't access to some of your on disc content of one of your games because you don't have a specific figure that is also hard to come by 'cause it was somewhat limited and goes for beyond the price of a full game because scalpers... you are doing something wrong and you can call that a cash grab in all the extend of the word, at least in this scenario I might add.

[Globalgamer]

@ABizzel1

I am sort of embarrassed that there is a person with so little sense.

"you're too busy firing employees for speaking, blocking fan content on YouTube, and shutting down your biggest fans from having events that promote your franchises all because you didn't make money off of it because said fans wanted to charge $2 per ticket to help pay for the space and all the free stuff they were giving out."

When an employee breaks a NDA, you do not think sony or microsoft would do the same? Hell, they have within the last 2 years very publically.

When you make money on an unsanctioned event, using Nintendos name as if they condoned and were a part of the event, that is called misrepresentation, it is illegal. Michael Jordan just won a case regarding the same thing.

You are so quick to baselessly hate on Nintendo, that you are ignoring reality, business reality.

"These last 2 generations have been AWFUL for Nintendo (home console wise)"

Speak for yourself. These last two gens of consoles have seen some of Nintendo's highest rated games ever.
I know it is convenient to ignore the handhelds but that would be foolish. More amazing games and support.

[alvgamin4lif]

@jcnba28
Are you aware of the meaning of a "cash grab"? Sure if they only charged you for online then it would've seemed like a cash grab compared to nintendo (even though MS and sony have better online network) however both ps+ and gold offer free games per month. Take ps+ for example. I own a ps3, vita and ps4 and i get around 6 games per month. 72 games in a year out of which i may own maybe about 30% highest. So i get to play a ton of new games for only $50 a year. In fact next month I'll be able to play STFU, teslagrad, grow home, twisted metal and xerodrifter without any additional purchase. If you're weak at math then this means that I've probably saved around $50 since I'm getting all these games for less than $4.20 per month.

[hiawa23]

Well, they are a business, and their goal is to earn a profit for their shareholders.

[suckingeggs]

Fact of the matter is the NX is make or break for Nintendo

So the comments they are coming out with really are from a butt hurt place.. They are angry.. Which can be a good thing.. It'll make them raise their game.. Hopefully

[Picnic]

Like Disney Infinity, WiiU's Amiibos are works of figurative art. They are not mandatory, just a way to make an official line of toys to a higher spec than third parties might make them. If THEY'RE stupid, where does that leave throwing red shells around a racing track against a punk dinosaur?

[N4g_null]

Throwing cash at the indies turns them into EA before they even become big. Also many are making wiiu and now new 3ds games not because of some one funding them.

Money is always great but asking for that without a disk release or a good game is a bit much.

Development teams release games to make money not beg for it.

I don't see this as a problem because the good games will still come. Their is a serious advantage to releasing on the 3ds and wiiu. Developer have figured this out by now. We are wait for them to finish their day jobs now lol.

[VJGenova]

@jcnba

Being in debt as a company isn't a bad thing. It's called leverage. Basically, if ypu think you can make more of a return than you'll pay in interest you should have some debt. Try taking a business course sometime.

[Snookies12]

I was just about to say, they're making so dang much off those Amiibos... I don't think they should have said something like this as a console maker. They're basically saying they're not going to try and expand their gaming selection, and that they're going to keep all that money instead to themselves. They should be using it to improve their product by expanding their list of games.

[Haru]

How do you think they are still making profits despite the low sales? Nintendo doesn't invest much almost nothing in 3rd party and online infrastucture they get to keep all the money they make

[stuna1]

I guess this could also be attributed to the state the WII U is now in!? And now why there is discussion of NX. The question is will they make the same stupid mistake???

Indie developers/games usually evolve into bigger and better franchises.

[MrSwankSinatra]

LOL I swear Nintendo needs completely new management.

[ZorinInc]

You got your wish.

[Persistantthug]

Ouch.

Not nice.

[BrandanT]

I'm just going to say that point of the article is to say that Nintendo doesn't follow the same Parity Clause that Microsoft uses for their indies.
Nintendo said that indies will benefit more from simultaneous releases than exclusivity. Isn't that a good thing?

[masterfox]

With this kind of mentality from Nintendo I don't see too much hope for the NX.

[PizzaSteve]

Agree. What sell consoles is games and they need to get as many games as possible. Indie developers will think Nintendo don't support them from this statement. I hate to say it but I think NX will end up like WiiU and fail.

[reaper24]

If the NX fails too, I'm pretty sure that Nintendo will become the next Sega. They will have to go third party.

[Sm00thNinja]

Nintendo wow... New management is needed this company needs a complete revamping

[ShaunCameron]

Is it because you want them, a dedicated video game company, to spend as frivolously as Sony and Microsoft, both multinational corporations, usually do?

[Sm00thNinja]

No I want them to succeed

[N0TaB0T]

You want them to slack off and give their consumers lip? Like they've been doing? Nintendo gets enough backpats for being sassy kids on the playground, and not TAKING ACTION for another system they've essentially given up on.

I don't know whats worse, the amount of non-excuses given by developers, or consumers not willing to see a corporation screw them over at all. Reggie is all talk and no walk.

[Angeljuice]

Investing in your future and spending money frivolously are very different things.
You have to speculate to accumulate. Nintendo don't invest in videogames but have no problem investing in dolls. Maybe they're in the wrong business.

[BigDuo]

Granted, Nintendo has room for improvement (clearly), but you should not overlook some of the major changes Satoru Iwata made before his death. In this generation, here's some of the things he did:

- Despite Wii U's grim fate, Nintendo has remained committed to its platform with 1st party titles and more on the way too. You know who cannot say the same thing? It starts with S and ends in Y.

- Restructured Nintendo's in-house development teams, particularly in preparation for future hardware and software development.

- Nintendo has a mobile games partnership with DeNA with 5 games planned for release by March 2017... the first tile is coming out later this year. It's a move meant to not only provide Nintendo with another major revenue source, but also one that is meant to help keep its IP relevant in an age where lots of consumers are playing mobile games at work and at school.

- Nintendo built and moved into a new seven-story R&D facility which is meant to improve the company's development and communications efficiency. Next generation home console and handhelds will be utilizing a new integrated architecture so that developers can use one set of transferable assets between handheld and home console. Basically, more games with less resources required.

- Amiibo turned out to be a commercial success despite its different approach in the toy-to-life market compared to Skylanders and Disney Infinity.

- Nintendo's inde policy changes have lead to much better indie support compared to the last generation, further aided by Nintendo's support of Unity and its Nintendo web framework. In addition, Nintendo's promotional efforts for indie titles has also improved.

- Nintendo's been doing a pretty great job handling its approach to DLC. Games such as Mario Kart 8, Smash Bros and Splatoon serve as prime examples of this.

- Nintendo's pretty much localized all the games we've asked for.

- Nintendo's E3 digital event showed that it can be a success despite being different (not only in terms of format but actual presentation) Of course, E3 is only as good as the content provided.

- Despite Nintendo's financial consecutive loss during the course of this generation, it has returned to operating in the black.

[remixx116]

You just couldn't post your statement without mentioning Sony huh.

Regarding your first point about Sony not supporting their platforms with first party titles......what?

The ps3 had arguably the best 1st party support out of all 3 of the last gen consoles with MS and Nintendo abandoning their respective platforms far earlier not to mention Nintendo killed all support for the Wii the second the Wii u launched.

Now with the ps4 Sony just announced 4 AAA exclusive titles at their E3 press conference along with multiple 3rd party exclusives like nier 2, worlds of final fantasy, shenmue 3, FF7 remake and street fighter 5.

This all comes with the fact that this is all after one E3 event and Sony has 3 large scale events still to come this year, psx probably being the biggest.

I'm not even counting exclusive jrpgs like persona 5, tales of zestaria, tales of bersia, dragon quest heroes, deep down and so on.

Or exclusive indies like rime, wild, no mans sky or the tomorrow children or obvious heavy hitters like uncharted 4 and gran turismo 7.

I mean hell I'll take that over costumes, quests and modes being lopped off my game on disc and sold to me in the form of ammibo.

Tag that with that horrible E3 press conference that you try to spin as a positive, star fox was one of my most anticipated titles this year and it looked generic and repetitive.

At least Sony isn't abandoning its current platform for a new one, you know who is doing that, it starts with N and ends with O.

Nintendo's mobile partnership doesn't existme at all.........I'm a console gamer, I hate mobile gaming but that's just me.

I'm sorry if I came off as a Nintendo hater but i grew up on Nintendo, the legend of Zelda Orcarina of time was the first game I ever played and to see them come to this is just depressing.

If you don't like the games I've mentioned above then that cool but let'snot try and write sSony off as if they are doing bad at delivering exclusive games. Its always been their talent.

[Sm00thNinja]

I think Mr Iwata has been gone long enough to say out loud.... Iwata was just as responsible for running Nintendo into the ground as anyone.

[RPGrinder]

Here we go, here come the Nintendo haters. Like clockwork.

Nintendo and microsoft are basically saying the same thing. Nothing bad about it.

It is not Nintendo's requirement to pay for every single last indie game.

Look at how they are partnering with the shovelknight dev. That is not throwing money at them, it s a strategic partnership with marketing involved.

Nintendo’s Damon Baker recently pointed that out in a new interview with GameInformer, saying that “We’re not known for exclusive [indie games] in particular, and that’s because we’re not throwing around a lot of cash. We also don’t see a huge benefit to developers in driving exclusive deals with platforms and consoles”.

In fact, Nintendo likes to do the opposite, as Baker puts it, “We very much encourage all of our development partners to release simultaneously across all platforms.”

That is good for indies.

[Spotie]

Funny that "throwing around a lot of cash" seems to be benefiting everyone else, be they indie devs or console makers. Despite efforts by many to downplay them, the large number of varied indie games on PS4 is a big draw to the consoles. It's the kind of draw that could be big for a Nintendo console, too.

Hell, with their lower priced console, and coming off the heels of the very casual-oriented Wii, the Wii U would have been the PERFECT home for indie games this generation. Because they typically cost less, that keeps in line with Nintendo's lower cost of entry, and makes the console more economically attractive.

But no. They've got some BS ideas fans like you eat up with a spoon, and knowing you'll defend them against any and all accusations- false or otherwise- they have continued to make blunder after blunder, which is why the Wii U in particular sees itself falling further and further behind, despite a year of having the market to itself.

It's not "good for indies" in all cases, because indies can't always afford to release simultaneously across all platforms.

But of course, you're not actually thinking for yourself. You're not taking things like that into consideration. You're just blindly believing everything they say.

And you have he nerve to criticize others for their "dedication."

[Picnic]

The 32mb WiiU (with no ability to play films by disc, which is fine by me) now costs just 50 pounds less than the 500mb PS4 and Xbox One in the UK. That screen is so expensive for every buyer but its competitors have no Mario or Donkey Kong. Nintendo are happy it seems to make more profit per WiiU console from dedicated fans than to desperately lower the price of a unique kind of console.

[N4g_null]

Dude you can afford to release on multiple platforms... hell some games you just change the build code. I mean you do know about unity3d right? It works on pc, mobile, ps, xbox, Nintendo’s console and handheld.

I mean technically the order a dev kit and get a 5000 Dev tool along with the kit, software environment for around 3k is throwing money at devs to me. Now you can use that same kit on the 3ds!

How about being part of the solution and listing some indies that nintendo should be paying for?

[Relientk77]

When I read the title I thought it was Reggie

[PigPen]

Nintendo is greedy. No reason there isn't a Wii U price drop. As a company, I can't say that I blame them.

[reaper24]

If they want to go bankrupt, I'm bit stopping them

[RPGrinder]

Did people even read this article before posting on here? Probably not. If anything he had very good things to say about Indies in general/. Considering all the indie support at PAX. I do not particularly see a problem with the stance.

Hell, even IGN was impressed with the diversity of nindies.

[madjedi]

Do you even play any sony or ms games before universally denouncing both lineups.

It is very odd how you went from 3 bubbles to 8 and now six, despite your continuous trolling and juvenile attacks on sony and ms games.

You talk about haters, that is funny, would you practice what you preach, if your supposed to be a mod or admin, because you act no better than any other fanboy on this site.

[R00bot]

He didn't denounce any lineups though.

[madjedi]

Not this time but he has in the past, gone out of his way to bash both sony and ms line ups for having no games to play.

I would understand if he was speaking individually from the position that he personally doesn't find any of the games appealing, but he does not.

I dislike hypocrites, especially fanboys of one system proclaiming the moral high ground when they are just as bad as the people they demonize.

[Dario_DC]

Cool story Nintendo... We all know you can do no wrong... /s

[PigPen]

Bubble vote added!

[Chaosdreams]

"We don't throw around cash."

Ya, and you clearly don't know how to invest it properly either. How many years will they tread water before they wake up?

[RPGrinder]

What does this even mean? They have invested heavily in their localization team and all their internal dev teams. Tread water? lol

[Davi123]

When the Wii was a success. In Japan, Nintendo was the company that had more profit, even more than Toyota! A cheap console with the price of 250€ and games with cheap development, that with a great marketing sold dozens millions! Where that f#@k they invested all money they get?!?

[N4g_null]

So now it's bad to not blow money on development. You guys don't know how stupid you sound. This is why Konami is leaving console gaming like many other devs. These gamers demand that you kill your own profits as if their business was an election. No one cares about these meat puppets here.

[ape007]

nintendos way of doing business = weak system + low production values + games at full price + gimmicks to sell to casuals+ it being the publisher = tons of $$$

nintendo, im afradid to say that this mindset won't work anymore, the casuals are gone and the hardcore market if full

heck im wondering what can Nintendo do to succeed with th eNX, they're stuck between a rock and a hard place

[RPGrinder]

This is actually pretty funny. ooohhhhh They have games at SHUTTER full price!!

How low can people get to insult Nintendo for nothing?

Nintendo has such low production values and that has mattered so much to there games they are number 1 on metacritic again this year like the last 2 years.

[ape007]

don't get me wrong, they are legendary games but i mean financially wise, using old tech and no voice acting etc...= maximum profit

[RPGrinder]

This is the problem with baseless generalizations. They are not accurate.

Xenoblade X? Voice acting. Star Fox? Voice acting.

Not every game benefits with voice acting or has a need for it.

Super Mario Maker has no voice acting, and uses "old tech" but will launch not broken and it will work, and will be very very fun.

Nintendo is not the best publisher every year because there games are the most technically advanced. They are the most fun.

[ape007]

^^^^ man compare MGS V to starfox zero.....both cost 60$, MGS V is full fledged nextgen games with high production values and real actors....the difference in budget is mindboggeling

plus the 60$ u paid for mgs v will be cut between sony or MS and Konami, the 60$ u paid for nintendo games will go purely to nintendo

again mario maker will be legendary and better than many nextgen games with high production values but that's irrelevant to the point

[N0TaB0T]

In what hours do you bend over for Nintendo?

5 AM to 3 PM? 24 Hours?

[N4g_null]

Come on ape... MG the movie game with the convoluted plot that just got its creator fired because it cost too much? Hell Konami has been able to afford to make hardly anything else now ecept that gamer drama mess.

So now we play games because of polygon count and effects or is it story now. What about replay value of the actual game. Why are games trying to be more movie than game? Why are movies less than games but have way better effects and acting?

Metal gear would never survive in the theater. So why add things if they are just crutches for a dry game to seem interesting.

It is like you guys only want giant corps to make your games.

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

except SNES, N64 and GC were stronger than competitions except in some case Xbox.

Nintendo doesn't sell all of their Wii U games at $60.

Please go look up the definition of gimmick.

Maybe you should change your avatar. It not fitting,

[Knushwood Butt]

Well Nintendo, you managed to throw away your cash on Devil's Third.

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

Devil's Third needed a publisher. And I pretty sure it wasn't a lot of cash thrown at Devil's Third.

[Activemessiah]

Not "Throwing around cash" also means gamers not "Throwing around cash" on your console... Ninty sure as hell take risks but not ones that matter most.

[mikel1015]

Because timed exclusivity for indie games are sooo good right? Gamers will pile up for 6 month contracted indies

[Activemessiah]

Who said anything about timed exclusives? you didn't even bother to ask what i was talking about instead you just assumed.

[TheUpbringer]

Probably because they can't.

[ShaunCameron]

Or probably because they rather let 3rd-party developers decide on their own if they want to make a game exclusively for Nintendo's platforms than go back to the days of having 3rd-party developers sign a contract that barred them from porting games over to rival platforms which they can't legally do anymore anyway.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

If they're picking and choosing their product backing, then all the better.
Tossing cash left and right would just destroy whatever profits they've gained in the last year...

[TheGamingArt]

I think what they mean is, we don't care

[mikel1015]

They want to let indies to choose for themselves what platforms they want the game on besides Nintendo's instead of buying exclusivity because they know what's better for indies. They're not morons, just the commenters on this page cause they can't comprehend words.

[Father__Merrin]

It's not because u don't throw away cash it's because the wiiu is already disfunct. Software support will be pulled shortly

I really do wish NX turns out pretty good

[Kalebninja]

Damon is a marketing manager so why are you all refering to why he says as the entire company saying it? He isn't a head of Nintendo or one of the console devs so stop acting like his words shape Nintendo.

[lastking95]

Shots fired

[Globalgamer]

Think about it. Do Indie games push systems? No, not really.

Nintendo is better off partnering with devs like Level 5, other Japanese devs like they have been doing.

[spoonard]

No, it's because there is not enough money in the WiiU platform.

[PigPen]

There is plenty money. Going on three years with one price drop.

[DeadManMMX]

Hmm that Resident Evil exclusivity they paid for says otherwise. Man years later that still makes no sense how they even got it or why Capcom gave it to them. Sure there was money involved but series made its entire name up to that point on Playstation platforms. Japanese companies make interesting choices to this day.

[Picnic]

It turned out to mostly be timed exclusivity, REmake excepted. Not so much
about expected sales on Gamecube as about Nintendo being more openly willingly to invest in Capcom as a way of bringing mature rated, but also artistically niche and Japanese appealing games first to GC, so that even people who already owned or were definiely going to get a more generally mature rated console, would seriously consider getting a GC to complement it. Capcom would have felt some emotional satisfaction too from seeing their games juxtaposed alongside the bright, iconic, Mario games and would make Capcom look less like Sony's old puppy on a leash. Plus, following Code Veronica on the DC, to work with easier to program, slightly more powerful tech than the PS2 to launch games on [without defecting to the Western Xbox One]. And, whilst not being purely or even at all about money, increasing their artistic worth through rivalry.

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[ShaunCameron]

In retrospect, RE4 felt right at home on the GC alongside the Nintendo IP's that underwent a polarizing shift in direction (Super Mario Sunshine, TLOZ: Wind Waker, Metroid Prime).

[D2K]

This whole thing is a straw-man argument because it is going on the assumption that because the Wii U does not have as much indie support as Sony and Microsoft, that it has little indie support. Which is preposterous. The Wii U has a ton of indie support and lots of exclusive indie games as well. It's not ever going to have as much or MORE than the XB1 and PS4 because the install base is smaller and Nintendo loyalists talk a big game when they complain about the lack of 3rd party support on the Wii U, but rarely venture out to by non-Nintendo games when they actually do happen. However it is easy to put games on the eShop and costs less than the other consoles.

I do think that Nintendo has been very arrogant and bold as of late with stupid comments like this. Just because all of their products sell at a profit and the company as a whole is in the black doesn't mean it's sweet.

[RustyShackleford]

Nintendo was my gaming god growing up, it saddens me to see the evolution of their brand to being content with 3rd place and refusing to evolve with the times. Seriously, you have the cash to throw around. Hopefully they are throwing it at the NX so they can regain their throne. I miss Nintendo being a viable contender for 1st choice console instead of them being ok with being the secondary choice. Who competes in the Olympics and doesn't want to bring home the gold medal?

[Globalgamer]

"it saddens me to see the evolution of their brand to being content with 3rd place"

1st in software
1st in toys
1st in handhelds
1st in profit for the last 10 years

The only place they are not in first is with console sales right now. Still pretty darn good.

And no, you do not just throw cash at indies, because.

Look at the numbers, they help a system sell 0 units.

Look at a game like Yokai watch. That helps a system sell.

They hypocritical nature of N4G is on display.

http://n4g.com/news/1501143...

[superchiller]

Except, they're only "1st" in your own mind. In reality, they aren't "1st" in software, toys, handhelds, and certainly not profits for the last FOUR years, eh? They're a distant third this generation, with a poorly-designed, gimmicky, feature-lacking, underpowered console, and a pitiful amount of games considering how long their system has been on the market.

You better hope the NX breaks the pattern of gimmicks tied to cheap hardware, because if it doesn't, it will be the last home console Nintendo ever makes. And even the 3DS sales are flagging, which is why Nintendo scammed everyone with the release of the "New 3DS", a handheld with SLIGHT improvements that really should have been there from Day 1 (and only one game takes advantage of the new system, lol).

[RustyShackleford]

Well said superchiller!

[Darkfist]

“we don’t throw around cash” love those nintendo fanboys who believe this s**t, so helping indies by funding their games is bad now?, and fact the many indies who became successful in playstation then later went to other platforms, well at least you help devils third by throwing around cash at it XD

[Coachkeys]

If they went to other platforms after ps4.. They aren't very exclusive are they? Also they care enough about indies to make amiibos out of them which helps supports the game that they represent. They're simply saying they don't toss money at every opportunity. The whole point of exclusive titles is to keep them exclusive. And like you said. Even the ps4 indies end up multiplatform over time.

[Darkfist]

"If they went to other platforms after ps4.. They aren't very exclusive are they?"

so your saying that when its exclusive you dont give a f*** about unless it come to your console, and im pretty sure games like "Guacamelee" which became successful on ps3/vita didnt need any funding from sony, later came to other console, but games like "Rime" that needed funding stays exclusive.

"Also they care enough about indies to make amiibos out of them which helps supports the game that they represent"

you mean that game "shovel knight" which already successful that didnt need funding but made figure with locked content?

[Coachkeys]

My console? You mean consoles. Don't pigeon hole me when you don't know your facts. I have 4 platforms that can play guacamelee. What's your point? I forgot you've owned a company for 100 years plus and know about making financial decisions right? Oh wait lol.

[Coachkeys]

Nintendo didn't say that indies aren't worth supporting. You can't fund every project that's pitched to you. There's thousands upon thousands of kickstarters out there right now. To fund every single indie game would be suicide. Especially if you have a new console in the works and a deal with universal studios. Plus I'm sure a new handheld successor in the works as well

[The_Truth_24_7]

They threw cash at Devil's Turd.
*Drops mic

[benji101]

Not really.

[PurpHerbison]

500k WiiUs sold in the USA alone... Maybe if you started "throwing around cash" that pathetic number would rise.

[ShaunCameron]

The Wii U has sold 9 times that to date in the US.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Nintendo has never "paid to play" which is why they get such rough treatment from the mainstream press. This also explains their relationship with developers.

I can also name a few major sites that frequently have their hand out for "payola" when it comes to reviews.

[benji101]

Love the 12 year olds shouting how nintendo should blow money on other publishers work.. Is stupid infectious?

It is crazy! Are people really happy that sony spends money on 3rd party content over making games?

[RedTfox]

Yeah you don't throw money right.
But looking how much the people are rejecting you brand more and more everyday, if was my company losing costumers like that, i have started to throw away money like it was no tomorrow (because it may no be after all).

[benji101]

I own 17 retail games for my wii u, and a lot of indies. and a lot of wii games. I can play every Zelda game on my wii u.
That in itself makes a wii u worth owning.

Pikmin 3
Monster hunter 3
Wonderful 101
Supermario 3d world
Need for speed u
Dk Tropical freeze
Mariokart 8
Hyrule warriors
Bayonetta 1 and 2
Fatal frame five ( Japanese edition)
Captain toad
Smash brothers for wii u
Kirby and the rainbow curse
Xenoblade x (Japanese)
Splatoon
windwaker hd
Snes remix

This year I plan on buying
Super mario maker
Starfox zero
Fire emblem FE#

I think all the games on my list are good or great. I have a pc and a 3ds. I dont think anyone would be disappointed in owning a wii u if they like games. THen again if you dont like games.. then... yeah.. Dont buy a wii u.

[Picnic]

I once touted Nintendo going third party but I think that the NX is going to be something of a comeback for Nintendo.

The reason is that even those people (gamers, which I know in Nintendo's case is 30 million maximum for their main console) who haven't bought a WiiU can still see that it has a high number of high scoring exclusives.

They just didn't buy a WiiU, either because it wasn't powerful enough for them or too expensive for what it was compared to the competition.

If the NX can be released without an expensive controller- but on which you could use a WiiU controller if you wished- and had very good graphics - then it could see a resurgence for Nintendo given the sluggish sales of PS4 and Xbox One in Japan.