Xbox One VS PS4 Microsoft Corporation Stunned by Past Glory

Microsoft won't make much money, if any, from the Xbox One VS PS4 battle, but that may not be the firm's aim any more. Phil Spencer, the man in charge of the Xbox brand, has openly stated that beating Sony isn't among his team's goals. What's important is making sure that the Xbox One isn't a complete failure.

[Foehammer]

So the Backward Compatibility is boosting sales of 360 games

Mission accomplished: more happy gamers with an every increasing library of choices.

"Sony hasn’t done anything really wrong, though some gamers aren’t happy with its purchase of so many third party exclusives, but the firm isn’t making as many big happy announcements as the Xbox team is right now."

I agree, the exclusives coming out now are very impressive and will be a big part of the holiday sales, especially when you can get those AND the third party titles on X1, 2016 is going really good as well for everyone.

[Eonjay]

Except almost everyone can count more bigger games in the works for the PS4. Don't be fooled by the exclusive propaganda. The truth is 3rd party is destroying everyone right now. Mortal Kombat, The Witcher 3, Batman, and Metal Gear are just a few examples.

Nintendo and Microsoft are proof positive that a handful of exclusive games doesn't matter when Sony is delivering the best 3rd party console platform and exclusives littered throughout.

[Gazondaily]

'exclusive propaganda'

Lol what do you mean?

"Nintendo and Microsoft are proof positive that a handful of exclusive games "

Let me stop you there. A handful eh? Best exclusives you say? What's your metric other than yourself? Because that's not proof of anything other than your own disposition.

You would be hard pressed to deride the Xbox One's future lineup. Its going toe to toe with Sony and there is no massive disparity or propaganda as you say there is. Also, you cannot downplay exclusives because of short term implications. In the long run, the value proposition of a console is increased immensely as consumers associate quality to consoles not just based on third party titles.

"The truth is 3rd party is destroying everyone right now."

Why are people suddenly realising this now and not last gen when the exact same state of affairs were in play? Third party titles have ALWAYS been commanding real profits. In that sense, that propaganda has always been operating yes.

[S2Killinit]

Fact is: PS4 has more exclusives, and more exclusives in the pipeline. In each and every category. Isnt it time we gave credit where it is due?

Edit: the article's reasoning makes a lot of assumptions. While reading it i kept thinking "moving the goal posts outside the stadium at this point". At least i hope the author is coming from an honest standpoint and not trying to trick would-be xbone purchusers.

[xHeavYx]

Sony has deals with 3rd party developers because the PS4 is destroying the competition, selling more than 2nd and 3rd place COMBINED.
Not only that, Sony has always had a story of more acclaimed 1st party games and more of a diversity. Except for a few exclusions, most of the games coming to the One are shooters.
Also, when it comes to exclusive games, Sony not only has more games, they also have a wider variety, as shown here http://i904.photobucket.com...

[Gazondaily]

@Heavy
"Sony has deals with 3rd party developers because the PS4 is destroying the competition"

And it has nothing to do with money? No money hatting here?

When you have Sony's own execs say things are a little sparse first party wise and more reliance on third party deals, you simply think its because devs are clamouring to sign off deals with Sony and not money hatting like how the term was thrown about so much last gen?

Its just a change of play yes but its still money hatting. It always has been. There's no nobility in it, if such a thing even matters.

[Eonjay]

@Septic

I think you misunderstand. I am saying that everyone has great linups but the 3rd party will win the day. There are simply too many of them, they employ the vast majority of developers, musicians, and artists, and they are making great games.

[Gazondaily]

Eonjay.

But they always have mate. A cursory glance at Last gen will show that.

[Eonjay]

@Septic

Exactly. I agree 100%

[BitbyDeath]

@Septic, are you really trying to argue that Sony can and has outbid Microsoft on almost every occasion? If it were just about money then MS would have the 3rd parties on their side. Truth is 3rd parties simply move to whomever will have the greater sales ensuring greater sales for their own games.

[APexGamer45]

@Septic

"Sony relying on 3rd party"

You do realize if you just count MS's 1st party, you only have Forza and kinect game....

Look at PS3 vs X360. Sony twice number of exclusives in 80 to 100. There is no comparison here.

[joeorc]

"Sony hasn’t done anything really wrong, though some gamers aren’t happy with its purchase of so many third party exclusives, but the firm isn’t making as many big happy announcements as the Xbox team is right now."

I mean this right here is the very reason that you just cannot look at this objectively and sit there and even say that is even remotely true.bnot in the slightest.

" the firm isn’t making as many big happy announcements as the Xbox team is right now."

Gee who still has not one , not two but three more conferences and one of which is right in smack dab holiday season in December. And yet you have the above claim?

Sony is not making any real big announcement's as Xbox team?
Never mind they were tied for the largest booth presence @Gamescom, but yet its claimed over and over in the gaming media or implied painting the perception that Sony was not there! At Gamescom.

[SpringHeeledJack]

This kid septic out again defending the xbox and attacking Sony. Didn't see you complaining when xbox 360 was getting all the 3rd party treatment. Talk about double standards he was defending low scores of until dawn but attacking low scores of Gears of war earlier hypocrite.

Very little money hatting is needed by Sony when the PS4 install base is so much bigger than the xbox.

[Bigpappy]

3rd party has always dominated the sales charts except on Nintendo consoles. The is not the sheer number of exclusives coming, but which ones are more innovative and generate he most excitement. Right now I think Xbox is winning the excitement battle, but its not possible to predict if the excitement will be enough to push sales on a mass scale. What I can say for sure, is that it makes current owners very happy that they own the Xbox. They will get to play the same 3rd part, while looking forward to the exciting and innovative games and features.

[freshslicepizza]

he/she who makes the most money wins, not necessarily who sells the most. the xbox is basically just a gateway to bigger things.

[showtimefolks]

I don't understand this, didn't ms totally depend on the same 3 to 4 franchises all last gen? Also didn't xbox360 made its name on 3rd party exclusive marketing deals/bundles/exclusive and or early dlc content?

This holiday season will be very telling on who really dominates(BTW I don't see either Xbox or ps4 outselling each other by huge margins in the months that either consoles win in the usa, world wide we all know ps4 will dominate)

Exclusives are personal preference, some may like jalo,forza,gears and tomb raider others may like other titles.

For as much as ms are touting their exclusive lineup and how Xbox fans are saying Xbox one will dominate all I have to say is it better, otherwise it can't do much else. Xbox one is getting it's biggest ip in halo, but than again halo 3 was the peak for the franchise and no other halo games have come close to passing halo 3 sales numbers

I give month of September and November to ps4 (mgs 5 bundle world wide and exclusive marketing, destiny taken king bundle, uncharted collection, quite possiblly assassin creed syndicate bundle, star wars bundles and call of duty exclusive marketing)

Xbox one October and December(halo 5, tomb raider, forza 6, rainbow six and just cause 3 exclusive marketing. Halo 5 bundle, forza bundle)

But even when ps4 wins a month it won't be by a huge margin and when Xbox one wins it also won't do so with a huge margin

Even month of October Sony can fight against halo 5 with uncharted collection and assassin creed syndicate bundle. Not saying it will outsell but it can do quite well

So if Sony did win 2 months out of 4 in holiday and still sell the most world wide did they really loose anything? By doing this they are giving all their developers extra time to develop. I think people are forgetting what ps4 can unleash in 2016 and beyond

Uncharted 4
GT
God of war
Horizon
Dreams
Wild
The last guardian
Shenmue 3 ps4 first
Deep down
Street fighter 5
Ff7 ps4 first
Persona 5
New IP from Quantic dreams
New IP from Sony London
Quit possibly a new game in bloodborne universe

Second team over at ND
Second and 3rd teams over at Santa Monica(they have total of 3 with one doing god of war)

I think ps4 is so far ahead of Xbox one that sony can take some risks like giving their developers extra time. 13 plus million lead will take this whole generation and a lot of Sony scew ups to vanish

[Death]

That really doesn't make sense. Sony is dominating the competition so third parties are flocking to the platform to make deals where everyone is already playing? Why would third parties need to make incentives where they already have an audience? If anything they would go where they need the most help making sales.

The third party deals are being made by Sony to bolster their sparse first party lineup this year. A mountain of indie shovelware will not replace quality first party exclusives no matter how much you want them too.

As for multiplatform games giving Sony an edge, by definition multiplatform games are on multiple platforms like the PS4 and Xbox One.

You guys are starting to sound way to desperate to make it sound like Sony has the most compelling line up for the year. They don't unless you bought the worlds most powerful console to play budget games. Next year will be a great year for Sony. You don't need to "win" at everything to be happy.

[triple_c]

I laugh at people that think and say that Microsoft's first party can compete with Sony's first party when Microsoft's first party is generally pumping out the same AAA exclusives which is..? You guessed it! Halo, Gears and Forza..

I mean look at next year.

Games being made by Microsoft's studios that are slated to be coming out next year.

Gears of War 4
Sea of Thieves

Games being made by Sony's studios that are slated to be coming out next year.

Horizon Zero Dawn
The Last Guardian
Uncharted 4
Dreams
Mlb 16: The Show
Gran Turismo 7

Sony still has 3 more shows as well so more could possibly be added to the list.

I mean you can even look at last generation as well. Last generation is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Look at how the the PS3 destroyed the 360 in terms of first party exclusives last generation.

In terms of first party output, there is no comparison.. Sony takes a massive dump on Microsoft when it comes to first party support. Most of Microsoft's AAA exclusives are being made by 3rd parties and most of Sony's AAA exclusives are being made by their own first party studios but a lot of people don't seem to realize that.

[APexGamer45]

@TimoTim

Beside your obvious bias aside, the question clearly states "FROM XBOX ONE vs PS4 BATTLE"

So PC is pretty excluded from there. Also, MS dont get any cut from PC games sales.

[dcbronco]

Triplec two of the games you named aren't mad by Sony studios. And of the four that are, two are part of a long line of sequels. Both companies have more to announce so let's wait and see before we judge.

Though besides what the cloud will bring I'm betting Microsoft has a few other big announcements coming. For one go back and watch the video for the indie game Tacoma. There is something huge coming. To the average gamer with blinders on it will appear insignificant. But in the real world it will be a seismic event that will create goodwill even from gaming's biggest critics. The mainstream media will eat it up and the word Xbox will be on every channel for weeks.

[Azzanation]

@Eonjay

*Except almost everyone can count more bigger games in the works for the PS4.*

Is this really what gamers think? From what iv seen there are more blockbuster games out and coming out for XB1 at the moment. Sony have more smaller games that are PC/PS4 exclusives like most of the Indie and PC ports but if your looking on the 1st party front, I see MS having the bigger games in 2015 and they did in 2014 as well and 2016 doesn't look like there slowing down. Sony will have a massive year in 2016 and no one is denying it but to say they have bigger games in the making is nothing more then wishful thinking. The competition from all platforms aren't slowing down in 2016 and beyond. XB1 will keep up with the PS4 on 1st party titles in 2016, it might not outsell the PS4 but they will bring the games like they have been doing for the past a couple of years.

[AndrewLB]

@ApexGamer45

And what did all those exclusives do for Sony? last I checked 360 games outsold PS3 games by over 20 million copies even though Sony sold more consoles. People hate hearing this, but the only reason why the PS3 consoles outsold 360 was due to the blu-ray player. At the time of release, a Blu-ray player cost over $600 and most of them sucked. PS3 consoles were fantastic players which is why my parents bought a PS3 for movies and have never once played a game on it. Same goes for other people I know.

To be honest, buying it for just the blu-ray was kind of a dirt-bag move considering how much money Sony lost on each of them.

[StrayaKNT]

When you have nothing to brag about but third party marketing deals, you know your preferred platform isn't delivering the goods lmao we get to play those games too dude infact nobody will be playing cod when halo comes out except those who can't play halo :) enjoy

[triple_c]

@dcbronco
The denial is strong in you.

Horizon Zero Dawn (Guerilla Games)
The Last Guardian (Sony Japan)
Uncharted 4 (Naughty Dog)
Dreams (Media Molecule)
MLB 16: The Show (Sony San Diego)
Gran Turismo 7 (Polyphony Digital)

Every game that I named in that list is being developed by Sony's first party studios. Lying to yourself isn't going to change the facts.

[Kleptic]

Tim:

you're obviously extremely confused as to how MS handles their Xbox Line, and windows (be it windows 10, or 8, or 7, etc.)

publishing a game on windows 10, or 8, or 7, etc...is no different than publishing any form of software on that OS...you make it, you support it, its your problem...

that is 180 degrees from how publishing on an xbox one works...you have to opt in and pay for a whole bunch of things first, including contracts on royalties per copy sold, but then get helped with support and other hosting duties within the closed network of XBL and the system.

MS doesn't make any money from games sold on steam...or EA's Origin, or Battlenet, etc...but, MS doens't help those media outlets cover bandwidth requirements for pushing games to clients, support with hosting, etc.

windows gaming is like Google/Android is to mobile...Xbox is like Apple is to mobile...android is more feature filled, far more open, and more popular overall compared to iOS...just as windows is to apple's OS...but apple users claim it isn't, and are extremely loud about it...its frightening how MS has two different products that go to the two extremes like that...but, both situations are fueled by ignorance, which is what this was an attempt at correcting...

[Professor_K]

I was with you on 3rd party games until the second paragraph i mean just LoL this is straight up advertisment. no, i would never by a ps4 simply to play 3rd party games specialy when the xbox is cheaper and has a better value.

[dcbronco]

My bad Triplec, you're right. A couple of them do need to work on their ability to get a game out of the door though. Those five and six years turn over times need to be shortened by three or so years.

[rdgneoz3]

"though some gamers aren’t happy with its purchase of so many third party exclusives"

Pot calling kettle black? MS did it all the time last gen and even spent $50 mill on GTA IV timed DLC. Hell, one of the big exclusives this holiday season is a "third party exclusive" MS bought, of which the previous game sold more and ran better on PS4.

[-Foxtrot]

"but the firm isn’t making as many big happy announcements as the Xbox team is right now"

Because they don't have a reason for announcing almost everything.

They are just following the same structure of announcing/releasing games they did with the PS3.

Only game they really announced far too early has been Uncharted 4 but that's because of problems within the studio as Amy Hennig left.

Microsoft had more free time to make more games as they didn't release anything in the final year of the 360 before the Xbox One came. Plus lets not forget they've needed to make these games because of where they are at the minute. Microsoft needed to kick up the backside to focus on gamers and their first party while Sony has never needed that as they've always done it.

[fishy1]

Only game they really announced far too early has been Uncharted 4 but that's because of problems within the studio as Amy Hennig left.....

FFVII shenmue..... you have a short memory both those are not release games. Both are barely in production. MS did not announce games 2-3 years out. Are you really that brainwashed??

[freshslicepizza]

"Only game they really announced far too early has been Uncharted 4 but that's because of problems within the studio as Amy Hennig left."

you can't be serious.

the last guardian, shenmue 3 (to be fair it needs funding first), ffvii remake ( i doubt it will be out in 2016), david cage demo on the ps4, driveclub, media molecules dreams, project morpheus, no mans sky, the witness.

[OldDude]

@Darksniper

"A console more powerful than God" huh...

Is that why it doesn't have games at 60fps? Is that why they are being sued about lying about 1080p? (Killzone)

Yeah, I have a PS4 also, and its about as powerful as a mid-range PC. So while I don't know your definition of God, if its more powerful than the god you worship than your God is a punk.

Also odd how all Sony fanboys do is make fun of shooters on Xbox when their biggest selling games on PS4 are guess what... SHOOTERS! Also you guys brag about marketing rights for guess what... SHOOTERS!

Your post is idiotic.

[ShaunCameron]

<Also odd how all Sony fanboys do is make fun of shooters on Xbox when their biggest selling games on PS4 are guess what... SHOOTERS! Also you guys brag about marketing rights for guess what... SHOOTERS!>

Indeed.

[LamerTamer]

Yeah Foe you also get the third party titles on xbox, but they look better on PS4. Whether you want to admit it or not The PS4 GPU is stronger hardware and 1080p looks better than 900p. Many including me notice the crisper picture.

As far as better exclusives that is totally subjective. Both have good exclusives.

[thecowsaysmoo]

Forcing 1080p games are bad when it effects fps. Just like zombi, cod, ass creed , witcher 3, ect...

[2pacalypsenow]

Yeah because they are loosing the sales battle , if MS was ahead it would be singing a different tune ,and we would be hearing from Aaron greenberg every week

But BC is a nice feature

[Magicite]

''Phil Spencer[..]has openly stated that beating Sony isn't among his team's goals. What's important is making sure that the Xbox One isn't a complete failure.''
-basically he acknowledged that they cant compete with Sony and that Xbox is a failure (for now).

[Obility]

It makes me sad thinking that fanboys like u are around. Its very annoying and dumb how people keep saying Xbox is a failure just cause they have lower sales than just one of their competitors. Xbox is far from a failure. Its selling faster than the 360 and doing great. Why try beating your competitors buy getting useless exclusive content when u can give ur fans exclusive games instead. I don't give a shit if that makes Xbox sales lower than PS. Sure ya the PS4 is selling great but if your on Xbox or even PlayStation there's no reason why you should give a shit. It would only make more sense in saying the wii u is a failure but not because it got beaten by its competitors when it came out a year earlier. Because its selling a lot slower than its past consoles and not much know that its not an extension for the wii. They are all great consoles but I'm sure most of us know that the sales difference is not because xbox was a failure at launch. Its literally marketing. I'm look at you don mattrick. (smh)

[PhoenixUp]

Xbox One is performing a lot better than Xbox 360 did. How having your fastest selling console on the market be considered a failure is beyond absurd.

People just need to accept that the Xbox brand will never be as successful as the PlayStation brand, but they can both be successful on their own individual merits.

[Gazondaily]

Absolutely.

People shouldn't gauge the value of a console based on sales, as so many on here do. Thats just absolutely stupid.

Success isn't always measured by sizing yourself up against others. True success is knowing you've bettered yourself. In this industry, MS has made all the right moves to tremendous change after making almost all the wrong one's at the start.

Gamers have every reason to be excited by Xbox and I don't see how anyone can argue to the contrary.

[Trekster_Gamer]

Septic, they will argue ANY point that puts a positive light on the XBOX brand.

Xbox has made amazing strides since release but blind fanboyism here is rampant.

[vikingland1]

It's not just the xbox brand that the sony fanboys hate it's any brand other than sony that they hate. It was the same in the n64 and dreamcast era. Sales sales sales is all that's important to them. It's pure arrogance just as it's always been with the sdf, this is nothing new ,where have all you people been for the last 20 years?

[Magicite]

Only for now, x360 had it rough at start, but later on it performed really well everywhere worldwide, even much better in Japan, than X1 does. X1 has no luxuries to keep up.

[LamerTamer]

A problem that no one really talks about is the fact that the xbone REQUIRES an internet connection. If you want to play a new game often you need to update the xbox OS before you can play it. They don't put that update on the game disc, so no internet ,no play. The PS4 on the other hand has the OS updates on the game disc. So if you need to update to play the game it is there, no connection required. That may not sound like a big deal but for worldwide sales it can be. Not all countries have good internet and in some places not all gamers have internet access. In those places Xbone is unusable.

[Obility]

wtf r u talking about. It think u don't know the difference between windows xp and xbox one. U need to update the os on windows xp to play the newest games (sometimes) not xbox one.

[Rookie_Monster]

MS are doing fine IMO. Doesn't matter how Sony or Nintendo are doing, they are still outpacing last gen consoles at the same 22 months time frame and they just had a 44% increase in console sale in July compared to last year on NPD.

MS are doing everything that are music to many XB1 gamers' ears and they will be rewarded on the end with their continue effort and listening to feedbacks from the community and Phil Spencer is the perfect man for the job. And so far, what they are doing are really nice:

-Tons of exclusive games on its way with Gears Ultimate and Rare Replay just released and ForzA 6 is like 2 weeks away with new a exciting IPS like QB, Scalebound and of course the potentially evolutionary Crackdown 3 on the way next year with no sigh of slowing down.

-BC to let x360 gamers keep and continue to play their investment, giving XB1 Gold Live members 2 more x360 BC games for free on their consoles each month in addition to the XB1 offering.

-Giving every xb1 account unlimited cloud saves, HDD for unlimited amount of storages and portability, ability to buy once and play it on Windows 10 PC as well like KI season 3. Stuffs like these are really appreciative as well and it all adds up.

So in they end, it is not a matter of trying to catch up to anyone but how they are currently performing with their own expectation and goals and numbers show, they are clearly on a right path.

[Gazondaily]

"So in they end, it is not a matter of trying to catch up to anyone but how they are currently performing with their own expectation"

Add to that the expectations of their fans. If they keep this pace up, it will only serve to strengthen their brand. Microsoft are doing a great job with Xbox and we gamers are reaping the rewards of their struggles. As far as MS are concerned, if they keep this up, they are bound to be rewarded, if they aren't already.

[user9950279]

"Phil Spencer, the man in charge of the Xbox brand, has openly stated that beating Sony isn't among his team's goals. What's important is making sure that the Xbox One isn't a complete failure."

lol. wow. what a sad transparent and blatant mis-characterization. Do people actually think like this?

Seems to me that Phil made that statement, alluding to the fact that MS is now more focused on a unification of all its platforms, particularly PC and home consoles. And, as it happens, that's a space that Sony simply isn't competing in. MS' only real competition in that regard is Steam.

[DragonKing81]

As a PC gamer first they won't never compete with Steam. Competition is good though.

[user9950279]

Oh totally, as a distribution platform steam cant be beaten. Seems like an "if you cant beat em, join em" scenario.

Just as far as Steam OS and Steambox/PC unification, though. You know what I mean.

[LamerTamer]

I still don't see what is so great about Steam. All that is is a digital download service with loads of DRM. It is too restrictive on where you can play games. If I were a PC gamer I would avoid Steam and go the warez and torrentz rout, at least there you truly own the game and aren't restricted with draconian DRM.

[Eonjay]

I fundamentally disagree with the premise that Microsoft can't make money on the Xbox One. Knowing that they can't beat Sony should make them reavaluate their program. I believe that they can still come out of this with profit.

Put yourself in their shoes. If you knew you could not beat your rival, the least you can do is make as much money as you can. For example, they are paying for fewer 3rd party deals... instead investing in first party projects which will make them more revenue than any 3rd party platforming fees ever could.

They are also offering more expensive bundle SKUs. This will ensure that their base revenue is higher.

The idea that Microsoft would let Sony turn the Xbox into a never ending loss leader is not reasonable.

[Godmars290]

Its not just the XB0, but the brand division. From the first system which only lost money to the cost of making up for RROD and now all of the thwarted plans for always online, which included an NFL deal that went south, the brand just hasn't had any luck.

[Xbonewone32015]

There's nothing to "come out of".

Xbox is as healthy as ever.

[Magicite]

except its not making profit.

[Godmars290]

@Magicite:
Its made or shown a profit over given quarters, its just that overall the bran's lost money. The first Xbox put things two billion in the red by the end of its cycle with R&D into the 360 only adding to that before RROD happened.

[Lenrulesdaworld]

no company truly makes money on ocnsole sales, they make money on game sales. With no red ring to hinder them this gen, micro will be fine based off how they're 1st party sales and transactions have been doing this gen. The same for sony as well, consoles only make about $19-26 bucks per console. If that now that the consoles have been out for two years. Theres a reason micro is trying to sell games on windows & xbox the combo is where the money is.

[Automatic79]

@Eonjay This article is bogus with assumptions and no real links to prove there theories. You are right in terms of MS making a stronger push for first party titles and getting more in return in the long run. What people fail to see is that Xbox 360 also brings in revenue to MS and now so does windows 10 this is why MS is creating one big eco system to see more revenue. Think about it MS has Minecraft on all devices that game alone generates money for MS.

[Godmars290]

Making a reasonable profit is not the same as beating a competitor. At best such is remotely related.

[Sonyslave3]

At the end of the MS is in a better financial position then Sony.

Let hope Sony be around next gen to make a ps5 according to stock experts they worth junk and selling everything 2 stay afloat.

[S2Killinit]

Sony is back in black actually. Rumour is, MS might be the one thinking about exiting the video game arena which might still be an option on their table as evidence by their decision not to invest in In-house VR. Not that the company is in any trouble, god knows they could stand to loose a pretty penny. Did you hear about the 3.8 BILLION dollars Gates lost in the recent China market recession? Almost 4 billion in ONE day! Yeah Gates will be fine but heck, even Gates would feel a loss that big.

Personaly i hope they both stick around.

[Gazondaily]

"Rumour is, MS might be the one thinking about exiting the video game arena which might still be an option on their table as evidence by their decision not to invest in In-house VR."

BS. This old nonsense rumour again? Got a link to these fresh rumours from a credible source?

[S2Killinit]

Its not "BS". Had you read this very article you might have noticed that its being brought up here as well. Besides wasnt it forbes that first reported that some majority owners within MS were trying to pursuade the rest to drop Xbox? Pretty sure it wasnt even a "gaming" website. It was on the news. Furthermore, please note that im not talking as if it is a fact, only speculation. But the "rumour" HAS been around. Notice that i called it a rumour as well.

[LamerTamer]

Well Gates isn't in control of MS any longer, he has been gone for years. Minor detail.

[Why o why]

salty

I play with pads not calculators

junk sony's output has been better than cash rich ms for every gen they've been involved in and the last time I checked....gamers buy consoles for games. Hope your shares and dividends paid off

I hear ms hasn't made a substantial amount off the xbox brand...I personally cant believe. I've never ever checked their financials to that level

[Gazondaily]

"I play with pads not calculators "

If only people in the sales threads shared that mentality lol. But its true. Sony's dire financial straits made them make the beast the PS4 is. So in that sense I care but who on earth champions the financial superiority of one brand over another? Well apart from Sonyslave above...

Its silly.

[Spotie]

@Septic: Then why the hell aren't you actually questioning Sonyslave?

He's making asinine statements and you're rebutting the people that respond to him.

Sony's isn't selling off everything. They're not in any danger of not being around next generation.

[Why o why]

to be fair Spotie, Septic kinda agrees with me. Im rarely in the sales threads and when I do its mainly for sport and childish payback but sony, despite their financials have done more their fanbase in my opinion. No end of gen coast like ms did last gen, relying on 3rd parties to feed their fanbase. Sony continued to support their platform throughout the gen whereas cash Rich MS chose not to... Sony slave is celebrating MS's bottom line, not his gaming needs... calculators over pads. I'm the opposite. Neither sony or MS care about my financial woes or needs... I'm just zeros and 1's to them. Its business so I want games all gen of a wide variety and good quality. For me, Sony has proved it can do this since they entered the game, MS, despite their financial ability to do so has not.... YET. They may do but their bottom lines aren't the things I champion first.

[Gazondaily]

@Spotie
"He's making asinine statements and you're rebutting the people that respond to him."

How am I rebutting what Why o Why is saying? I'm in complete agreement with him.

Did you actually read what I wrote?

"So in that sense I care but who on earth champions the financial superiority of one brand over another? Well apart from Sonyslave above...

Its silly."

Actually read what I say next time.

[kaizokuspy]

I check Financials and care about both companies. I hate how MS ended last gen and tried to start this gen. However they are on the right track to getting me as a gamer back. As for fiscals, Ms lost billions with Nokia, lost billions in R&D, lost billions in the RROD lawsuit, and right now they are doing everything they can to win gamers back. Which is great, someone else can list sonys short comings as I don't know them bc I just got my first playstation and it was ps4 so I'm sure there's a lot, but money does matter. It matters bc there are stocks, investors and so on. If said stocks perform abysmal, how many games you think will be continued to be made for either? For next gen? For the gen after that? It matters. It's sad, but it matters. Not even console war pov, but business as a whole pov. If the brand doesn't perform, the companies do budget cuts, trim fat where profit lies barren or marginal. What if they cut funding to their first party dev teams? Then what? We get shit on. I read these articles not to brag, but to know which company hOlds the umbrella for its install base

[Germany7]

Probably the "stock experts" you are talking about are just sad fanboys like you.

[DougLord]

Total garbage hack job. "MSFT may not make much $ on Xone" is author's opinion with no substantiation. "MSFT trying to make sure Xone isn't a total failure" is as well. XOne is out selling 360 at the time in its life cycle. 360 outsold original Xbox. But worthless author says they are loosing 360 owners to PS4. Total BS.

[kaizokuspy]

Not BS, I jumped ship from 360 to ps4, so did 5 of my friends. Actually msft doesn't make much with console sales. Between $12-$35 at this point. Even less during their bundles with TVS (best buy), skus without kinect (bc kinect costs millions if not billions to R&D, which matters bc kinect games won't mete out bc there won't be many to utilize it) it can continue to outsell last gen all day long, but the hardware in an xbox one is significantly more expensive than the hardware in an xbox one. So yeah, the author actually makes valid points regardless.

[ShadowWolf712]

@shloobmm3

Actually, Sony's been making a $20 profit off each hardware unit sold since launch.

[dcbronco]

I'm not giving this clown a click but the headline is pure stupidity. There was enough going on for some uninformed people to still believe the 360 lost money. Lack of knowledge is a problem but it happens. We all know the Original Xbox lost a ton of money. But for some idiot to think just because Sony is doing extremely well while Microsoft is only doing great means Microsoft is losing money is just beyond stupid. It's a business you idiot, not a game of cards. It's not all in. They make money based on whether they are selling their product at a profit and keeping other cost down. Given the design of the consoles and cost reductions over the last two years they are both making a profit on every unit sold.

Stop fishing for clicks.

[Xbonewone32015]

Lmfao.

MS cashflow from the xbox brand is extremely healthy.

Its Sony who is going bankrupt.

Stop these nonsense articles, just stop.

[Persistantthug]

Xbonewone32015............Ther e's still a consortium of Microsoft shareholders that want the XBOX brand to dissolve. They think the XBOX brand is a waste of Microsoft's time, energy and money..........basically.

[scientificreasoning]

Hmm xbox has been in the red since it's existence, MS and Xbox, seperate the two clown.

Sony posted 600+ million profit last quarter....get some new material. In fact all but 1 division is making money.

[thecowsaysmoo]

Sony ps3 lost all the money sony ever made on the ps2 and ps1 COMBINED. Also, with the Vita abomination Sony is in deep dire shit. Microsoft could care less about making money on xbox. They are using it to get to the younger audience. Sony MUST make money on playstation because pretty much everything else is losing them money.

[kaizokuspy]

@thecowsaysmoo

And MS lost billions on r&d on kinect 2.0
Billions on their Nokia deal
Spent billions on minecraft, which to be honest I hope they make money from it, but I'm not holding my breath.
MS is just as bad shape as sony as a company overall.
MS younger audience grab doesn't make sense as its the parents who buy consoles for their kids. Sony has just a good line up for family friendly games as xbox one. Should family friendly be a console seller, well that's nintendo realm. So I'm not sure where your argument holds water, but I did find some holes.

[pelenow]

Purely speculative article. Microsoft's Computing and Gaming Hardware division has only posted profits since the release of Xbox One. XO is also outpacing it's predecessor so comparing Xbox to Nokia is just BS.

[kaizokuspy]

Xbox definitely isn't nokia, but I'm sad that MS lost 7 billion or so on the Nokia deal.

[pelenow]

Well good for you. It is important to remember that MS owns Nokia outright now and has shrunk the brand on purpose to make it more nimble. So it's premature to say they "lost" anything yet. A wise company can leverage it's brands over the course of many years. What is truly sad is the fact that Sony's only outperforming product is Playstation 4.

[Picnic]

Every single day I imagine that many Microsoft staff might secretly chuckle 'Do you know, we've got away with charging for online on Xbox since 2002 and nobody seems to really mind because we had best tech with the original and then we just started releasing first so that noone had a chance to question it.'

[pelenow]

Yeah and Sony with it's poor man's version of Xbox live said "me too", because no one will notice.

[Picnic]

I see Xbox Live as a poorer version because it makes its players financially poorer.

In terms of the chargeable service, Playstation Plus always offered better free games. It's only recently that Microsoft have stepped up a gear and that Sony have had to start charging out of necessity.

To charge Xbox One users merely to access an internet browser is pathetic.

I appreciate that Xbox has been positioned as a more detailed kind of online experience and it has interesting things like Project Spark and Sea of thieves. I just think it's cynical of Microsoft to expect everyone to pay the same for that regardless of the extent of online play that they want. Why not charge a microtransaction per game instead?

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Its interesting to see some analysts hang on to the notion of "software is what got MS where they are so they should stick to it". Yes..software is what got MS to where they are but that really isn't enough in tech now. You need only to look across the isle of some of MS's biggest competitors to understand that. Apple.... Google... all not only excel in software but they all have a firm / good foothold in hardware in one fashion or another.

Another point to think about is the value of brand...Xbox as a brand is valuable and one that MS clearly wants to continue to grow. How they grow it is going to be interesting to watch in the coming years with Windows now integrated with it.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Take the console blinders off. Anyone with eyes and a brain can see what Microsoft's long term strategy is:

"It's a really unique value that only we can offer," he added. "You still need very gamer-focused values, but there's lots of things you can do with our technology. We've really got a lot more going on [than our competitors]. We're doing things that can't be done on any other console."

Tsunoda went on to say that allowing people to play games "wherever they want, on whatever device they choose, and making that easy" is Microsoft's long-term goal for the overall Xbox ecosystem.

They want the gamers to decide where they play Xbox games whether that be on the next Xbox or PC. Not fanboys or Sony.

[kaizokuspy]

Pretty sure MS is leaning towards a pc set top box with xbox as the logo next gen. Be able to stream all games is where they were headed this gen, but launch got fucked, but I bet next gen as a consumer I'll be ready to go towards drm and online only at some point.

[scientificreasoning]

LOL what a trash article...Where is the proof BC has any bearing on sales? PS4 keeps outselling x1...n one cares 3 years into a gen about playing older games on a new system.

[Professor_K]

Speak for your self. Old games are still great games and more>less

[MysticStrummer]

You're speaking for yourself just as much as he is, even if neither of you know it, but BC has been available with past consoles and it's never been a killer feature that catapulted a console to victory.

[Macdaddy71]

Are you are real true gamer??? You own a pa4???? You own a Xbox one??? You own a Wii U?? If you don't own at least two of the three you are Not a real gamer,.. Your just a fanboy if you own just one!!! I own All three..I buy every new system for the past 35yrs

[MysticStrummer]

"If you don't own at least two of the three you are Not a real gamer"

False. Owning every system ever made doesn't make you a real gamer. It means you own a bunch of systems. I'm sure many pro athletes, actors, and other celebrities who rarely actually play a game own every system, or at least two of the three.

[ShadowWolf712]

...or you have financial obligations or responsibilities and can only afford one of them.

Poor people can game too, broski.

[beans]

I'm just hoping TGS will change my perception of the PS4. Everything about it to me just screams half a_s. I admire Sony for there efforts and thank them for many things but feel currently they are in over there heads. Sales are great for them but it's going to take something else to help me understand what the hype is about. TGS with Morpheus will help but really I just don't get it. Surely there are Sony fans that feel the same way about X1.

[Keregan]

Good for Sony if PS4 is selling as fast but does this guy know that the Xbox one is still selling faster than the 360.

[mochachino]

I like what Spencer has done. If I didn't already buy a PS4 at launch I definitely would have considered an xone.

Probably still would have gone with PS4 though. None of my friends have xone so I'd pretty much have to get a PS4 to play online with them. Plus I hate how you can't upgrade the xone internal HD. Don't like how loud PS4 is though.

Also next gen, I suspect both will use AMD again so both will have bc likey with graphical improvements. This gen is critical. It will be hard to switch users again.

Xbox should aim to catch up or they may never will.

[alabtrosMyster]

MS has mostly good PR, a couple of exclusives in one quarter is not "total domination in therms of exclusives"..

Yes, some people miss the Sony exclusives, (I mean, I can't wait for Horizon, Uncharted 4, Santa Monica's next game... Even Rime and some others I can't think of right now) however, Halo, Gears, even Thomb Raider are not going to replace any of those... Scalebound or Crackdown 3 are not for me either... We may have Quantum Break left, but like Thomb Raider this will probably be another story based game that is not as good as the ones made by Naughty Dog, good enough for some to argue it's great, but not good enough to be "best of breed" (I didn't like Allan Wake).

[JeffGUNZ]

Uncharted, if that is what you are referring to is a beautiful game and a lot of fun, but it's laughable to think that's the best story based game you have played. Christ, even ND's own The Last of Us blows uncharted out of the water. Unchared has a story of a guy trying to treasure hunt, how is that the best story based game lol? Mass Effect blows it out of the water in terms of story telling.

[Bladeforce]

So many locked in Microbots here. Wouldnt surprise me if they've fallen for the DX12 BS too

[Mr_Luke]

Beating Sony isn't among his team goals. Have they already given up?

I'm not an Xbone fan, but i have to admit that Spencer did a great job, sadly he arrived too late. Well, not too late but they could have put him on the E3 stage instead of that idiotic Don Mattrik. Different people, different policies and all, maybe now it would be 50:50 or something like that between the Xbone and the PS4. Or not, who knows...
If a nice holidays line-up won't move many Xbones i don't know what will do it. DX12? Mh... i don't know. Backwards compatibility? Come on, poeple want to buy new consoles to play new games, not old ones. If i had 0 consoles, i wouldn't buy an Xbone to play the xb360 games. Same thing about the PS4, i wouldn't buy one to play the PS3 games. I would buy an xbo360/ps3 with MANY games for the same price of the new consoles (all of this if i had 0 consoles, i want to underline that). Nice feature? Yes. Game changer? Not at all. Feature that i NEED on a new console? Absolutely not.
- "Hey mom, can you buy me the new console?"
- "Why? You've already have one to play with!!"
- "But that's new... i want it!"
- "But then you have to buy more games and..."
- "No mom, i use my old ones!! =D"
- "...."

(i'm joking, a bit! Before some xbone fanboy eats me alive =P...)

[Smokingunz]

Bs article! Microsoft should exit the console buisness because the writer feels xbox one is behind the ps4 in sales? Come on now,how stupid is that? Did sony exit the console buisnesz when the ps3 have a bad start? No! They are different ways to describe success just as they're different ways to view failure.

The xbox is doing just fine. The x1 came a long way from where it started. First of they have a lot of games to play on the system and they are a bunch of exclisives coming that will not be on any other system,so that in itself is a success, getting as many games and exclusives in gamers hands.sure they are behind sony in sales and i would be surprise if they were out selling the ps4 because playstation has and always have a bigger fan base than xbox unless xbox does something different that will attract new and sony gamers like they did with the 360. Whether you all want to believe it or not a lot of sony fanboys had a 360 sitting up in their room playing their exclusives.yeah i said it,i know a lot of sony fans that are die hard gears of war fans that actually sold and or ehen and bought an xbox1 just to play that game

X1 will be alright in the coming years.

[alabtrosMyster]

I wonder where they got the idea that MS was glorious in the video game market, someone drank too much of the MS cool aid!

[ShadowWolf712]

Actually, they made some dang good PC games back in the day.