Rumor: Here's How Much ZombiU, Bayonetta 2, W101, and Captain Toad Have Sold Since Launch

According to a new rumor posted by an insider on Neogaf, we now have sales data for several important pieces of Wii U software that Nintendo has chosen not to update us on.

[majiebeast]

Creamsugar has the NPD report and gets hunted down by NPD ninjas monthly. The numbers are legit.

[bouzebbal]

Toad sold well, the rest is really disappointing.
One more proof that people buy Nintendo home consoles for 1st party games only and i'm one of them.
Out of all these games, i only have Captain Toad.

[mikeslemonade]

More proof that these games aren't really that good. It's good for a specific group of gamers. Quality eventually becomes viral, so don't give me that BS about sales don't equal quality. Because quality travels and will eventually become mass-market.

[bouzebbal]

@mikeslemonade:
you are full of BS. Sales almost never mean quality.
You seem to be one of those who follow the fashion. Marketing is nothing but a scam. You can never be sure of what you're getting.

[opoikl]

"Quality becomes viral"

Like religion you mean? Or pop stars? Or Hollywood movies? Mass appeal means sh*t in this world.

[jholden3249]

Wrong. Not for 1st party games only, just mostly.

You really should own Bayonetta 2 and Wonderful 101. Some of the finest on Wii U.

[Neonridr]

@mikeslemonade - sales is not always indicative of quality. How many McDonald's burgers are sold each day? How many albums did Justin Bieber sell? How much box office did Transformers 4 generate?

All high numbers indeed, but the quality is definitely debatable.

How can Bayonetta 2 not be a great game? It was up for GOTY by every major publication not to mention it garnered 9's basically across the board by most reviews.

The fact that Platinum even included the original Bayonetta in the package was an amazing bonus. It gave us Nintendo folk who didn't play the original a chance to experience the first game.

Captain Toad is definitely a niche game and I wouldn't expect that to sell extremely well.

ZombiU I loved, and sales can't tell me that I didn't enjoy a game.

[DarXyde]

@mikeslemonade,

Uhh, what? Bayonetta 2 was totally one of the best games released last year, bar none.

I'm more inclined to say people just don't care about Wii U, which is disappointing. I love that thing and the games are very good quality.

[AWBrawler]

@mike
so wii sports series and wii fit series are better than any game you play by that standard. because they sold like heck, must be quality riiiiiight? /sarcasm

Thats BS and you know it. thats like saying any singer that doesn't outsell justin beiber lacks talent and deserves low sales

[Concertoine]

I think all of those games have demos, you should try them out.

I just wish nintendo would release solid data. All we have is vgchartz and this guy, and they're both at complete opposites. All we know for sure is:
60k in Japan in its time tracked by media create.
60k in France by January (actually not bad for France)

Nintendo funds such niche games. The fatal frame series has sold less than a million lifetime after 6 entries. Devil's Third, Bayonetta, W101 are all hardcore games with limited appeal. In the Gamecube days they had big names like Star Wars, Resident Evil, and Metal Gear. The Gamecube wasn't successful, but at this point it should be a goal with Wii U sales tracking like 3 million behind it despite steady market growth in the past 15 years.

[Crimzon]

Sad to see Bayonetta 2 selling so poorly. Didn't the original Bayonetta sell well over a million? It's a shame Nintendo were the only company willing to fund a sequel because it probably would have sold really well if it was multiplatform. People clearly want to play the game, they just don't want to own a Nintendo console.

[shadowknight203]

While you are wrong about quality means sales (call of duty being a no brainer for example) the exception to your invalid reasoning lies with the souls games. Demons souls wasnt even going to get oorted over to the west, but its arising popularity among the forums and gamers worldwide talking about it created enough buzz that a publisher was found and thus the eventual release of demons souls in the west. Even then initial sales were not huge but word about the quality of the game continued to spread and sales were constant with that title unlike many other games that have high to mid sales opening week/month and then becoming more staggering after. This is one example about quality of a game creating the sales, but this doesn't coolrrespond witb bayo2 or any of the wiiu games, its just an 3rdly

[Gamer1982]

only first party games sold well on a nintendo home console? SHOCKER!!

You wonder why 3rd partys dropped it like a lead balloon.. If they are happy with around 200k worldwide sales 3rd partys will support it.

[shadowknight203]

Please excuse my grammer. Ive been up over 24 hrs and am trying to keep awake so i can sleep tonight. I had a long game session lol

[SimonSmith]

The only one of these games I don't have that is listed is Bayonetta 2, it is a shame that more people have not picked up ZombiU or The Wonderful 101 they are both great games that should be in everyone's collection.

[SmielmaN]

Bayo2 was pretty awesome

[ShinMaster]

Nintendo Fanboys don't buy good games. Even when they're exclusive. They only buy Nintendo IPs. It's f***ing sickening.

I hope this isn't true because Bayonetta 2 is one of the best games the Wii U has.

[pwnsause_returns]

Sales=/=Quality

Bayonetta, Wonderful 101 are quality games.

its just further proof that Nintendo has a problem with third party companies and attempting to sell these games to their customers.

[roboshort]

Umm.. Wonderful101 is a Nintendo IP. Platinum developed it. Anyway, it's best not to believe poorly researched articles. The Internet is infested with tons of lazy people who like to voice their opinion. These sales figures are more than likely BS. The article even says rumor. VGZChartz, which is reliable, reports that Bayonetta 2 has sold 660000 (not including digital sales) with 360000 sold in the US. Including digital sales, it has probably sold over 700000. ZombiU has sold 840000 total. These are not great, but definitely not bad. W101 does have poor numbers, though, with only 320000 sold.

[roboshort]

Mikeslemonade, do you honestly believe that libertarian/austrian economics bs? People tend to like things that are familiar to them. This is human psychology. With over exposure, though, these familiar things can just become noise leading something new to go viral... largely by chance. But this isn't solely a function of its quality.

[deafdani]

Funnily enough, I have all of those games... except Captain Toad.

XD

[Xer0_SiN]

very impressive numbers!

[magiciandude]

Indeed. They show Nintendo is marching its way toward the same exit door that Sega went through. That's without a reasonable doubt. The NX needs to deliver a real next-gen experience from the PS4 and Xbox One if they want to stay competitive in the ever changing console gaming climate. The Wii U is a fanservice console but nothing more. Nintendo went completely wrong there.

[Transistor]

Yep. CreamSugar is legit. Sale's matter. If you wonder why the Wii U gets no Third Party support, look no further.

[GordonKnight]

ZombiU is at 840K in sales.

[Magicite]

Nintendo: no Mario = no profit.

[N4g_null]

If this is true I need to re buy a few of these games because they will be collectors items when this gen is over. So far I own all of those games as digital only.

Another thing is npd doesn't include nintendo numbers. Those are internal. Plus I remember a few of these games reaching a million... something is fishy. How did the wiiu sell 90 million pieces of software and these games did not sell?

[3-4-5]

Bayonetta.....that style of gameplay is VERY NICHE.

Not hating on it, it's just a game almost nobody plays...or a game style.

It's still a worth and legit genre, but it just doesn't get played much, therefore 157,000 copies of that particular style or type of game, isn't really that bad.

It's actually decent.

I'm not into that style or that game and probably won't even play it, but it didn't do bad.

* You don't get the extra 50,000-100,000 games sold on the Wii U like you will on the XB1 & PS4 because of the install base.

* Hopefully Captain Toad sold well enough to get another in the series.

[Knushwood Butt]

So you are saying it's OK that it bombed...

If it just doesn't get played, why did the first game sell a ton more?

Presumably you're also happy that this game killed the franchise.

[benji101]

The problem is most gamers want a male protagonist. Male character facing away from the camera. Hit. Perky looking female that does not look like a rape victim, flop. simple as that... Gamers are the most f-ed up people.

[SilentNegotiator]

This is why third party devs just aren't bothering with Wii U. Fanboys can pretend like a couple of subpar ports are the reason, but Nintendo home consoles haven't been a place to get major sales on third party games since the days of SNES (the exception being some success for third parties on the Wii for first couple years).

[Starbucks_Fan]

Glad to see Captain Toad sell well

[RmanX1000]

Bayonetta 2 represent.

[Svinya]

150k. Wow....... That is a disaster.

[MasterCornholio]

Nintendo fans really have to start to support games like this better. Bayonetta 2 deserves better.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Not on an install base half the size of the PS4, it's not.
Especially after all the bashing and negative press it's gotten from jerks who hated it because of its exclusivity.
If the Wii U had the same global numbers for its install base as the PS4 currently, and it still sold to the same percentage of the install base, Bay 2 would have already been near to, if not above, 2M copies sold globally.
Also, keep in mind that these numbers are USA only, and there's no word on whether digital was included.

But in any case, no matter what one thinks of the game, selling the the numbers it has, reaching the percentage of the install base it has, despite only having one console with less than 11M install base to sell to, is an impressive feat.
And even though it's slow, the sales are still rising.

By any fair comparison, Bay 2 isn't doing half as badly as some people think it is.

Also, @ cornholio
If people outside of Nintendo really do think it deserves better sales, why aren't they getting the system and the game?
At this point no one BUT Nintendo fans are supporting it.XD

[_-EDMIX-_]

@Wonderful..- no....no it isn't good. Those are bad numbers.

Yet Mario Kart 8 did 4 million units, Smash Bros Wii U did 4 million units...I'm sorry but those numbers are bad and only really show that putting that game on that system was a bad, bad idea.

I mean..Sega got their money and so did Nintendo, but its clear the game would have sold more on PS3 and 360 EASILY.

Nevermind digital to as those sales are always statistically lower then retail disk base, especially if we are talking about the Wii crowd that doesn't buy online as much as the Sony and MS crowd do.

Its clear the next game won't likely be on 1 platform. Bayonetta is a great game and really deserves better of the IP, Sega would be wise to never make a deal with Nintendo on that system.

[insomnium2]

@wonderfulmonkeyman

Selling only 150k to a 11.5 million install base is a disaster. Wii U doesn't have that many games to choose from so a game like B2 would be a no brainer to anyone.....except for the mothers and fathers who bought the Wii U for their 8-12 yo kid just like Wii.

B1 sold over 135k on PS3 in the first week alone. Sure the install base was bigger than Wii U, but since Wii U doesn't have that many games to choose from it should've sold much more just like Resistance FOM and the first Motorstorm for example.

[antikbaka]

There were too few people with WiiU who are into bayonetta to begin with and not everyone were ready to buy WiiU for it..although i did..

[higgins78]

Yes, close. However, the list of great games to sell in low numbers on consoles with a far larger install base is long. I mean, the original Bayonetta (for example) sold poorly despite being available for both PS3 AND 360, and the less said about Vanquish's sales the better/ Also, Okami anybody? Like I say, the list is near endless.

Besides, the important stat here is Bayonetta 2 was made, it is arguably the finest example of the genre to date, AND...not being designed for PS4/XB1 ment no screen-tearing and jarring performance issues. Sales talk will come and go, the games are here to stay.

[gamingpro]

All you idiots are failing to take into consideration that this is only sales for America not worldwide. Dumbass Haters

Good luck finding any quality games that ain't broken and boring on all your consoles of choices.

Talk about sales cause Sony Fanboys can't compete when it comes to games lol
pathetic and insecure is the only way to describe them.

[Gohadouken]

You can be belligerant and agressive all you want ... it changes very little . Yeah it's only the US numbers , but what is the likelihood of those numbers being 4X 5X times bigger over EU or japan or in Digital form?

It simply doesnt look good wich is sad . Especially for those like myself wich cared more for titles like Bayonetta 2 than Nintendo's own core offering .

If true it illustrate yet again the same problem that some fans insist doesnt exist . No things are not fine ... whatever amount of money is pouring into Nintendo and how rich they are ... they havent been for générations .

Each time now , relationships with 3rd parties publishers are bad or abysmal , and you're stuck with a console that is a delivery system for Nintendo titles , and two or 3 top selling franchises at best , like Monster hunter and Sonic .

Which is a pity and detrimental to everyone . With an healthy 3rd party market , we could have the same Nintendo games , and an healthy alternative ecosystem for those caring less about them . Precisely like on their handhelds .

It would actually help titles deserving it like Bayonetta 2 . Not everyone not in love with all main Nintendo franchises , will as if it , be "crazy" enough like myself , to get a Wii U mostly for Bayo 2 , Xenoblade and Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem .

Some major props is deserved of course , W101 and Bayo 2 wouldnt happen at all without Nintendo's involvement , but it's still sad

[Mega_Volnutt]

1. Bayonetta 2: Global Sales - 0.66m approx. 660,000 copies

2. Captain Toad: Global Sales - 0.59m approx. 590,000 copies

3. Zombi U: Global Sales - 0.84m approx. 840,000 copies

4. The Wonderful 101: Global sales - 0.32 approx. 320,000 copies

[Gamer1982]

To be fair this is all because of second console syndrome. People get 3rd party games on there xbox and playstation and only get wiiu for mario and co. So when something that breaks the norm comes out like bayonetta they dont buy it purely because thats not why they bought it.

[gangsta_red]

So no one noticed the "Rumor" posted in the title.

And I thought "US was not the world"? Wasn't that the mantra around here not too long ago, why are we all speaking doom and gloom when looking at these rumored sales in America only?

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

It took a long stretch of time and two consoles with well over10m in install base combined for the first Bay to hit that Million mark, let alone the little bit extra it ended with.
Bay 2 is approaching that mark worldwide, at over 600k sold, with not only a smaller install base, but also a lot more viral hate due to it's exclusivity.

And also,@ insomnium, saying it should have sold better "because there really wasn't anything else on the system" is a blatant lie that only those that either haven't looked into the system's lineup, or don't appreciate what's on offer, tell to others to justify their feelings.
The system has had a wealth of quality indies, first parties, and some good exclusives that have made it more than worth picking up.
At this point, if you don't own a Wii U to complement the machine you chose for third party multiplats, you ARE missing out on a lot of good games.

@ Edmix
Your example is so biased that it's hilarious. Smash and MK have had many more entries to gain reputation, and they didn't get slammed with viral anti-buy campaigns just for the system they are on.
Bay 2 was the first entry of the series on a Nintendo system, from a company that never really sees big sales anyways, that had a lot of anti-Nintendo jerks lobbying for a boycott of it.
Digital also accounts for a much larger percentage of their sales than you think. There was an article about it not too long ago, look it up.
Also, it wouldn't have sold on those systems because eveyone is abandoning them for the PS4 and XBone. (aside from a small minority, myself included)
They're doing so in response to developers focusing more and more on development for games that are not cross gen.
Oh, and no one wanted to fund Bay 2 besides Nintendo. Not even Sega. Because no one bought the first one in the numbers it deserved.
Despite being on two consoles with huge combined install base numbers and popularity on their side.

[Spotie]

Oh, my god. You guys are still making excuses.

Bayonetta did not do well. Install base is not an excuse, given the games that did better with an even smaller base, even on the Wii U.

Just freaking face it: THIS is the reason third parties avoid Nintendo hardware.

Or are you gonna say Bayonetta was a crappy port, too?

[Kurisu]

Thinking about buying this game at some point myself now that I have a Wii U in the household. I only ever played the demo of Bayonetta on PS3 but it was pretty fun, and I've heard good things about 2. When I was in town last week I seen the Bayonetta 1 & 2 bundle pack for £29.99. Really good price.

[wheresmymonkey]

I'd snap that right up. The bundle pack is becoming pretty hard to find and nintendo won't be making more of it. The actual print run on Bayo 2 wasn't much to begin with. Stonking game though.

[Geobros]

204,000 for a Wii U title is fair well. We wait to see Zombi U2 in the console....

[Bathyj]

Are you kidding? All those sales are terrible. Sure one could argue they're ok, for a WiiU game, but taken objectively as a next gen title regardless of userbase or platform ,it spells a very strong message to developers, make exclusives for WiiU and be damned to obscurity and poor sales. It's not a message Nintendo would want I would think.

[Svinya]

Agreed. Awful number for EVERYTHING, except maybe Toad..

[jholden3249]

America only.

ZombiU sold over 700,000 globally and that was 2014 numbers. Bayonetta 2 broke 500,000 before the year was even over. Wonderful 101 did the worst at just 320,000 which is a true shame since it's so great a game.

But bad sales or not, you still ain't playing any of these games but on Wii U

[gokuking]

@jholden3249 Last time we saw Bayonetta 2 in Japan, it was at like 60k. That's a little more than 200k between Japan and the US. Am I supposed to believe that Europe and the rest of the world did 300k when the game's biggest markets did worse? VGChartz is nonsense. Always has been. Always will be.

[benji101]

Bayonetta 2 cost a lot less than the order. The order probably lost more money for Sony than Bayonetta did for Nintendo.

[roboshort]

First. The article is entitled "RUMOR" and people go and take it for fact. Second. Fairly accurate sales numbers are available on the Internet. These numbers are incredibly inaccurate and reflective of lazy or malicious reporting.

[barb_wire]

Really Geo? Ubi-Soft have already said there will be NO 'Zombi U'2.

[deadpoolio316]

Ubisoft has already said quite a few times that there absolutely will not be a sequel to ZombiU, that it sold far worse than they expected

[GordonKnight]

ZombiU sold 430K in NA alone. These numbers are incorrect.

[jholden3249]

@gokuking

http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

I'm sorry but you're really ignorant to sit here and deny Bayonetta 2 has even sold 500k when even the UNDER TRACKING VG Chartz says it's almost at

wait for it...

700,000 sales WITHOUT digital included

What, VG Chartz just picks numbers out of thin air now and has no semblance of accuracy just because you don't want to believe the facts? I'm sorry, even if it is inaccurate it's not gonna be by more than 10-20k. ANY WAY YOU SLICE IT, this game has been at over half a million for well over a year now.

Seriously, the ignorance on display here is baffling.

[RiPPn]

Ouch! Non Nintendo IPs not faring too well, wonder what the worldwide numbers are..?

[jholden3249]

3/4 of a million for ZombiU not counting digital.

2/3 of a million for Bayonetta 2, not counting digital.

Not sure about Toad.

1/3 of a million for Wonderful 101, not counting digital (which is fairly substantial from what I hear, same for Bayonetta 2).

So ya, W101 did poorly. We all knew that from day one. But ZombiU and Bayonetta 2 very well might break 1 million sold, same for Toad, and people are criticizing this? All of these games sales have climbed 100k-150k in the last 12 months. That's the thing- Nintendo platform games continue to sell. I would not get against 3 of these 4 games breaking 1 million sold by the end of this generation.

[Pyro2000x]

any of those titles reach 1 Million yet?

[DonkeyDoner]

no,not even bayonetta

[LOL_WUT]

Not even with backing from the online community #OperationPlatform did it manage to sell a million. Honestly this SEGA was a bad partnership nintendo should've went with Capcom instead for exclusive deals titles ;)

[R00bot]

Not in America if this is right.

[BigDuo]

As far as we know, none of them have. The only game to sell a million units last year worldwide besides Smash Bros and Mario Kart 8 was Hyrule Warriors.

So much for Bayonetta 2's sales. People need to stop thinking VGChartz is a reliable source. If Bayonetta 2 really had sold that well, then Nintendo would have likely revealed its sales data in a previous financial briefing. Bayonetta 2 is just a good example of a game that did not have a big target audience on Wii U to begin with. Devil's Third will be the next mature game to bomb on Wii U. It's a shame since Nintendo did a pretty good job of marketing Bayonetta 2.

Captain Toad has done quite well for game that is a small scale spin-off project that used assets from Mario 3D World and had a short development time. If you combine the US sales data with Japan's known sales for the end of 2014 (130k copies), then Captain Toad has sold around 445k copies combined.

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

Bayonetta barely reach 2m on a TWO platform claimed to be for hardcore gamers with over 165m install base.

Sad right..

2m out of 165m

[Knushwood Butt]

It did pretty well for a new IP.

[Acquiescence]

Proof that if Nintendo doesn't attach a character from one of their old and dependable franchises, then the game bombs as a result.

[gamer7804]

they are good at innovating, they just need to get their machine specs up to par so people will buy one for third party games. Right now it seems people only buy the wii u for exclusive nintendo IPs.

I'd love to see more bayonetta games, but 150k is really bad.

[deadpoolio316]

Oh god, they are NOT good at innovating when it comes to actual consoles...They look at what is trending at the moment and occasionally go in that direction...

They didn't innovate the Wiimote, they saw that Sony was working on motion controls (patented The Wand in 2002) Sony then shelved the controller until they could get it to work properly...Nintendo decided, wow we can use that used the same principal with worse tech...

They didn't innovate with the gamepad, they saw that tablets were the hip trendy thing and though they could catch lightning in a bottle twice....Annnnnd that failed,

So now in 2016 when the NX releases we'll either get a normal console kinda on par with the competition OR they'll continue to use another gimmick hoping to recreate the Wii magic, which IS NOT coming back those people moved on....

Handhelds are about the only thing Nintendo innovates on and even that can be debatable

[Concertoine]

Splatoon's sales remain to be seen, and i think that game will be a sleeper hit.

It is true that nintendo hasn't made a successful new IP since Pikmin. Pandora's Tower, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Baten Kaitos, Wonderful 101 the innumerable eshop games... Xenoblade and The Last Story were only moderate successes.

For all the bashing they get for over reliance on big names, people aren't buying all the new stuff they make.

[LOL_WUT]

Theres many Wii U owners who haven't bought the game who are to blame than those who "bash" Nintendo for making same ips while not owning the system.

No one is willing to go out and buy one game for a system that isn't doing to well and the sells reflect that. ;)

[mad-dog]

Damn.. all those games deserve so much mores sales.
People are missing out. it's sad to see what insecurity can do.
But hey, at least they know how to say dirty words.

Ofcourse, an underpowered machine, the foces on yet ANOTHER controller, the aweful name (that only creates confusion), the lack of cooperation with third parties and really bad marketing don't help.

[DaGodKing]

this is only american numbers.. just pointing that out and im pretty sure its doesn't count digital version

[KryptoniteTail]

Toad did well for Wii U. Pathetic W101 and Bayonetta though. They deserve those numbers (if that). Can't say anything about the other, dont know it.

[Perjoss]

Its quite sad for the developers of Bayonetta 2 as that game received quite a few prefect scores.

[higgins78]

Surely it was to be expected. Have any of their games - no matter how great - ever really sold in huge numbers? Look back through history. It has NOTHING to do with which console each game is available on, rather their games are (mostly) fairly niche - particularly compared with what sells in big numbers. Can we now focus on the quality of the game...

[Knushwood Butt]

Nintendo went out of their way to pay for a game they expected not to sell.

[Ol_G]

i bought all their games and loving it bayonetta is just like the old school dmc only slicker with movement and stuff and i think there lies the problem everything about these games felt 90 ish the story of w101 is like watching over the top power rangers same with bayonetta these types of games aren't made anymore these days it's all about political problems the US is always the victim of terrorist "Fight for our freedom" ugh so games that are actually games aren't popular anymore but everybody is waiting for the next COD to shoot each other in the face

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

not really. The producer was happy fir those who bought it and love it. PG doesn't care about sales. They got the money from Nintendo to develop the game they wanted to developed. But Sega didn't want it. So it left to be canned til Nintendo. They aren't in game development for money.

[corroios]

casual gamers dont care about reviews and the numbers are scary.

[Darkfist]

meanwhile a new ip like bloodborne sold well, even newcomers bought the game and liked it and they never played a soul game before, but its ok sales doesnt matter for wiiu games im sure nintendo gona put money on bayonetta 3(or a new ip lol) for those fanboys to praise

[Ol_G]

bloodborne is the 4 th iteration in the series please gtfo
changing the name with the same gameplay doesn't equal a new game this game sold so much cause fans of the demon souls and dark souls series knew what they were getting and in the process convinced friends to buy it and from my own experience i have some pissed of friends who regret to ever bought this game 2 returned it the same day the other gave it a go and is pissed of as hell he didn't return it earlier cause now he has to trade it second hand i laughed my ass off cause after demon and dark souls i don't have the time energy and mindset to abuse myself with these games after a hard day of work and i warned them about that but they were swept by the hype and now it died down they are left with frustration

but hey if you wanna believe bloodborne is seen as a new ip i don't know what to tell ya

[Perjoss]

Cant agree with you there. Saying Bloodborne, Demon's and Dark Souls are the same series is the same as saying Dragon Age and Mass Effect are too, which is clearly incorrect.

Bloodborne is different in so many ways. Different universe, combat style, art style, no shields, different healing, magic is hadled in a totally different way. A spiritual successor to Demon's maybe but certainly not part if the same series. The developers have said that even Demon's is a separate universe from the Dark Souls games.

[r2oB]

Different lore.
Different gameplay mechanics.
Different series.

You've either never played a Souls game or Bloodborne, because they are not the same, other than both being difficult.

[Gohadouken]

It is definitively treated as a new IP . Many are buying it out of hype , not always a prolonged interest in souls games . Hell it's the first title of that bunch for losts of people ... and there are a few fundamental differences in gameplay

[higgins78]

I love how the focus for the Nintendo Wii U ALWAYS focuses sales. Yes, sales is an issue, but for many people its just a way to shift the focus away from the games, both the quality and variety. Focus on that and the Wii U is arguably the best console of the 3. As for the argument the Wii U misses some of the most 'important' games, its just as easy to argue likewise - both PS4 and XB1 miss some of the best games of this gen, made exclusively for Nintendo/

[GordonKnight]

I agree!

If you go through this Gen without all three consoles you miss out on a number of great games.

[Germany7]

The first Bayonetta didn't sell well too, and that's really sad, the game is great, i still need to play Bayonetta 2 ( first i need to buy a Wii U), but it looks amazing.

[G3n3raL86]

And it was a multilatform title.

[DEATHxTHExKIDx]

At least the first BAyonetta did over 1mil.

[Digimortal]

True, but took a long time to get there.

[Germany7]

I'm not trying to start a fanboy war, just saying that the games are awesome and really deserved better sales.

[ironfist92]

So...Bayonetta 1 sold disappointingly, they then decided to make Bayonetta 2 a WiiU exclusive...which ended up selling even more abysmally...

Witht that kind of decision making its no wonder developers go under, and its no wonder WiiU sells poorly, and third party publishers dont support it.

[gamer7804]

Bayonetta 1 initially didn't sell well, but over time it was more of a slow burn. PS4 sold approx 420,000 units and the xbox sold about 500,000 units (North America). Even individually each of those sold way better than the 2nd game on the wiiu. Add that sequels tend to sell better since they already have a fan base makes it even more disappointing. I really want to see another bayonetta.

[stragomccloud]

Well, apparently the fanbase cared more about their console than the game. That's how strong fanboyism is. It's like a religion now.

[PizzaSteve]

Man Wii U is flopping harder than Gamecube.

[DeusEx-Machina]

That's no news at all. Last I heard Bayonetta 2 was under 135K in the US. If anything it just shows the average US gamer has no taste.

Speaking of taste. Bayonetta 2 has allegedly soled about 60K copies in France alone!

http://nintendoenthusiast.c...

I know the internet likes to poke fun at French people, but looks like gamers could take a leaf from thier book.

[tjg59]

Wow I didn't know bayonetta2 sold that few of copies. I got mine day 1 and was very happy with it. I was even hoping to see bayonetta in smash bros as dlc.

[leemass24]

2 things most people here seem to be forgetting 1st look at the first word of the article RUMOR, not fact might of sold better might of sold worse the fact is no1 actually knows what the numbers are, 2nd this apparantly is only north america numbers and we dont even know if thats counting digital sales or not, people on here really shouldn't jump to conclusions, i mean in october there was that RUMOR that bayo 2 sold 68k for the month so take these numbers with a grain of salt until actuall numbers are shown.

[comebackkid9891]

Platinum deserves better.

[Spotie]

Agreed.

[GoPanthers999]

W101 is an awesome game, I am certain that the same holds true for Bayonetta 2. I have a Wii U and we have some great games, but these games would have fared much, much better on the PS4 and X1.

[Shinox]

So sad to see pure rare gems like W101 and Bayo2 doesn't reach many hands , its like PG cursed with a bad luck in a terrible console of choice , why don't they make exclusives for Sony to test their luck ?
next victim : Scalebound

[DEATHxTHExKIDx]

I really wanted Bayonetta to do well but at the same time I'm not surprised. WiiU already had a low install base and, Bayo was originally mulitplat turning exclusive didn't help with sales.

[Mega_Volnutt]

This why rumors are only rumors. Nintendoenthusiast and n4g this are the real numbers, not spreading rumors:

1. Bayonetta 2: Global Sales - 0.66m approx. 660,000 copies

2. Captain Toad: Global Sales - 0.59m approx. 590,000 copies

3. Zombi U: Global Sales - 0.84m approx. 840,000 copies

4. The Wonderful 101: Global sales - 0.32 approx. 320,000 copies

Not good, but not bad either, considering the facts.

[Concertoine]

Thats vgchartz, they just estimate.

[Mega_Volnutt]

And Nintendoenthusiast are not estimates?? I guess all information about sales sales, are purely relative. You have to pay real good, to actually have the "real" numbers of sales, because no websites have access to accurate WW numbers on a weekly basis. None. Any site claiming they do like lolchartz is asspulling numbers. for each game. All is relative, just like religion...

[gokuking]

Mega_Volnutt: Creamsugar on NeoGAF is leaking NPD data.

[Concertoine]

If you read my comment above you'd see i called creamsugar dubious too. I specifically said i wish Nintendo would release concrete numbers.

How is bringing up VGchartz a good counter to this article? That just makes you look hypocritical.

[stragomccloud]

Even though these titles definitely sold more, it's a shame that they didn't sell even more than they did. Unfortunately, this gen has been a more fanboyish gen than the last one was; and the last one was disgusting. People need to stop sticking to their brands, and start picking up some unique games. The market is already spiraling towards another crash.

[MetroidFREAK21]

That's why I hate when games are exclusives... The Wii U's abysmal sales hurt the sales of games... I would love to have Bayonetta 2, and or Wonderful 101 on my Xbox One right now :)

[BigDuo]

The thing is, Platinum Games and Sega tried to find a publisher for Bayonetta 2 before they asked Nintendo. Here's what Platinum Games said about that:

“I think I have discussed this many times before but here goes… First of all, we [Platinum Games] are developers and receive support from publishers by making games that they request or suggest. As for Bayonetta, we developed the game after signing a deal with Sega. Later it was decided to also develop the sequel, so we started working on Bayonetta 2. When development had progressed to a certain degree, in Sega’s situation it turned into “This isn’t a good plan”, so development halted temporarily."

“Without funding we didn’t have the possibility to continue development, but we wanted to get this partially developed Bayonetta 2 available to the public one way or another. So we offered it to various publishers, but as it is a big title, we couldn’t find a partner company. Finally, Bayonetta 2 was about to get terminated completely, when… Nintendo came in and lent a hand and we were able to restart the development we so desired. Finally the game was released last week, so in five years, we were able to make Bayonetta 2 available to the public.”

“Knowing those circumstances, if someone is still angry for heading towards Nintendo, I wonder what’s the reason for that, wouldn’t you tell me in a way that is easy to understand?”

In other words, blame publishers like Sony and Microsoft for not taking the opportunity to want to publish Bayonetta 2 exclusively. Blame other major third parties for not wanting to do it as a multiplatform release.

The Wonderful 101 would have very likely just as easily bombed on any other platform. It had very niche appeal as an obscure, weird Japanese action game featuring a group of super small cartoony costumed-heroes. Traditional character action games use a single, normal-sized character which makes it easier game to market toward fans of the action genre as a mature title with ultra violence and more realistic graphics. Platinum Games isn't afraid to take risks, but sadly, that risk bit them hard (and Nintendo even harder since it was the one that funded the game). For what it is worth, TW101 remains a flawed gem on Wii U.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Well said bubble for you.

[MetroidFREAK21]

Oh I understand completely the development hell Bayo 2 went through... Its just a shame that its selling poorly because its on the Wii U... A console nearly 3 years old... That has an install base that has yet to reach 10 million or is just about there... Don't get me wrong, I love me some Ninty games, but the Wii U simply failed... And games that are exclusive to their system, that aren't 1st party... Are doomed to fail. Simple... That's how it's always been with Nintendo consoles...look at the GameCube versions of multiplat game sales compared to the original Xbox and PS2... that's how it always will be

[Tzuno]

Sad,bayonetta should have been timed exclusive and then multiplatform, no wonder that it had poor sales.

[BigDuo]

How would Bayonetta 2 make sense to be a timed-exclusive if Nintendo owns exclusive publishing rights over it? Nintendo funded the game, so why would it want to allow the game to be ported to Sony and Microsoft consoles ? Nintendo, like most publishers, would prefer to maintain exclusivity over whatever IP is funds (or partially funds as in the rare case of Bayonetta 2). I don't think even Sega would have any legal maneuverability here because while it owns the Bayonetta IP, it released its publishing rights over the sequel (and only the sequel) to Nintendo. For all we know, part of that publishing deal included Nintendo paying off Sega, or at least Sega receiving some royalty cut of the profits.

[kakashi81]

Such a shame that good games get slammed by the lack of sales...Smh I have bayonetta2 and captain toad games. Also the sales of the Wii U could be coming from parents getting the system for their children, versus the average fanboys.

[BigDuo]

What's interesting is the revealed Wii U eShop demographics data from Nintendo of America as of August 2014.

Note: The following data only counts for US Wii U eShop:

-90% of Wii U owners connected online
- 70+% of connected users (i.e. 63% overall) visit eShop regularly
- 93% of Wii U eShop users are male
- 7% of Wii U eshop users are female

Gamers ages 0-12 make up 1% of Wii U eShop users
Gamers ages 13-17 make up 5% of Wii U eShop users
Gamers ages 18-24 make up 33% of Wii U eShop users
Gamers ages 25 - 34 make up 46% of Wii U eshop users
Gamers 35 and older make up 14% of Wii U eShop users

Now, since this is only based on registered U.S. connected eShop user accounts, it means the info is not entirely reliable. For example, some younger gamers could have lied about their age when they set it on their eShop account. Younger gamers could also be sharing an account to play on with their older sibling(s) or parent's account. Some kids won't be allowed to use the eShop since you need to buy games via credit/debit card, and parents mostly buy games at retail for them instead. We also do not know the age range of remaining 10% Wii U owners that are not connected online to use the eShop.

[Revengeance]

Anyone defending these terrible sales is an idiot. Even with the Wii U at the roughly 10 million mark if they're not doing at least a million that IS a failure. These are games being aimed at a mainstream audience. THEY NEED BETTER SALES!

[BigDuo]

Except Bayonetta is not a mainstream IP. It's a niche one. Of course, just because a game is niche doesn't mean it can't be a successful niche. Demon's Souls was niche and a new IP at the time, but it was commercially successful. Same with No More Heroes 1. Sadly, this is not the case with the Bayonetta IP.

The target demographic for Bayonetta 2 is fairly large in the U.S. (based purely on Nintendo of America registered eShop user demographics that I posted on page one). According to it, most of the eShop registered users are not kids or teens, but adults. Of course, those demographic percentages are not completely reliable for reasons I previously mentioned. However, Satoru Iwata did say that Nintendo failed to do more to sell Wii U to younger gamers despite how all of Nintendo's own software between 2012-2013 were marketed at kids and/or families. The problem is most gamers have not been generally supportive enough of buying mature games on Nintendo consoles. Nintendo's audience may have older gamers in it, but that doesn't mean they share all the same interests in software that Sony and Microsoft's respective audiences.

Even in past generations such has with GameCube that had mature third party multiplatform support as well as some mature game exclusives, third parties recognized that GameCube's demographics consisted more of a younger audience compared to the original Xbox and PlayStation 2. In some rare cases, multiplatform games like Soul Calibur 2 managed to sell best on GameCube. Despite GameCube's considerably smaller install base, RE 4 sold 1.6 million copies as the lead platform version which was initially an exclusive title before a PS2 port was announced which ended up selling over 2.3 million copies (and the PS2 version included exclusive content). On Wii, RE 4 sold as well 1.9 million copies, which is very good considering A) its just a port and B) its a port of a game that came out 2 years before.

[masterfox]

good luck selling Devils Third to a bunch of brats lol

[LOL_WUT]

But remember they hate shooters but give a pass to Devils Third because of its exclusivity ;)

[jcnba28]

Good luck finding a game with as much quality as a Nintendo exclusive lol

[MilkMan]

I have them all and I love them all. In all honesty I have a lot of fun on my WiiU. More so than any other of the other consoles and here is another truth. I spend more time playing last gen than this current gen. Not because I think they are better, but because there is more variety of games, and quite frankly there is no rhyme or reason to re-buy what I already own.

Seems to me that all the new systems are asking me to do is to re-buy what I already have. So, might as well play the original one instead.
I'm playing Slaughterhouse, Never Dead, Ghost Recon, Witcher 2, Blur, Call of Juarez, Shoot Many Robots and on and on.

Truth is I am HARD PRESSED to find any game that keeps me busy in this current gen. I'm just bored out of my mind.

The Order was cool and BloodBorne was cool also. Sunset Overdrive was a nice distraction. Shadow of Mordor was tons of fun.
Far Cry 4 was cool, but coming off of Far Cry 3 and its DLC I was a little burnt on this. But good game.

I cant really play Dragon Age was OK also. Nothing's really grabbed me.

I've bought it all man, and for the first time in my gaming life, I fell I'm wasting money.
All I heard about is the same tired IPs making a comeback. Guitar Hero?! Star Ocean?! Final Fantasy?! WTF!

The WiiU at least offered some entertaining diversions. Zombie U, Bayonetta 2, Wonderful 101, Captain Toad.
Zelda looks great, Pikmin 3 was awesome.

Maybe im burnt out, I'm not sure. But I don't think so. I'm 43 and I've been playing games, ALL games, from pure text to BloodBorne and I find joy in all of them. But to me, this is by far the worst gen in gaming. Its uninspired, uninteresting, and just basically going full circle.

I simply cant get excited. I've committed the greatest of sins, I turn on my gaming console to watch Blu-rays?! Or to watch people broadcast themselves, drawing, dry humping their girls or yelling and screaming at messages from strangers.

These are confusing times indeed.

[feedurhabit]

Pretty much this. I'm looking forward to Bloodborne and I really enjoyed Infamous Second Son but the amount of shelf space taken up by "remasterings" is getting beyond a joke

[Jay70sgamer]

Wow MilkMan it's funny I'm 43 also I've been gaming since the 70s and this generation in my opinion is the worse...the games don't excite me and I own all 3 systems...nothing so far has gotten me excited ..I agree with you maybe I'm burned out with the repetitive games ..in my honest opinion my Nintendo Wii u has been used more than ps4 or xbox1 their games are fun not saying Xbox or play station aren't fun but the gamess feel repetitive it feels nothing different from gen 7 ...it feels like there is gonna be a video game crash in the sense like the 80s when everyone went to the pcs(Apple 2,commodore64 and Atari 800xl) for my fellow old school gamers lol....nowadays it not fun even following or discussing video games as in the past everybody argues about graphics,specs and framerates ,sales etc instead of fun ,gameplay and just enjoying the game itself...the fanboyism is ridiculous..just enjoy what you have and play......just saying

[MilkMan]

I'm with you guys 100% Hope things pick up. Its pretty trivial out there.

[phantomexe]

Not that i really care but you guys know this dont include ppl who buy games digitaly. Only nintendo could track that in house.

[feedurhabit]

That's a real shame, something like Bayo 2 deserves better

[WizzroSupreme]

That's not bad for Captain Toad, not bad at all for a new IP that no one had any hopes for necessarily. That's not great at all for Bayonetta 2 and especially for ZombiU. Too bad this probably kills the chances for a sequel for both.

[mogwaii]

Time for the new up to date more powerful system ninty, cmon join the big boys already.

[jcnba28]

These figures are way off from what vgchartz has them at.

[BudokaiGamer]

It's still a marketing issue more than anything. I would like to see worldwide sales.

[Chinkyinc18]

Bayonetta 2 numbers are horrible anyway you see it. Nintendo must have given a ton load of subsidized cash for Platinum to make more money than they would have if it wasn't exclusive. Sure, they claim they needed the money to even make the game, but seesh, in the same timeframe, the first Bayonetta was already over 1.3m moved. It moved 138k on its' launch in Japan, more than 2 has sold in six months. If Platinum was disappointed with Bayonetta's sales figures, I'm guessing the entire team involved with 2 has committed harakiri by now.

[SageShinigami]

Trash sales. Just...trash. Disappointing too, since I love Captain Toad.

[Father__Merrin]

this is dismal, wiiu owners don't buy the same games as ps4/xbox1/pc owners. there will never be game support now

it's only worth buying for the core Nintendo titles now

[Last_Boss]

I want a Wii-U, but good hamburger heaven, this thread is full of fail sauce.

[Wonderful101]

Despite the abysmal sales, the Wii U still has the best exclusives.

I'm actually glad this is the case, since Nintendo needs to fix all the mistakes they have done to get to this point. The games are there, they just need better marketing, strengthen third party support (if not with multiplatforms, they should allow IP use a la Hyrule Warriors), create an account based online system for digital purchases, etc.

Nintendo hit rock bottom with the Wii U, it's time to rise.

[_LarZen_]

That's just pathetic. And it again proves that Nintendo should get out of the home console business. They should focus on 3DS and get their Nintendo IP's out on as many platforms as possible.

Nintendo is all about Nintendo games. The fanboys that bow to a lump of plastic should have no say in this.

[Orionsangel]

If these rumors are true let this be a lesson to third party developers who wanna strike deals for exclusives on consoles. You're limiting your market by a large degree. Especially on a third place console like the Wii U. Third party games should be released on all three consoles and PC to sell the most copies and make a large profit. Nintendo makes it difficult for third party developers by having a less powerful console than PS4 and Xbox One. You can't change how you produce a game just to accommodate one consoles limitations.

I hope Rise of Tomb Raider's launch on Xbox One is less than stellar for Crystal Dynamics. So it sends a message to these third party companies about making shady money deals with big companies. Yeah I know it's eventually coming to PS4, but hopefully sooner when Rise of the Tomb Raider sells poorly. Which shouldn't be hard judging from Crystal Dynamics and Square's high expectations in the selling department for the last Tomb Raider. They won't be satisfied.