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Could Mouse and Keyboard Support Change Console Gaming Forever?

Nick from GamersFTW writes:

"PC gamers across the globe have been slamming console gamers for years on almost all things gaming, from the superior hardware to the massive Steam sales console gamers have heard it all. Finally however, the tide might just turn into a more even running than it has been these past few years. To everyone’s surprise, the PlayStation 4 has had mouse and keyboard support since launch albeit with just a handful of apps to support the feature. Xbox One is also getting the feature in the coming months with Windows 10 support, which could mean console gamers will finally be able to use the superior controls that the mouse and keyboard bring. However, there are a few problems with the option of M and K, that are yet to be resolved. In this article I am going to go through a few concerns that I have with the support of these new controls, and finally explain why Mouse and Keyboard gaming have an almost zero percent chance of catching on with console gamers."

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Majin-vegeta3195d ago

*If mouse and keyboard support comes along on a game such as Call of Duty or Halo, then the controller users can kiss any chance they had at winning goodbye.

Sorry no it wont.You're only as good as your skill as someone who uses XIM4 on PS4.I can tell you i've never felt like i've had an advantage over Controller users especially when they have AA on.

For those thinking using K/B&M with AA will make it cheating.No it wont the Aim assist hinders you and throws your aiming off.

suckingeggs3195d ago (Edited 3195d ago )

@majin I agree

Also How is mouse and keyboard support new?

Just like BC ps3 had this already for years

Ps4 has it xb1 will have it and controllers will still be much more popular

Waste of an article

ritchi453195d ago

I'm fairly certain mouse support goes back as far as the original PlayStation too.

Gazondaily3195d ago

I hope KBM support isn't implemented into our FPS games otherwise any balance would go down the toilet. People are getting overhyped about this for some reason expecting that kind of integration but that isn't happening here?

just_looken3195d ago

LOL stupid article.

If anyone has a launch ps3 plug in a mouse/keyboard any usb one.

Wa la you got a mouse and keyboard working on a console from 2006 people. How can this change consoles when its been around for almost 10 years.

If developers never used the ps3 support fully in the 9 years why would they now oh also they had special keyboard/mice for ps3 not full keyboards but that had limited support with games.

JazMac343195d ago (Edited 3195d ago )

That's ridiculous...they've tested keyboard and mouse vs controller users before and have found consistently time and again that KB&M has a significant advantage.

Just think about it, the time it takes you to do a 360 camera turn is limited by the maximum speed at which the analog stick allows you to turn it, mouse has no such limitation. With a mouse I can precisely click exactly where I want to shoot on the screen while an analog stick can only aim with a rough estimation where you want to shoot (think about a game where you had to hover over small dots on a screen...which peripheral do you think would win that race?)

Even if you could change the analogue stick speed, you would sacrifice way too much accuracy to do it. The same would happen for mouse too but the trade off is significantly smaller.

NovusTerminus3195d ago

The mouse may aim faster, but you lose mobility due to the KB holding it back.

Dasteru3195d ago

Try running, jumping, aiming, shooting, straffing & reloading all at the same time with a controller, then tell me KB holds back mobility. Keyboards may seem a bit awkward to anyone not used to them but they have just as much advantage over a controller as a mouse does. The only thing a controller is better at is steering in a driving game which is where a wheel kit comes in to play anyway.

kneon3195d ago

The problem is you're only considering the right stick. You set the right stick to high sensitivity for fast movements while the left stick is for fine tuning. This doesn't work with a keyboard because you only have binary movement speed control.

Oschino19073195d ago (Edited 3195d ago )

I know right, as if using a different input method automatically increases your skill. IMO KB/M just feels lifeless and bland, have zero desire to use it.

I play a ton of WarThunder and never felt like I am at a disadvantage against KB/M (which you can use on ps4 if you want, I do for navigating the menus) yet some on there even attempt to claim superiority. Funny enough I often am top 3 against mainly KB/M users and I am very efficient in comparison once my vehicles are hooked up.

Skill will always be the definitive decideder, I laugh when people talk as if input method = skill. Someone on here the other day tried to compare KB/M against controllers to Ailiens against Cavemen and people actually agreed with him. SMH...

s45gr323195d ago

That's the misconception that using kb and m will automatically allow the gamer to beat the gamer using a gamepad. My wireless kb and m was going haywire while playing Payday 2 switch to gamepad and was able to help out my team along with staying alive longer. Is the skill and efficiency of the gamer not the input device he/she uses

IrishSt0ner3195d ago

@s45gr32 - Do you even realise wireless k/m are horrible for gaming? For a start you can not press two buttons at the same time on wireless (as it only allows for single input transmission)... so you can't strafe forward, crouch walk, or jump strafe etc...

Anyway it's been proven time and time again k/m gives a big advantage on FPS. I've had first hand experience where on Shadowrun our console team never won a SINGLE game against the PC team.

I don't know how people genuinely try to debate this, it's clear than pointing and clicking is infinitely quicker and more accurate than moving an analouge stick making many slight adjustments to move the ridiclue over the target, then add motion of the target... there's a reason auto-aim is present in all console FPS games and never used on PC FPS.

JamesBroski3195d ago

Well it depends. With games like GTA V where the auto-aim is really strong, the controller has a certain advantage depending on the situation. But with games like Counter Strike, a gamer using a controller would be extremely disadvantaged without a doubt.

Christopher3195d ago

We had M/K support last generation. Where did that get us?

Roccetarius3195d ago (Edited 3195d ago )

Microsoft saw what happened to controller players and pulled the plug. People accusing others of being hackers was thrown around a lot, because they had the better peripherals.

People even used KB / M for Destiny using a 3rd party item, which i can't remember the name of currently. What happened is that they were accused of hacking.

Ron_Danger3195d ago

We had M/K 2 gens ago. I used to play Red Faction 2 on PS2 with M/K

PC_603195d ago

let me feast on some console noobs on BF4 lol, I used to be a ps3 only player and moved to PC. took me a while but Keyboard and mouse is amazing and it feels weird now to hold a controller especially for first person shooters on my PS4.

Gazondaily3195d ago

"Sorry no it wont.You're only as good as your skill as someone who uses XIM4 on PS4.I can tell you i've never felt like i've had an advantage over Controller users especially when they have AA on. "

Have people played with mouse and keyboard over controllers? Its mad. The difference is massive and if I had a mouse and keyboard against players with a controller, I would be dominating easily.

gosukyomomma3195d ago

I find it easier to play with mouse and keyboard but it seems more boring just pointing and clicking. therefore playing with a controller id say takes more skill because you have to time and use a different hand eye coordination approach which i like it demonstrates real skill imo. Keyboard and mouse is just too easy.

Controller pad FTW!

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NatureOfLogic_3195d ago

No, mouse and keyboard support is nothing new on consoles. PS3 has it and it's been supported on PS4 since day one.

Bigpappy3195d ago

There is mouse and keyboard on X1 also, bot you cant play your games with them.

just_looken3195d ago

if you got a copy of mag kicking around or a old game like it some respond to mice/keyboards but never were supported unless you got fraxfx? those specail keyboard/mice.

kneon3195d ago

I have a frax FX, I used it for about a month and then went back to the controller. Playing with a mouse is just lame, it's not fun.

s45gr323195d ago

Unreal tournament 3 PS3 had kb and m support for the game, it didn't took off

Roccetarius3195d ago

KB / M is only supported for games if you pick up a 3rd party item.

bf0007779663195d ago

The next step for MS must be releasing office for Xbox one-play while working

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Bigpappy3195d ago (Edited 3195d ago )

Short answer: NO! Mouse and Keyboard will never replace controllers on consoles. One of the main reasons people game on consoles, is to get away from M/Kb.

AnotherProGamer3195d ago

Actually the main reason is comfortably

Its more comfortable to use controller on your couch than mkb

s45gr323195d ago

Actually no, is very comfortable for me to use keyboard and mouse on a couch no silly tray requirement, Mouse on next couch seat and keyboard on my lap. But kb and m suck donkey balls when it comes to racing games

uth113195d ago

Agreed, especially the mouse. Plus KB/m would be one more thing cluttering up the living room which we don't need

Sureshot3195d ago (Edited 3195d ago )

Nah I can't use a mouse and keyboard while I'm gaming on my bed, but I can use a controller while sitting at my desk

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PlayStation Doesn't Need a Dedicated PC Store Launcher

With all the PlayStation games that are now coming to PC, is it time for Sony to release a dedicated PC launcher?

thorstein4d ago

No, and they already solved any need with the overlay that's coming.

Vits4d ago

Unless they are trying to kill their recently created PC business, I would advise against opening a dedicated PC store. It's an extremely hard endeavor, and people, in general, are very comfortable with Steam. Even Epic, with their billions of dollars invested, is still struggling to find a foothold, and they have Fortnite.

just_looken3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Money is one thing security is another but again millions have 0 knowledge past 2020.

Epic store for years struggled with a shopping cart/account theft/credit card theft

Rockstar launcher/store to this day over 5 years later still has horrific user interface security flaws lost account's and stolen CC

Then you got that activision need phone number oh we lost it launcher

The crown jewel is the ea launcher/store ea app 3 yrs old still has hundreds of threads were people lost games/accounts/game access or just straight up crashes.

Edit" Oh ubi launcher were you buy a game that may or may not be there again or work and the launcher 5yrs old still has no 4K support if you launch it on a 4k screen there is a high chance it will just crash.

ocelot073d ago

Can tell who ever put this together is not all that clued up on pc gaming.

It's just a known fact. The PC gaming community prefer Steam and Steam alone. They don't like different launchers. I personally don't mind them. But majority just stick with steam. Hence why EA and Ubisoft went back to on releasing on steam and why Microsoft release games on steam as people hated buying from the windows store.

The only other launchers that I imagine are doing ok is GOG due to being drm free and epic games due to the free games every week. Sony shouldn't release any sort of pc launcher n

Nitrowolf23d ago (Edited 3d ago )

It literally says in the OP that PC gamers don't like multiple launchers lol. It even mentions Steam being the go to for gamers

Tacoboto3d ago

Title: "PlayStation Doesn't Need a Dedicated PC Store Launcher"

N4G: "Can tell who ever put this together is not all that clued up on pc gaming"

When you don't even read the headline...

ocelot073d ago

I read it and had a brain fart. As read the title then this "With all the PlayStation games that are now coming to PC, is it time for Sony to release a dedicated PC launcher?"

So I hold my hands up on that mistake. Rest of my comment still stands.

Giblet_Head3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Steam and GOG are highly preferred because of the rich feature set. Ubisoft, Rockstar, EA, Epic etc have all set a precedent over the years for customers to instinctively expect individual publisher launchers to be so extremely half-assed that the majority simply don't want to bother dealing with what is almost an inevitable disappointment by comparison to Steam or GOG. Those publishers and their inaction or general disinterest to improve have effectively ruined any future adoption to be taken seriously.

Einhander19723d ago (Edited 3d ago )

This is just another ridiculous double standard article.

It's like how Microsoft can spend 20 years of making nothing but gaas and live service style games to sell microtransactions, dlc and subscriptions and get praise for doing it, but if Sony wants to make a single game like that every website under the sun is writing articles saying how Sony is anti-consumer or whatever.

derek3d ago

Yep, huge double standard look at the tortured reaction to the ps5pro, websites hyperventilating like Sony is forcing people to buy it.

just_looken3d ago

Wait my xbox from 2004 has avengers gaas on it? wow your so smart

m$ Gaas started with the other companies like sony

Gamepass yes they are deep into that but its still a huge money saver sense you do not own your games then get a service like that.

Now there pc xbox launcher that is trash for years now

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Is Driver (PS1) Still Worth Playing in 2024?

"Driver was a technical achievement for PS1, a pioneer in cinematic gaming, and an often brutal challenge - TechStomper asks if its brand of 70s car chase antics still holds up."

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PrimeVinister11d ago

The driving holds up, most of everything else does not.

PrimeVinister11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

@Shane Kim

Well, I mean the driving physics hold up. The draw distance, police AI, visuals in general etc do not

Cacabunga11d ago

One of my all time favorites on PS1. I spent a summer vacation playing this was so good

isarai11d ago

Sadly youd be hard pressed to find any driving game with better physics these days. But the draw distance really kills it for me

PrimeVinister11d ago

The physics hold up ridiculously well. And the draw distance is a real hurdle at first.

__y2jb11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Nonsense. The physics in any modern game or any 360 game is light years beyond Driver.

Dandizzle11d ago

This game is hard, you will fail and quit

PrimeVinister11d ago

But you will get there eventually... maybe

MatrixxGT11d ago

All in the first two minutes.

jznrpg11d ago

Stop with is it worth it articles. If you want to play a game play the damn game!

anast11d ago

I loved this game awhile back.

Barlos11d ago

Yeah but is it worth reading pointless articles?

__y2jb11d ago

It wasn’t worth playing in the 90’s.

Espangerish11d ago

My thoughts exactly. I bought it at release for full price and got frustrated and bored with it very quickly.

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Is Gran Turismo (PS1) Still Worth Playing in 2024?

Gran Turismo for PlayStation launched a sub-genre and revolutionised console racing - TechStomper asks is it still worth playing in 2024.

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Terry_B13d ago

Well..you can play it completely offline at least ^^

PrimeVinister13d ago

Something we really miss, just turning on the console and having the game start without signing into stuff

Terry_B13d ago

Fully agreed. That and Splitscreen Modes for Racing games.

PrimeVinister13d ago

@Terry_B I miss having people to splitscreen with, but I can't blame anyone for that :-(

Cacabunga13d ago

Not too late.. we can still change that.

PrimeVinister13d ago

@Cacabunga I will let you in, see ya soon compadre :-P

MrBaskerville12d ago

@Terry_B
GT7 actually has 4 player splitscreen. Which is wild in this day and age.

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TiredGamer13d ago

Good news is that Sony released a final update to Gran Turismo Sport to allow it to function offline. Expecting the same for GT7 at some point in the future.

PrimeVinister13d ago

That is great news, I really liked Sport even if many others did not :-/

Chocoburger13d ago

I'm not big into sim racing, but I got sucked into the hype for this one from magazines back then. I just played arcade mode and that was enough for me to feel like I got my money's worth.

Yeah, it's definitely worth playing today. GT 2 has a few interesting fan made graphical mods when played on an emulator as well.

PrimeVinister13d ago

The arcade mode is underrated, it's a great alternative mode and you can even unlock GT HiFi with it.

Fonsecap13d ago

Cars back then had much more personality then those we see today. Modern cars all about the led lights and the tablet size screens and they all seem alike, back then they could be simpler in design but had tons more personality.

PrimeVinister13d ago

That is something a few people have pointed out - that cars all look the same now. I have to agree that a lot of new vehicles lack personality.

fsfsxii13d ago

You guys are so anti-fun its depressing, like who tf cares about personality of objects like wtf? Just learn to enjoy stuff as is.

PrimeVinister13d ago

It's hardly anti-fun to remark that some objects look nicer than others.

And everyone has their favourite era of cars, I sincerely doubt many will pick the 2020s a few decades from now.

Fonsecap13d ago

Dude, like wft cares about personality of objects? What about art? Paintings are objects and they're considered good or bad if they show or lack personality so I ask, wtf are you talking about? Cars are also considered pieces of art, vintage cars, classic cars, classic bikes and so on. Artists are appreciated by the objects they craft, blacksmiths, painters, engineers, designers, so wtf cares about personality of objects indeed... ( Sorry for my English, it's not my native language)

MrBaskerville12d ago

Talking about cars is fun if you are a car enthusiast. Just saying.

ApocalypseShadow13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

That Corvette Stingray to this day is one of the most ferocious whips ever driven. Overpowered against other cars yes. But to drive it and be that close to losing control, but being in command around those curves, just can't be duplicated.

HiFi mode is also something I miss. There should be a mode in today's GT where it's Mano o Mano and the detail and resolution jump full throttle. In today's games, Max Ray Tracing and lighting and textures to make it look even more real..

PrimeVinister13d ago

A modern HiFi mode would be really cool! It would be really interesting to see how real they could go by stripping it all way back.

And Stingray is a solid choice 👌

TiredGamer13d ago

HiFi mode in GT1 was only a stripped down 60 fps mode for one track. Should have been called "Performance Mode" or "High Frame Rate" mode.

PrimeVinister13d ago

@TiredGamer it was only three tracks, but it was still cool

Petebloodyonion13d ago

Not according to Former Playstation president Jim Ryan for he told Time that he doesn't see why anyone would play old games given the advancements in fidelity achieved today.

https://time.com/4804768/pl...

PrimeVinister13d ago

I don't agree with him, but he had a few good points.

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