Insider: Nintendo NX is “not aiming to compete on a power level” with PS4

Unseen64’s Liam Robertson tweeted that, after talking to “right people,” he is “absolutely sure” that the Nintendo NX won’t competing on a “power level” with the PlayStation 4.

[Master-Assassin]

Not surprised

[Cindy-rella]

I expect the NX to be weaker than a ps4 even though its coming out years later. If true and the Nintendo NX will be weaker than a ps4 i expect bad third party support like always for Nintendo which will lead to low sales and its ultimate failure.

Nintendo expects to sell 20million Nintendo NX console in its first year which i dont see happening when the ps4 and xbox one will be at an amazing price with a lot more games. With the failure of the gamecube, wii, and wii u, i dont see a lot of Nintendo gans runing out to get the NX because of a lack of faith. The nes fanatics will run out to buy the nx but there arent much of them that will

[RPGrinder]

"Nintendo expects to sell 20million Nintendo NX console in its first year " Stop with the lying Bullshit rumors please.

[uptownsoul]

I hope its not true…I mean I would think the "NX" would have to be on par with PS4's power w/ x86 architecture so they can push 3rd parties to decent make Nintendo ports…

I know that even if they do this, they might not get those decent 3rd party ports, but if they did have even or better power than PS4 AND x86 architecture like PS4 & XB1 at least they have an argument for decent 3rd party ports

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

I don't even have a clue what Nintendo should do for a new console.

I don't have a clue, the only thing I would know how to do is try to compete with XBOX One and PS4. It would have to be on par graphically, I have a hard time picturing Nintendo having success doing this. Last time they tried it was with GameCube and I liked it but it didn't do so well in sales. Nintendo has an imagine of being more for kids.

Still, I don't see any other choice, gotta try to compete with the big boys or get out. If they make another kiddy console, core gamers won't really care so why even bother.

[freshslicepizza]

nintendo likely wants the new system to be $299 so it's reasonable to think it won't be as powerful as the ps4 specially if they have some other hardware features built in.

[ABizzel1]

If true their only hope is a $199 console, which while less powerful than the PS4 and XBO, would still be a capable machine with around 2x the CPU power of the Wii U and 2.5x the graphics performance if they go with AMD's A10 7700 APU, and GDDR5 for the RAM.

They can't expect to sell a weaker console for $299, when the PS4 and XBO will be in that range by then, and have years of games under their belt, and multi-million install base.

@Mrlightgingbubbles

Nintendo has 3 choices as far as making a console goes.

1. Fusion Device
2. Cheap $199 - $299 console.
3. High End $399 - $499 console.

The least likely is the $399 - $499 console. If they plan on releasing it by 2016 - 2017, then the best they can come up with for that price range is:

(everything in order from cheapest to highest, $399 - $499)

CPU: FX 6300 / Quad-Core Power PC 7 / FX 8320 / Intel i3 3000 / i5 2000 series

GPU: R9 280 / R9 280x / R9 380

RAM: 8GB DDR4
4 - 8GB GDDR5 / 4GB HBM

Regardless the combination it's a great rig, and just under 2x as powerful as the PS4, although performance-wise it should be a bit better than 2x.

The problem is Nintendo can't sell a $300 console so how are they going to sell a $400 - $500 console with and bare bones online network, no western 3rd party support. There will be those who buy it just for it's power, but it complete alienates the family / child gamer audience with that price. It's seems nice for the core, but it's an awful idea for Nintendo, and they don't need that much power for the type of games they make.

Next up is the $199 - $299 price, which would be 2 very different consoles.

At $199 they're getting the APU system I mentioned earlier, A10 7700. Basically a FX 4350 + R7 250 (XBO is based off 260, PS4 is based off 270). This is more than enough power for their IPs, it's enough power for current gen games at their lowest settings for 3rd parties, and at a price the majority of gamers can get behind. This is their ideal console IMO right now from a business perspective.

Fans however, want the $299 console that goes head to head with the PS4 and XBO, but that's a losing battle just like the $399 - $499 console IMO.

At this point Nintendo either needs to go with the $199 home console, and the $199 fusion device both of which share the same library at home and on the go.

[mikeslemonade]

Lol Nintendo is gonna be two generations behind instead of being the usual last gen console.

[bmf7364]

The biggest rumor on the NX spec leak awhile ago was the use of 4GB of DDR4. DDR4 is faster than GDDR5 but the fact lies that it's not enough to even be considered modern. 8GB has been a standard and it seems soon that games need more RAM than that.

[Benchm4rk]

"With the failure of the gamecube, wii, and wii u,"

The Wii sold 100 million consoles and won last gen. How is that a failure?

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

I would love to see Nintendo start over and try to compete with XBOX One and PS4. But lets be real...

That's NOT gonna happen!

The NX will be another kiddy console with party games and graphics from 2 generations ago. They will try to invent another crappy gimmick and hope they can be mildy successful at attracting little anime girls, or whatever market that plays handhelds and things like that.

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

@ABizzel1

Oh damn! Thanks for all that lesson. I think you're right.

[rjason12]

@Cindy-rella Man, how do you get so many likes all the time, all I ever see you do is bash Nintendo, you once stated that you owned a wii u for your kids for about a week, then later on another you stated that you would never buy a Wii u.

[Cindy-rella]

Im a girl, i never said i have children because i dont and id never buy a wii u. Wii us generation is over and only nes fanatics would say otherwise. The console barely gets any new games so why would i want to buy it and im a core gamer.

[fatneal]

there is a difference between 20 million shipped and 20 million sold

[Army_of_Darkness]

If the NX is weaker than the ps4,whats the point of even releasing a new console?! That's gonna fail as bad as sega's 32x!

[Paulino30]

@ Cindy-rella

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the wii have the most consoles sold last gen?

If it didn't it still wasn't a failure.

[gameboy1]

All this rumour comes from Nintendo hiring a graphics engineer for new hardware google it...

Low power means less electricity it has nothing to do with the capability's which will squash wiiu/ps4/xbox1 it could end up using only a bit more power then wiiu but it has nothing to do with graphics/framerates/resolution ect..

[hduce]

Still not sure what the "NX" will be but I will wait for an official unveil or at least more credible rumors from a developer before reserving judgment on power, architecture, price, etc.

[LOL_WUT]

Agreed I still think there's hope for Nintendo to redeem themselves by making a powerful system. ;)

[andibandit]

well...the WiiU had a gamepad with a touchscreen...so maybe they'll do a:
touchscreen with a digital gamepad...MINDBLOWN!

[ABizzel1]

Honestly I think they're better off with a $199 entry gaming system.

Nintendo can't compete with Sony and MS, which is why they do their own thing, and why they don't get into the hardware or online network battles.

As much as we'd want a core Nintendo console, there's still a good chance they'll have inferior 3rd party support, because their fans buy their hardware for first party first and foremost, and in many case solely for first party.

It also means they have to go head to head with PS4 and XBO price wise (which PS4 and XBO will win the price war), build a capable online network (they're 2 generations behind now), and make games the fans have been asking (They've been asking for games like F-Zero, Pokemon MMO, Earthbound, etc... for over a decade).

There's little reason to hope and put faith in Nintendo at this point IMO, and all I could ask for is a cheap and capable console to play the few first party games I like, as well as the rare 3rd party exclusive that comes it's way.

And a $199 while not as powerful as the PS4 or XBO, wouldn't be as huge of a leap down as the Wii U currently is (it would be about 2/3 the power of the XBO).

[Number-Nine]

Nintendo should rename their brand to "ass backwards". It's been their shtick for a while now

[RocketScienceLvlStuf]

Maybe it will be more powerful than the xbone though.

[SilentNegotiator]

Please don't sidestep the discussion into that nonsense.

[pcz]

the NX is commercial suicide

[gameboy1]

Here is where the RUMOR came from basically Nintendohiring a graphics engineer for low power hardware ie low electricity not raw capabilities.....

http://www.gamespot.com/for...

[RPGrinder]

Lets just say this is a rumor right now. He does not know for sure what is going on.

[RonsonPL]

Let's not.

hint 1: Nintendo boss recently saying: "Wii:U flopped because the price was too high."
hint 2: rumors about 149$ price
hint 3: rumors about the console being android-based, a "transformer", a handheld and a console in one, with some docking station.
hint 4: rumor about 2016. Ninendo would HAVE to wait until 2017 for TSMC 16FF+ process to become mature and cheap. 16FF+ was the only chance for Nintendo for creating a console that's both cheap to produce, and equal to PS4 (or faster) at the same time.
hint 5: this info. This guy is credible.

I'm predicting Wii:U backward compatibility and Wii 1 compatibility in mobile mode.

My 5 cents:
It's the last time Nintendo disappointed me. Wii 1, Wii 2(U) wasn't enough to erase the great memories of NES, SNES, N64 and GameCube.
But it seems they'll never return to core gaming again. They said they want to, when they announced upcoming Wii:U, but it turned out to be a lie. Sure, Nintendo can always do things like the deal with Platinum Games, but with a hardware that's whole one generation behind, there's no chance their console becomes relevant enough so devs like Platinum would create their games for Nintendo console, but without any dotations. If the NX was even just a little faster than PS4, devs would create all their multiplatorm games for the NX, and when enough people bought the NX, games like Bayonetta would start appearing on the NX in the natural way. As it happened many times before, in previous generations.
Nintendo focused on casuals, and that's why Wii:U is dead now. The casuals are gone. They prefer mobiles and browser games now. They have smart TVs, tablets, smartphones.
I don't get it. PS4 is a really cheap (to produce) and weak hardware. They could just put the same APU, but a little better thanx to the 16FF+ process, and they could sell it at the lower price than PS4.
But no. Nintendo thinks the casuals are still there in hundreds of millions, just waiting for the next Nintendo console. Wii success blinded Nintendo. They still think it's 2007. It's not.
I do agree that the Wii:U has great exclusives. I even personally counted more of the good ones on the Wii:U than on the PS4 or Xone, and I really LOVE that many of the Wii:U games are 60fps titles. But it's not like Nintendo needed to create a console that costs 1000$ to produce to beat the competition.
As a kid, I was blown away by Donkey Kong Country on the SNES. Then Mario 64 and Turok took my breath for a while. Then I had one of the best times in my gaming history when I played Star Wars Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader on the GameCube. All those games had both superb gameplay and great graphics that were above the competition.
I really wanted to believe Nintendo will do a proper console again some day. But it's time to stop deluding myself. GameCube 2 will not happen.

[RPGrinder]

Credible? Not really. He follows me on twitter, and he has been wrong plenty of times.

Wii had some of the best Nintendo games ever. 3DS and DS, the same. Nintendo makes incredible games.

The problem is not them, it is you. Graphics, do not make great games. Wii U has amazing games. They have more games over 80 on metacritic than anyone.

[iluvmaPS3]

@rpgrinder. You're an idiot

[Savsky]

@RPGrinder PS4 has 75 80+ games on Metacritic while the Wii U only has 45 80+ games.

[SilentNegotiator]

"The problem is not them, it is you. Graphics, do not make great games"

Ummm, yeah, no.
The problem is that developers can't make the games that they want on Nintendo's weak home consoles and the result is weak third party support. It's about the technical part of the graphics, not how shiny it is.

[Spotie]

And you know even less, it would seem.

[feelforlove]

"The problem is not them, it is you. Graphics, do not make great games. Wii U has amazing games. They have more games over 80 on metacritic than anyone."

so you can't have great graphics and great games?

45 Wii U games scored 80+ on metacritic after 2,5 years on market

76 PS4 games scored 80+ on metacritic after 1,5 years on market

[kayoss]

True, but you're forgetting something, if you don't have strong 3rd party support you will force the fan base to go to another console to get their fix. Fans will soon be tired of Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon games. The wii u is a great example of this. As much as I love Nintendo games I stop playing my wii u. I bought the wii u because my wife and I love Mario kart, but as of now we've moved on and for us, wii u have nothing to offer us.

[Realplaya]

Aren't there more games on the PS4 than the Wii U also.

[RPGrinder]

Why don't you actually use the actual numbers instead of making stuff up? How many of those PS4 games are made by Sony? 2?

[fatneal]

how many of those ps4 games are exclusives or indies?

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

"so you can't have great graphics and great games?"

Bayonetta 2.
Mario Kart 8.
Xenoblade X.
Fatal Frame.
I could go on, but the pont is made well enough with just those.
Seriously, if you think the system can't do great graphics, then you're only talking about budget-inflating realistic cinematics and not giving credit to how good the games both look and play.

[godmachine]

rpgrinder has a good point if everyone just wants great graphics at high res get a pc because ALL the consoles are already in terms of graphics at least obsolete obviously wii u most of all...sad but true...this 1080p bullish was the same argument people had over ps3 360 ...face facts ..games for ps4 xbo will be 720p 30fps real soon to stay toe to toe with there pc counterparts with the details cranked, wii u will stick to art style as its solution and also be at 720/30 .if no one told us we prob never even tell the difference then what we gonna argue about shadows or lighting or somethin else that really doesnt make or break games ...really whats next on the list so i can prepare

[kayoss]

@godmachine
Currently the powering of the consoles go as followed PS4>XBOXone>WiiU
If the Xbox one and PS4 are having trouble with 1080p when it comes to 3rd party games, it is likely that the Wii U will have a bigger problem of achieving 1080p. We are not talking about exclusives here. When it come to 3rd party games, developers will access ease of portability to other consoles. With the Wii U controller, Developers will not spend extra money to spend more time on porting a game. Second, developers will look at the user base for that console and decide if its worth it to put more money into to port to said console.

[Knushwood Butt]

Let's just guess that Nintendo are aiming for an underpowered, overpriced device that relies on a gimmick.

[superchiller]

That certainly is their usual approach, isn't it? Cheapest possible hardware, cut many features out and keep the specs to a bare minimum, throw in a gimmick, and hope the suckers will buy it . . . worked (for a while) with the Wii, failed miserably with the Wii U.

[SoulWarrior]

How you have 10 bubbles is beyond me, you fail to present any decent argument and just ignore the flat out horrible third party support the wii u has when talking about games and metastatic.

Many ps4 and Xbox one gamers will be enjoying games like Fallout 4 and Assassins Creed where as wii u owners won't,but hey they don't count because they are third party!

Your are so delusional it's beyond belief.

[RPGrinder]

And the PS4 and X1 have crappy first party support. Not every system has everything right now.

Who is delusional?

[N0TaB0T]

Oh you're defending Nintendo again, as usual.

[feelforlove]

"Worst third party support, but best overall exclusives."

Let's see. Last gen PS3 exclusives which scored 90+ on metacritic:

Uncharted 2 - 96
TLOU - 95
LBP - 95
MGS4 - 94
God of War III - 92
Uncharted 3 - 92
Killzone 2 - 91
LBP 2 - 91

I didn't count Journey because it's small indie game, MLB The Show or God of War Collection, ICO/SoTC Collection, MGS Legacy Collection.

Wii exclusives which scored 90+ on metacritic:

Super Mario Galaxy - 97
Super Mario Galaxy 2 - 97
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - 95
Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 93
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - 93
Xenoblade Chronicles - 92
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption - 90

As you can see 7 Wii exclusives and 8 PS3 exclusives, so PS3 had better exclusives.

[RPGrinder]

haha, you want to do PS3 now? Not all of those were even made by Sony.......

Not to mention the fact that Galaxy 1 and 2 are the highest rated games ever, EVER. Nice try though. You fail

[Chronoman2]

Done. Rumor done. He has no idea what it is.

http://i.imgur.com/HenAah1....

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

And there's your reason to mark this as a rumor.
Ah, but wait!
This is N4G, the home-land of unreasonable Nintendo bashing!
What was I thinking!
Do carry on, people.
I'll just be over here sitting in my lawn chair.
Smirking.

[RPGrinder]

Tell me about it. It is hard to take most of these people seriously.

[gameboy1]

All this rumour comes from Nintendo hiring a graphics engineer for new hardware google it...

Low power means less electricity it has nothing to do with the capability's which will squash wiiu/ps4/xbox1 it could end up using only a bit more power then wiiu but it has nothing to do with graphics/framerates/resolution ect..

http://www.gamespot.com/for...

[Zero109]

I was gearing more towards an X1 lvl of power or something inbetween the X1 and PS4. 3rd party support and bigger games need more powerful hardware (which they've lacked this and last gen). So I hope they do find some middle ground.

[yewles1]

I'm going to guess: It might be a tablet that you can hook up wirelessly to a TV to play at home, like Apple's AirPlay...

https://support.apple.com/e...

[rainslacker]

I'm really expecting a hybrid type console just so Nintendo can focus on one console. Their mobile platform is doing gangbusters, but they need to remain relevant in the home console market as well, so if they can combine the two, then it opens up two markets with one console.

I don't think it'll be a wireless airPlay type thing though. That would require more costs to handle the stream to the TV, so I see something more like a docking station with a separate controller...possibly sold separately.

Heck, it could simply be a portable WiiU, and I honestly believe Nintendo wanted this with the WiiU to begin with. Unfortunately, technology wasn't cheap enough to really pack it all into the tablet.

[stragomccloud]

That'd be stupid. They must want the thing to fail. Unless this really isn't a new full console, and really is something different. Maybe it is just the 3DS replacement? Either way, Nintendo would be foolish not to make the thing more powerful than the PS4. The PS4 isn't even very powerful to begin with.

[SilentNegotiator]

Reggie already slipped up and called it a "home console". Unless it's a "hybrid" console, it's a replacement for Wii U.

[TXIDarkAvenger]

So once again Nintendo will be behind in terms of graphical power. I hope this isn't true.

[gamer7804]

they should match the power of the xbox one and ps4. sell the system cheaper since the parts are probably cheaper. That way they can of course utilize their own franchises while getting more 3rd party support. They then need to work on their OS and Social infrastructure. (Party, Chat, Achievements, Apps, etc.) I love that you can post comments and screenshots on activity feeds but needs to be more robust with full resolution screenshots.

Put this system out soon, and somehow allow the wiiu-pad to be used on the system as well.

[DOOMZ]

If the NX does not blow X1 or P4 out of the water, FAIL!

[ABizzel1]

They can't blow them out of the water at a reasonable price. Even at $500 they're looking at a console that's only 2x more powerful than the PS4.

This is a risky move for Nintendo in every way.

1) They make a cheap $199 console and stay in the entry market for gaming, making them the most accessible console for kids consistently, and offering enough power for the games they make. $199 = 700 - 800 GFLOPS

2) They make a $299 console to go head to head with the PS4 and XBO (1.6 - 2 TFLOPS). The problem is if they're going to compete with Sony and MS they have to also make a good online network, and actively pursue 3rd party content, neither of which has Nintendo shown any real interest in.

3) They make a high end $399 - $499 console that's 2x PS4 (3.5 TFLOPS). And as soon as that happens, then we'll get a $299 XBO ($200 less), and a $349 PS4 ($150 less), with 3 years under their belt, install base of 30m / 40m XBO (2016 / 2017) and 50m / 65m PS4 (2016 / 2017), and proven full 3rd party support.

4) Make the fusion tablet-device and focus on a 1 Nintendo console future, that puts emphasis on their one successful hardware, their handheld. $199 gets you performance equivalent to the Wii U on the go, and possible more depending on the game resolution. And for $299 you get the fusion device and a docking station allowing it to beam content from fusion to your TV and upscales the image quality and provide plenty of storage for all your game downloads.

1 is the most likely. It's the safest, and a $199 console today can pack a good enough punch for Nintendo's standards, and their IP's which aren't the most demanding technologically. And with an APU like the A10 7700 they should be able to get low end ports of the majority of 3rd party games.

4 would be the wisest.

2 is what fans want.

3 would kill off their console brand.

[DOOMZ]

If their NEXT console is anything less than amazingly powerful, pass... I will not fall for another gimmick. Just give me a kick azz game console with a regular controller with third party support & great games please, thanks!

[ABizzel1]

@DOOMZ

I think you're going to be disappointed. I bought both the Wii and Wii U, and at this point I'm not planning on buying anything from Nintendo next-gen unless they really impress me.

Going toe to toe with Sony and MS is a losing battle for them. They're a games company first and foremost, meanwhile Sony is a hardware company and MS is a software company. Nintendo simply can't compete on those grounds, but where they can compete is games, which is why the NX has to be all about fan service for it to sell to me and I'm sure many of the other fans on here who criticism them.

Nintendo doesn't need a 3.5 TFLOP console to make Mario, Zelda, Smash, Kart, and Pokemon. Their games rely on art style first and foremost, and at this point most of us buy the majority of our 3rd party games on our primary console anyway where most of our friends are.

What Nintendo needs is simply a cheap / affordable console that's powerful enough. They need to always be in that $199 - $249 range, and have hardware capable enough to handle the 3rd party games that Sony and MS get.

What's better a $500 Nintendo console that gets 3rd party games that sell awful due to the limited install base, but has to sell against a $300 PS4 and XBO. Because I'm telling you now, if they do this they're going to suffer hard. PS3 couldn't sell at this price off the back of the HUGE PS2, and XBO couldn't do it off the back of the successful 360, Nintendo definitely can't do it after the failure of the Wii U even if it's hands down better hardware wise.

or

A $199 Nintendo console that has just enough power to get most 3rd party games, that sell well enough for Nintendo to get it's online network together, get an achievement system together, and afford to spend less time and money of maxing graphics, and simply make the games fans have been asking for for over a decade.

The $199 console is the way to go. It has a much better chance of selling due to the low price, and they can get fairly good performance into the console at that price, and best of all they'll be in the position to get back into the game when gamers start looking for their 2nd / 3rd console in the next couple of years.

[Germany7]

Nintendo really should consider to make a more "traditional" console to compete with Sony and Microsoft, the majority of gamers really don't care for a different experience like motion controller and casual gamers now prefer mobile games on their phones, we are probably not going to see another success like Wii with the casual crowd.

I'm not saying btw that Wii only has casual games, great games were released for the console too, but a lot of casuals bought because of the Wiimote and games like Wii Sports.

[ZeekQuattro]

Insider. Yeah right. lmao

[Rebel_Scum]

I know right. In the article it says the guy has credibility because he predicted some Fallout 4 Pip boy release.

Great logic right there.

[RJ92009]

How about we wait tell we all see more! I don't believe anything tell you see it for your selfs.

[Jag-T1000]

This thing is gonna be an android tablet made by Nintendo.

[KontryBoy706]

It's a rumor but would anybody be surprised if this were true lol... Nintendo has proven they have lost their way. They refuse to learn from the consumers outcry or listen for that matter. They just don't want to do right... I don't get it. They need to release a traditional console with standards gamers expect and leave the gimmicks at the door. Get 3rd party support and actually make the games people want to play. Stop trying to be the parents of their consumers!!!

[Kalebninja]

They thought Wii u sales were bad? They will burn this time around if it isn't up to date .

[Paleblood]

Cannot be. If Nintendo insists on avoiding a full confrontation against the other consoles, this time is going to be their last on the console market.

Look at Microsoft. They are loosing against Sony but at least they are fighting and trying to compete facing the PlayStation the best way they could which in turn makes the market more competitive and the gamers sure to be on the good end of it.

Nintendo in the other hand is being a coward relying and milking poor Mario. Is time for Nintendo to face the competition as they use to in the times of the NES, SNES and N64, if not, Nintendo will dissappear from the console market for refusing to change with the times.

[LOL_WUT]

And what's more sad is that other two are beating Nintendo at their own game a company whose primary focus is video games. ;)

[gameboy1]

All this rumour comes from Nintendo hiring a graphics engineer for new hardware google it...

Low power means less electricity it has nothing to do with the capability's which will squash wiiu/ps4/xbox1 it could end up using only a bit more power then wiiu but it has nothing to do with graphics/framerates/resolution ect..

http://www.gamespot.com/for...

[xwilldemise]

I smell another underpowered console on the way with little to no third party support. Probably a gimmick thrown in there to help it sell, way to go Nintendo! /s

[jhoward585]

Good for Nintendo. Power isn't everything. its all about processing speed/very little loading time.

They should play to their strength which is game play. Graphics isn't their main concern, game play is.
Well, from what i can tell so far, Nintendo want to eliminate as much as loading time as they can because it allows them to make a game the way they want. I think They're simply going for the N64 approach(Fast RAM/high bandwidth storage medium) now based on what they've learned from all of their gaming machines they've made so far. I think the N4g was the closet thing to meeting Nintendo vision, but unfortunately the proper storage medium weren't available on the market, to add the the n64. today's storage technology have improved a lot, and its a lot cheaper to make.

Apparently, one of the weakest component that never seems to get upgraded much in gaming systems is the motherboard. I think Nintendo will use a very fast motherboard accompanying it with fast Ram.

[iluvmaPS3]

You're brainwashed lol keep buying Mario tho.

[jhoward585]

I'm pretty sure Nintendo will have more than Mario for the NX.
BTW, I predict Sega will be Nintendo backbone or platinum studios. They don't have much of a choice this time because I believe most 3rd devs will be on the fence until they start to see a higher user base for the NX. I could be wrong.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

You're the reason Nintendo should keep making consoles.
You don't respect their franchises: they'd never make a cent off of tasteless trolls like you, as a third party.

[CEOSteveBallmer]

Just like everyone is saying, if NX is not as powerful as PS4 or Xbox one, then what's the use of releasing a slightly powerful console than the Wii-U?? Do you think 3rd party devs would just water down their game so that it could be ported to NX?? sorry but watering down a game costs time and money. Sorry but NX i bet would again not receive a lot of 3rd party games.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Dude, they were watering down PS3 and 360 ports on Wii U when it wasn't needed, and certainly made them less desirable and further choked sales potential, just to save a buck on dev costs.
They'd do the same to NX ports even if it was three times as powerful as the PS4.XD

[Psygnosis333]

If Nintendo make console that will cost nearly 150-200$ and a power similar to ps4 &
xbone, I think it will have a chance to be successful.

[Psygnosis333]

"sorry but watering down a game costs time and money"
Like upscale or downscale resolution ? Its not complicated like in 16bit and 32bit era when you have almost diferent game.
Nowdays its simpler,it uses same game asets just compare xbone and ps4

[About30Ninjas]

Nintendo if this rumor end up being true I can't defend you after that

[AJBACK2FRAG]

What happened to the Wii U upgrade Miyamoto was talking about?

[WheatBread]

If they expect the NX to sell 20 million the first year then it better be faster than the PS4 or it's a waste of time.

[Psygnosis333]

20m in one year? Not a chance, unless its 99$ :p ps4 and xbone already took huge amount of market share

[starcatcher]

....

[kassler]

Third party support is really important. One reason the PS4 is selling so good is that third party games, most of the time perform better on the PS4.

[Mithan]

Most people don't get that if Nintendo can make some weird gimmicky system that gets people to buy it in droves, like the original Wii, they will make money.

The first Wii sold millions and made lots of money, though it sucks from a core gamer point of view.

If they are going for a more traditional console, and it can't be better than a ps4 power wise (like 50% more powerful), it's going to suck.

So, I expect the new console will be done gimmicky system that will either be a major success like the Wii or collapse like the WiiU.

[SilentNegotiator]

What gimmick could possibly match, or even attempt to mimic, Wii's motion controls in 2006, though?

[Castle333]

A console that can play both 3ds games and wii u games plus their new console games, all in one. It will be a handheld and a home console and you can use any remote including your 3ds.

[Mithan]

If I knew the answer to that I would be working for Nintendo.

[Imalwaysright]

Nintendo main focus with the NX should be getting 3rd party devs on board and improving their online network. Power isn't everything and the console market doesn't value it as much as N4g majority believes. I've been gaming since the SNES/Megadrive/Neo geo days and this is the 1st time I'm seeing the most powerful console on the market selling more than the competition.

[Schawk]

I know Nintendo are stupid sometimes but come on they cant be that stupid, if they release a new console with less power than the ps4 and xbone that would be the end of them completely and i think they know this

they want to get developers on board after all

i call bs on this article

[Activemessiah]

Nintendo will understand everything when they're at death's door... they're not quite there yet but when they do, they'll understand what everyone was trying to tell them.

[Ck1x]

What's so funny is how up in arms everyone is and no one even knows what the NX is! It could be their next handheld for all we know.

[RPGrinder]

"Insider"= fake rumor and lets bash on Nintendo by the foolish posters here.

Let me post this again here: http://i.imgur.com/HenAah1....

Where are all the known Nintendo trolls now?

[feelforlove]

"haha, you want to do PS3 now? Not all of those were even made by Sony....... "

why not. you said that nintendo hardware has best exclusives when in reality last gen Wii had worse exclusives than PS3 and X360.

so now we only count exclusives made by Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft? Then you should leave Bayonetta 2 and Smash Bros.

"Not to mention the fact that Galaxy 1 and 2 are the highest rated games ever, EVER. Nice try though. You fail"

HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64) - 99
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 (PS) - 98
Grand Theft Auto IV (PS3) - 98
SoulCalibur (DC) - 98
Grand Theft Auto IV (X360) - 98

[gameboy1]

http://www.gamespot.com/for...

All this rumour comes from Nintendo hiring a graphics engineer for new hardware google it...

Low power means less electricity it has nothing to do with the capability's which will squash wiiu/ps4/xbox1 it could end up using only a bit more power then wiiu but it has nothing to do with graphics/framerates/resolution ect..

[ape007]

I really don't know what nintendo can do to succeed with the NX, it seems all the doors are closed, u do a powerful system, it would be too late and too expensive to compete with ps4 and X1, u do an underpowered system, it would be cheap and everyone would laugh at it and to even add to the problem, in either case, it won't have the library ps4 and X1 are enjoying

The whole NX situation look bleak

[Moonman]

I say do a powerful system and try to make a profit while gaining more fans. Wii U is a profit at the end of the day. It just has a small fan base. They need at least N64 level of fans....great games, powerful hardware will sell. Maybe not 100 million, but it will sell way more than 10-20 million.

[1nsomniac]

If that's the case then I'm afraid I'm going to have to pass on another Nintendo product. When will they learn that to create something that isn't just a temporary fad/gimmick it has to have some grunt & be future proof to an extent.

Just like the SNES for its time & just like the N64. How can they be so stupid? It's such a shame, the NX again will fail & im sad to say it but I can't see them releasing another console after that.

[lemoncake]

If the NX is a wii u replacement console and is weaker than the ps4 and xbox one at this stage of the generation they will have a lot of problems. I don't think people will accept a new console that is only slightly better than the wii u in terms of power. They have to create something that will make those with a wii u want to upgrade this early into a cycle, mediocre isn't going to cut it.

[Crowserk]

<Reading between the lines>

The statement "not aiming to compete on the power level of a PS4" might be completely misunderstood - for good reason because we understand nintendos lack of care in the hardware power department.

With that said, the quote mentioned above could actually mean they're NOT willing to compete as in BATTLE with something stronger inside their product, comparing it to a PS4 but instead matching the internals power-wise, thus resulting in absolutely zero competition from a tech-head standpoint BUT instead complete participation among the Xbox One and the PS4 resulting in a trifecta of three capiable gaming consoles all with their pro's and con's along with their specialities.

If matched, their "speciality" would obviously be mobile gaming akin to a Dreamcast VMU in the modern age and their partnership with Amazon which brings an interesting twist to their latest creation.

</Reading between the lines>

[jakmckratos]

That doesn't make me happy....that's part of the reason Wii U failed spectacularly.

[parentsbasement]

I guess they can do what they want but the newest console to come out should be the most powerfull imo , not "on par" but superior...

[DialgaMarine]

So this could be either significantly weaker, or significantly more powerful, than PS4? I'm going with the afore. It is Nintendo, and almost none of their franchises justify super powerful hardware. It sounds like their best hope is to basically create something extremely affordable. Probably just hardware slightly more powerful than Wii-U, without power reductions by the gamepad. My personal guess would be that they're going to use a combination of the next DS/ mobile phones and the console itself, as a sort of replacement for the gamepad.

[MetroidFREAK21]

Not saying graphics are everything, but if they release a console after the Xbox One and PS4, and it isn't more powerful or doesn't do anything different than its competition, then the console is doomed to fail just like Wii U.

[greenmeanie]

Exactly! It doesn't even need to be better, just needs to be on par! If they really go "less is more" again, there won't be a Nintendo! They got the franchises, they just need to USE them! I am sorry, but with the wii u being out as long as it has and NO Metroid, and NO Zelda game being released (aside from the HD remake of Wind Waker), it is no wonder the wii u failed. You can't survive on just making nothing but Mario games!

[MetroidFREAK21]

Yep, I totally agree :) Nintendo has the killer apps, but they just don't use them to make people buy their console... Its simply baffling and kinda idiotic... In the mean time, if I want to play a Nintendo game, I'll just pop in a SNES cart, or a GameCube disc...

[Schawk]

Why would they develop a new console which will be the most recent on the market slightly more powerful than there previous attempt and still less powerful than the competitions current consoles, and then a few years down the line when the ps5 and new xb comes it will be even more behind.

they cannot make 2 generations of console and still be behind the last generation of its competitors

just dosent make sense it would be a hanging rope for the company

but i suppose shitty bloggers and reporters need to make up stories to bash and get traffic

[s45gr32]

What if.Sony decides to use PlayStation Now as the PS5 and Microsoft turns Xbox Live as a brand that can be used on any machine from PC to steam machine, tablet or smartphone. The days of console hardware are over. It will become as to which company can deliver the best gaming Netflix service 😎. Nintendo needs to improve the Wii U gamepad and release that as opposed to a console if it needs to succeed. Besides Nintendo strength comes from its handheld business not console business. Look at how 3DS being on the market.

[Schawk]

yes you are correct about there business coming from the handheld market, the prices should have fallen by now to build better console hardware, so hopefully we get a decent console this time with more power,

If the NX is definitely a console i just cant comprehend that they would even think about releasing a console with less power than the current competition from Sony and Microsoft when they know that is how the wiiU lost 3rd party support.

they cant be a generation ahead and still be behind the last generation from the competitors

[mochachino]

I hope it's 99.99 then.

[greenmeanie]

WTF Nintendo?!?! WTF?!?!?!?! They are going to go out of business by making the SAME mistakes they always make. I miss the glory days when Nintendo was the leader of cutting edge technology... The n64 was the last true great Nintendo console. Personally, I actually liked the Wii U, but they just gave up on it. Nintendo killed that console. They NEED to make a console that can compete with the Xbox One and the PS4. They have the upper hand over the other console makers because they have the exclusives with the biggest following like Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Donkey Kong, etc... SO if Nintendo makes a console that is on par or BETTER than the PS4 and Xbox One, they would DOMINATE the market. I am talking about a console that has it all! Nintendo's quality and innovation with the ability to compete with and appease the online COD and RPG crowd. I am talking about a console that plays ALL the latest games just as well as all the current consoles. They NEED third party support, and they can't rely on JUST Mario. The console needs to be a smart, full HD, 100% multimedia machine with the ability to run apps, integrate with your home theater system, with SOLID online gameplay. Basically make it a PS4 or Xbox One that plays Mario and Zelda, and Nintendo will Annihilate the competition! Unfortunately, that isn't what they are doing, so RIP Nintendo! Nice knowing you! If you pull a Sega, and release your awesome franchises on other consoles, PLEASE make sure that Zelda gets on Xbox One!!!

[BigDuo]

Anyone who has been paying attention to the consistency of Nintendo's Satoru Iwata and Shigeru Miyamoto's comments for the past few years knows that Nintendo is not interested in being more like Sony and Microsoft despite Wii U's failure. They are not going to make a console that directly competes hardware power-wise with the likes of Xbox and PlayStation and here's the proof:

"What we are always striving to do is to find a way to take novel technology that we can take and offer it to people at a price that everybody can afford. And in addition to that, rather than going after the high-end tech spec race and trying to create the most powerful console, really what we want to do is try to find a console that has the best balance of features with the best interface that anyone can use.

And the reason for that is that, No. 1, we like to do things that are unique and different from other companies, but we also don't want to just end up in a race to have the highest-tech specs in a competition to try to find how we get these expensive tech specs to the lowest price of the other systems. And so there's different ways that we can approach it, and sometimes we look at it just from the sense of offering a system that consumes less power and makes less noise and generates less heat, or sometimes we may look at the size of the media and the size of the system and where it fits within the home." - Miyamoto, June 2015

"Nintendo's philosophy is that we create products that are going to be played with everyone in the living room." - Miyamoto, June 2015

"Only expanding on exiting hardware is dull. In some shape or form, we're always thinking about how we want to surprise players as well as our desire to change each person's video gaming life." - Iwata, March 2015

"Nintendo is currently developing a dedicated game platform with a brand-new concept under the development codename "NX". - Iwata, March 2015

"What the other companies are doing makes business sense, but it's boring. The same games appear on every system. At Nintendo we want an environment where game creators can collaborate and think of ideas for games that could have never happened before." - Miyamoto, Nov 2014

"A unique software experience can always be realized with unique hardware that has a unique interface. That is why I believe Nintendo is, and will be, sticking to these dedicated gaming machines." - Miyamoto, August 2014

"We just don't care too much about what other companies are doing or are trying to do. Our primary focus is to think about and actually carry out something which [another] company's hardware can never realize." - Iwata, June 2013

" From my perspective, with regard to the more powerful hardware systems, to me what still remains incredibly important is the developers maintaining a focus on creating unique games because if all that everyone does is uses the enhanced power to create more and more games that look and feel the same, then all that it becomes is a competition about the power of the hardware rather than the uniqueness of the experience. That, to me, is where developers should be devoting their effort." - Miyamoto, June 2013

“it’s not just about power alone, but how to balance what you’re offering in terms of power with cost. I’m very happy with the balance that we’ve been able to strike. What’s left is how developers use it.” - Miyamoto, June 2012

"We just don’t care what kind of “more beef” console Microsoft and Sony might produce in 2013." - Iwata, June 2012

[greenmeanie]

Then they are going to fail... simple as that!

[Mr Marvel]

If this is a console, you just lost already Nintendo.

Releasing after the PS4/Xbone gives you a chance to use newer & better hardware at an affordable price, but yet again you drop the ball.

I want to love Nintendo again, but they keep doing their best to push me away... along with every 3rd party developer.

[ThatchHatScotty]

Hey Boys, turns out he lied, take a look at this!

https://twitter.com/Doctor_...

[Shineon]

They need new management badly

[DeusXxx]

Thats stupid. Surely by now prices for hardware up to PS4 standards have dropped. Whats the point if it's not even on par with Xbox and Ps4? More gimmick stuff? Nintendo made major bank with the Wii gimmick but those days are over. Casuals game on smartphones now and the hardcore folk want power. If I was Nintendo I would shoot for MORE powerful than a PS4. That way they get the best looking third party games and the have their own library of exclusives to go with it. It's a win win. Nintendo is going to die like Sega and become a game publisher. On the plus side we will eventually get to play Nintendo games on other systems. Which sounds better to me anyway.

[sonic989]

they never said its a next gen or a successor to the wiiu people are assuming thats the case .
also remember they will start from zero they need something to catch attention more powerful hardware will put them on the same situation as sega with the dreamcast .
Sony and microsoft are already cutting the costs of their consoles nintendo DO NOT like to take losses on hardware they like to make profitable hardware and with sony and microsoft always on the cutting edge of cost reduction they cant compete with that .
beside the 3rd party deals ( marketing and exclusive content) and a whole load of stuff they dont want to compete in .
the wiiu had a good 3rd party support at the start of its life it was better than now but it didnt do anything .
i understand why they want to differentiate themselves from the rest , again they never said its a next gen or a successor we should wait without making stupid conclusions i believe it will be less powerful but you know more power doesnt equal better sales the PS2 was a clear example here and also the wii .

nintendo spends little money compared to sony and microsoft yet they get the same profit numbers example :
lets say sony got 20 billions dollars but spent 16 billion the rest is profit .
nintendo got 6 billions but spent only 1 billion you get the idea right .

[StormLegend]

It doesn't need more power...

Just look at the 3DS

The NX need games!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I mean a lot of Nintendo games.

Mario
Zelda
Bayonetta 3
Splatoon 2
Freaking pokemon!!!
kid icarus
Donkey kong
Kirby
Pikmin

Sequels to other games as well like
Starfox Adventure 2
Mario Sunshine 2
Marion Galaxy 3
Sonic adventure battle 3

it's not that hard for Nintendo..

[Last_Boss]

Go for the gusto Nintendo, spend the money to make the money. Aim for power, but don't sacrifice it all in that direction.

[DeadManMMX]

Lack of third party support and AAA games confirmed.

[BigDuo]

It's utterly pointless for Nintendo to make a console directly competitive against PlayStation and Xbox. What's the point in offering a PS4 copycat machine when people already own a PS4 in the first place or a PS5 when it comes out? Why would third party sales do well on such a Nintendo machine ? Nintendo has an infamous track record with demographic and marketing issues regardless of how powerful or weak their home consoles have been. Hardware power alone is not a magical solution to Nintendo's fundamental problems even if they were to improve their online service and have third party support. It does not guarantee good third party sales and third parties will either reduce or flat out abandon any platform that is not viable to their business.

[s45gr32]

I see the hybrid of a console fused with a handheld 😁

[danny818]

don't want to believe this rumor but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this happened. Its pretty sad to see that it will get poor 3rd party support and end up something like the wiiU, which seems like Nintendo is trying to run away from atm.

[TeamLeaptrade]

I'll believe it when it's officially announced. I have high hopes this will be the first Nintendo console in a long time to be able to compete with Sony and MS in terms of power. The Wii, even though sold like hotcakes, didn't pose a big threat to the PS3 and Xbox 360. While the Wii U did up their power, they got there a bit late as PS4 and Xbox One were nearly out.

In order for Nintendo to have a chance this gen, they need to create a console that 3rd party developers want to create games for. The NX needs to be as powerful, or more powerful than the Xbox One and PS4, and now's the time to do it.

I don't want to see Nintendo in 3rd place again. I would like it to be nearly an equal playing field for all consoles.

[sonic989]

what you just said might sound good for general people but if you go for deep understanding it doesnt make sense .
and here is why :
-nintendo will start from zero and the rest are way ahead of them and by the time they start getting their feet going a next gen PS and xbox will be around the corner already made their investment obsolete so it makes sense to make your own cycle and your own market and not directly compete .
- going for a low price and low manufacturing cost is a smart choice since the console wont be at the same situation as the dreamcast, also nintendo dont like to take losses in hardware , so going against sony and microsoft who are welling to take losses and always on the cutting edge of cost reduction it will be a very hard war add 3rd party deals to the mix and woow it will be just unbearable again they are starting from zero so making a powerful hardware will put them on a price disadvantage and they will need to spend more money to get the internal development up with speed along with 3rd party deals thats too much and for what a share from the PS4 and Xbox one market which is already hard and expensive .
- the gamecube was good hardware wise but failed compared to the wii
- finally nintendo never stated its a next gen system they said its a brand new concept of a home console which people automatically assumed is a next gen system.
i believe thats how companies work they think and figure out issues otherwise i will be very disappointed if they think like general people because that will lead them to go out of business .
every company should plan carefully and play on their advantages sony ( electronics and hardware ) microsoft ( software and tech ) nintendo ( intellectual properties ) .

[Trolltroll]

What is a "core gamer"? And why are they all A holes?

[RedTriangle53]

So in essence Nintendo has chosen to fall right out of the competition at launch. Cause they sure as hell don't seem to be competing at an innovation or IP-level either.

[KryptoniteTail]

"NX is planning to fail" is what I read.

[jts1891]

Let them try. It'll be the death of Nintendo in the traditional console market. They'll still flourish in handhelds, of course, but they have no chance of competing with Sony or MS if they continue this whole 'let's put out underpowered consoles, fuck third party support' attitude they've had since the Wii.

[sonic989]

you cant blame them the game cube wasnt successful even though it had good hardware .
the most successful thing they had was the wii and honestly they played it wisely as we know they arent an electronic company or a software giant both which have an infinite number of engineers they were unique .
releasing a powerful console now is pointless they will be at price disadvantage since you know both sony and microsoft will cut the price of their systems and as soon as they start to find a place for them in that PS4 and X1 market a next gen PS and xbox will be around the corner .
so wiser for them to get their own market i am sure they are planning something to distinguish themselves from the PS4 and X1 because that market is so competitive and its a little bit too late to join in in 2016 .( thats my opinion and my observations ) .

[RPGrinder]

If the people here represent "core gamers", humanity is in trouble. They do not read and they know nothing of Nintendo

[KentBlake]

Wow. Talk about not learning from your mistakes.

[fatneal]

my thoughts:

NX will be detailed next year ;)

[GoPanthers999]

A handheld, portable system that can connect to a TV via a hub and connect to wireless controllers. One set of games for the system, allowing them to double the amount of games each year for the singular system. That's what I am thinking, we'll see.

[godmachine]

if the nx is a console and doesnt have the guts to beat out ps4 it will be doa.....the west likes its games pretty just how it is

[Ck1x]

Here's what people should be discussing, if Nintendo is rumored to expect 20 million sold in the first year. What have they come up with? That's a lofty goal by any companies standards and even selling half of that would be a great achievement on their part. Nintendo for all the mistakes they may make, they get alot more things right then they do wrong. Gamers are funny and fickle because you would think that variety is a good thing to have in this industry, but most of your comments read like you just want each company to be a clone of the next. If Samsung came into gaming with a high spec machine and started securing 3rd party exclusive left and right, most of you would completely forget who Sony or Microsoft was... let's be honest, their's no true loyalty when it comes to technology, if that was the case Sony tvs would be flying off the shelves and their phones would be the #1 selling smart devices

[WizzroSupreme]

Is it aiming for the Xbox One's power level?

[PigPen]

I don't care, I'm buying it day one.