Metal Gear Solid 5: Snake Can't Swim, Story Mode Is Longer, FOB Needs PS Plus And Xbox Live Gold

Konami reveals new details for The Phantom Pain.

[Eamon]

Are you serious? FOB needs PS Plus?

Even Watch_Dogs had part of its multiplayer free. You can get invaded by other players as long as you had a PSN account and internet connection. Invading other games required a subscription.

This feature is supposed to be enhancing the single player experience with an online element. I understand if the competitive multiplayer i.e. Metal Gear Online requires a subscription, but not FOB.

[XBLSkull]

I think maybe FOB and mother base are two different entities, maybe you are confusing them? I could be wrong.

[breakpad]

No swimming is a big con for the game ...as an all terrain special-forces operator i would expect to include water environments (where he could submerge)...why KojimaPro doesnt include swimming in the latest games ?? (the character just goes FPS in water in MGS 3-4-) In MGS2 they made excellent job with the sink Platform level...it was challenging -nice visuals and fun

[morganfell]

There were not many areas in MGS4 where you could swim, but the feature was there and it worked very well. If this is also true for MP then that is a huge loss. Even older titles like SOCOM had swimming, and surfacing from underwater to take guys out was so much fun. Quite different from the BF take on waterborne ops.

[breakpad]

@morganfell ..ohh immortal MGO2 :( ...that game was just electronic coke .. hundreds hours in it

[TheLordOfStuff]

the FOB isn't mother base, it's the 1v1 stealth MP base section

[Ahytys]

It's still a mode where two players can interact "face to face": that requires pretty good servers, and I'm quite sure Konami doesn't want to put any more money on this game than it already did, buying servers for that mode, that's probably why they'll use ps+/xbl servers instead

[just_looken]

Also you can have it offline there for the need for psplus is not there.

[Eamon]

@ XBLSkull and TheLordOfStuff
FOB and Mother Base are technically the same. When you expand Mother Base to a certain level, you have to create new bases and those can get invaded online. FOB is still available offline but of course without the invasions.

@ Ahytys
That's probably true. Considering how bollocks Konami has become lately, I can't see them spending money on a single server. The whole MGS5 budget issue was why Kojima is getting kicked from the company.

@ just_looken
Yeah you can, but the whole online invasion aspect to it looked amazing and is pretty much the whole point of FOB in the first place. Personally, I was looking forward to this more than Metal Gear Online.

[Christopher]

***FOB and Mother Base are technically the same. When you expand Mother Base to a certain level, you have to create new bases and those can get invaded online. FOB is still available offline but of course without the invasions. ***

This is not true. Mother Base can be expanded regardless of FOB. FOB is purely optional and can result in obtaining resources from other players while expanding in a different way other than MB. FOB offers no form of research or upgrading, just resource gathering.

Mother Base can grow to the sizes they mention in the video, meaning you'd need to drive/fly to one point or another. FOB is completely outside of that.

You don't need FOBs to resource gather, but it helps. But, it does mean you can get invaded and you will need to invade others to increase said resources. And, what is on FOB is not on MB and vice versa.

[AlphaKennyOne]

This article makes me so glad I switched to PC.

[ault01]

Who doesn't have PS Plus? If you don't you are not truely utilizing the potential of ps4. And don't tell me some people can't afford it. It's only 4.17 a month providing you purchase the 12 month subscription. Learn how to budget properly and don't bitch about functionality of a game that requires PS Plus. In my opinion every game should require plus simply because of updates.

[Eamon]

Loads of people don't have it. Probably because they don't play online too often like me. If I really want to get play a game online, I usually get it on PC, like GTA5. This is now making me reconsider cancelling my preorder for PS4.

Your point about budget is moot. Nobody is talking about affording it or not.

[OB1Biker]

Im guessing..... if people dont have PS+ they are not specially keen on playing online anyway.
So... I dont really see where the problem is if they need PS+ to play online pvp for this game honestly. Well I think PS+ is well worth it for the free games alone anyway so that s my point of view.
Im a bit disappointed if he cant swim though

[Irishguy95]

Ya just gotta buy it for the month you wanna play do MGS5 on. Its a bitch but its the only option hah

[Hold_It]

People like you are the reason PS+ is garbage.

[smashman98]

And are you seriously complaining about an online feature needing a sub. It was made clear before this gen started and just because some devs allow doesn't mean all will. On the other hand there's always pc if subs are too dumb for you

[showtimefolks]

sorry for asking a noon question but does one have to play to play FOB even if I am a single player gamer?

requiring a psn or Xbox live shouldn't be a deal breaker , look if you are a core game most likely you have it already. and it's not like this is the first game to require either to play online

[smashman98]

nope its a totally ignorable feature although you can play that fob in single player minus the invasions so its still probably worth checking out

[One-Shot]

I donno why you wouldn't have ps+ anyway.

[Eamon]

It may come across to you as hard to believe, but some of us don't have the time to play a lot of videogames or only have interest in 1-2 games with multiplayers. So paying PS+ doesn't seem worth it.

[Clown_Syndr0me]

He can't swim? Hopefully he just doesn't enter water...I don't want to just drown like the Vice City days.
Whenever I see games with Micro transactions I'm tempted to wait until theyre in the bargain bin so I don't have to pay more than the retail price to experience the game properly.

[nX]

I'm pretty sure you can experience MGS5 properly on launch day as well, it's still a Kojima game.

[ryuuzakibjorn]

@NinjaMime - Oh Hi, Konami.

[Summons75]

I can't take it! I can't take the wait anymore!!!! This so far looks like it has GOTY locked, though it's still anyones game with Fallout 4 also coming this year.

[nowitzki2004]

And also Witcher 3 will be hard to dethrone from that spot.. Great gaming year.

[lex-1020]

I think Witcher 3 has it for RPG but not overall given everyone's problems with framerates and patches=

[nowitzki2004]

@lex

I game on PC so dont have FPS problems, and I liked the patching of Witcher 3. It was all fixed really quickly. Thats gaming today, I wont be surprised if MGSV needs has problems and I guarantee it will need patching prob day 1, and you can almost certainly expect it from Fallout 4.

If you look at it like that then Bloodborne is GOTY because so far out of the major releases its the one that had the least problems.

[Summons75]

I loved the Witcher 3 but it's definitely not overall GOTY, maybe it has a shot at securing RPG GOTY.

[FrostXVenom]

Its gonna be awesome,but cant be GOTY winner as there are many strong contenders like Witcher 3,Fallout 4,Batman AK.

[TheLordOfStuff]

Personally I would say the 2 real contenders for GOTY would be MGSV and Fallout 4

[Cernunnos]

And Witcher 3 for sure.

[Get_A_Job_Foxtrot]

If witcher 3 isn't on your list, then you have not played w3 significantly. I hate most WRPG's, but that game is awesome.

[SlightlyRetarted]

Bloodborne guys, fricking Bloodborne.

[Jerry Seinfeld]

@SlightlyRetarted

I loved Bloodborne, but it felt like it was missing a lot of content and didn't have the same staying power of the other souls games. I have personally spent 500-700 hours on each souls game, but became bored after 300 hours in BB. Great game, but I feel the Witcher can give it a run for its money. And I am hoping that MGSV will take the lead by a mile. I am a huge MGS fan!

[HiddenMission]

The witcher 3 mechanics are garbage...I spent 20 hours on it and they never improved. Sexy game with great story but shitty controls.

Batman has good controls, sexy graphics and strong story. The weakest part is there are no real boss fights...felt like big step back for the series in my opinion.

Fallout 4 and MGSV are the only GOTY contenders in my opinion. Ground Zeroes gave us a taste and was amazing so with everything else shown for MGSV it will be close.

Knowing western press they'll give GOTY to fallout 4 no matter if it has issues...just look back to Skyrim.

My personal opinion quality with qty is more important than sheer buggy volume. Every Todd Howard games is riddled with bugs but western press don't care because of all the stuff you can do even though very rarely are those experiences fully polished/refined.

Kojima on the other hand really cares about quality of build.

[WellyUK]

2 games you haven't played are contenders? at the moment they are nothing but potential they could both be crap...

[nowitzki2004]

Do you see the variety of enemies/bosses in Witcher 3? Im used to the controls and they work amazing for me.

"I spent 20 hours on it and they never improved"
Maybe you are the problem? Dont see how controls will improve as you play, you are supposed to improve.

[lex-1020]

You do realize western press like IGN gave Portal 2 GOTY over Skyrim right, and Spike TV gave Bioshock GOTY over MGS4.

[FrostXVenom]

What the witcher 3 garbage,what do you expect from a Role Playing Game,combat like bloodorne or DMC.They have improved much from its predecessors.

[Bathyj]

The Simpson's cliche #14) Can’t Swim – “Don’t you know that you never learn to swim until the sequel.

DOH !!

[theshredded]

what does fob stand for?

[AmkOwns]

Full of bitches

[SaveFerris]

Fresh Off the Boat

[roland82]

In military terms fob stands for forward operating base.

[ritchi45]

Forward Operating Base

[Me-Time]

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boa...

[ThanatosDMC]

Forward Operating Base.

[pcz]

funny old bastard

[smashman98]

Filthy old bananna

[GrumpyOla]

In shipping terms it means Free On Board

[Sevchenko211]

Forward Operating Base. :)

[Jerry Seinfeld]

Wrong reply..... >.>

[flyingwombat33]

No swimming is a bit of a bummer considering you could in every other MGS except 1, but I'm sure it will be properly designed to account for that, but I was hoping you could sneak into certain bases by swimming through the sewage intake or something. It'd be more direct but then you'd smell bad so enemies would investigate or something lol.

[Lukejrl]

Metal arms don't float

[Sunny_D]

Holy shit that makes sense actually. Maybe Kojima is really good at being consistent.

[Clown_Syndr0me]

Metal boats float.

[Lukejrl]

@clown

Boats are engineered to float by balancing mass, buoyancy, and load mass. Toss a Philips screw into water and it sinks to the bottom.

The metal arm could not have enough buoyancy to float compared to big boss' body's buoyancy. Big Boss would get tired very easily.

[flyingwombat33]

Put a large pocket of oxygen in there and voila, it floats. How do you think subs can float?

I'm still super stocked for the game, but there's no clear narrative reason he can't swim (at least not one that couldn't be bypassed).

[mastemikegee]

Finally someone said it.

I predicted all along that you wouldn't swim due to the arm.

Makes sense and Kojima probably took that into consideration.
Also consider the weapons' weight you are carrying. This is meant to be the most realistic MGS. Even if he over-looked that, given that this is one of the biggest and Kojima wants to make it the best, I'm sure implementing swimming wouldn't be done just so you can simply swim. He'd go all the way and make side missions, gear and weapons, gameplay mechanics, sea life, maybe even boats! All in making swimming as important and fun as everything else. This would also mean more work and later release date too.

MGO however features your own custom character (without bionic arm) so online maps containing swimming areas (as shortcuts without any other major things like mentioned above) is still a possibility.

Time will tell...

[pcz]

he could wear armbands, there is no excuse

[smashman98]

lol im imagining big bass with water wings super adorable

[Lukejrl]

Floaties would work if designed yes. But there would still be questions water in joints as wells as pressure of how many feet before the technology starts to behave incorrectly.

For the record it could be just that they did not have time/care to worry about the water. The metal arm theory was my take on it

[flyingwombat33]

I'll say it again since none of you guys saw or responded to my second post: OXYGEN. If there is oxygen in the arm, it can float. It really is that simple. My point being: the excuse that the arm is metal and thus he would sink is an idiotic excuse. I'm not saying the game won't be amazing and that this ruins it by any means or that they should have made it happen for sure, but to suggest that him not swimming is based on some auteuristic consistency is ridiculous. Like I said, I'm super stoked for the game, but you're all being silly to pretend there's some airtight reasoning behind it.

[EazyC]

How can this AND Fallout 4 be out in the same year? Surely this should cause some serious universal-implodica.

[scark92]

Imagine what the future holds for this generation.

III (<-- What could that mean O_o)

[lex-1020]

III definitely doesn't mean anything to Valve.

[nevin1]

In past games you could swim.

lol PS4/360/Xone have to have subscriptions to play online?

[MillerLagos98]

Goty????
To many games came out this year to have aGoty

[gamerben]

snake may be hardened soldier but still afraid of wa wa

[General Shrooms]

Or you can just get the PC version

[scark92]

Sad that you cannot swim, but I am more than happy with the amount of stuff you could do regardless.

[Artemidorus]

Thank God I didn't bother with this game.

[chrono1205]

Can't wait.

[UNKLE]

!
!!!!!!!!!!
ITS CONFIRMED ITS NOT BIGBOSS ITS GREY FOX!! big boss can swim while grey fox is cant!!

[PhoenixUp]

Good thing online multiplayer is free on PS3 and PC

[Stringerbell]

Yeah while I was all gun ho on buying this for the PS4 - seeing the requirements for it - I'm good with my PC. Plus I'll use my PS4 controller to play it. No downside whatsoever.

[titans9999]

I for one will NOT be getting PS Plust until I absolutely HAVE to.......I really couldn't give two craps about on line multiplayer especially if there is no single payer....no single player off line, no buy for me...period!

[InTheZoneAC]

I think you're something like 5 or 6 years late on what PS+ is or has been for most of it's life...

[theshredded]

there's an easy exploit to get unlimited ps plus if gamers were smart enough

[kingPoS]

Welp! I'll just to get this on PS3 instead.

Gateway MT6706 2008

[starforge71]

can these invasions be turned off if i want to not be invaded??

[MasterCheifGrewT1ts]

Yes they can be turned off.

[soul-assassin-]

No complaints from me...everything sounds good, looking forward to it .

[ajax17]

What is FOB?

[ThePain1]

This is not a big deal ... i'd say that at 90% of people getting MGS have xbox or psn online membership, If you are not a subscriber of PS+ or Xbox live, you need to pay for that shit quick because Metal gear Online is gonna be sick.

[Jerry Seinfeld]

I will see you on the battlefeild. I'll be the one throwing colored smoke nades and stabbing people.

Codename: Laughing Stoner

[MasterD919]

Hopefully, there isn't much water to cross in the first place. We've seen the desert and Jungle, so it didn't look like this would be a huge issue.

This was a given considering how in Ground Zeroes it was the case too, you couldn't jump in and swim into the water. However, a game like RDR didn't allow for swimming either and turned out to be a hell of a game. It's just surprising to see that games still pull this can't swim stuff in 2015.

[flyingwombat33]

I think it's just a matter of resource allocation. I am a little bummed there's no swimming. I loved swimming around levels in mgs3, and I was hoping it would be one of the tools you could use to sneak about in V. But this game does look like it a packed with awesome shit, so not a big deal.

[Ozmoses]

How is this news???

It's been common place since PS4 and Xbox One came out that you need PS+ or Xbox Live to access online capabilities...

stupid questions - uh, can I play through the story and not be bothered by the FOB stuff????

it's called log out if you don't wanna play online

[0to100]

wow, even at the start of the mgs demo on PS1 you could swim...

[urwifeminder]

They should have made the mother base with a moat no chance he would get close , water wings flotation DLC incoming.

[Rhythmattic]

Doesn't make any difference to me personally...

From my perspective I subbed to PS+ on the PS3 for the freely playable downloadable games and discounts as Plus wasn't required for online...

And these days its even more of a bonus owning multiple PS consoles....

[bradleejones]

Right, with ps4, 3, and vita, PS+ is a damn steal. My son digs "free game day"!

[CantBeStopped]

I remember when everybody freaked out cause you couldn't swim in inFAMOUS, looks like this one gets a pass though.

[llMurcielagoll]

Hmm.. I do not like it that they took away swimming in MGSV. Bad design decision.

A legendary one man army who can stealth, can go rambo mode but cannot swim?? Bad idea. Will find out from the game design when the full game is out whether if it wont matter much or is it going to be a pain to deal with.

[solidboss07]

Big boss can climb.... should have built Motherbase in a tree or something. Was hoping I could hang over the edges of my Rigs and jump into the water, and then await helicopter rescue.