Naughty Dog & Bioware Devs React to Crackdown 3, Destruction Outpaces What Giant Dev PCs Can Compute

Reagent's Crackdown 3 has been making waves with Microsoft hyping up the potential of destruction in-game using the power of cloud computing.

[KingKionic]

I...i had to do a double take to see if what i read was correct.

"Crackdown 3 spectacularly showing how Microsoft should have pitched the 'always on' functionality so people could see the benefits."

https://twitter.com/GameAni...

Naughty Dog supporting Microsoft`s always online vision.

Talk about a turn of events....

Also for people acting like this can be done on ps4 or a high end pc

https://twitter.com/JohnNoo...

[gameseveryday]

Microsoft's vision about a "connected" gaming environment wasn't wrong. However the way they showcased it was ridiculous. Just slamming it on the face of the consumer was not going to work. They gave no justification besides "Buy and Xbox 360 if you want to be offline."

I think if they had showcased Crackdown 3 at E3 2013...things may have been much different now.

[TFJWM]

Crackdown still wouldn't have answered why the system would have to check in every 24 hours or would have to be online to play straight single player games

[Dewitt]

Mattrick was an idiot and they had a terrible mission statement and bring that forward. They should have designed their console like steam where you can stay offline, but once you buy a game it is registered to your account and they can verify it when you go online.

[ThePope]

The 24 hour check in was ONLY because you could install the entire game to the console and not use the disk. The check in was put in place so that a person couldn't just give the disk to a friend to play it too.

I loved the always online pitch because the idea of installing a game and putting the disk away appealed to me greatly. The issue is if you missed a check in the console wouldn't work. That's a very tough pill to swallow.

[xHeavYx]

Funny. Just one person from ND talking about always online and all of the sudden I read comments like "ND supports always online".

[Kingthrash360]

Lol how short the memory of some...If they would have showcased crackdown when they pitched the always online at us It still would have been the same results. ..because
24hr check in
No trading games
No used games
No borrowed games
Internet is a must to play sp games
...things that make the xbox one a brick if you don't have internet. Do you realize how many don't have the internet? Do you realize how unreliable Internet connection is? Smh I gotta ask my cousins if they have Internet so we can play xbox...Instead of just saying hey, i'mma bring my xbox.
Lol the amount of control ms tried to implement putting rules on games you bought with your own money would have fully tanked the xbox one. I don't think it would have hit wiiu numbers yet...or ever.
Remember games top was pulling the xbox off their shelves...i remember that. So no crackdown wouldn't have changed anything. Period. Crackdown still hasn't sold me. The destruction looks fun but if that's the selling point of crackdown down then I'm not gunna want it. I want it if it's sp is interesting... and fun..If it's mp is fun..for all we know the mp could be as bland as tomb raiders was so that's a game we need to wait and see about.

[4Sh0w]

Well there you have it...I have past post to prove I said this in the initial launch that always online would benefit our games, Ive said many times since that I wish Micro didnt listen to the backlash and change course.

I like how Naughty Dog comes straight out supporting this thinking after Crackdown demo.

Also for every gripe they had a sound explanation but people kept fear mongering the 24 hr check like it was a police lineup it was a damm few seconds to authenticate once per 24hrs, you could tether to a cell signal to do it and kinect is going to spy on you for the FBI or OMG DRM will be the end of gaming blah blah blah.

Next time Xbox fans need to research for themselves and speak out.

[Godmars290]

Offering it through a supposed "independent" system which required additional subscription fees, dictated when and where you could play it as well as how you bought, sold and lent media on it was very wrong.

Hell, and if they had showcased Crackdown in 2013, many people would be sitting on their XB0s into 2016 waiting for the one game to prove a concept, while saying "PS4 got no games" and not feeling the least hypocritical.

[christocolus]

@Rasheed

well said.

[donthate]

trash:

"No trading games
No used games
No borrowed games"

You could lend away, trade-away or give-away your digital games.

Now that we stifled that, what are you able to do with your digital games now after the majority of gamers has shifted to digital games only?

"Do you realize how many don't have the internet?"

Less than 7% of the US population do not have access to 4 Mbps internet. Check-in could happen on a dial up modem, and yes it is a hassle, but I don't think there are too many of gamers actually in that situation.

heavy:

I hope Naughty Dog is supportive of this, not only because they are a great studio (hopefully after some key members left), but I don't want others to fall behind the curve. This is awesome technology that I hope PS4 owners can also enjoy eventually.

ThePope:

I'm with you all the way on always on with all digital games. It is a tough pill to swallow, but the alternative is literally reduced rights across the board on any digital games with higher prices as it is with the status quo.

[Revolver_X_]

LOL @4show.

"I like how Naughty Dog comes straight out supporting this thinking after Crackdown demo."

Just one animator bro, one animator.

"Also for every gripe they had a sound explanation"

Really? I must have missed the sound explanation for locking out used games.

[Sevir]

Not really! Because the power of the cloud was just talk and ambiguity at that time, always online was and 24 hour verification and DRM was information that leaked out of E3... They talked about cloud power to handle F5's Drivatars and Titan Fall's Multiplayer, but also talked about restricting gamers from playing second hand games... That was the whole reason why they changed before launch. Even if they showed crackdown 3 at E3 that year the message of restricting players from playing their friends game or used games and 24 hour online verification was the problem... The draconic non friendly customer experience and DRM policy was what cursed them and over shadowed everything, that and $500.

Crackdown 3 showed the theoretical application of cloud compute it didn't validate their proposed DRM anti consumer policy they they wanted to enact for XB users and fans

[Kingthrash360]

Don.

Really. ..lol really?
First... digital games. Digital games were to be traded with a friend once...and in fact all xb1 games were to be digital in a way because you had to install the physical game..After installing the discussion became usless..or a demo or something. You couldn't resell it..gamestop knew this that's way they were pushing ps4 and pulling xb1. Also how's your fake solution solve anything? It takes a very long time to download games on xb1..so I bring a game to a friends house just to sit and download a game for 3hrs? Instead of just popping a game in the system and playing? Smh you are a true xbox
And the "Less than 7% of the US population do not have access to 4 Mbps internet. " has a few errors...
1. 7 percent is a ton of people..
2. having access don't mean everyone who has access to the internet has the internet.
3. Many people who have the internet don't have unlimited Internet so the whole process would be costly for them
4. The US isn't the center of the world..meaning xbox sells around the world and just putting up us percentages is irrelevant to the big picture here.
5. What would have happend on Christmas when both psn and xbl had major outages? I could still play my ps4 but my xbox would be a brick.

I can keep going...like what if i move? No xbox until I get my Internet transferred? Or what if I lose my job? Can't pay for Internet so I turn it off but when I do so I'm also bricking my 350-500$ xbox...etc. etc.

[Death]

"24hr check in
No trading games
No used games
No borrowed games
Internet is a must to play sp games"

You did need to connect once every 24 hours briefly to verify your game library. This was the trade off for ripping your games to the HDD and no longer needing disc based DRM to verify ownership.

You could trade games, but it had to be done at an authorized retailer that could unlock your game from your library to transfer ownership.

Those unlocked games were sold used.

You could absolutely borrow games. In fact you didn't even need to meet up with your friends to lend them out. You could allow friends to access and download any title in your library that you were not using. This goes back to the 24 hour check in and was one of the benefits of it.

You did not need to be online to play single player games on Xbox One, but you still needed to check in once every 24 hours to verify ownership. This could be accomplished over your cell if needed.

@Genuine,

Without an internet connection most of the games this gen would be coasters. I c ertainly miss being able to play straight from the disc or cart, but that doesn't change how gaming has evolved. Microsoft isn't alone on the connected front. PSNow, PSVue, and PSPlus are all connected services that aren't accessible without a constant connection. The vast majority of early adopters are technically savvy and stay connected. The amount of people that don't have access to the internet in some way is extremely small and chances are they aren't Xbox supporters anyway. Microsoft's original vision was not a world vision, but the majority of the world doesn't care anyway. Just look at worldwide sales today. The original plans were scrapped for a more friendly system. Who is buying Xbox consoles? Turns out it's still North America and the UK.

[Ezz2013]

@4Sh0w
*** I like how Naughty Dog comes straight out supporting this thinking after Crackdown demo. ***

Oh, for the love of god!!!
That's not ND...Just one person from ND.

and i don't agree one bit with what he said.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

@Rashid I agree.

"Now that you think about Microsoft should showcased such a demo when they revealed the Xbox One back in 2013. Unfortunately, it’s little too late for that."

That would of been worse imo. MS showing off something that wasn't ready until 2015 with a 2016 launch. Fabricating a CG demo in 2013 of what they want to happen in CC3 would only get MS more negative heat.

"I think if they had showcased Crackdown 3 at E3 2013...things may have been much different now."

Only part of your statement I disagree with.

Point is no matter what they could of, would of, should of done they still would of received negative backlash period.

[BeefCurtains]

I think we can all agree DRM was developed for a purpose with great advantages, but also had some ridiculous strings attached.

Hopefully, We can find a happy medium, because the cloud can clearly open up some amazing revolutionary gaming experiences. And Crackdown is just the very first pioneer of it, there will be so many more innovations once developers begin to grasp what it can do. (I purposely excluded Titanfall, because I, well, because...).

[Christopher]

Here's something to think about.

When this comes out and it's a glorious success, will MS be able to then sell to the market a console with a heavy focus on "always on" concept that it got flack for this generation?

If MS can prove the benefits of always online connection to enough of the market base, I think they will have plenty of ammo to go into next gen with the concepts they had attempted this generation.

[amazinglover]

The way they phrased everything was wrong but if people stopped and actually looked at what MS was doing it was very similar to what steam was already doing. If they hadn't fumbled their message we might of had a very steam like environment.

[Jayszen]

"Microsoft's vision about a "connected" gaming environment wasn't wrong" - what rubbish! Regardless of whether the cloud could benefit a game like Crackdown 3, the reason why Microsoft's original vision for the console was wholly rejected by the world was because of all the anti-consumer policies that were to be implemented: Severe restrictions on trading or borrowing games and used games as a whole, the 'check-in once in 24 hrs or the console will not work' and always online regardless of whether the game was single player or not. In addition, issues such as Don Mattrick and his 'those who do not have proper or acceptable internet connections always have the Xbox 360 to play on' or the emphasis on TV were also contrary to what gamers really wanted from Microsoft.

All this "100% destruction" in the multiplayer aspect of Crackdown 3 facilitated by the cloud does not necessarily mean entertaining and fun gameplay. Even if gameplay is fun those who do not have a suitable internet connection will be effectively penalized for no fault of theirs just because the more destructive aspects of the game are only possible with the cloud.

Yes, the power of the cloud is a useful tool in game making and playing provided it is accessible by all players and not just some of them.

[abstractel]

The destruction is nice and impressive for sure, but otherwise I personally think the game looks ... not that good. Get that destruction level into Quantum Break (which there might be, I don't know) and I'll get excited.

[jb227]

"Microsoft's vision about a "connected" gaming environment wasn't wrong."

Millions of gamers around the world would have disagreed w/ you last holiday when XBL & PSN were attacked as they all would've had shiny bricks for christmas w/ literally no way of playing any games on them. People keep talking about forcing us forward into the future but they never take into account the huge caveats that are as anti consumer as possible.

[4Sh0w]

@Revolver_X_
"Just one animator bro, one animator."

-Yeah I know, I should have said a ND dev but its no different than referring to 1 sony or microsoft exec as sony or ms, or 1 dev as 343 or Naughty Dog...I just assumed folks understood that.

"Really? I must have missed the sound explanation for locking out used games.

Here here you go, as you can see in the timeline they changed course several times trying to keep the need for online(the benefits require it) but due to some fear of losing used games even though it was there albeit in a limited form than traditional, in the end though they axed it.
http://www.examiner.com/art...
http://mashable.com/2013/06...
http://www.neowin.net/news/...

-I'm not saying it was perfect for everybody, but neither is the status quo as I am always online for like the past 5-6yrs and I keep or give my games in the past to my nephews, but the point is the benefits would have been great for most of us who have online access, admittedly the initial announcement was piss poor, but as things were being clarified in the weeks that followed it was evident that there was a tradeoff between pros and cons of always online, some just only focused on the negative with a totally closed minded skewed view. The attitude seems to be "well its always been this way so don't change anything", that's fine but some of us would welcome change for convenience and new gaming experience(in SP not just MP) vs saving a few dollars, ironically sharing digital games has the potential to save many people much more than used game sells, I know it has for me.

[GameNameFame]

@KionicWarlord222

The twitter question was can PC be so powerful enough that you dont need cloud...

Not whether PS4 or PC can use cloud.

Answer to that is yes and it already uses "cloud". They both have been for decades.

It is called dedicated server.

and here is Everquest Next that has world wide destruction.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Edit.

For people who tried to desperately defend somehow cloud is different from video above.

- bu bu but, that has destruction that disappears later.

Not true. It keep big chucks, but removes smaller ones. but game world last years... Crackdown 3 game last 10 min... Imagine having junk and debris for years.

-bu bu bu, its a house. Crackdown had skyscrapers.

Lol. and game got houses. mountains. you can make tunnels to boss. Bulldoze a mountain and so much more.

Seriously?

-bu bu bu, "cloudgine is only possible with Azure"

Uh. No its not. Cloudgine is a name of third party software and what it is a server compute.

Has been around for decade. It also has been used for physics.

There is nothing secret saucy about this. Anyone with dedicated servers can do this.

[freshslicepizza]

this is the kind of attention microsoft needs to capitalize on. even sony loyal fans are very very curious. this is a huge breakthrough for them after all this talk about the cloud.

microsoft failed in explaining the future of what the xbox one could accomplish by going in the direction they wanted to before the xbox one came out. what they should have done is still allow the system to play games offline without having to be connected every 24 hours. it was way too dramatic of a change going to what is kind of like steam where games are bought digitally as well and they didn't explain too well how retailers would handle used games.

even today a lot of people do not want games to be online only like the new need for speed. what they want is games like crackdown 3 that can do amazing things online but not be totally worthless if you can't connect.

[carcarias]

I don't understand why some people feel that MS backing down on 'always online' now means single player games can't make use of the cloud and that consumers are missing out on MS's 'vision' and it's their own fault.

You can have a single player online only game without the console itself needing to be online or checking in as MS wanted.

Look at Diablo 3, largely a single player game and always online.

Just make sure the buyer knows beforehand and if he doesn't like it he can play something else on his unrestricted Xbone, everyone's happy.

Making the console itself always online isn't necessary, just the game.

[kraenk12]

so what do you say abt the fact that still a majority of gamers don't have a functioning and reliable internet connection so the whole feature is limited to those who have?

[freshslicepizza]

@carcarias,
"I don't understand why some people feel that MS backing down on 'always online' now means single player games can't make use of the cloud and that consumers are missing out on MS's 'vision' and it's their own fault.
You can have a single player online only game without the console itself needing to be online or checking in as MS wanted.
Look at Diablo 3, largely a single player game and always online."

consumers don't want all of their games to have to be online only because if the connection goes down then what?

"Just make sure the buyer knows beforehand and if he doesn't like it he can play something else on his unrestricted Xbone, everyone's happy."

umm, no. not everyone is happy judging by the reaction when they announced it.

"Making the console itself always online isn't necessary, just the game."

which is where we are now. games like destiny require an online connection

@kraenk12
"so what do you say abt the fact that still a majority of gamers don't have a functioning and reliable internet connection so the whole feature is limited to those who have?"

the majority of people don't game. there are over 6 billion people, how many own a next gen console? the fact is netflix thrives and it requires a connection. steam is thriving and most if not all of its users are connected. you are online right now making this comment. destiny is one of the most popular games this generation so don't tell us who the majority is.

[jrshankill]

Really, I would like to meet the cavemen who don't have their xbox / ps4 always online.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Why is it halfway always online? Just the multiplayer is always online and just the multiplayer has "cloud" destruction.

Ppl are praising always online atm but It's halfway done.

Tbh i truly believe Naughty Dog or any other major developer could make a game like Crackdown 3 especially on the PS4 - a game with simplistic visuals that aren't taxing on the systems resources, non-realistic physics and simple animations, non-dynamic lighting, and large-scale destruction only for multiplayer.

I do not think it would be impossible to make this game on pc or PS4 without the cloud. It could absolutely be done imo just as titanfall could be made without the cloud on PC/PS4, titanfall 2 is coming to PS4.

This is my opinion but to me Crackdown 3 looks like a newer Red Faction Guerrilla, technically speaking i'm more impressed with Second Son, The Order 1886, Horizon, and Uncharted 4. The mp could be very fun though, i remember having a blast w/the destruction in Red Faction Guerrilla. The other 2 Crackdowns were fun little titles as well.

[DDOS-DelDaemonicOSes]

@TFJWM, maybe Crackdown by itself doesn't justify always online and DRM checks for concurrent use, though CrossTech and stream anywhere does explain why that is necessary... the ideas of those that reject "Ms" are always fLAMER.

Edit: I suppose I should explain about why I think it is needed for "stream anywhere"... because services such as PS Now are for casuals and game rental (and it doesn't require check-in because it uses much worse tech that forces it is ALWAYS_ONLINE 100% DRM GAME RENTAL!), and I think the future is streaming the games we OWN from Windows or consoles to other PCs or consoles. That, and other CrossTech, requires always online to verify concurrent use of licenses.

Those with fLAMER ideas, such as those who love "BS D"esign daemonic OS products, are BACKWARDS about what's bad.

[Azzanation]

@Rashid Sayed

That's why people should be smarter and think before they act. All marketing does is advertise and make it sound better then it is.

Its like buying a car at a car yard, and buying the exact same car with a hot lady laying on the bonnet, same car different view on it.

Never hate on something until you actually see it. I was disappointed when MS had to announce the 180 because of a bunch of cry babies using the excuse about gamers on Submarines not able to connect on the internet etc.

[SonofGod]

LOL. And don't forget the people who downplay the game by saying "what happens if you lose your connection while playing Crackdown?"

You might as well ask "what happens if you lose connection while playing Destiny?" Or "what happens if you lose connection while playing any online-based game?"

The same thing that happens with any online games duh.

[KingKionic]

After these naughty dog comments im sure the spin will get even crazier.

The fear of massive change Microsoft is bringing has them on the ropes.

No gamer being PC,XBOX,or NINTENDO should be trying to downplay crackdown 3.

We all should be praising it and amazed for the future.

[Ricegum]

@kionic

Look, I agreed with your comment at the top there, but this one is a little bit too over the top. Can we just wait and see if it's the real deal before going on about how amazing it is. Do you not stop and wonder, why is this being utilised for quite an unpopular game like Crackdown, surely Micorsoft would be using this in every Halo, Forza and Gears going. What about third party games, which make up 90% of games out there? How can they utilise this technology in them? Look the Crackdown videos were awesome, but being realistic I don't think much will change in the meantime, but it could have potential in the future at some point.

[Kingthrash360]

Praise what though? Destruction? In mp? I've been leveling houses in battlefield 4 for a couple years now while playing with 64 people on a massive almost open world map...so yeah praise what? The fully destructiveness of crackdown mp? Man The blindness of some of you guys is crazy. This is a unproven tech...period. it's something you wait to see not something you praise.
Remember alien's cm? We praised it.
Remember watchdogs?
Remember ryse?
Remember titanfall?
These are games we praised..and got let down.
So yeah lets wait and see.
you can destroy all buildings in crackdown...but is it fun? That's the real question. IS IT FUN? Is it stable? Will it be glitchy? ...smh
You don't know yet. So wait and see.

[UnHoly_One]

I wouldn't call Crackdown an "unpopular" game, just because it isn't a juggernaut like Halo or Gears.

The second game, which didn't have a Halo beta to pad it's sales, and was almost universally agreed to be not as good as the first game, still sold a million copies.

Saying "they should use it in Halo" sounds great until you really think about what that means.

For one, the potentially smaller number of users buying Crackdown could almost be viewed as a beta test for this technology. Think about it. They need to make sure they can run this with a few thousand concurrent games before they think about running on something as big as Halo.

The other thing is that if they did this in Halo, would it still be Halo? I don't doubt that they could make it fun, but the biggest part of any multiplayer shooter is the map design. If that map is leveled to the ground halfway through the match, would that still be a fun Halo match?

I'm not saying they couldn't do something with it in some modes, but the dedicated Halo fans probably don't want this in their multiplayer.

[UnHoly_One]

Kingthrash, give it a rest.

Battlefield destruction is not the same thing at all.

And I honestly don't remember anyone praising Ryse before launch, and very few people praising Titanfall.

Both good games, honestly, but they both got a ton of hate. Plus I'm not sure how any of those games relate to this at all.

Yes this technology is unproven and isn't out in the wild yet, but to just dismiss it as garbage seems just as short sighted as to assume it is going to be the most amazing thing ever. How about we wait and see for ourselves?

The thing is, it looks really cool. IF it works like they say it works, it will be spectacular.

Neither you are I can know how it will work at this point, but you are operating on the assumption that it is all a lie, just because you don't WANT it to be true, for whatever reason.

[Godmars290]

Any many of those people are just as happy with the always online requirement with those games.

Which is not at all.

@Kingthrash360:
Yeah, there's a difference between being excited for a game that's coming out, and praising it as something that will change the industry when its unproven.

[christocolus]

@Son

Well the tech is the best i've seen this gen and MS has finally proven the doubters and naysayers wrong.I hope they use this tech in future titles.

[Rookie_Monster]

@unreal1,

"why is this being utilised for quite an unpopular game like Crackdown, surely Micorsoft would be using this in every Halo, Forza and Gears."

Gears of War 4 beta included and will show Sera getting destroys piece by piece via Crackdown's cloud engine tech. Hint, hint..just like Halo 3 beta..perhaps. :D

[andibandit]

@kingtrash

wow You've been levelling houses i Battlefield...well houses and skyscrapers are problably the same thing in your world. Remember when the skyscraper falls over in Siege og Shanghai...ever wonder why it always falls in the exact same way....its prerendered

[Gazondaily]

Lol people going on full damage limitation mode.

Are people comparing this to the scripted Levolution in Battlefield? So much desperation that it's frankly kind of pathetic.

The tech itself is impressive and yeah lets wait and see but don't be a complete utter fanboy citing examples of other games in a DESPERATE bid to downplay this and then chuck in a 'lets wait and see' comment to try and pass off your sentiments as neutral.

The cloud tech is extremely impressive and I hope it works well when it launches. The haters on here will beg and pray it doesn't work as is so painfully obvious but at least have the balls to admit the tech is doing something unprecedented.

No more stupid examples of:

Siri
Red Faction
Uncharted 2
Battlefield 4

Use your brains...

[Christopher]

***Micorsoft would be using this in every Halo, Forza and Gears going. What about third party games, which make up 90% of games out there?***

First of all, Forza does use it with Drivatars. It's not on the level of Crackdown, but it's what makes sense for the game.

Second, and kinda hinted at the last bit there, just because you can do something doesn't mean it should be done for every game. People can throw RPG elements into every game out there, that doesn't mean that it should be done. Every FPS could have platforming gameplay, doesn't man it should be done. You use what makes sense, not just throw everything and the kitchen sink into it.

[DLConspiracy]

Yep. Not sure why people like to make it more complicated than it is.

Do we expect to see problems with this stuff. OF COURSE. Does that make this tech Invalid? Nope. I'm sure the first time the cloud goes down on the crackdown beta there will be 80 articles touting if it will even work. It's got to start somewhere and this tech isn't limited to ONLY xbox. It will be everywhere eventually. As long as the companies involved have the servers to make it happen. MS just seems to be fully invested in ways to make their servers appealing to gaming and elsewhere.

It will be on dedicated servers so we will probably see the same normal problems with dedicated with this sort of tech. Some people are overplaying the tech while others are setting up the ducks to say "SEE I TOLD YOU!" when it goes down ONE time.

[IRetrouk]

How does that link prove it cant be done on pcs or ps4s? Its just server farms. Any company with the resorces can do this lol, that does not mean it aint impresive, because it is but lets not pretend only the xbox one can do this sort of thing lol

[KingKionic]

There were people saying that ps4 and a pc can do this locally.
Which is complete nonsense.

But saying the ps4 can do this is like saying naughty dog can reach 60 fps in the single player of uncharted 4 on ps4 and match the quality of its reveal trailer.

Equally unlikely. Ive heard the most insane stuff lately from N4g,neogaf and youtube.

People are very scared that this gives xbox one strength and is bringing something massive to the gaming world.

[darksky]

What happens when the game is 2-3 years old? Do the servers stop computing for an old game thus effectively rending it useless?

Also it will of course be unplayable when your connection does go down sometimes like it does for any other online game..

[Volkama]

@Darksky If nobody is playing then there are no servers. If people are playing, servers spin up for them. That is what differentiates "cloud" from "dedicated servers".

There is very little to gain from removing support for the game if nobody is playing. Just some disc space on the host.

[TFJWM]

@BoundToScale Where does Cerny say its not possible? His quotes about were this unless you can find another interview.

"It’s possible to do computing in the Cloud, PlayStation 4 can do computing in the Cloud. We do something today: Matchmaking is done in the Cloud and it works very well. If we think about things that don’t work well… Trying to boost the quality of the graphics, that won’t work well in the Cloud."

He says the GRAPHICS can not be improved with it...Crackdown is not using it to improve the graphics

[Death]

Crackdown is using cloud compute to increase graphics. With the destruction happing in the cloud the devs don't need to use those resources locally. This gives them more available processing for the game. Anything you offload increases the amount of processing you can use for the game.

[Rookie_Monster]

@IRetrouk,

"How does that link prove it cant be done on pcs or ps4s? Its just server farms. Any company with the resorces can do this lol" 

Dude, Sony even charges PSN owners PSN plus to allow only 1gb of Cloud saves while MS gives virtually unlimited cloud saves to EVERY xbox user accounts even if they are not paying for Live Gold. That tells you all you need to know why Sony can't Do what MS do in terms of having the required servers and right kind of servers to make it happen unless they are willing to spend money to rent servers from MS or Google. Even that is just part of the equation.

The key is Sony don't have a PaaS Cloud infrastructure like Azure in their arsenal or the software expertise and experience to make that a reality. Even a genius like Mark Cerny thought it was impossible so that should tells you all you need to know of the playing level when it comes to software and online powess between the two companies. Plain and simple.

[TFJWM]

@Death umm no, So the graphics are going to be improved only in multiplayer when you are online? The graphics will be the same only thing different is the 100% destruction in MP

@Rookie_Monster Where does he ever say its impossible? He says it working well for cloud computing but not so well for graphics...

[Death]

@TFJW,

I think we can all agree any console can render any object at 1080p and 60fps. What is it that reduces both resolution and frame rate? I'll give you a hint, the more that is done on screen, the lower both of these become. Console have a limited amount of available resources. By offloading work to remote servers it frees up the amount of available resources on your console. If you are rendering the backgrounds remotely, what does that do for character models? It shouldn't be that difficult to understand how this works or what it can do.

[TFJWM]

@Death Ok, I thought we were talking about what crackdown is doing now...

That is the theory of what cloud computing will do in the future but can we see a game in the wild that uses the basics of it first...

Going from predicting the physics of explosions to rending the whole backround of a game on a cloud server in real time is a big step

[Rookie_Monster]

Exactly Death,

That was the point I was trying to make. by offloading resources to the cloud it offer more local resources to upgrade textures and fidelity to graphics. It is just that simple.

MArk cerny was referring to thing like Matchmaking when he was talking about cloud processing with the PS4

Mark cerny: "It’s possible to do computing in the Cloud, PlayStation 4 can do computing in the Cloud. We do something today: Matchmaking is done in the Cloud and it works very well."

Lol, Martch making with cloud processing is not even remotely on the same level as what Crackdown cloud computing have shown.

[IRetrouk]

Wow loads of spin in the replys lol, all i said was that it is possible on pc and ps4. Didnt say anything about sonys resorses or anything like that, and no matter what type of servers they need to run this its still just server farms, ofcourse you also need really smart software, but thats obvious enough not to have to mention it, also way to twist cernys words peps. Oh and bound,,, that really hurt my feelings you big brave computing genius 😘

[Sweep14]

@ boundtoscale: It's usually preferable to shut up when you don't know what's been said. Cerny talked about the un-efficiency of rendering graphics on the cloud. He didn't talk about physics computing on it.

[green]

@Kionic: I blame Microsoft for not giving us enough information about their vision or even showcasing it. But i also equally feel like a fool for taking to twitter to slam their vision.

My console is never not connected to the internet and has always been since 2007, so why was i scared of an always online future when i am always online?

The success of games like Destiny and Titanfall have proven that there a re a lot of players that will play an always online game. I hope Crackdown 3 is a success so that it gives Microsoft the confidence to be even more ambitious with cloud compute in the future titles. Cloud computing and not raw processing power is going to be the future of console gaming.

[Death]

Ultimately it was Microsofts job to sell the features and benefits of the console. They failed at that during the reveal. To a degree I believe they gave far too much credit to gamers in general. I'm still impressed at the amount of gamers that didn't know the Xbox One could play games. A lot of it was fud from the other camp that wanted to downplay features such as the One guide for TV and the exclusive deal with NFL network. By claiming the Xbox One was focused on TV they were able to persuade gamers to jump to the game focused PS4. The irony is PSVue was completely given a pass and that paid subscription service literally turns your PS4 into a cable box. Funny how that works.

[remixx116]

Damnit I thought your username was sonicwarlorrd 222, I was about to bub you up..........eh whatever here's a well said for the comment..

[t-hall785]

There is not a single day that I play my xbox and i'm not online. I keep my console on quick start settings so i'm even online (somewhat) when i'm not playing.

I bet i can say the same for all you keyboard warriors ON THE INTERNET complaining about always being online. I bet half of you don't even turn your computers off when you're done. The 24 hour check in meant nothing. Just a bunch of people who weren't buying the system anyway complaining.

And for people wanting destruction of a mass scale on single player, must have not played the original crackdown. That gameplay mechanic just won't work when a big part of the game is traversal to areas very high up on the tops of buildings. (agility orbs).

Anyway I enjoyed the first crackdown (didn't get it for the halo beta eiher). This one looks to pick up where the original left off. Kudos MS.

[Ashby_JC]

Loved C1...didnt much like C2 Demo.

Look forward to C3 and check out the MP

[t-hall785]

Me too @Ashby_JC even went back and played it again when they gave it away with GWG. C2 i ran from lmao.

[Ezz2013]

Soooo.... one guy from ND = every one at ND ?!

[AnotherGamer117]

Here is the statement from the article:

But the most interesting bit of reaction comes from Naughty Dog’s Jonathan Cooper, an animator for the upcoming Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End. He stated that, “Crackdown 3 spectacularly showing how Microsoft should have pitched the ‘always on’ functionality so people could see the benefits.”

Please explain to me how an animator's comments makes Naughty Dog, the entire company, all of a sudden support always online?

Am I missing something here?

[MRMagoo123]

No you aren't missing anything , it's just gaming bolt doing what they do.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

If you're saying a statement from someone at Naughty Dog is a "turn of events" and equates to the studio supporting Microsoft's vision, I think you're reading into it a little much. And what's the turn of events anyway?

[showtimefolks]

Always online was fine let's say but what about no trading your games or lending your games or used games at all

Come on if you think that's the future of gaming than that's the day I quit gaming

Give your consumer the option to choose and I believe 25.3 million pa4 compared to 13 million Xbox one is a statement in itself

Not to mention most big publishers siding with Sony for marketing.

Some of you who say always online was right are just nuts.

Sorry if I am offending anyone

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

How did you get a statement of support out of that...? The 'always on' thing was obviously for Microsoft and not the gamers from the very beginning. Here a dev recognizes a consumer benefit for always being online, and you think he is a supporter.

[medman]

@kionicwarlord222
Uhhh...you may want to slow your roll. I remember kinect being hyped through the roof. Fail. I remember Titanfall and the "cloud" being hyped through the roof. Moderate fail. I remember "drivatars" being hyped through the roof (and they still are). I would also consider the Forza claims dubious, at best. So I will personally take a wait and see approach to see how this works, how large the arenas for play are, how many combatants, how well it works, etc. etc. etc. Fool me once.......

[porkChop]

"Also for people acting like this can be done on ps4 or a high end pc"

It can. Cloud computation can be done with ANY internet connected device. That is a fact.

[subtenko]

A lot of internet enabled devices can do cloud computing, half of em just dont use that term..

And their big pcs can be out performed by a smaller one. It's all about specs and whats supported.

They are a game developer, why would anyone not wish them the best of luck. What where u expecting Naughtydog to say? lol.

Crackdown 3 looks interesting but it doesnt look like the most impressive game or feat of all time. I have just as much excited ment for it as I do for JC3 or Halo

[Majin-vegeta]

Lol I think you need to brush up on your reading comprehension.

In no way form or shape did he say that SMH!

[VerdicLinwe]

Then their "Giant Dev PC's" can't do much... trillions of throughput but this special "Streaming tech" can do more? Doubtful. From a Network Infrastructure perspective this whole thing stinks like dog crap. People are going to be infuriated when they get a look at their data bills if they have a provider with bandwidth caps.

[harrisk954]

"Naughty Dog" is not supporting MS's always online vision, as you stated. There was a single individual who is one of (likely dozens) of animators on UC4 who made the comment. Not ND and none of the "higher-ups" at ND.

Also, the Bioware guy, while being intrigued, had this to say:

"Bioware level/tech designer Jos Hendriks stated on Twitter that, 'Seeing Crackdown 3’s destruction makes me excited to see that game, but one question came to mind immediately surrounding that narrative.'

"He further followed it up by asking, 'What happens to games making use of any kind of cloud computing when that stuff goes offline, either temporary, or end of service?' This was answered by 343 Industries multiplayer designer Patrick Wren who basically said that it would be the same as any multiplayer game where the session would end and you’re taken offline. Hendriks further asked, 'Is it, though? I somehow got the impression that the destructible city bit stood apart from multiplayer.'"

People keep forgetting that this is an online-only thing at this point, but what happens when you go offline? Well, MS avoided the question:

"Fans have also been wondering how much destruction would be present in the single-player campaign along with whether multiplayer can be played alone. The response? 'Specifics about modes & player counts aren’t ready, but Crackdown has always celebrated the sandbox.'”

[Doodleburger]

And when the cloud fails in the middle of a session, you're screwed 7 times more than the power of the cloud.

[suckingeggs]

I see the words 'naughty dog' I immediately listen...

Interesting comment from such respected and talented devs... That Microsoft should have pitched this with their always on

Sorry ND for the first time I disagree... This still wouldn't have made sign-in every 24 hours or no buying or lending of second games enticing to me... And I wouldn't have bought my xb1 if so

And here We are still getting this cloud computing without those stupid restrictions because We let Microsoft know they would not get our money if they continued with their original vision... so Its a win win for us Xbox gamers :)

[BlackPanther]

Honestly I laugh now at the reveal not because of MS but because of the response by gamers. It was like everyone had a cabin or a submarine which is why they couldn't connect to the internet.

I'm glad they changed the policy as well but it was cray how everyone suddenly had these things.

[KingKionic]

Don Mattrick was confused about that nuclear sub comment for sure.

He was probably went home thinking "Nuclear sub? Im trying sell consoles to people who play Cod and Halo online what the hell are you guys smoking?"

[joeorc]

Its not that the idea is not Sound, but the blunt truth is...

This:

Microsoft looks at the game console market as if you do not have a strong internet connection well tough to you than. You cannot get the best we can offer you.

Both Nintendo and Sony look at as , Sorry about you not having a strong internet, but we are looking out for you by making sure you are with us also along the Way.

One company only really looks at this market in a very narrow way and only certain regions of the world wide market is really all we care about.

While both Nintendo and Sony look at this as we are catering to more gamers on a world wide scale than just only certain regions of the world.

All three companies are not wrong in how they approach the market, because what works for one company may not work for another in this market.

And its very clear that is the case. Again if cloud compute becomes the norm for Microsoft built games, than while that is fine it does show that Microsoft really only concentrate really only on strong connected network markets, again nothing wrong with that because it is Microsoft's strongest suit, but again that type of network structure is not everywhere.

That's why the #dealwithit, get a xbox360 was more about, your not catering to me, you really only care about who can connect to your network. Which was kinda the point in Microsoft's view if you do not have a strong internet connection than well there is still the xbox360 for you. Again what Microsoft showed off with crackdown is quite impressive, but again the message has not changed.

Its really we are showing off this new capability to only customers that have a strong internet connection.

[Volkama]

So.... people with a strong internet connection will be best served by Microsoft.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[joeorc]

@Volkama
So.... people with a strong internet connection will be best served by Microsoft.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Oh you me an like this

So.... people with a strong internet connection that have a Xbox one will be best served by Microsoft.

You for got to add in those with an Xbox one. Why would it it best be served with those consumers that

A) do not have a strong internet connection.

B) just has a Xbox 360 but does not have a strong internet connection.

C) does not have a real reliable network where they are @

[Volkama]

Nope, don't think I forgot anything. I have a decent internet connection, so I am just interested in which console will best take advantage of it.

Call me short-sighted, but when buying a console for myself I don't really consider what would be best if I lived in rural Zimbabwe.

[gangsta_red]

Funny, I read a lot of comments on here begging developers to take full advantage of a console and not to gimp games due to "weaker hardware".

Could we also apply that logic to people who have strong internet connections? And to not let devs gimp our games due to others who have weak connections?

"While both Nintendo and Sony look at this as we are catering to more gamers on a world wide scale than just only certain regions of the world."

So basically what you are saying is Sony and Nintendo are playing it safe and trying nothing new while MS pushes the tech forward by trying new and more interesting ideas that will benefit the development of games even further.

Your spin is hilarious, your defense even funnier.

Microsoft is trying to do something out the box. For that they should be commended not looked at as "catering" to a certain part of the world that only has strong internet connections.

Both Sony and MS cater to a strong internet crowd, and it shows with PSNow, Remote play, PS+ and anything else that only benefits consumers with an internet connection.

Time to put this spin away and maybe start being impressed with what you saw along with the other developers in the industry.

[Gazondaily]

@VOLKAMA-

"Call me short-sighted, but when buying a console for myself I don't really consider what would be best if I lived in rural Zimbabwe"

LMAO! + Falafel Bubs

http://www.dafont.com/forum...

[AnotherGamer117]

The "Naughty Dog" aspect of this article is one animator that works for ND. I think it is safe to assume that this one animator does not speak for the entire company.

This is one badly titled article.

[harrisk954]

It was not ND, but just one animator from ND.

[TLG1991]

I still think they where wrong to force it, but at the same time i still think they should be supporting that vision. but instead give people the option, show them this type of gameplay and say "if you want it to do this, you will need to be online because its running off our cloud computers. if you dont want to connect online then it simply wont do this." people can then choose and if they dont want to be always online they can play something else.

They don't seem to understand they can split there eggs into different baskets.

[TheGreatGamer]

The problem with that is that it practically means devs have to develop two games and with how expensive games are to develop nowadays, a lot of devs would opt for one or the other. For an always online console you have to go ahead with it fully or not at all. I still think the gaming community got pushed back with all the backlash Microsoft faced, always online consoles are the future.

[TLG1991]

Yes your right, devs would have had to essentially make 2 games or some big on off features. or they would just have focused on using as much power as possible. if microsoft said this from day one they might have had a lot more sales. and once the devs make stuff using the cloud its out of microsofts hands its up to the devs. the people can't argue with microsoft then. and it would have been much better than this what we have now where it will only get used for online multiplayer games.

[joeorc]

It is of course the future, but is it the future anytime real Soon? That answer is still a big fat No!

That's the problem, you just cannot say well were going to do this in the market and say, well if you do not have this tough for you and expect everyone to say hey our network is not as strong as the Us, Asia, or UK, or to be blunt as strong as this or that countries network and tell them tough, when you ate making products for what is a World wide Market.

The reason Microsoft gets a lot of flack is because they are a pretty introverted company, its nothing wrong with that, they are in the business to make money.

But on the same token, its thus very introverted attitude that has cost them market move adoption over the years.

Its not that the products they make are not good, its how they a are quite monopolistic on any and every market Microsoft branches into that, it makes it hard to make headway on a world wide scale after so many decades operating the company that way.

Again its not really the product's themselves, its more about how the company operates and how its seen in the public eye.

[Ashby_JC]

Me and a friend discussed this years back. The concept of actually showing the pluses to what they were trying to do.

The xbox one as it stands now is pretty boring if it isnt hooked up the the internet.

Everything that I myself do with it I need to be online. So its almost as if I have a online only console lol.

But i do feel they dropped the ball years back in how the system was presented. There should have been an option. And most I would think would be online with the system for the most part.

If you dont have a home with hi speed internet then some systems you just wont get the full bang for your buck and maybe shouldnt buy one.

One thing I dont like with some games...is that they dont work at all without the internet (NBA2K15 comes to mind)

[dcbronco]

The reality is they showed what they were doing in bits and pieces. All of teh cloud jokes are based on what they've said in the past. Always on was touted for the cloud and things like the family share feature. There is no doubt they could have been more eloquent in their explanation, but it was the fan boy hate that was allowed to rule the conversation. It was their fault for not silencing that or at least ignoring it and pushing forward with their vision of the future of gaming. This is an opportunity for them to reinsert sanity into the conversation on their vision. I hope they take advantage.

I will say the quiet calm of guys like Phil Spencer was a clear sign they new they would be in position to revisit this. I also think they might have just decided to wait until the entire Xbox One ecosystem was in place. They are still being so quiet in some respects. Things like Xbox One"s ability to play PC games and software, BC on Xbox One and the ability to play full VR games on Xbox. They are still being coy about the OS. The way BC works for 360 is the same way it would work to emulate many setups. Add that ability with the ability to make every Xbox a dev kit and Xbox Ones will be running all types of older programs.

It's just an extremely well designed machine and maybe they should have bragged a little more about what they had done. But I do understand they are changing the direction gaming was going so it's always nice to allow yourself a head start.

Also one of the patents Microsoft applied for a few years ago was about a GPU that wrote two different feeds to the same scene. If that is a part of what allows them to push that level of physics into a scene that is being written locally, it might require some major engineering to get this on other machines. Which would make it an upgrade that Sony couldn't easily do. Not without angering early adapters.

Ashby, most people are online the vast majority of the time. Always on was never more than a fan boy whine. There are games on both consoles that are always on and I've never seen a complaint.

[BigGamersSmallTalk]

Microsoft has always pushed the industry. First with only an Ethernet port, no dial up. Yet gamers cried and whined, thankfully there wasn't social media at the time. First HDD on a console, first with Achievments, first with Party Chat.
Had they fixed the 24 hour check in and been on the same page as a company, who knows?

[Ashunderfire86]

And first for DLC back then when it was a guilty pleasure to have. Now everybody is releasing them in season passes.

[Immorals]

I still have a few Halo 2 DLC discs lying around. Was great, 6 of my friends got the Content all from one disc :p

[Concertoine]

Indeed, MS' innovations are often overlooked in favor of some of the worse things they brought into this industry.

[dcbronco]

I think the best way I've heard Microsoft's situation explained was on the Anandtech podcast. Someone explained Microsoft is way too early for the party. They were one of the companies that pushed tablets. Remember project origami? Then they left it to others. Finally they are pushing tablets ahead again with Surface after Apple exploded the market. He listed a few more things that didn't become a thing until years later. Now that they are doing hardware that should change. Ten billion dollars in research should really push things ahead.

[MasterCornholio]

If a developer wants to create an online single player game to take advantage of the cloud they can do that.

A check in was never needed in the first place.

[Volkama]

They're definitely separate issues, yes. But it is likely that we'd get more online only single player games if the console required a connection. Supporting offline play just wouldn't be a consideration.

Crackdown has turned some heads though, maybe devs (and perhaps more importantly publishers) will perceive people are warming up to the idea. Online obviously favours publishers. They're just waiting on that watershed moment where it becomes acceptable.

[TheGreatGamer]

I wonder if genuine-user will try and downplay it some more after "Naughty Gods" as he calls them have even remarked on how impressive the crackdown 3 use of Microsoft's cloud tech is.

[gravv]

hopefully the groundbreaking cloud tech will help crackdown 3 gain a lot of high scores from critics because judging from previous games their metacritic score pretty underwhelming, and my ultra big flamethrower will be ready when the game about to release :*

i love a moment like this when xbox guys hyping their games like crazy, also quantum break situation feels the same when remedy showing alan wake and u guys said its uncharted 2 killer and the graphic is better than uncharted, when first few scores came out a lot of people went missing lol

ooh btw my flamethrowers name is Salty-Burns

[LifeInNZ]

Damn...I saw the Sony logo and thought you might actually have something useful to say. Unfortunately after reading what you posted thats 20 seconds of my life I'll never get back.

Just wondering but do you think any company would like to be associated with the drivel you come up with? The only thing you are successfully doing is tarnishing the Sony name.

Change your avartar or change your attitude.

Oh, by the way. Dont bother replying as you're now on my ignore list so I wont run the risk of wasting any more of my time in the future.

[BlackTar187]

wait how many people at ND commented? THe comment board sounds like everyone at ND said the same thing and people keep using ND devs as plural. I think it's only one.

[dcbronco]

When has that ever not been good enough to disprove something Sony fans wanted it to.

[maybelovehate]

Trying to remember the last time my consoles weren't connected to the internet.... I got nothing.

[FlexLuger]

Same here. I dont think I have had a an off line console since 2005, and that was my first Xbox, PS2 and gamecube. I remember when I first got XBL. tried a 1 month trial that came with PGR. Made my first online friends. Whoopped some ass online on PDZ and DOA. Then it expired. Thought nothing of it for the first few days, then realised I was starting to miss all the online stuff. And my first few XbL friends. Bought a year sub and have renewed it every year since 2006.

A console without a full suite of online features is only half a console in my books. Thats why I lean towards the xbox more. MS are not afraid to take full advantage of what an internet connection can bring to a console.

[BlackTar187]

i'll tell you when. I've brought my console to family vacations that either don't have stong enough connection or don't support it thru out the house. Not a big issue but it happens.

[FlexLuger]

"I've brought my console to family vacations that either don't have stong enough connection or don't support it thru out the house"

The only thing I would say to that is, if you have to bring a games console on vacation, you are not really enjoying your vacation. I would rather be getting toasted at a rum hut on the beach to some music with freinds, than sitting in a resort playing video games. I could do that back home. Live a little. ;)

[BlackTar187]

Wow Flex you're so awesome man. Wish i could live a little bit more like you man. You're the coolest person on the internet dude.

I bet my kid would also love to be getting toasted on a beach with friends unfortunate in the real world you don't take kids to a rum hut at 10pm at night when they are too young to be out that late or at a bar.

That said i don't take back anything i said i wish i was as cool and awesome as you and got to vacation at rum huts and just be super awesome all the time with no down time on vacations because the coolness in me doesn't let me hang out at the house after the kids go to sleep.

Maybe next time i'll just gather up everyone of age leave the 2yr old at the house and go get drunk at the rum hut. Maybe i'll see you there?

GFY

Just to point how stupid your comment was. How does playing video games on a vacation mean i'm not enjoying the vacation? What a stupid thing to say.
Doing something you enjoy doesn't change based on your location.

[FlexLuger]

@BlackTar187

LOL...wow...such a pointless rant. You almost sound bitter.Like you got a minger of a wife or something And your attempts at sarcasm are terrible. Im surprised you have a wife. you clearly dont have much of a sense of humour and you clearly cant leave your console at home on a vacation. I cant imagine her being happy with a man child who doesnt let go of his toys. You sure, YOU aint the kid in your family? I was just making friendly conversation and you end up having a period. Maybe you DO need to live a little more! lol

Or better yet...come talk to papa flex...I'll show you how to live. Strictly exotics over here, mate.

PS. life aint all about games. Maybe you should go spend time with your kids instead of blindly ranting at anybody on N4G that gives you bit of attention..matter of fact, if I was married with kids I wouldnt even have a gaming website account.How do you find time to spend with your kids when you are always on here ranting? Id be ashamed of my dad If he was arguing with 20-somethings on the net over gaming. Go take a seat man. I am embarresed for you...big man...You sound stupid right now. I was just having a laugh with you and you behave like a little hoe. What kind of grown man are you? lol

Ill be honest...You dont really come across as a grown man. Who brings there kids on vacay just to play games in the hotel? Thats some teenage BOY behaviour!lol

[FlexLuger]

@Pixelart

LOL, cry me a river..did something I said to the 'big man' hit a nerve with you? He is a big boy. He can speak for himself, or take it up with my inbox. Tell you what..Im off to keys in september..I will work out my non existent daddy issues at the bottom of a Blanchisseuse s/ ... lol

Wasnt bigging myself up btw..I simply suggested he goes and enjoys his life a bit more instead of telling people how to enjoy their consoles. And as usual the PSfan brigade shows up.

You can say whatever you like about me kiddo. It dont affect me even slightly. Im living my life. Go live yours instead of butting your beak into stuff that is none of your business. Makes you look stupid. Did you even read my comments? "Obnoxious douche"? Really..Im crying inside. That was a personal attack. I feel resentful towards you now. lol.
And yes...life aint all about games. You dont know me but you wanna make comemnt about how I live my life. You just sound as bitter as black tar, over there. Clearly hit a nerve with you guys.

@ShottyGibs

LOL...what is this? attack of the dupe accounts? get lost kiddo. Ok...Im a 12 year old...with a mortgage...and his own car...who flies out of the UK more times than you jerk off to japanese idols. Thanks for the lulz though. I love it when people talk as if they know me, over the internet.

[BlackTar187]

you sound like an idiot.

Here's a pointer when you make a stupid comment expect one back. " I was just making friendly conversation"

So you tell me what part of insulting a stranger on the internet do you define as "Friendly" you're an idiot. And you make no sense i guess we both no why you don't have a wife or a kid becasue the arrogance to you is probably suffocating.

Do you even understand what you type?

and i quote
"Wasnt bigging myself up btw..I simply suggested he goes and enjoys his life a bit more instead of telling people how to enjoy their consoles."

What part of my original comment was telling anyone how to enjoy their consoles? You sir have won the internet for stupid congrats.

If you were married you wouldn't have time for a gaming account? .

You were bigging yourself up and you continue to do it in all your comments following . Funny how hard it is for you to see how arrogant and condescending you are and then how hard it is for you to comprehend what you yourself say. You sound like a tool RT the people who talk the most about how awesome they are (you) usually live a sad and pathetic life. GL with getting married sounds like being married to you would be a competition in D8ck size every time you open your mouth.

I was just telling you that you need to live a little mate HOW COULD THAT BE TAKEN AS ANYTHING OTHER THEN FRIENDLY CONVO?

[ShottyGibs]

Then you're probably about 12 years old. Good one - for the older people... I'm sure they can remember

[mafia_pc]

I'm agree with this guy :

"Crackdown 3 spectacularly showing how Microsoft should have pitched the 'always on' functionality so people could see the benefits."

After seing Crackdown 3 cloud benefits, i dream MS pitch the "always on" again with more incredible cloud demo

[Ashby_JC]

Would it have really made a difference?

They showed the tech demo for destruction some time ago and people doubted it.

They JUST showed Crackdown 3 in action and people are STILL doubting it.

So imagine they showed it in 2013 people would claim BS just like they still are today.

[Sweep14]

The gamescom demo was done on a doctored environment using local servers and with 4 players only...People have reasons (and very serious ones) to doubt that this will work flawlessly with real world Internet's latency and bandwidth with hundred thousands of players.

[synistatha1]

Still see no point in getting a xbone sorry mods you'll probably put me on restriction again but oh well that's just my opinion I'll be good with my PlayStation for another gen

[andibandit]

I dont see where your comment has ANYTHING to do with the comments from Naughty Dog, Bioware or Crackdown 3....then i looked at your comment history...no explanation needed.

[synistatha1]

Obviously if I said I still see no point in getting one I am referring to crackdown but u couldn't put 2 & 2 together it's OK honest oversight by you

[andibandit]

No oversight mate, look at your own comment history...you have expressed 6 times or more(out of a total of 20 comments LOL),that you have no interest in Xbox One, yet you flock to Xbox related articles(to which, one would assume you have no interest), to tell everyone.

[stragomccloud]

This is not the way to go. What happens when then game's physics compute servers are shut down? We should not try going beyond what local technology is capable of doing.

[bananaboats]

Well that's just boring. How would be advance in gaming tech and bring new innovations to consoles and pc?

[stragomccloud]

Local means, software that is run directly by the hardware that displays it.

As opposed to a function performed over long distances by another computer.

I should of known better than to use technical terms here on n4g which is populated mostly by console gamers.

Depending on cloud computing can actually cause stagnation since hardware developers won't feel pressured to produce local processors that are powerful, cost effective, and small enough to be convenient.

[andibandit]

@stragomcloud

Does it really matter...as a consumer, are you not interested in getting the best possible experience out of your game?.

[CrowbaitBob]

"We should not try going beyond what local technology is capable of doing."

I take it you only play games locally.

This is a feature specific to the online multiplayer component of this game. Somehow people freak out about the internet connection required for the physics, yet seem to forget that you need internet to play multiplayer with or without this feature.

[cyclindk]

What I was thinking, in terms of server shut downs. They should have to GUARANTEE like five years support or something.

[Number_9]

*sigh* when was the last time MS shut down servers for a multiple player game for Xbox? Forza Motorsport 2 servers are still up and running!

If there is a company we can trust to keep us online and jamming years later it's Microsoft. Your worries are unwarranted.

[Yetter]

so I see this type of comment quite often when people are referring to MS cloud. There isn't a room full of servers somewhere that has a CRACKDOWN sticker slapped onto it that they will simply unplug someday. Crackdown is calling requests to the platform MS azure. As long as MS azure is up and running, the games that utilize it are going to work. If you check out Azures quarterly results you'll quickly realize that it isn't going anywhere for a very, very long time

[stragomccloud]

as a consumer, I do want the best possible experience out of my game; however, I want the best possible experience out of my game for all time. I don't want developers to start depending on cloud computing to run their physics rather than create more efficient ways of developing real-time locally run physics engines.

[Destiny1080]

i love destruction and its a very impressive demo but the game looks meh

its also looking like only a company as big as ms could afford to use this, {maybe im wrong} but i cant see indie devs being able to afford this

i think the future is in gpu compute

[Yetter]

So my issue with this is when you start asking your GPU to do CPU tasks are you not potentially giving up GPU power that could be used to render graphics/textures? I mean, computational tasks aren't free, right?

[blib]

I don't really want any games that require DRM. This leaves a grand total of 0 Xbone exclusives I'm interested in. Think I'll continue to save up for a decent PC and put linux on it. Thank you for making it easy for me MS.

[lastking95]

Rofl, should I tell him or ignore like the rest?

Blib....chances are you play games that have drm, that's all I'm gonna say.

[Xbonewone32015]

Thats ok.

The pc has more drm than the xbox ever will.

All your keystrokes, mouse movement, websites visited, games bought and played on steam, etc etc etc

Its all monitored by a million third party companies.

Enjoy xx

[Yetter]

you've never played a game that doesn't have DRM. Read your user agreement

[Scatpants]

I'm not too impressed by what I've seen so far. I don't really care that the buildings are destructible they haven't shown anything about how that destruction will somehow lead to good gameplay. If it plays like past Crackdown games I could honestly take it or leave it.

[Number_9]

Please leave it and then go away. You have already expressed your disinterest so there is no reason for you to stick around and spread your indifference except maybe to provoke those that are interested.

Game is not for you, we got it, thanks, bye.

[aerisbueller]

Everyone twisting the naughty dev's words around. He didn't say 'always online' would have been great. He said this would have been a good way to show it off as a feature. (as opposed to #dealwithit)

I love how the fanboys are watering at the mouth to defend all the bs that came with it now. As you can plainly see in Crackdown, 'always on' isn't necessarily to use the cloud. And for those pretending social media killed off the most wonderful thing that could have ever been, I'd advise you to remember when Lizard Squad took down the servers and imagine how cool an always online single player experience would have been then.

Mattrick and the gang screwing up so spectacularly the first year of Xbox One and the entire Xbox division getting shuffled and introspective is the best thing that ever happened to the Xbox brand and the Xbox One.

[Xbonewone32015]

I feel sorry for all those ps4 fanboys who right now have huge egg on their faces.

[Tedakin]

ND has acknowledged the cloud. There is no way for a Sony fanboy to deny it now. ;)

[MannGamer]

Damn MS objective is done. Having people talking about them and the cloud being on the good side of their fans and have them exited.

[Minute Man 721]

Cloud hype

[Izzy408]

PS Fanboy Bubble ^

[GranTurismoFan]

2years ago I would have never thought I'd want an xbox one, but now with all the great games MS has on the horizon its hard not to buy one, especially for a game as cool as this.

What a turn around, congrats MS. Guess I'm gonna have the best of both consoles this gen :)

[skeetys]

Is it bad that I think that Boom Blox destruction looked much better? (Offline too) And it was just on Wii. Sorry, not trying to hate, but the devs should delay the release a year or two more to get it looking better and more fun.

Although, Boom Blox was a Steven Spielberg game, so maybe it's not fair to compare them.

[Father__Merrin]

Can't wait for CD3 reviews I wonder what they make of multilayer destruction.

[urwifeminder]

Cool that Bioware are impressed know nothing about ND but its cool they know great tech when they see it.

[m2stech]

Its cloud is still being computed on PCs elsewhere. #pcmasterrace

[Yetter]

lol

[PistolsAtDawn]

Trust in ND.

If ND and Bioware come out like this, you KNOW it's the real deal.

[Sweep14]

It's one animator from a studio...Not their PR executive.

[Tedakin]

I think if MS wants to do this type of thing in single player they should, and let gamers just deal with the always online thing. I mean you can't play Titanfall or any other online only game without online. Why gimp a game due to this issue? Can't connect to the net for an hour, tough, can't play the game for an hour. You'll live.

[fulnattybrah]

The fanboys have to fall inline now

[masterfox]

Physics/Destructibility has been always impressive, but please don't bring this BS as if it was something new, PC always have pursuing this more then a decade ago, in 2008 we got games that has destructibility already on a PS3 and 360(Red Faction for example), 2006 Crysis you can practically destroy a whole town in game no BS cloud whatsoever. the thing is MS wants as always to have control over stuff,MS: oh look we can do gazillions of physics on the Cloud! to get this you need to be always connected<-- see what I mean oh look driveatars the power of the cloud!! ughhhh

How many tech demos videos of physics destroying things are out there ?? thousands oh those are years old!! and all of them running on just GPU or multple GPUS, hell look the PS3 tech demos for example.

The thing is that todays GPUs are more than capable of doing extraordinary things visually, but in language programming there is always the factor how well optimized your code is, the PS4 technically struck me with Killzone Shadow Fall this damn game right of the bat had CGI realtime gameplay moments this on day one of the PS4, then Infamous SS, then Driveclub, technically is freaking amazing what PS4 at this point its architecture has accomplished, don't be surprised at the end of this console cycle will have a look alike Avatar realtime world with dinamic environment.

Knowledge is power guys and girls, don't be so easily impressed with more than a decade old tech and the word cloud was megaupload lol.(some will only understand this megaupload reference hehehe)

[andibandit]

"Physics/Destructibility has been always impressive, but please don't bring this BS as if it was something new"

Destruction isn't new but we havent really had it available on this scale before.

Red Faction didn't let you destroy the biggest buildings.

Crysis...havent played it, but I dont expect there were any skyscrapers on that remote island.

[A LIVING LEGEND]

Totally stoked and behind this if it works.
People are damn excited and rightfully so

[ilikepizza]

It's amazing how kingthrasher360 has so many bubble and has no idea what he's talking about lol.

You could trade games in.
You could share games with friends.
You could also gift a game.

Always on didn't mean online 24/7 it meant once every 24 hrs there would be a ping to verify you own your game and you didn't just download it and pass it along.

The ping was around 3 mbs Microsoft said. Obviously they failed on clearing things up because to this day people still are spamming misinformation.

I went back to crackdown 1 a few days ago,still fun. Maybe I'll find all the orbs :D

[hobbitooo]

i still dont get what is the big deal over this game...
graphics look last gen...

i think just cause 3 is way better than crackdown3

[kstuffs]

CD3 isn't about graphics because it's cel-shaded whereas JC3 is more photorealistic. They are different methods of graphics. The alure of CD3 is of course the 100% destruction in MP mode where things damaged stay persistent (i.e. don't disappear).

[IamTylerDurden1]

So bc CD3 is cel shaded then Graphics don't matter? LOL. Funny joke.

Cel shading is often used to cover up bad graphics, think the new Tony Hawk PS5. The fact is that CD3 has last gen graphics and i personally would prefer beautiful next gen graphics with normal multiplayer destruction instead of crazy multiplayer destruction with bad graphics throughout the entire game.

Second Son showed how u can make a gorgeous game in a comic-like sandbox style game. Battleborn is cel shaded but very pretty.

JC3 is a similar game but with more impressive graphics and physics. JC3 has impressive destruction, maybe not as impressive as CD3's mp destruction, but JC3 does it throughout the entire game. JC3 also features a massive openworld, far bigger than Crackdown's.

To me Just Cause 3 is a more impressive game than Crackdown 3, yet Crackdown is getting 10x the exposure, particularly on N4G. I think CD3 will be fun and i would play it if it were on sale, but the amount of exposure it's getting is ridiculous, especially when u have great games like Galak-Z tyat go by unoticed.

[VerdicLinwe]

This whole thing smells bad. I'm sure as hell not buying an XBOX One now - I still live in a place that puts Fiber and Cable connections on a bandwidth cap. If this "Streaming Tech" is doing all this heavy lifting better than a gaming rig... *scoffs* considering they can push gigs of throughput... well let's just say so will your data connection. People with caps are gonna have a cow when they see their overages.

[kstuffs]

LOL this is for MP only and the data requirements is even less than Sony's streaming PS Now service l. This game is streaming only the computed physics binary data (i.e. small chunks of data) that is then rendered locally on the XB1. This thing is no worst than streaming an ENTIRE game with full graphics and sound with Sony's Gaikai game streaming. How's your data cap downloading GB of patches and updates?

[VerdicLinwe]

Regurgitated terms like "Binary Data". Tell you what, start Wiresharking all that data and get back to me on that.

[IamTylerDurden1]

I'm baffled by how much hype this game is getting. Massive destruction was a hot new gameplay mechanic back in 2008, Battlefield Bad Company had massive destruction throughout the whole game, so did Red Faction Guerrilla, Red Faction Armageddon as well. Crackdown is perhaps the next logical evolution, perhaps.

Who cares how much destruction a game has (only in mp) i'm more concerned with how good the game is, how well the other aspects are made.

I saw a lot of impressive destruction in mp, but i saw a lot of areas lacking in technical proficiency as well. The straight up graphics were not impressive, even though they tried to play off certain CG sequences as "gameplay" u could tell what was legit. The character animations were not fluid or well conceived, the players feet didn't seem to match his movement and it led to a PS2 like floating effect - like his feet weren't touching the ground properly and he was sliding.

I'm worried that ppl are overlooking the rest of the game in favor of impressive multiplayer destruction. Will it have a story? While fun, the prior 2 Crackdowns had zero story. If Crackdown looked like Second Son and was just as smooth with the level of destruction the mp has, but throughout the entire game, then i would be amazed.

[CantBeStopped]

Others can buy into the hype if they want but I'll temper expectations until we see something a little more proving then a tech demo running in a controlled environment. Also the fact that the destruction is all "significantly scaled down" in single player is pretty disappointing.

[Gwiz]

Always online is justified when it adds more physical destruction,i really like the irony in that sentence.It's almost jedi mind tricks.

[sovkhan]

Nothing!!! and surely not something as futile as physical destruction, at least for me, can justify the always online CRAP!!!

Seems to me that some people are ready to spew whatever, to forget Ms policies disaster and go as far as trying to make it look even good!!!

Some are eager to forget, majority of us, it seems, don't.

[Chris12]

What are you talking about? This is the multiplayer part of the game,the single player campaign is offline. No different to COD or any other shooter with an online element.

Unless you plan to now campaign against all online games your tin foil response is nonsense FUD.

[sovkhan]

I was answering the folks that turn this all destruction online for an alibi to the always online policies...

That's the point!!!

[Chris12]

Nobody is doing that except people like you spreading FUD. There is a big difference between an online game and an always online policy. There is no confusion between the two and not once has this been a suggested outcome of this type of technology.

Seems to many people have an agenda twisting one into another.

[peshkavusCA]

Sorry for being slow but does this mean I have to subscribe to live Gold to experience the mass destructions in Crackdown 3?

[FreddyFazbear]

So Excellent Destruction physics is the new "Hot Thing now"?? I can Imagine the next headline - "Xbone is now better than PS4 and would overtake sales worldwide"

[urwifeminder]

I don't get why its making people upset they should be happy games are advancing, but it certainly is fun reading.

[Max-Zorin]

The other members of ND probably think the XB1 is trash just as much as their fans do.