Sony Shutting Down Until Dawn Twitch Archives

Sony has disabled archiving for PS4 Share broadcasts of newly released survival horror title Until Dawn, streaming service Twitch has confirmed.

[Aloy-Boyfriend]

Why?

[Genuine-User]

Might have to wait for Sony to comment on this.

[XBLSkull]

Because this is a movie basically, not a game. You'll get the same experience watching it as you would actually playing it. If you just watch it on twitch Sony doesn't get a sale and doesn't make money.

[GTgamer]

@Xblskull well this game is just like walking dead which won *GAME OF THE YEAR* so please tell me why until Dawn isn't considered game but walking Dead Is? Bruhhhhhhhhh your reaching is out of this world games like grim fandango/Monkey island where it's more about the story and not gameplay gets praised but anytime Sony makes games like Until Dawn,Heavy Rain,Beyond two Souls you guys scream those aren't games even tho their no different from those other games. Soooooooooo let's cut the BS thank you very much and could yall stop coming talking down about a game you don't own or have any interest in getting you just sound sad like yall really making it seem like having these genres of games affects your life -_-.

[XBLSkull]

I was just answering the mans question, don't need to get offended guys.

I don't consider any telltale stuff to be games either. I'm a huge Walking Dead fan, got all the comics and love the show but that telltale game was a snoozefest, played all of season 1 and found no reason to do season 2.

[zeuanimals]

@XBLskull:

Your interpretation of what a "game" is doesn't actually define what it is if the gaming industry as a whole doesn't define it in the same way since we've seen interactive "movies" as you call them win GOTY. You can say "I don't like it" but that doesn't mean it isn't a valid option.

[Bewareofsasquatchh]

it's obvious, this game is more like a movie, any interactions the player has with the characters are just quick time events, sony knows that people can just watch the play throughs and not buy the game

[MysticStrummer]

@XBLSkull - "You'll get the same experience watching it as you would actually playing it. If you just watch it on twitch Sony doesn't get a sale and doesn't make money."

Wrong, and wrong.

I played through the game, yes it is a game, and enjoyed the hell out of getting "my" official end to the story. Now I'm enjoying going through it again making different choices as much as possible (there are so many sometimes I forget what I chose the first time). You tell me which horror movie lets you decide what to do with a machete at a particular moment, then later when that machete is needed again it may or may not be available depending on what you chose before. You tell me which horror movie lets you tell a character to hide or run from the killer, and whether they live or die could hang on that one decision? Hell the fact that you get a particular decision to make at a particular moment is sometimes dictated by some other decision you made in a previous chapter. That's not a movie, but I think you know that.

Last night I watched a girl play the game on Twitch and it was a very different experience. She was obviously nervous/scared as she explored (I can't recall ever roaming through a movie looking for clues, can you?). When jump scares would happen she'd scream and curse. When big revelations would happen her eyes would open wide and she'd say something like "Oh my god! What the hell?". It was very entertaining, but different from playing the game because I wasn't the one doing the exploring/deciding. Watching her made me wish I had turned on my camera for my first play through, because there's an option in the menu for the camera to catch your reactions when things happen. I know I jumped a lot but it would be funny to see my facial expressions.

Archiving is disabled, not streaming, so your second point is just ridiculous. There are hundreds of people streaming it right now.

"I don't consider any telltale stuff to be games either"

You're wrong a lot. We know.

[1nsomniac]

Deleted my comment

[DragonKing81]

@XBLSKULL I can say the same thing about Alan Wake. Very repetitive movie game. But I like Until Dawn better

[Silly Mammo]

Everyone leave XBLSKull alone, he's obviously just salty that there's an article talking about a PS4 exclusive when it should be discussing the awesomeness of the Crackdown demo. Can't have too many of those articles.

[Jalva]

Because they want people to buy the game instead of watching someone else beat it on twitch, it's what happens when games try to be movies, the same thing happened with The Order: 1886, intelligent consumers aren't willing to fork out $60 dollars for a cinematic experience but might still be curious to see how the story will unfold, some people might see this comment as trolling but I assure you it's actually common sense, try to distinguish between the two, it will get you places.

[Genuine-User]

Your argument would make sense if Twitch streams and Youtube Walkthrough videos for Until Dawn were also shutting down; which they aren't.

"intelligent consumers aren't willing to fork out $60 dollars for a cinematic experience"

Are you jesting? Why on earth are people agreeing with your ridiculous generalization and baseless assumption.

[Tonykid]

tbh streamers who just show the entire game should be shut down or at lease not make any money from recording it. Nowadays streamers can make money or break even on a game purchase by just streaming their game sessions. How would you like it some guy made money of your creation?

[Jalva]

@Genuine_User

Sony has no control over what is broadcasted on Twitch streams and Youtube, however they are disabling the ability for Until Dawn to be shared to the PS4 using share play so that the people who actually have a PS4 and might still buy the game won't be deterred from doing so as easily, also I don't care how many agrees or disagrees I get from this incredibly biased site, I know what I say is correct and that's all that matters to me.

@GTgamer

The thing is, many people don't care about seeing all the outcomes, they just want to see how the story can play out and then they're satisfied, and the difference between movie games and other single player games is that they have gameplay mechanics, you know, the main reason people buy games, so that they can play them, not watch them and push a button here and there to choose what outcome they want to see.

[GTgamer]

The game has multiple outcomes so unless someone is willing to watch it over and over to see all then I don't get it but tbh it has nothing to do with being a cinematic experience because I can do a walk-through of any single player game and spoil it for you but until Dawn has multiple ways to go about the story so my experience and yours can't be the same which is a big encentive to get the game. So idk why Sony pulled it but I love the game I got really pissed when my favorite character died because I triedddddd to be a nice guy ahwell I got a couple more playthroughs to go so im getting my moneys worth.

[shammgod]

I made my decision to buy the game after watching said stream

[morganfell]

Intelligent consumers aren't willing to fork out $60 for a cinematic experience? So you are saying anyone that purchases this game or The Order lack intelligence. Troll much?

How can you claim what you say is correct when you make such a blatantly erred statement? You can't and you aren't.

[Genuine-User]

@Jalva

You couldn't be more wrong.

Ever heard of YouTube Content ID claim?

[Jaqen_Hghar]

except it's not the same playing as watching. A man gets more out of these types of games than ones that rely on MP which gets boring once you play the maps a couple times.

[Sevir]

Jalva, you have got to be on some sort of brain numbing narcotic to say such a statement... And somehow you only seem to be levying such a remark towards Sony.... Tell Tale Games has been doing these types of games and people love them and score them accordingly, The Walking Dead, Tales from the Borderlands and Game of Thrones from TellTale Games ALL follow the exact formula as Beyond: Two Souls, Heavy Rain and Until Dawn. And they Sell well to merit New entries in their series...

I don't know how you can even loop A 3rd Person Shooter into the same genre as Heavy Rain and Until Dawn?

Please just shut your driveling pie hole and go back to waiting till something worth wild to play releases on XBO...

[fermcr]

@Jalva

Before reading your comment, I was thinking the same thing.

[nRicosS]

"intelligent consumers aren't willing to fork out $60 dollars for a cinematic experience"

IMHO, your post doesn't seem intelligent, at least for me.

[Josuey]

Your 2 bubbles make me question if your a stealth troll. Until dawn is a cinematic experience but there a lot of replayability.
$60 is a good price given the production value,content etc. Game has also gotten great reviews.

[Bathyj]

Yeah, theres a big shock. Jalva and fermcr agree. Its almost like theyre the same troll. If its against Sony you guys always agree.

OT
For a game that is about the experiencing shocks and surprises why would you want you ruin it with a video?

I must admit, I looked at a stream last night just to see the graphics and the guy playing complained that HE watched a stream already and he knew that switch was a trap so he wasnt going to do it. Then he didnt want to touch anything because he thought they were all traps. Is that the spirit this game should be played in?

Watching is not the same as playing, any real gamer knows that. Your reaching trying to imply this is some coverup because the quality is lacking and Sony dont want us to know, but everyone already knows this game is exceeding expectations. I'll spell it out for you, that means the game is BETTER than everyone thought it was going to be, not worse.

The fun in this game comes from experiencing it for yourself. Watching video ruins that. Thats why. Your reasoning is feeble, and insisting youre correct just because you say you are correct is really typical head in the sand behaviour.

I honestly think youre just bitter because we were all expecting this game to get crucified by the reviewers but theyre all saying its great.

[Eonjay]

This game is really taking off. Its quite impressive. I never imagined it would be this successful.

[StrayaKNT]

100% agree my friend finished it in 6 hours and told me it wasn't worth the money at all. Companies shouldn't charge full price for a game like this 15$ would be perfect and even then its still too much for a game you can finish in a day.

[Thatguy-310]

People like you fail to realize that watching someone play a game and playing it yourself is a whole different experience. Individuals might watch a stream and if they see what they like they run out and buy it because they want to experience it themselves. Games like these immerse the player the most because he chooses how to play. When you watch play throughs you watch others enjoy the game.

[morganfell]

"100% agree my friend..."

My friend. The secret friend...

Looks at post history. Ha ha ha ha ha. Yeah, you seem legit...

Do you not realize how you look? People such as yourself are a laugh. Are you really so oblivious to your own past? Do you think for a second anyone with half a brain cell believes the slightest thing you have to say concerning Sony or a Sony product?

[alabtrosMyster]

For the order it was like a hot potatoe game... I got it used for 40$ a few days after release... bought it sold it 35 a few days later... I wonder how low it may be by now?

I find that the environments were too closed, the enemies really uninteresting to fight and there was almost zero interaction with any objects during the quest (you know, like many games, vases, tables, chairs and other objects just bolted really hard on the ground)... and well the story was really really poor :-/

It's hard to love this game, I really wonder how some people came to appreciate it... it's really much lower than what Sony got us used to last gen.

[moegooner88]

The game's success is sure driving fanboys mad.

[Milkshake]

@StrayaKNT
And the ignorant Auzziegamer strikes again!
Your friend?! More like your imaginary friend, idiot!

[Ezz2013]

#world biggest facepalm#

[guyman]

"try to distinguish between the two, it will get you places"

No, no it wont.

[DillyDilly]

People will just watch the cutscenes on Youtube. Sony banning Twitch wont make a damn difference

[christian hour]

Seeing these games on twitch/etc always makes me want to play them more, so I can see how differently my playthrough would be. This may just be an oversight on their end more so than anything (or not, no way to know until we hear more), until dawn has had some rather strange launch issues here in uk/ireland, people couldn't pre-download until yesterday for example due to an oversight in the store listing(not the usual ce-37700-7 bug, so the usual fix didnt work.)

[DragonKing81]

StrayaKNT is the biggest Sony troll on this site lol, I wouldn't listen to nothing he has to say

[badboyz09]

Because they Can.

[gangsta_red]

Spoilers I suppose. Maybe Sony doesn't want others to ruin your first time experience with the game?

But if you go to Twitch and specifically look for Until Dawn well then you're asking for it right?

Who knows...

[ziggurcat]

yeah, if you're going on twitch to watch someone stream the game, you're probably not all that concerned about spoilers.

[Timesplitter14]

My guess is it's because the game relies heavily on the story/scenario and people might think it's useless to buy it if they can just watch others play it

[MysticStrummer]

But they can still watch others play it...

[xXSilentXx]

Partnership with Youtube gaming?

[S2Killinit]

I'm guessing because the game's allure is based on surprising you with twists and turns. It kind of beats the point if there are tons of videos of it out there. I personally agree with the move.

[Blaze929]

makes sense Sony - send your title out to die then also make sure no one can share the experience to help sales. Perfect sense.

[WowSoChill]

#4ThePlayers

[DragonDDark]

Read my comment below =P

[BigGamersSmallTalk]

#4ThePlayers /s

[Gazondaily]

Because this is really is a stab in the back of gamers...../s

[jetlian]

Can be if every company started doing it. I haven't played mgs:pw and seriously thinking of watching it on utube to get up to date with big boss story.

What if konami pulled videos down? I know its not 100% the same but such actions can effect the future of online videos archives

[WowSoChill]

Not letting people use their product how they want is sorta a stab if you ask me

[scark92]

How is this effecting the 'Players'?

[Spectre_StatusN7]

This doesn't make any sense Sony

[DragonDDark]

Again , i think its because the game isn't released i Uk and Ireland. 28th.

[Toiletsteak]

I don't see why that matters, if people want to watch it and ruin it for themselves let them.

[TheLoCoRaven]

This is so people buy the game instead of just watching someone's lets play. For an interactive movie type of game this is probably needed for a few months until sales slow down. They're not banning people from streaming. Alright, bring on the hate. ha!

[WowSoChill]

Maybe if they Game had some decent actual Gameplay that people wanted to experience then they wouldn't have to do this instead of making the Game a movie

[kaizokuspy]

Chill out man. The game has gameplay. If exploration, brutal choice making that does alter the narrative in a fun way, and quick time events that actually matter isn't your thing, then this isn't for you. However, I do like the actual gameplay and would gladly buy any other $60 game made by thsee devs. I've been playing this with my wife. She loves it and I love it. There are millions of other ps4 owners who are like me and my wife. We enjoy this type of game as a couple. So again, not for you, quit whining about gameplay as clearly this games target audience isn't you, at all.

[Sy_Wolf]

There are so many potential endings though, it's not realistic to expect people to play the game enough times to see everything.

[djplonker]

Probably has something to do with the fact the game isn't out in europe until friday.

[StormLegend]

Wow! but why?

[TwoForce]

I think is Europe release date. That's because European people have to wait longer. If you remember, game releases date on Europe is longer. Most of western game get out first than UK. That's just my guess.

[Tonykid]

Good on them it actually gets people to play the game instead just watch some guy on the internet to play it.

[just_sayin]

Watch the whole thing yesterday. No way would I pay for this game. Was pretty good tho.

[Bassmint]

You're telling me that you sat through the entire thing and didn't ONCE think, "I would have chosen the other option" or "I wouldn't have done that". That alone makes it worth it. It's not a linear "movie" you choose your own path and is well worth it imo.

[_LarZen_]

Does it mater? Who cares what some people who rather sit passively and watch a an entire game can or cant do? I sure as heck don't.

If they like it then buy it.

[SharnOfTheDEAD]

Damn, I just played through a few hours and had some great moments, just found out they stopped archiving, pretty sucky thing to do!

[IamTylerDurden1]

You know that your archives only save for a couple of months anyway right?

Tbh this means very little.

Extra point: most regular streamers don't even archive their streams on Twitch. You have to actually find the option in settings and turn it on.

[AstroCyborg]

shady sony strikes again

[kaizokuspy]

So a company protects their investment by blocking sharing of the game is considered shady? Sharing the story through streaming really hurts the sales of a 2 day old game which hasn't even released in europe. How about whiny entitled gamer whines again in the comment section without adding to the dialogue in a constructive way.

[NeoGamer232]

MS blocks sharing games through DRM and it is the end of the world...

Sony blocks sharing of a game and its ok...

The double standards here are ridiculous.

[kaizokuspy]

@neo, doesn't both consoles have some form of drm? I'm not bashing on MS. The way their DRM was initially designed on Xbox one was really awful prelaunch. 24 hour online mandatory check ins and your consoles bricked. At least that's what I remembered. Partly it being the end of the world was because they were moving to digital media only too soon. That's all in the past. Both are right to block what they want. Upon buying their shit they have those terms of use we are supposed to read

[NeoGamer232]

@kaizokuspy
Sony has done this for commercial reasons. They are blocking the playing of content over the Internet because want to maximize game sales. So, in effect Sony is telling you what you can or cannot see in order to make more money. It is never good for a company to do that. As copyright owner they have the right to do this, but it does not make it morally right.

MS tried to make sure that copies of games running on their console were legitimate purchases from the publishers and not used game sales. Telling gamers essentially what they can or can't do with the licenses they purchased. It is not good for a company to do that either. As console vendor MS had the ability to do this, but morally it was not right.

All I am saying is both are wrong. I am not saying one is more wrong than another, I am just saying both are wrong. But, it seems when Sony does this stuff there are a bunch of people thinking this is OK. When MS does it, it is almost completely universal condemnation.

[DragonKing81]

@Astro you mad bro because PS4 is winning this war lmao

[Immorals]

There's a ton of endings, and Sony want people to experience them themselves, rather than just watching them online. Ruins the experience!

[freshslicepizza]

ruin the experience for who? those seeking it probably don't care about spoilers.

[tigertron]

Maybe the consumer can make that choice for themselves?

[pandehz]

I watched a lot of the game. Ummm its totally like a looooong movie. Actually its quite nice. Gameplay bits are not bad but yea its very cutscene heavy. Its a game where your freedom of control is situational or whatever the game allows you to do at that point of time. So yea similar to Heavy Rain.

Not sure if Sony should shut twitch streams for this cuz if ppl wanna spoil it for themselves its their wish.

[kaizokuspy]

It's not out in europe yet. Streaming hurts the potential launch sales.

[IamTylerDurden1]

They didn't shutdown Twitch streams they just disallowed people to save and archive their old streams (of Until Dawn). People are still streaming it live, this is not a big deal.

[pandehz]

Its a half baked ban on streaming.

Well someone wants to watch from the beginning but the streamer is playing live in the middle of the game, that does kill it for the viewer right. At that moment the viewer is 'looking' for the archived footage.

Sony is basically saying ''watch glimpses only''

Well again its the audiences freedom. But again I'm not going into the debate about streaming movies vs games. Long long debate,

[fishy1]

A ton of endings is great, but I can tell you after playing this for an hour and half. I will not do multiple playthroughs. I would rather watch the different endings I did not get instead. But no worries, like everyone says. You can watch it elsewhere.

[kaizokuspy]

Why pay money and do that. Shelf the game until Halloween comes. Replay it then. Games great, why cheapen the experience by spending $60 for the game, then watch everything on youtube/twitch instead of experiencing it?

[Bassmint]

I agree, doing all every single path/ending in one sitting is a bit much yes but it's something to go back to for sure.

[Bassmint]

I agree, doing every single path/ending in one sitting is a bit much yes but it's something to go back to for sure.

[fishy1]

Ok, I see now that there really are not a bunch of endings. The changes are only how many characters die and when. But it is all scripted, they have to die at certain times, and most have only 2 tries to get them killed, others only one that I can see. And 60$ was fine with me, I could care less how many hours I get out of a game. This one was for the experience, and even though I wont keep replaying it. Ifound it enjoyable and worth the cash. Hell, I bought this over gears ultimate. That alone speaks wonders.

[Ozmoses]

this is for archived videos on twitch only....

You can still broadcast via twitch... It's just that the footage doesn't get saved to the archive...

basically it's like the backup of your broadcast doesn't get saved..

nothing major at all.. live streaming and people watching you works just like normal...

[MysticStrummer]

I know. Look at all the people who either don't know what "archives" means or are pretending not to.

smh

There are hundreds of people streaming at this very moment.

[mastershredder]

Because watching it is the majority of the experience. Not a lot of involved gameplay as there is quicktime events and observing the rest of the game as it plays out for you.

Not my type of game, but I was watching it the other day and instantly knew I would not buy it as I could just watch someone else play it and get just as much out of it.

[vikingland1]

I kind of agree, I was watching a twitch stream and it has parts that made me jump. That's what made me want the game though. I will wait for it to come down in price though.

[mastershredder]

I dunno, I could pick it up on the cheep later. The visuals are pretty damn good.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Makes sense since this game has many different endings and some intense secrets. They want to try to preserve some of the games goodies, i'm glad, i was streaming TWD and some viewer literally told me the ending of the game. Luckily this wasn't my 1st playthrough, but if it had been...

Also, if you are interested enough to watch hour upon hour of archival footage then obviously you are interested in the game, but wouldn't you rather be the one in control. Just buy it.

[fulnattybrah]

Anti consumerism at its finest

[dcbronco]

It's a cinematic survival horror game. Showing you everything is a little different from someone telling you everything about a horror movie. If you've already seen exactly how the "scary" parts are it ceases to be scary. It should be cut off until much later after launch.

[Ra3v3r]

I don't see anything wrong with shutting down the archived videos as it prevents folk from just watching the game in its entirety.

Anyone any idea how long a play through should take cos if its only a few hours, maybe the length of a movie, it would definitely put me off a purchase. From what I've read it encourages multiple runs at the story to really experience everything as every character can be killed depending on your choices.

[Skankinruby]

How is this a bad thing? The suspense would be ruined with all the exposed spoilers. I still remember how pissed I was when some idiot online ruined the heavy rain ending for me

[JBlaze226]

People should play this game and stop watching the videos because it will nowhere be the same as playing it and experiencing it for themselves

[JBlaze226]

people need to ignore the videos and stop spoiling the experience for themselves the game is worth the purchase and the game that is worth multiple play through to get the different experience is worth it.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Right, if ur that interested just buy the game, it's worth it. Playing is a heck of alot better than watching. If u enjoy the product then support the dev.

[Whirlwind_Fanfare_08]

I see why now, because if you think about it, players that streaming it and do this:
*hey ppl, help me out here! where do i go? should i kill him/her? should i open this?* see? if they gonna watch and help somebody progress through the game,
ain't gonna buy it because they've seen what or whatnot to do, where or where not to go to or keep my friend alive or not, and hurt sales of the game because they been've seen everything and not trying it out, but it i don't think it'll hurt sales massively though.
I wouldn't want nobody trying to help me progress through it because to me, it'll hurt my experience with the game.
I hope nobody too upset by the fact that sony shutdown until dawn twitch archives.

[DragonDDark]

Isnt it it because the game isnt fully released? Uk and Ireland didn't get it yet. 28th.

[gamer7804]

thats a shame sony is doing this, this doesn't help the twitch service or the players. If they don't try to block viewing until dawn videos on youtube, this almost could be seen as anti competitive since youtube is competing with twitch now.

[Tedakin]

Maybe because it's so story driven with twists, etc, they don't want it spoiled?

[Chaosdreams]

Oh! What a twist!

But seriously, spot on. When a twist is spoiled, it dampens the entire experience. It's like the movies we love but when we know the twist in the plot, it's never the same.

[htownrocket87]

Its a business at the end of the day fellas. As a business Id like for my product and the people who created it to get the highest return possible. Supermassive games did a great job with Until Dawn and its really not fair to them to have a streaming service that shows and spoils their game when its really meant to be experienced first hand. Other games can get away with this but Until Dawn isn't one of them especially since its an exclusive.

[Mr_Luke]

I can understand. If i play it, i get a lot of surprises and so. It could make me jump on the chair, sometimes. If i don't "feel" the fear, what's the point in playing a survival horror? If i already know all the sequences and so it's useless, it doesn't give you the same experience.

P.S. i see that every article is polluted by fanboys with stupid comments. Nice. Always nice. Bah, sadness...

[Soldierone]

I played it beginning to end a couple times and had viewers sit and watch it the entire time lol

I wish it were archived though.

[MoveTheGlow]

Hmph. I don't like any measures that deny the public use of completely harmless information, but I get that it's a consumer product and they want to make sure it has value and is enjoyed the way it's supposed to be enjoyed.

It's a business move that sucks and makes sense at the same time, because Until Dawn is a bit of a choose-your-own-adventure movie, but the practice of shutting down game streams at launch gets rid of one great way to evaluate whether or not you want to purchase a game. It's replacing reviews in some ways, so this is a little murky.

[ilikepizza]

All this damage controlling for this crap "game". There is a reason sony doesn't want people seeing gameplay of this game and it obviously has to deal with ruing the replay factor. It's so damn obvious but on this site its a mystery like wtf,wake up lol

[ShadowWolf712]

Oh yeah, there's a reason alright.

http://www.engadget.com/201...

An unintended one.

[ilikepizza]

Yeah they conveniently forgot to flip a switch to allow archiving just like they set a review embargo to lifted the same day of the game. This is sony. No idea why people don't see them for what they are and are about.