Sony ‘has the ambition of making sure PS4 is home of fighting games,’ says Capcom

PS4 seeks to become the 'home of fighting games' as Capcom's relationship with Sony strengthens.

[ABizzel1]

Smart thing to do. If you dominate a genre then fans of that genre will pick your console up, knowing it's the go to for said genre.

Same thing 360 did with the FPS last-gen.

This gen it seems to be all about open world.

[ltachiUchiha]

I feel like alot of japanese devs last gen tried too hard to attract the western crowd and kinda lost alot of fans in the process. Im glad they went back to their roots. The more JRPG's, the better.

[ABizzel1]

Agreed.

I think they saw the JP console gaming market was shrinking, but it's the fact that they're JP games that the western audience, buys their games anyway. They're unique and different.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Very true. Even Square seems to have come back home, early this generation. I certainly wasn't expecting their E3 conference to be as good as it was. Never mind FFVII.

[Blaze929]

Hmm, i guess this is why the Ultra SF4 tournament at Evo 2015 will be played on XBOX 360.

[silvacrest]

the PS4 version was suppoed to be the definitive edition, instead it was a shambles, that is the only reason.

besides this may very well be the last SF4 Evo

[DragonKnight]

Just because Sony has the ambition, doesn't mean Capcom does. At least when it comes to choosing a developer that can port properly, which isn't a problem exclusive to them.

[Artemus]

@DragonKnight, @bruce755

Sony produced and published the PS4 version, so it was Sony's fault, they were in charge of the port and they chose the developer.

EDIT: http://blog.us.playstation....

First paragraph:
"What’s more, [SCEA’s] Third Party Production is producing and publishing both titles for those platforms."

[DragonKnight]

@Artemus: Ultra Street Fighter 4 was ported to PS4 by Other Ocean Interactive and Capcom made assurances that the input lag from the PS3 version would be fixed and they weren't. Sony did not develop the game, nor port it. Production and Publishing doesn't mean they were responsible for the port.

It's Capcom's fault for lying about the input lag and choosing a substandard development team to port the game.

[Artemus]

@DragonKnight

Wtf are you talking about, producing and publishing something does exactly mean that you are responsible for it, period.

Yes, Capcom had its share of blame, but lets not pretend Sony didn't have anything to do with it when they were completely in charge of the PS4 port, they were the ones that outsourced the project to Other Ocean.

[PurpHerbison]

USFIV and UMvC3 are the only major fighters that have to be ran on 360 because the PS3 versions are inferior. (PS4 version of USFIV is now on par with 360 after the 2nd patch)
Majority of competitive fighting games are still ran on Sony hardware. P4AU is ran on PS3, TTT2 is ran on PS3, UNIEL is ran on PS3, MKX is ran on PS4, GGXrd is ran on PS3, and I'm sure the smaller communities such as Skullgirls run on PS3 as well.
In short, nothing is changing. Sony has always been home for fighting games.

[Snookies12]

@Artemus - Sure, the port was a bad choice on Sony's end, but they're only half to blame for it. Capcom take the other half. They didn't bother making the definitive edition of their main fighting franchise in house, like they should have. If Capcom had actually cared enough to do it themselves, we wouldn't have had port issues.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Actually there's a very specific reason it's on the 360, as it has been for years, and it only came down to timing. Please don't be that guy.

[kingdom18]

That is exactly what they did with JRPGs.

[ChronoJoe]

If they want to dominate the genre then they're going to need something like Smash.

The difference between these fighters and Smash, is accessibility. Smash gets more sales and more players at tournaments because the game is easy to pick up and play. While Street Fighter and games alike are fantastic titles, it's nice to have more accessible titles like Smash to draw people into the genre.

[Aloy-Boyfriend]

If this is true, then they should revive Bloody Roar. That fighting game series was great on PS1.

[Angeljuice]

I don't think they will be taken seriously as a true fighting platform until they have a new Clay Fighter and Rise of the Robots commissioned. /s

[bit-crusherrrr]

Pah, they are nothing. I demand a HD remake of the atari jaguar classic Kasumi Ninja. Then and only then is it serious.

[bouzebbal]

Being a fan of fighting games I cannot be happier.
Now please give us snk vsg capcom 3. Pleaaaaaase !
I miss a good rival schools as well. That series is fire !
Next is maybe Tekken vs SF. A Tekken announcement is planned for the coming days.
*fingers crossed*

[boing1]

Announcement is supposed to be T7 related. Personally, all I want from Namco is TTT2 remaster for current gen. That's the only game I'm using my PS3 for at this moment.

[PurpHerbison]

SNK vs Capcom would be cool. I trust SNK wouldn't dumb their game down. Capcom on the other hand tries to appeal to everyone in their fighters as of late. Even in SFV they are doing lame things like removing close normals and taking away "complicated" motions such as 360 and 720 motions. Always slightly worried when it comes to Capcom these days. Not to say CvS3 wouldn't be a good game, I just think a new SvC would align more with what I want from a fighter.

[pompombrum]

Being honest, PS4 was likely to be the home of fighters regardless of this exclusive deal but ultimately this exclusive deal will benefit SF fans.

[Multiplatguy]

How does this deal benefit SF fans? This is the same as Tomb Raider, it neither benefits the game nor the fans.

I don't quite understand how this makes PS the home of fighters either.

[pompombrum]

Everybody who buys SF5 will be able to play together. That benefits fans as it keeps the community together. It just doesn't benefit Xbox fans.

[LightofDarkness]

@aiBreeze: cross platform play is not difficult this generation. They could easily allow it.

[Baka-akaB]

It's a no brainer than having access to cross play with PC is going to benefits SF fans imo . It's a pity that it's not multi and cross play everywhere , but every concerned parties had a chance to chimes in at some point

[DragonKnight]

@LightofDarkness: Cross-platform by itself is not difficult, cross-platform between Xbox and PS4 is not going to happen. Ever.

[Charybdis]

Last gen most most matches were played on the 360 due to less input lag etc.
With SF going exclusive to sony there will probably be a few pissed of people. I do think the fighting game community will try to stick to one platform.
With killer instinct on the xb1 and their proven support of these (fighting) game tournaments I honestly didn't expected SF to be sony exclusive.

[pompombrum]

I honestly didn't expect SF to be exclusive but Killer Instinct aside, most other fighters preferred platform is the PS. I think MK has a better following on Xbox but even then, PS4 is the platform of choice for offline events.

[Baka-akaB]

Pretty much only SF4 had an impact favoring the 360 on the tournament and online scenes . Ultimate Marvel took a long time to switch to 360 for tournaments because again of tech issues . Many fighting games were japanese centric and "anime" styled game that found a bigger home on ps consoles .

And then there is Killer Instinct on XB1 , wich is still relatively new , and following by a fanbase , but not that wildly popular .

[Charybdis]

@aiBreeze
I see your point as I do believe that mortal combat will be played on the ps4 on the next evo. However ultra street fighter and marvel vs capcom will still be on the x360 if I remember correctly.
edit:Other fighting games at evo 2015 on ps3 are guilty gear x and persona 4. http://evo.shoryuken.com/ad...

[Christopher]

Not sure where you get your data, but last generation most fighter games were played on PS3 for competition. EVO was pretty much PS3 centric.

[Charybdis]

@ cristopher
Mostly from watching streams from competitions. To be fair I am not really familiar with fighting games such as guilty gear x and persona 4. But thats what I learned after looking up what gonna be on evo 2015 (see official link in my other comment).
If there is information or data available saying otherwise feel free to point me towards always happy to learn new things

[Ol_G]

This deal doesn't benefit SF fans it only benefits Sony fans.
Being a SF fan doesn't mean you own a ps4 so saying it's good for the community is BS cause part of the community that bought a X1 is cut off so how does it benefit the community?
And i'm saying this as a ps4 and wii u owner i don't even own an x1 and only have 1 friend and 2 nephews who have one but let's be honest the only who benefits from this is Sony not the fans of the series

And ofcourse the fanboys start disagreeing instead of bringing up a valid reason and explain how the community benefits from this

[pompombrum]

Having everything centred around a single platform is of great benefit to the community, especially seeing how Capcom are pushing the competitive side of things. Just look at MK, official online events are on X1 while offline events are on PS4, for those competing in that game, it has to be an unnecessary headache.

Also thinking long term, everyone being able to play each other is going to be great three years down the line instead of having a split userbase like on SF4.

This doesn't just benefit Sony fans but the FGC as a whole. I see what you're saying and it kind of does suck for those who just want to own an Xbox One but as someone with no console loyalties but a huge fan of SF and everything FGC related, the benefits of this deal far outweigh the negatives.

If cross platform was available between X1 and PS4 and peripherals like fight sticks were compatible with both consoles, then yeah there would be little benefits to this deal however as things stand now, for SF fans, this exclusive deal benefits them.

[Spotie]

For one, most fighting game fans buy PlayStation consoles. This is more or less an established fact, based on how sales of every multiplat fighting game are better on PlayStation.

For another, being able to play cross-platform benefits the fans; that's happening because of Sony. Indeed, Microsoft has been pretty adamant about NOT allowing cross-platform outside of a few examples.

Lastly, it benefits Street Fighter fans because the game is actually being made now, as opposed to being many years down the road. If you can't see how that's good for SF fans...

[Artemus]

Everyone seems to forget that Sony is partially funding SF5, in other words: no Sony exclusivity = no SF5. So of course Sony's deal with Capcom benefits SF fans.

[theshredded]

the first real next gen fighting gane which will be the first to earn my full $60 just like Bloodborne did. Now I need to see Tekken

[triple_c]

Wow, didn't Capcom just state that they wanted to steadily develop games for the PS4? As time goes by it seems like Capcom is hopping on board more and more with Sony just like a lot of the 3rd parties are. I can definitely sense more PS4 exclusives from Capcom in the foreseeable future.

[RocketScienceLvlStuf]

Maybe RE 7 will be a PS4 exclusive?

[triple_c]

Maybe. I was actually thinking more along the lines of a new Clock Tower/Haunting Ground game or a new Maximo. I doubt those are coming back but I'd love to see 1 of those franchises revived. 1 can dream right? lol

[Artemus]

@triplec

Oh man, a new Clock Tower / Haunting Ground / Maximo would be FUCKING awesome. Capcom pls.

[BG11579]

Not just that. I tried SFV today, and the is quite solid.
I was kind of septic before, but damn, I was definitely wrong to be so.

[timlot]

I'love Street Fighter...

[timlot]

I'll pick up the Definitive Edition on PC.

[q8kik]

More like the cheaters infested edition......

[Kribwalker]

That play against PS4 players with cross play

[DragonKnight]

With the way PC ports have been handled lately, I wouldn't be so quick to call it the Definitive Edition. Currently, the definitive edition of Batman Arkham Knight is on PS4.

[deadpoolio316]

Yeah cause Sony FUNDING the project totally means the PC version will totally be the definitive edition not the Sony owned platform....Sorry Sony doesn't come along and buy exclusivity 3 quarters of the way through a games development

[nevin1]

Wasn't PS1/PS2/PS3 home of fighters too?

[BillytheBarbarian]

No. Sony's dpad ruined fighting games. Dreamcast was the last dedicated fighting game console. Soul Calibur, Street Fighter 3, DOA2, King of Fighters, Power Stones 1&2, Marvel versus Capcom 1&2, Capcom versus SNK, Virtua Fighter 3tb, Ready to Rumble 2, Mortal Kombat Gold, MK4, ... Then the ultimate fighter jrpg SHENMUE. It was a great 3 years with Dreamcast.

[DragonKnight]

"No. Sony's dpad ruined fighting games."

https://pbs.twimg.com/profi...

[Spotie]

This guy..

[BillytheBarbarian]

Try playing SF2 on a PSP and see how you like that dpad? It's on all sony's controllers. Sega made the best dpads ever.

I wish they'd make 6 button controllers for Xbox/PS4 now. That would be a dream.

[Spotie]

So the article is about a console, you bring up a console, then you mention a handheld as an example of how EVERY d pad is bad?

I mean, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but somehow I am, anyway.

Really, though. Weren't half those games on PS2, anyway? And weren't there dozens of fighters on PS2 not found on Dreamcast, such as the Arcana Heart series? And didn't the PS2's ability to play all the PS1 fighters make it that much MORE the fighting game console over the Dreamcast?

[BillytheBarbarian]

Am I the only person who mods?

PSP was an example because of it's emulation. A lot of people used it for SNES and Genesis games. Until they realized the Dpad was junk. Which is the same craptacular pad they use in all Duel S. named controllers because people have adapted to analog. I can't do analog in fighters. When modding for other people I usually set them up with a USB Genesis/Saturn pad.

Sony's are dead last to bother with...well last with those nasty Xbox pads...the newer ones with the turning piece are much better than the original pack ins.

[Artemus]

Did you know current SF4 EVO champ Luffy plays on a PS1 pad? I'm not saying Sony's dpad is the best, but certainly is not as bad as you make it sound.

Also, the Dreamcast was indeed a great fighting game console, but I'm sorry its dpad was garbage.

[BillytheBarbarian]

Wow, Luffy would destroy way harder with a good pad. It would be like running in water for years and then running out of the water and blasting past everyone. He'd be even better

[DarXyde]

@Billy,

The PSP d-pad was a bit of a mess...that is if the game wasn't made to take heed to its setup. Fighting games that actually used it properly (Blazblue and Tekken for example) actually did very well.

Now the PSP D-pad is not at all indicative of what the console or PS Vita D-pads are like. Those are solid for fighters.

Let's not forget Nintendo consoles; they make phenomenal d-pads. The Wii remote, classic controller, Wii U Gamepad and Wii U Pro controller all have great D-pads.

[Gunstar75]

I thought the saturn / neo geo were in the earlier days?

[muddman86]

sony in good terms with capcom. i just hope monster hunter comes to psvita

[deadpoolio316]

What is hard to grasp, Nintendo has a deal with Capcom on Monster Hunter.....They are pretty much exclusive to Nintendo platforms

[gamer7804]

while this is smart for sony, those who lose out are the fans. To try to dominate an entire genre is basically making a mini monopoly. That said, while street fighter is a staple of the genre, i doubt we'll see most other fighting games follow suite. (Tekken, DOA, SC, etc).

[Angeljuice]

It's not like they can force MS not to release any fighting games, they're simply focussing attention on the genre and going for exclusive deals on certain titles.

[remixx116]

SONY....BRING BACK UMVC AND MAKE SURE HSIEN KO IS IN IT........I'LL PAY TRIPLE YOUR ASKING PRICE DAMNIT..........ASSIMILATE!!!! !!

Also I'd me more than happy with a darkstalkers reboot...

[Veneno]

Capcom's next fighter will most likely be CvS3 or Darkstalkers. Maybe MvC4 in a few years.

[deadpoolio316]

A what the hell does Sony have to do with Marvel vs Capcom......Besides nothing...

AND B Disney took back ALL of their game rights from EVERY publisher so Capcom can't make anything they don't have a license to use, they also cannot even patch UMvC 3 without getting Disney's permission....

[Rookie_Monster]

Nope, my PC with both SFV and KI next year will be the ultimate system for fighters.

[deadpoolio316]

You enjoy that second class port of SFV, Sony didn't fund development of the game to get a second rate port so PS4 version will be getting all the attention..

And yeah LMAO you enjoy that KI port, done by the same people who did the Arkham Knight port...

[Father__Merrin]

I want naughty dogs Way Of The Warrior that I used to have on 3do

[Angeljuice]

3DO was an amazing console. Shame the M2 "Bulldog" never happened.

[topgeareasy]

Sony X Capcom

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

what make you think that would be great idea. Especially considering Sony poor handling with PlayStation Allstars.

[topgeareasy]

It will be made by capcom and play like MVC or CAPCOM VS SNK

[Majin-vegeta]

CAPCOM VS SNK3 make it happen Sony&Capcom.

[LexHazard79]

You forgot SNK. Cant make without their approval aSwell. I would like to see CvSnk3 and Darkstalkers.

[travestyj]

Bring back Bloody Roar please. I'd do anything... anything.

[Der_Kommandant]

Playstation being home of fighting games It's a tradition.

[Vasto]

Nah, I will just play Street Fighter on PC. The other fighting games I will play on Xbox One. Xbox One has the best controller of any console and the best online network. That's are the 2 things I need for Fighting Games.

[Gohadouken]

Except that was the 360 and for a selection of games ... No multiplatform fighting games has proven to run any better online on XBO .

Hell when it comes to online and all genres , there isnt even a multiplatform game running better on XBO , compared to their PS4 counterpart .

I'll conceed the controller thing , it's purely subjective , and arcade stick are what i require and prefer anyway to either controllers .

Other than that we only got an example of a great netcode for Killer Instinct .

[Vasto]

When you own both systems you don't need a website to tell you whats better about them.

Xbox One controller is better and Xbox Live is better.

http://www.pushsquare.com/n...

http://thetechzealot.com/20...

[Gohadouken]

Ironically you're the one using BS links that got little to do with the matter discussed here , as proof , yet mentioning the need of websites .

I'm discussing online performance in games , your links absolutely dont , and discuss problems with downloads and the worth of subscriptions .

And if you actually owned both like some of us do , you'd know how ridiculous you're sounding .

There are too many ps4 owners that were formely 360 users , they'd never shut up about having online issues in games like COD , and most multiplatforms .

[Vasto]

Read my original post. I am discussing which has the better online network. Xbox Live is better then PSN in everything.

The links are not for me they are for you and they are talking about more then downloads and the worth of subscription. LMAO

PSN Vasto_Horde
Xbox Live VastoHorde

Feel free to look them up for verification.

BTW, PSN went down again today. Check any forum on the topic and see how people are upset with PSN.

[xActionBasturdx]

What other fighting games...KI...MKX...Tekken?I can play MKX and tekken ans SF on my ps4...KI is a mess of a fighting game you can keep

[StrayaKNT]

Ki> any fight fighting game iMo and I have been playing fighting games since snes days

[xActionBasturdx]

@Aussie

That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in reference to fighting games...it's a reason why every year for the past 6 years street fighter always was the main event at every major and KI wasn't even an honorable mention

[_-EDMIX-_]

Thats nice....does it translate into sales? When your competition is selling more then double, those conserns are pretty much just mere subjective opinions. I game on PSN all the time and have zero issue with it. Put like 200 hours in BF4 on PS4, put well over 700 hours in BFBC2 on PS3, 300 hours in TF2 on PS3, 600 plus hours in COD4, 70 hours in CODW2 (wasn't as good as COD4 lol) but I can very much state that all gamers really want to do is connect, message, add friends, no lag etc.

With the HUGE millions on PSN on many PS systems, I'm sorry but its just not that big of a deal, if their is a difference, its too small for most to care.

For me putting literally thousands of hours in MP games during a gen, I can legit tell you I don't care about those claimed differences. At the end of the day, I can connect, I can message, I can add friends, buy content etc. The difference in performance is way, way too small for me to actually care if I'm clearly still gaming online on PS.

Again....look at the numbers, who is buying one vs another based on such a thing?

24 million PS4's say otherwise.

[Vasto]

Read my original post. I am discussing which has the better online network. Xbox Live is better then PSN in everything.

The links are not for me they are for you. LMAO

PSN Vasto_Horde
Xbox Live VastoHorde

Feel free to look them up for verification.

BTW, PSN went down again today. Check any forum on the topic and see how people are upset with PSN.

[Viper7]

Well they could start by adding native support for PS3 controllers because D-pad of DS4 is godawful for fighting games.

[ShoryuSwordsman]

Disagree. I actually prefer the ds4 now. At first it was awkward, but now I feel right at home with it, to the point where the ds3 feels weird.

[Viper7]

You can disagree all you want. I play fighting games quite a lot, even competitively in the local scene and conventions.

Tried Ds4 for two weeks playing Guilty Gear Xrd and Blazblue CP. Had a lot of troubles with half-circle and quarter-circle movements and the DP motion was just awful with it.

Then the D-pad wore out and no longer gives any physical feedback when directional is pressed. It's like it's stuck down. Stiff D-pad is worst thing that controller can have for fighters.

[Baka-akaB]

I disagree too , but hey you feel how you feel . I prefer the Ds4 dpad , it reminds me of the Vita one , wich was great for fighting games .

It's actually smoother than the DS3 , and clicky , wich i prefer . The DS3 Dpad i found ok , and better obviously that the default's 360 dpad , but rigid and stiff .

I actually even played some of my ps3 fighting games for a while with the DS4 , and found it good .

It doesnt even matter anymore , i mostly play on arcade stick , but know that at least i can always count on DS3-4 to be solid performers should i be somewhere without a stick .

And the Vita's D pad is better than both PS pads anyway

[Viper7]

When doing 236 or Quarter-circle with Vita d-pad you can hear a distinct click and feel a very noticeable physical feedback from the change. Not so with DS4 that provides you literally no feedback whatsoever from that motion.

I was constantly dropping 632146 and 2363 motions with Ds4 which I did well with the Ds3 and really well with vita.

[xActionBasturdx]

Fightstick is obviously the solution to this problem

[Viper7]

Not if you prefer Pads, a lot of high level competitive players use Ds3 and Ds2 for their fighting games. It's more about preference than anything else really.

Solution is likely to use fightpad, 3rd party controller or something like CronusMAX.

Ps4 / XB1 do not even support majority of the Ps3/X360 fight sticks which is ridiculous.

[Deathdeliverer]

Your execution just sucks. I have no problem adjusting to any controller, stick or what have you. PS4 pad is excellent for fighting games. I'll gladly play you on stream in any fighter you choose. Saying you can't do a fundamental quarter circle motion successfully is embarrassing. Only controller that gave me that much hell was the 360. I also played competitively at planet zero right here in Houston when it was up. Fix your skills, not the controller.

[Viper7]

I am not the only one that has problems with the pad
http://testyourmight.com/th...

There's no reason for me to adjust to it, there are better alternatives. Last thing I want is to break the D-pad or whatever from my second controller while trying to adjust to it.

I live in Norther Europe so it would be particularly impossible to have good enough connection to match offline play. Any sort of latency just kills it for fighting games.

[PaleMoonDeath]

I wonder.. if this whole Capcom PC/PS4 combo works well, if other developers will do the same, it seems to be the ultimate way forward for online play too, DayZ for example would be awesome with cross platform online play.

Early days but y'know, one can hope!

[PizzaSteve]

Playstation is where it's at for fighters.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

If that's their ambition....then make one 1st party and don't try and buy your way to it.

[dkp23]

I wonder what the comments would be if cap on chose xbone.

[iTechHeads]

Considering there's so many more PS4 owners out there, it would have been the complete opposite reaction.

[DDOS-DelDaemonicOSes]

With Sony delaying their major holiday titles two years in a row (really three, if you count launch title delays), botching the SF4 release, losing their PS4 anniversary contest winners, forgetting to renew their Bloodborne trademark, and getting hacked AGAIN last year... their ambition should instead be to quit appearing disorganized and unable to deliver "#4theplayers".

[Duoma]

-Bloody roar
-Power stone
- a rebooted psychic force 2012
-rebooted virtual-on
-new samurai showdown
-Rival Schools
-Soul caliber for current systems
-Fatal Fury
-King of Fighters

please bring these back

[Enigma_2099]

FTFY

[iTechHeads]

I thought Sony was broke though? People need to get their anti-Sony messaging straight. Pick one and run with it.

[thricetold]

So much salt. Even more is it's only going to get worse for xbone fans in the very near future. 2016 is going to be a bad year for xbone fans, they won't see another exclusive until the holiday season while sony starts an avalanche of games and new ips rolling out.

Not to mention the 3rd party exclusives sure to follow in the coming years. As well as ms hitting that switch to force an always online connection in the future whenever they feel like they have enough market share and xbone fans locked in and too invested to end that bad relationship.

This is gonna be good.

[blazin8]

I would hope to not lose fighting games to playstation only having an xbox.

[DualWielding]

having a d-pad that doesn't suck and is where it should be its a major advantage when it comes to fighting games

[masterfox]

I have always seen the PS4 the home for fighting games since lots of years ago, dont know why this is news but ok is cool, thanks for the reminder 😀

[optimus]

I wouldn't worry too much about this. Gamers are not that into fighting games as much as they used to. I remember when the genesis was "the fighting game console" and nintendo wasn't hurt by it. Capcom needs the full support from ANY company really as they have been hurting for years since they lost the #1 developer spot.

[iNFAMOUZ1]

too bad they arent

[Jag-T1000]

They will never get Killer Instinct!

[StrayaKNT]

Best fighting game ever made imo

[feelforlove]

"343 are the best fps devs in the industry dude"

HAHAHAHA HAHA they made 1 game which scored 87 on metacritic and they're already the best?

"look at destiny before you mention bungie ever again lol"

i agree. Bungie was garbage even when they where under Microsoft.

[Azzanation]

Cant be home to fighting games if they are missing one of the best fighting games in KI. SF5 is a good answer to KI but KI is also a good answer to SF5.

Unless you can get all the fighting games, you cant really claim king of a genre especially when your opposition has one of the good ones.

MS doesn't really need SF5 on Xbox because its coming to Windows anyway, so is KI. The best fighting platform is PC because its getting everything and it also has the choice of controllers to pick from.

[Gohadouken]

You can if you simply aggregate almost all important fighting games on your Platform . And of course it's contigent to which titles are major to each fans .

I wouldnt consider SFV to even be an answer to KI ... SF is the ruling king and in a class of its own . Just like a Killzone can't really be considered , bare its die hard fans , as main challenger to Halo .

I dont buy the MS doesnt need SFV argument , just like i wouldnt MS doesnt need MK . As good as KI might be , it doesnt have their pull , yet at least

Anyway It's not just SFV , it's also titles like Guilty Gear and other upcoming (and past PS3/vita games coming ) , and multi titles organically doing better on PS like Tekken , that would cement the Platform as a lead for fighting games with PC .

[Azzanation]

I think you underestimate the popularity of KI. In the 90s it was up there as one of the best fighting games on arcades. SF5 is the oldest but not the best. The new KI has a very small user base compared to SF and MX which have been multiplatform releases for a very long time. If KI was multiplat it will be a lot bigger then it is now. Explains why MS are bringing it to PC.

Guilty Gears and Tekken aren't comparable to KI, KI is up there with MX and SF, possibly the 3rd biggest fighter out there.

If you want the ultimate fighting experience buy a PC because it ends up with mostly everything and the most important ones. KI and SF are both great fighting games and shouldn't be missed on either side of the fence.

[Gohadouken]

Current KI is nowhere near the level of sales and fame it had in the snes era . Which doesnt mean it's not great or missing a dedicated enough community .

And actually no KI wasnt bigger than Tekken . Tekken 3 is the second biggest selling fighting games of all time while the original Killer instinct admirably performed but got stuck around 3 million and enjoyed tremendeous success in arcade as well . And that was the original KI , KI2 was nowhere that close on N64 .

Killer Instinct , doesnt reach the top ten best selling fighting games of history .

Going back to Tekken , it dominated the fighting game scene in sales and arcade up to T5 before it started waning and getting tired . But it still got an easily stronger fanbase than current KI .

As for KI needing to be multi to be bigger , it's both true and false . Obviously it would and will get bigger with a new Platform ... but it's still getting a smaller fanbase on XB1 than titles like MKX also on XB1 .

And i never said Guilty gear is comparable , at least not in sales . I merely used it as an example of the titles from the genre currently missing on xb1 . And ( it , and other arcsys titles )not actually a title a fighting game fanatic can brush aside and ignore , excep obviously for taste related reasons , same as KI , considering their level of quality

I'm not even trying to disparage KI , despite what it probably looks like . But there is no denying than even without it , there is a stronger and bigger array of (all the other) fighting games on consoles . And once you do that , and are just missing KI in your Library (and obviously defunct and currently unused franchises) , it's still quite a feat for the genre representation .

PC too is a champ for the genre , has only been missing lately a few key titles like the latest arcsys games , and it will probably get them or the newer ones soon . I dont even know , why it needs to be precised here , , with emu and present support alone , the argument made here is clearly about consoles .

[Azzanation]

KI is a unique fighter and is best at what is does. Its all good to have the same type of fighting games that all play similar, however you cant say, missing out on 1 big franchise is nothing. Iv played all fighters and KI is my favourite because it has the best combo system and is the fastest fighting game on the market which suits me alot. Its sales aren't weak because they wouldn't be supporting it as much as there doing now.

KI in my opinion is the best KI ever made, its not as big as the predecessors because it lacks the arcade fame, KI is my favourite fighter followed by MK then SF. It doesn't bother me which one is more popular. However those are the 3 major ones I look at when looking at fighting games.

I don't judge a games quality based off its popularity, KI is a very good quality fighter and it as big in terms of AAA then that of MX and SF.

[Gohadouken]

Dude i get that you love the new KI , wich is fine , never argued it wasnt a good or great even game . But just because you clearly see is as the new messiah , you change the arguments for the heck of it

You announce KI as even bigger than Tekken , and one of the biggest franchises , and when disproved (it's actually very easy to check) ...

Now you're telling me "popularity doesnt matter" and you dont care . Ok fine , but then don't follow that line of arguments with erroneous stuff .

" KI is a unique fighter and is best at what is does. Its all good to have the same type of fighting games that all play similar"

I hope i'm reading wrong , and that you're not saying and believing that KI is the only unique fighting game out there . And that all others play similarly .if you do , that's ridiculous , and i'd seriously doubt your love for the genre as a whole .

"good to have the same type of fighting games that all play similar, however you cant say, missing out on 1 big franchise is nothing"

You can keep trying that angle , i'm not even saying it's a good thing to be missing KI on ps consoles . I merely argue that there are a plethora excellent titles that can be missed on one side , vs solely KI on the XB side . That's why fighting gamse will be the home of the genre on consoles , for now . XB1 is still missing notable games that are as critically acclaimed . The rest depends on wich each person prefers to have , if they can't have everything . Hell Smash bros is only on Nintendo consoles too .

You can't say that and act like "who cares about Guilty Gear Xrd , KI is more popular" like i sense in your post above .

"It doesn't bother me which one is more popular. However those are the 3 major ones I look at when looking at fighting games.
"

Then don't go there ... KI isnt winning that part , be it among the masses , tournaments amateurs , Stream monsters , Professional players . And judging about quality of games , netcode , fun etc , KI is hardly all alone with SF and MK , there are quite a few other contenders , once popularity isnt a criteria , or even with it factored in .

"its not as big as the predecessors because it lacks the arcade fame"

Arcade is only really a factor and necessity in Japan , china and korea now , some titles like MKX don't even have an arcade version , and are going strong in the west . Especially when net cofee /LAN spots can just have the games on a pc with sticks and pc

Anyway i'm done , tired of mostly being argued to that KI is excellent , wich was never disputed here . Good day

[Deathdeliverer]

If anyone thinks the new KI (or even the old one for that matter) are amongst the best fighters ever, the have not been playing fighting games long. The ease of play, wide open cancel windows, and easy fighting mechanics gives it casual appeal. It doesn't deserve to be mentioned with Street Fighter. Not even with Guilty Gear. Guilty Gears tournaments far exceed KI in attendance, not to mention the number of tournaments it appears in. Microsoft is trying desperately to get people interested by pumping up prize pools. Problem is most people try to compete in games they enjoy, not learn a game they don't for the potential to win some cash. Even Daigo is coming back to guilty gear after his long hiatus. KI as a top fighter.... Give me a break. It's not terrible by any means. But Vs tekken? Hell, I wouldn't put it against Under Night in Birth.

[ThichQuangDuck]

Give us Dark Stalkers and buy rights to Bloody Roar and fix PSN to be smooth and I am in