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SkyUI is Going Under a Paywall

Noobfeed Writes: "SkyUI is the first of likely many essential mods that have put themselves behind a paywall, and only time will tell which mods will follow the same path."

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Hazmat133285d ago

good for them, all the hard work they put into the mod, they should get some money out of it. (grabs popcorn)

morganfell3285d ago (Edited 3285d ago )

People think this will be a good thing eventually but it will not. People act as if the mods will also drastically improve but they won't. It will cause a lot more mods to be thrown at a game and most will be equally worthless. Wading through all the trash to find the diamond will be even more problematic. Mods for money rather than love of the game. Devs that are already lazy and complacent leaving more work to mod makers. Yes that has success written all over it.

I would like to see The Witcher devs step forward and block monetization of mods.

HammadTheBeast3285d ago

Well they're releasing their own modkit, but it's up to Steam how they work it out. Maybe they can allow mod hosting on GoG (owned by the guys who own CD Projekt Red).

Roccetarius3285d ago

Before Witcher 3 i'm positive they would block monetization of mods, but currently i'm not sure. The only way to know is to see what happens when the game releases.

morganfell3285d ago (Edited 3285d ago )

CD Projekt and/or the 6 publishers can forbid the monetization regardless of the delivery platform, including Steam. Monetization of mods on any game isn't the decision of Valve and Steam (unless they own the game property) but rather the relevant IP holder.

HeavenlySnipes3285d ago

Pretty sure there are already hundreds of shitty Skyrim mods out already. That's what sorting functions are for

As much as people are upset, I also support modders who have spent countless hours making our game more fun and are now asking for a little bit of money. People are throwing stones at them as if we're all entitled to their mods.

Also, being paid for something is more incentive to make sure the mod stays good/becomes better to keep the income comings, rather than trying to fix things for free and having angry people tell you how much you suck all while they still use your mod.

morganfell3285d ago

I also support mods. That is why nexus smartly has a donation application. Then good work can be freely rewarded and monetary compensation is truly earned.

Deividas3285d ago

@heavenlySnipes

They are not "asking" money for mods..they are "demanding" money for their mods. Big difference. If they wanted to ask for money, go with the route of tips and donations. Demanding money for mods is pathetic and toxic to the PC gaming community, no way to spin that into a positive at all.

Revolver_X_3285d ago

@Heavenly

SKYUI has been around for quite some time. I'm sure they have gotten their fair share of donations at this point. I have the latest version, so I guess their gonna add some petty stuff to justify an update purchase, no thx.

yellowgerbil3285d ago

first I'm not a PC gamer, but I do make content and freely distribute it online (webcomics) I am currently testing taking my work to a convention and selling it as a physical release, yet am continuing making the webcomic and keeping it free.
There is a big difference between greed (taking something once free and charging for it) and trying to make a living doing what you love (making something a bit more professional and offering it to those interested, while not shutting out the many that love your stuff)
Again as said this isn't a exactly similar situation, but I think it is a bit low to take something away and force people to pay to enjoy what was once free. Those modders should instead use their mods as a way to show what they can do and find some like minded people and make a game, use the mod to reach an audience and try to kickstart something, instead of being drug dealers (first times free...)

MRMagoo1233284d ago

The newest update is already on pirate sites, as a matter of fact so are all the now pay for mods, I get my mods from nexus tho , steam is a pile of junk for mods. This new idea of paying for mods on steam will die a fast death, no one will pay for them, especially considering the modders only get 25% of the money.

morganfell3284d ago

Saw this posted:

"eople who claim to "not understand" the backlash are either being cute in an attempt to make a point or are blessed with an incredibly short memory. Much of what now costs money in gaming used to be just a part of the experience. Some monetization is to be expected, but if you can look at the state of DLC, paying for the privilege of playing your games online and companies creating more and more vectors for DLC injection and be happy with the situation, I don't know what to say.

PC and mods have gone hand in hand since day 1. Mods have fixed broken games that have become known as the best the platform has to offer, from Arcanum to Baldur's Gate II to Oblivion. Bethesda allowing this for their games is particularly abhorrent, as much of the enjoyment out of every single one of their games has come from the long shelf life provided by modders.

Modders like Oscura have made careers out of their abilities and naturally formed fanbases. OOO saved Oblivion and Bethesda hired him. Very often, modders like him would create things that would be much better than anything the base team could come up with.

Just as often, though, they would create something that would break your game and you'd have to either uninstall or fix it. But hey, they were free, so no worries. Now, unlike say, DLC on XBL, there is no quality control and a price tag. Valve cannot reasonably test every mod that goes up for sale. But they can still make money off allowing the sales of broken mods through their service.

If you're still "confused" as to what the big deal is, Valve has essentially set up an easily abused system of monetization, with no possibility of oversight, no possible repercussions for people selling broken mods and no actual benefit to the end user. Combine that with their legendarily bad customer service, the immediate censorship that took place following the decision and the fact that this flies in the face of the very heart and soul of PC gaming as it has always stood, and maybe some of the "confusion" will start to fade."

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TrollsBringer3284d ago

You know what's gonna happen in the future? Someone will release a torrent full of all the paid mods.

OmegaShen3285d ago

Its no mods anymore, its called dlc. Can't cry about paying for dlc if you are willing to pay for mods.

Dasteru3285d ago

Well congrats Valve. You have just effectively destroyed the modding community.

Fireseed3285d ago

How would you feel if you went to work tomorrow and were told "we're not paying you anymore, you should just love to do this"

Yi-Long3285d ago

Nobody is/was forcing modders to create stuff. It was about the love and joy of creating and sharing cool content and improving everyone's experience, as a community.

Now it will just be about greed.

Also, your comparison makes no sense. People work to make a living, so when they stop getting paid, they'll find another job.

Fireseed3285d ago

@Yi

No one forces musicians to make music, and yet when they do it would benefit them to be paid to continue to do so.

And to some modders that's the only thing they're good at. So why not make a living in it?

fallacious3285d ago

Great logic there. Now instead of game devs actually finishing games, like bethesda and their "completed" games. now they can just release even more half-assed games and have us pay for mods to make it "better".

Fireseed3285d ago (Edited 3285d ago )

@fallacious

Yes, that is exactly what's going to happen. Games are only going to get rough geometric shapes as characters and will now cost 400$ a day to play. Gaming is ruined, the past time you know and love is dying. All because an artist wanted to get paid for their work.

fallacious3285d ago

If these artists wanted to get paid, they wouldn't be making mods and distributing them for free in the first place. No one asked for mods to be paid for, probably not even the modders expected this.

Fireseed3285d ago

@fallacious

Actually, yes a good amount of modders have wanted this for a while. Most modders modders would like to spring into a full on career but this industry is VERY hard to crack into.

DragonKnight3285d ago

@Fireseed: OMG, you ARE that thick. No one was making a living off of mods. This was never anyone's job. Until now you couldn't sell mods, so your examples are not even close to being the same thing. Mods were always a gesture of good will from devs to the gaming community, modders took advantage of that good will gesture and made the most out of it out of passion. There was never an expectation of making a living off it. Geez.

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edqe3285d ago

No, it is up to mod makers. Valve is not forcing mod makers to sell their mods.

kma2k3285d ago

so should i download it now & fuck the paywall in the future? Or i just wont be able to get updates & why bother at this point?

Revolver_X_3285d ago

Its just a UI. I don't see what they could add that would be a MUST HAVE over the version on Nexus. Kinda stupid if you ask me.

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Dragon’s Dogma 2 releases to mixed user reviews, as microtransactions criticised

Players can pay to edit their character, resurrect the dead and other actions.

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AdonisIsBeast31d ago

Who cares as long as it’s optional

phoenixwing31d ago

paying to edit your character is kind of crap as far as microtransactions go

Xristo31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

I hate any/all MTX in a paid game (especially a full-price game)... but know that you can spend in-game currency (RC), which you get from killing mobs, to completely remake your character.

phoenixwing31d ago

@xRisto how much did it change the gameplay though? Changing your character would have probably not cost any rc if they weren't hellbent on getting money by making it inconvenient

koga8831d ago

You can literally edit your character using in-game gold, dropped from monsters or obtained from selling items, as soon as you reach the first main town. You can even use Rift Crystals obtained from other people using your pawn or dropped from monsters to change your entire character or Pawn. It's paying to avoid doing something that is literally in the game.

PRIMORDUS30d ago

They are lucky there using Denuvo or their game and all future DLC etc. would be for free. 🤣

phoenixwing30d ago

@koga you completely missed the point i was making but go ahead and act like i'm being the wrong one

lucian22930d ago

you can pay ingame currency though; why are ya so derp

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Crows9031d ago (Edited 31d ago )

Capcom cares quite a bit....hence why it was kept from reviewers and initial impressions.

As far as optional...yeah...ALL mtx are optional. That's not the problem. The miss the mark entirely.

Heck buying the game is "optional" too.

The fact that they were hiding this is scummy as hell. I was going to buy this day 1 or day 3. Now I'm reconsidering the purchase entirely because as the reviews point out...there are certain design decisions which have not changed but funnily enough seem to be remedied by these mtx...

In other words they may have left certain features in the game in order to monetize them. So the mtx affected the development of the game in a negative way.

garos8231d ago

I'm certainly not buying it anymore. It has affected at least one sale from me. I'll pick it up second hand

peppeaccardo31d ago

Very close to buy the game at a discounted price but not anymore.
Bad business practice and hence they do not get my support/money !

warriorcase30d ago

It wasn't kept fromreviewers s though. Twitter reviewers are saying there was mention of mtx's in the reviewers guide

-Foxtrot31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

STOP. USING. THAT. SHITTY. EXCUSE

God damn man

Look how DLC changed after Oblivions horse armour, within 10 years most developers took the absolute p***. What was said then aswell? “It’s only optional who cares?” Now look where we all are.

There’s no half measures with these things, when will people realise this.

jwillj2k431d ago (Edited 31d ago )

Oh it’s gonna get worse. Ng+ locked behind mtx, “cool downs” preventing you from playing for more than 3 hours at a time unless u pay the mtx for unlimited access, main campaign bosses, in-game music, certain dialog, difficulty modes, certain npc interactions, all locked behind mtx, etc.. etc. gonna end up being like the NBA 2k games eventually paying for cross overs and shit… They gon get mid-evil on our asses.

OMGitzThatGuy30d ago

I can guarantee most of the items you can buy with mtx and ingame currency wouldn’t exist in ANY paid form if the main goal wasn't monetization. If the goal is to give idiots who are willing to pay for basic game features as mtx a way to do things faster then the only ones the mtx hurt are the non paying players as you are now locking features behind a grind that you chose to put in the game that you are essentially admitting to creating some type of time sink. I have never heard of a game locking basic character editing behind a ingame paywall, it’s usually just an option.

Chard30d ago

Takes two to tango though - unfortunately people buy this garbage which incentivises the behaviour. It's an inevitable outcome of the profit motive

thorstein31d ago

@Mario

Yes. And so are resurrection "Wakestones." You can find them but they're rare.

victorMaje31d ago

Buying the game is now very optional too. If you don’t know why then you don’t get it.

shinoff218331d ago

Because it's only a door way. That's why we care. We've already seen some shit since Mtx was introduced.

Rimeskeem31d ago

1. DD2 is an ARPG with 8 different playable classes
2. There is no multiplayer aspect to the game
3. You can only have one character (have to pay for more)
4. You cannot delete the character unless you go into the game files
5. The game is $70 dollars upfront

Having to pay for more character slots in a game that *features* 8 playable classes is pretty much not optional for an ARPG.

Angyobangyo30d ago

Judging from steam reviews, gamers care. Not plastic gamers. Why didn’t Itsuno mention such MTX would be available in-game? Why weren’t the MTXs there for review copies?

Kiryu199230d ago

Who cares is how all this started. The many many excuses. Please keep defending these greedy publishers and unfair tactics. We be gamers are the problem

Horse armor

$10 online passes if buying a used copy

Cheat codes gone and are replaced by micro transactions

Unlocking stuff by playing games behind micro transactions and XP boosters

It’s only cosmetic

No one is being forced to spend even though publishers are literally making their games more grindy to force people to play

Full priced games have mobile game type micro transactions

$70 priced games because higher development costs while making record profits and laying off record number of employees

And to play the game early pay us extra $20-30 on top of full price

Release games now and promise to maybe fix them later only to abandon the game

Day one patches that make the games worst

If it’s your favorite game defend the publisher if it’s not hate on another publisher for similar content

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kenpachi31d ago

Must have picked up some EA crew to put this in the game

robtion31d ago

Yeah these are really bad ones. Directly impacting gameplay too. Super scummy move. I hope nobody buys them.

CrimsonWing6931d ago

Yet Helldivers 2 gets a pass? Y’know a GotY contender by the name of RE4 had them and so does Devil May Cry V. The funny thing is I enjoyed both of those games thoroughly without having to buy a single microtransaction.

What I do consider a valid complaint is not being able to start a new game or being able to edit your character. That’s kind of a seriously baffling decision, but then I think how I played Dragon’s Dogma 1 and I never edited my character and I just did a 100% playthrough on a single file and didn’t start a NG since. So, I don’t think these are really going to impact me, but I can see how it will others.

Crows9031d ago

Helldivers 2 is a live service game where everything is obtainable in game with incredible ease.

Not sure about re4 or DMC but nobody is giving anyone a pass ...this article is about dragons dogma 2...not those games.

What is valid are in game features made to supposedly force you to think carefully only to have a surprise online store offer solutions to built in problems for more money.

Goosejuice31d ago

Those same things they are selling can be found Ingame as well. U can buy the character editor through merchants with gold. Don't get me wrong..I dislike these mtx they are doing but you don't need to buy them to be able to get them.

CrimsonWing6931d ago (Edited 31d ago )

Oh my bad, I can’t bring up games with microtransactions that nobody had a sh*t fit over. My mistake.

I love how people move the goalpost.

Crows9031d ago

@goose
@crimson

All mtx sucks. I'd rather helldiver's not have them because it makes me wonder if the rate at which you collect materials. That said. The games features are all fully enjoyable and aren't affected by the mtx.

That's not the case with dragons dogma 2...they left in place features that are supposedly part of the challenge of the game only to let you buy your way out very conveniently. I didn't look through all of them but I've heard some are rare but can be purchased with more money now. Even more so in a game about managing weight load there's a tent, I believe, that you can pay more money for that weighs less than your typical tent...not all sure on all the mtx and I'm aware that you can purchase many through in game vendor but they're incredibly useful mtx that are obtained much more slowly in game...or even a limited amount of them.

Instead is selling fast travel...just let us don't for free....or instead of selling cosmetic changes...how about letting us do it for free...

Nothing in helldivers comes close to this abomination

Angyobangyo30d ago

One is a single player game and one is a live service game. One is $40 vs$70. And most importantly, one game is there to spread democracy.

Ironmike30d ago

It's not incredibly easy for certain things in helldivers though u still have grind quite bit but u ate correct in saying u can eventually get enough medals to purchase stuff

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Moegooner31d ago

Read your comment again and maybe, just maybe you might realise how dumb it was.

CrimsonWing6931d ago (Edited 31d ago )

What was dumb about it? That I pointed out the hypocrisy?

garos8231d ago

It was extremely scummy that capcom hid this from reviewers. I have no doubt this game is good but these type of microtransactions don't sit well with me. They've lost a sale from me

Lionsguard31d ago

I was going to pay full price to support this game because I've been waiting for it for forever but I think I'll wait until I get it for free from Epic or a Humblebundle monthly.

Redemption-6431d ago

I am not defending Capcom, as I am not a fan of MTX in single player games. I do however belive they were open to reviewers about having MTX in their game. The reviewers just decided to leave that part out. Which is very disingenuous. There are some companies that get away with these things. Image if this was done by EA, Ubisoft, or even Activision? I am positive those defending Capcom, would have had their pitchforks ready if the companies listed above did this

anast31d ago

That's why reviewers can't be trusted. In fact, they are not reviewers at all. They get free codes to talk about stuff they don't understand nor care about.

Sanctusone30d ago

I mean it was pretty obvious to anyone with eyes...one of the items you get from deluxe edition was in game items.
1500 Rift Crystals - Points to Spend Beyond the Rift (A)
Which honestly I figured they kept a similar mtx system like DMC5 and the optional red orbs.

Lionsguard30d ago

1500 Rift Crystals doesn't mean anything. The first game had Rift crystals too, you just earned them by people hiring your Pawn and you get it from certain quests.

anast30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

A reviewer's job is to point out the obvious of a product as though they were the consumer. This means reviewers, to do their actual job, would need to review the complete game: the edition they are reviewing, how they got the game, technical aspects, story, and monetization scheme. Since, it is obvious that MT's are a part of the game, it would need to be reviewed. This way people can be informed, so they can decide if they want to play this style of game/monetization scheme.

For example, AC Origins was bad with Mt's. I had to farm side missions or pay to advance the story. This was after I already did close to 25 or more side missions. While I was grinding there were constant reminders that I could pay to ease the grind. I would have never bought the game if it were reviewed properly.

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