Xbox One's eSRAM Brings It Close to PS4's GDDR5 Performance But Number of GPU Cores Still A Factor

Brad Wardell on the performance difference between the current gen consoles.

[darthv72]

I prefer to view these two as the Genesis and SNES of the 8th generation. The XB1 (Genesis) may be a bit underpowered in relation to the PS4 (SNES) but like their respected comparatives... both have great games to play.

And we could throw the Wii-u in there to play 3rd wheel like the TG16 did. Another unappreciated platform that often got overlooked.

[RocketScienceLvlStuf]

It's Brad Wardell again. The xbones number 1 cheerleader has his pom poms out.

It only brings it close on a tiny 32mb worth. PS4's memory bandwidth operates the same across the full 8 gigs.

Gpu is much stronger also.
50 percent more cores.
50 percent more shaders
50 percent more texture units.
100 percent more rops.
400 percent more ACE's

@livedeht.

One thing i've learned about xbone fanboys is that not only do they not like facts, they also bend and twist them when it comes to the points that they try to make themselves

@Bakpain.

I don't have any problems but thanks for your concern. For someone with a user name like "Bakpain" it sounds like you have your own problems to deal with

[BlackTar187]

man who cares.

[livedeht]

@ rocket, I don't know why people would disagree, you are stating fact lol. Does ps4 being more powerful then xboxone diminish your Xbox experience? Lol @ people who say resolution doesn't matter but turn around an say "wait for dx12" lol. Just enjoy what u have or buy both. (or all 3 in my case lol)

edit @ black, I care lol having both systems I have a choice in which version to buy lol. fyi xboxone is my "exclusivex box", ALL third party on ps4.

[LexHazard79]

If you're a genius, why cant you solve your own problems? One bubble...ok

[Silly gameAr]

Yeah, we get articles like this everyday and they all pretty much say the same thing. Samn ol song and dance.

[Pogmathoin]

Livedeth, you rockets personal cheerleader? How are your poms.... Again, people who act sony hardcore living there wet dreams on anything Xbox.... Sad....

[LexHazard79]

Lol...nothing a nice heat wrap cant take care of. Thank you for your concern as well.

Im not the Rocket Scientist, tho.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

"Gpu is much stronger also.
50 percent more cores.
50 percent more shaders
50 percent more texture units.
100 percent more rops.
400 percent more ACE's"

But what that being said a game like Destiny is 1080p on both.

900p on X1 and 1080p for PS4 is the result of what your saying so what about everything else?

I think I know. It means Infamous, Killzone, DC, GoW 4, Bloodborne, The Order and Uncharted 4 etc. are taking advantage what you just posted. Sony's machine is different than MS machine because X1 couldn't run those games properly or at all.

Halo 5 is rumored to be using, cloud compute for the AI, physics, 100's of enemies on screen, day and night cycles, big open world all while maintaining 60 frames.

PS4 is more capable but you need to understand how those numbers are being used.

[Pogmathoin]

And 3 more rain clouds in GTA5. You forgot that Rocket.

Livedeht, I was sarcartic with you, hope you got it... The cheerleader thing 😉

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

Clock Speed is also never mentioned...? So 18 core in the PS4's GPU @ 800mhz ea vs 12 Cores in X1's GPU @ 853mhz ea. so it's not as simple as just saying "Oh PS4 has 6 more cores!"

Same goes with the CPU side, 8 core CPU with a 1.75ghz per core clock speed on X1 and 1.6ghz on PS4.

Look up eSRAM or static RAM in general becuase you saying it's only 32mb shows you don't understand the cycles...

Im not saying clock speed is all the difference because it's not, but being we are comparing hardware, you have to analyze everything instead of just stating "Der haz mor corez hur durz" ;)

[Army_of_Darkness]

Does this mean we might see 910p on the latest xbone games?

[DEEBO]

Young brother preach!

The truth hurts that's why it's so many disagree's.

They both good systems, i play both of them but i know for a FACT the PS4 runs games better then the xbox one and has more games then the xbox one.

Psn and plus games count and PlayStation now too.

But i was happy that xbox one gold gave me rayman.

But where are the games for this year?

Why do i have to wait until the end of the year to get something good to play on the xbox one?

[_-EDMIX-_]

I can't stop laughing. I'm not sure why someone would think a software update would over take physical hardware.

Wouldn't that suggest that the PS4 can just do the same? lol Who the hell is holding out hope that some magic is going to happen and the XONE will be more powerful? That just makes no sense. Just get both and live life...

[Mrveryodd]

And Aussie servers . For Xbox one

[GMR_PR]

@_-EDMIX-_

I think the only people saying that are you guys... oh and misterX. Most of the XBO know it wont make the console stronger than the PS4. The hardware is what it is and no software can change that.

[gangsta_red]

@GMR_PR

That's the funniest part about it. No one is saying that the software update will make the hardware different. It's only certain folks from the sony crowd who keep reiterating this over and over again.

What's also hilarious is that Brad Wardell is actually saying that the PS4 is the more powerful system and is praising it as such. But some on here see Brad's name and automatically go into "he's a shill for Xbox".

[ProjectVulcan]

It's been 18 months.

PS4 is faster. The games prove it. On a raft, a great long list of multiplatform titles PS4 outperforms Xbox One consistently.

Ones in the past, the present and a bunch more of ones announced and upcoming with higher resolutions. How many more examples do you need?

Just....

Get over it. PS4 is faster. It's been ages. Accept it. Move past it. Stop bringing it up. Enjoy Xbox One's exclusives and stop bothering yourselves over this stone cold fact, the sooner the better.

[parentsbasement]

I just added all that up , the PS4 is now confirmed to be 650 percent MORE POWERFUL!!! (50 this plus 50 that plus 50 again plus 100 plus 400)....damn thing is a beast !!!

[Stiffler]

@Rocket

Brad Wardell is a cheerleader with pom poms because he has experience with DX12 and actually work with it every day? Oh, sorry that he isn't praising the PS4 like every other person on this site and because he's not, he's interpreted by the likes of your kind as a cheerleader -- So do tell us, what does that make you?

Oh boy, this site just gets better and better lol.

[Bdub2000]

@Rocket: Thanks for the explanation. Was that a copy and paste from 12 months ago? Can we move on from the whole "50% more powerful" thing? This article is clearly click bait. X1 owners gotta stop dreaming, it's not a PS4...

And let's all move on! The PS4 has the same edge today as it did last year, it's not going anywhere.

I guess all I'm saying is, unless the X1 starts putting out games at the same resolution and FPS as its Ps4 counterpart, I don't care about how great ESRAM is or how close it is to PS4.

[darthv72]

adding on to my comparison above... it all boils down to the games. There will be games released for both that cannot be played anywhere else. just as there will be games released on both that perform better on one than the other.

just like in the 4th gen, the difference in performance wasnt anything to keep me from enjoying the systems and the games. Im not going to let the differences in the 8th change that either.

play what you want but enjoy it for what it is. entertainment.

[wcas]

Xone fanboys don't like it when you confuse them with the facts. Brad Wardell and his apologetics don't change those facts. I like both consoles but many out right ignore or consistently deny the simple truth. It is no longer debated among knowleadgeable, informed, individuals but simply rejected by the uninformed. Of course there are those who are biased and want to perpetuate a false impression by babbling out vague tech talk that in reality changes little to nothing. PS4 hardware is simply more powerful for gaming, plain and simple.

[DigitalRaptor]

I understand you totally.

PS4 has better hardware, point blank.

DX12 is an api. It will allow developers to get the most out of a piece of hardware. It will never improve hardware. PS4 also has its own api which is maintained by Sony's ICE team and also allows developers to get the most out of the already stronger hardware. That api will not make PS4 hardware stronger either.

Wardell has become a controversial figure because he made some bogus claims about a technology he is passionate about for a game he is making, in a time where certain people needed something to believe in for their console of choice.
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@ gangsta_red

Living under a rock? Either that, or you are exaggerating the term "no one", because you must recall people on here like HeMan76 (and more recently, WCxAlchemist). The sheer number of obsessive PMs I received that guy telling me how DX12 was going to allow XB1 to stomp over PS4 in terms of hardware performance was overwhelming. Back before he mellowed out a bit on here, KNWS was also spouting the benefits of DX12 and how "he would be the one having the last laugh". I'm not really sure what to say to people who make these claims anymore.

Here's another example of a person thinking DX12 is going to make XB1 more powerful than PS4: https://www.youtube.com/wat... . He is part of a larger community that says these thing and believes them. There are LEGIONS of people out there who think that DX12 is going to make XB1 hardware surpass PS4, due to MisterX and regulated PR from Microsoft. So nope, it isn't "only certain folks from the sony crowd".

In fact, why am I even bothering with this? You are the one that actually believes no one is saying that software can make hardware better, when people in fact have been doing for the past few months and continue to make claims they cannot substantiate.

[rainslacker]

@Gangsta

I dunno, I rarely make the first comment on what may or will happen with DX12 in relation to X1, but I am constantly refuting posters who spread nonsense on what they think DX12 will do, despite obviously having no clue what they're talking about. They will often post things they consider to be facts, and in some cases post PR spin at face value on the most basic of computing principals like it actually means what it says.

I'll readily admit I don't know everything, but I understand the principals, and sometimes the actual practices, of what these same people are claiming will make the X1 some super beast of a machine, but trying to refute them, all I get is disagrees, or links to PR statements, which I could also say why the PR is not how things work in actual practice(ESRAM's 6GB's in 32MB being a huge misdirection).

I never get anyone who can actually refute anything I say, and at most I get someone who just rewords their original statement like saying it twice actually makes it true, despite the fact I actually refuted those same points in the prior post. In some cases they decide to change direction and start posting different FUD.

So yeah, there are people who aren't Sony fans, who do bring this stuff up in the way you say no one is.

This is actually the first time I've seen Wardell say that DX12 on X1 is going to be limited in some way(in this case the number of cores), so I wonder if I'll be seeing this quote from him in the future for people who use him as some sort of X1 messiah. I've never disliked Wardell. I just think people take his general claims about DX12 and apply them to X1, when most of the time they're not about the X1 at all.

I also think gamingbolt needs to find some other devs to talk about DX12 if they want to keep writing on it. Wardell is certainly qualified to talk about it, but he's not the only fish in the sea. If they could corroborate his comments among a larger dev community, then maybe the discussion could be more interesting, as it would hopefully not seem to be as much as him being a hype machine for MS...because let's face it, his excitement for it is a bit on the unhealthy side.

[gangsta_red]

@Digital

The only ones exaggerating are you guys, as you constantly attack anyone who thinks DX12 will improve game development. As you and others constantly want to specifically quote one part of Spencer's comment but omit the rest, claim that Wardell is a PR mouth piece or yell out MisterX or secret sauce.

There has been many devs that have stated the benefits of DX12 and it has been documented that it will benefit the production of game development. It's only then when you and others turn it into a resolution battle or "it won't change the hardware", and it's quickly posted when no one has even mentioned it.

You were also a main culprit of doing exactly this before you started to "mellow" out just recently.

And why do you keep linking fan made videos and trying to pass them off as fact? You do this all the time, as if posting these random fan made videos is some how the definite truth of any point you are trying to make.

Seriously who in this thread said that DX12 would make the Xbox One hardware stronger? You mostly see people saying that DX12 will benefit game development for the X1 and we will see improvements all around in upcoming games.

"Wardell has become a controversial figure because he made some bogus claims about a technology..."

And you have a better understanding on how DX12 works? What bogus claims has he made? Is this from your own experience when developing a game using DX12? Why is he controversial, because he is actually excited using a new API for a game he is making?

It's funny how a certain crowd is quick to run into every DX12 article to tell everyone how powerful their Sony PS4 is and how that is never going to change and yell FACT.

Or am I living under a rock when it comes to that too?

@Rainslacker

I find it equally hilarious how much you claim you spend trying to "refute" others when talking about DX12 when even you don't know what all DX12 will do for the X1.

"...as it would hopefully not seem to be as much as him being a hype machine for MS...because let's face it, his excitement for it is a bit on the unhealthy side."

Why? Why is it on the unhealthy side? If no one talked about it then people would accuse MS of not saying anything, it's not real or demanding proof of existence like cloud compute. But certain devs like Wardell and the current EA dev talk about DX12 and then they're accused of being a PR mouthpiece or a hype machine.

This site baffles me when it comes to this. Danged if you do, danged if you don't.

[TheCommentator]

@rainslacker

MS, at the 2013 Build Developers Conference, unveiled two tech demos running a 3GB texture on just 16MB of GPU memory. I understand that Tier 2 and Tier 3 tiled resources are even more efficient than that and so is eSRAM over GDDR5. If anything I'm on the cautious side in stating 6GB can be stuffed into just 32MB. I can't post links as I cannot copy/paste on XB1, but I encourage you to look this up if you were unaware.

My question to you is: If they demoed this tech working already, can you please explain the misdirection?

Edit @ comment 1.2.2

MS openly admitted that the XB1 has Full DX12 support, which requires new hardware for the PC to be released. No card supports Full DX12 except XB1 which means the hardware has been modified to take advantage of Full DX12. Look it up.

And Brad said today the gap would be really close in this article which is why I'll be laughing. It's what I've been saying based on my research all along.

Now you just want to walk around all proud peacock in here and trash me about previous posts when I didn't even post about any tech in this thread. Please behave.

[SilentNegotiator]

This is getting really pathetic.

It's been a year and a half, 90% of Ps4 games are 1080p/50% on Xbone, and people STILL can't get over Ps4 being more powerful? Sites like GamingBolt can still use this premise to get thousands of hits?

Just go back to pretending like lesser graphics somehow translate to better gameplay; this dead horse has been beaten into a paste.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@WankstaPink- " No one is saying that"

Yes...because you read all the comments in existence regarding this right?

The common belief I've read has been that some updates can fix the whole 900p situation when that is due to developers having a stronger system to bring the title to. Its more based on PS4 being stronger then XONE being weak.

If MS increased the gpu performance by magic some how, how do we know it would even be used to put a game in 1080p? For all we know, they would just use it to make the game more detailed and then put it on the PS4 in 1080p while leaving the XONE version in 900p.

[DrumBeat]

Although what you stated in terms of GPU spec is fact, the disagrees are probably pouring in because of your bit about Xbox fanboys.

All fanboys suck, but that statement wasn't even necessary.

[rainslacker]

I refute things that are wrong due to programming and engineering principals that exist in the real world. I don't need to know the specs of the X1 to be able to understand that people are saying things that are simply wrong.

ESRAM isn't an archaic principal specific to X1, it is based on pure physics of how computers work, and MS, or Wardell in some cases, have stated exactly what I say in my responses to above mentioned people.

Why unhealthy? Because no dev should be talking this much about a product that isn't their own. Go look up his history of hyping up things. I respect him, but know that when he hypes, things don't always work out. That was fine before any gamer knew who he was due to his comments on DX12, because his comments were mostly contained within the development community, where people understood what was being talked about, but now his comments are being used as reasons why X1 will surpass Sony, or come close...or whatever, even though most of the time he never says such things.

DX12 is already in the hands of developers. It's not contained to a few here or there. So that begs the question, if it's so amazing, why are there only 2-3 devs talking about it? It's obvious why EA wants it, because it is much needed on PC. It's obvious why Wardell would like it, he's primarily a PC dev. I wouldn't call EA a hype machine for DX12, but Wardell has some comment on it 2-3 times a week thanks to gaming bolt.

MS hasn't hyped up DX12 for the X1 anywhere close to the way Wardell has. In fact, the big man himself said that it wouldn't be dramatic. Why can't that official statement mean more than Wardell? Why can't that be used instead of the word and context of dramatic being changed to suit a person's arguments? That's what I feel DX12 will offer the X1. Some slight boosts for certain tasks. A refined approach to programming. A better pipeline for porting between PC and Xbox. Better communication between the CPU and GPU. But in all this, the most significant thing that DX12 has to offer(low level approach) is already done with the current Xbox API which I do know about, so it will not make that much of a difference.

IMO, the fact that when MS speaks on DX12 it is more often than not in reference to PC should be more than enough to quell the hype that some people are putting into it. If DX12 was such a game changer, MS would be touting it to high heaven, because God knows that they are falling way behind Sony and need something significant to entice people to buy the system.

@TheCommentator

I've explained in another reply to you exactly how tiled resources works. I won't repeat it here because obviously don't care to know. The demo wasn't putting 3GB's of textures into 16MB of memory. That would be physically impossible even with a highly compressed 8-bit(256 colors) image. Go do you're own research if my reply in another thread wasn't enough for you.

DX12 has had 3 significant changes in the last 5 months. How is it possible that the X1 has full DX12 support when DX12 itself isn't even finalized yet?

Again, Wardell says it'll be close. MS said it won't be dramatic. You'd take the word of Wardell over MS itself? To me, MS increasing the X1 performance almost 33% is pretty dramatic.

I don't walk around in here all proud. I correct erroneous statements because you express them with enough authority that I feel it's worth trying to get you to go do some actual research. That build conference you want to reference is a great place to start on what is actually happening in that demo if you care to read the technical notes on it.

[nix]

"Does ps4 being more powerful than xboxone diminish your Xbox experience?"

yes, it does. last gen we were told how inferior PS3 was by comparing the "grass blades" in multiplatform games. constantly. i'm sure the xbox fanboys felt superior knowing the grass blades were looking better on their systems.

come new generation, playing games on 40% less powerful machines will diminish their experience because "they" all know someone somewhere is playing the same game with better resolutions. almost 40% in some of the games.

it's a guy thing. can't be shrugged off.

so Ha!

[dantesparda]

"Xbox One's eSRAM Brings It Close to PS4's GDDR5 Performance "

And yet Mortal Kombat X, Project Cars and Witcher 3 say otherwise (all 1080p on the PS4 while only 900p on the XO). Its really pathetic how badly MS fanboys refuse to except the reality. Accept it the XO is inferior to the PS4, period! Even after all the SDK and API updates. You people look seriously stupid trying to say otherwise.

Fanboyism is pathetic!

[slasaru01]

Well, first of all, it's nit full 8 gigs, it's 4,5 gigs available.

[TheCommentator]

@rainslacker

Even when someone gives you source material you denounce it. To you there are no facts but your own. Your technobabble might as well have a bed beside Mr. X with all the claims you make but never provide proof for either. At this point, your opinion no longer concerns me because there is neither reason nor logic to most of your comments other than to boost your own ego or illicit an argument.

Data sheets showed XB360 had 4 fewer CPU cores, an inferior GPU, slower ram and an outdated media format and it still kept up with PS3. Design has made a difference in the past. I will continue to draw my own conclusions through credible research on reputable sites as I always have, and post my beliefs as I see fit. Right now that belief is that XB1 will close the gap but if research changes my mind, you'll read about it in my posts.

[rainslacker]

Sigh...I don't know why I bother.

Once again, 3GB's of textures ARE NOT being crammed into 16MB's of memory. That is physically impossible even at high compression which isn't suitable for games.

My "technobabble" is me stating facts. If you can't be bothered to figure them out that's your problem, but it would be nice if you would contain it to yourself instead of speaking on it like it's fact.

http://blogs.nvidia.com/blo...

Credible enough for you?

"To avoid the allocation of a prohibitive amount of memory, Tiled Resources are used to allocate only the memory required to compute the shadows for the current view, a tiny fraction of the total."

This is one way it can be used, but the principal is the same for other ways to use it.

This is EXACTLY what I have been saying to you in my replies to you. 3GB OF TEXTURES ARE NOT PUT INTO 16MB OF MEMORY. Instead, "tiles" are taken from a larger texture, and used to populate the rendering buffer, which is then rendered and passed off into the frame buffer for showing on the next render cycle.

This has been done for a while, and has been called Mega textures or tiled textures depending on the implementation. When this was introduced, the OpenGL community was asking, "Isn't this just tiled textures?". It's being done on the X1 now through the use of DX11.2. In essense, the effect is that you have 3GB's worth of textures in a much smaller space.

In relation to this article, and your original comment of how you'll be laughing, the ESRAM exist solely for the purpose of compensating for the X1's low memory bandwidth which would make the use of tiled resources laggy and likely useless. The process of tiled resources DOES NOT depend on ESRAM, but the X1 does depend on ESRAM to allow it to work.

Tiled resources through DX12 is going to have a hardware approach in the X1 given that it's part of the early design of DX12. A hardware approach is a good thing as it means things run without as much code overhead, but that doesn't make up for the raw speed and more power that the PS4 can give even with a relatively small piece of code handling tiled resources.

The technique literally requires a small index file, and 3 variables to look up and retrieve a texture. The software or hardware implementation of it means the X1 may page the memory a bit faster, but that benefit is lost due to the bandwidth limitation of the X1's system bus. The biggest reason this is an advantage is that it simplifies the developers work...as stated in the same linked article. Think...if it simplifies the task, why would it need simplifying if it wasn't being done already?

Design does make a difference in many things. I would never say otherwise. But MS design in regards to ESRAM is to compensate for them taking the cheap route and going with DDR3 memory and a slower memory bus. It does not exist to make the X1 some beast of a machine waiting to pounce and prove the haters wrong.

I encourage you to do research. More importantly, go learn some programming techniques in relation to memory management, and then maybe learn some things about how computers work. That would be more beneficial to you than trying to convince others you know what's up by repeating things which are inherently wrong, or at best, simply misunderstood due to your lack of knowledge which prevents you from seeing the whole picture.

[u got owned]

@dantesparda

Mortal Kombat X is not 900p get your facts straight.

http://n4g.com/news/1710285...

"...for the Xbox One, Mortal Kombat X switches between 1920 x 1080 and 1360 x 1080 resolutions in some places. "

[Condemnedman]

It's still a boring experience just like the ps3 was all graphics no soul.

[fayz]

4.5 gigs is just for games on ps4, whereas xbone has 5.5gb for games

gpu on ps4 is faster but to say its a huge difference is a lie in terms of real world performance. i for one don't see much difference.

[Gazondaily]

Ah the same old cycle again:

* Gamingbolt posts yet another DX12 article
* Wardell is the one singing praises
* Sony fanboys come in and are some of the first to comment and tell everyone how all xbox fans are deluded.

Same s*** different toilet.

We all know that the X1 will simply not match the PS4's power. If DX12 helps the X1 get better, which it will, then that's great but we've been told MULTIPLE times from official sources that it won't be a massive . Ah I actually cbA.

[AndrewLB]

AngelicIceDiamond- Except that Killzone: Shadowfall was NOT a 1080p game. It ran at 960x1080 and they used a temporal frame interleave trick where it was only rendering every other line of horizontal resolution kinda like how interlaced video signals work, except a little more high tech.

So the number of pixels rendered on screen for KZ:SF was a little more than you'd render for a 720p image.

720p: 1280x720 = 921,600 pixels
KZSF: 960x1080 = 1,036,800 pixels
900p: 1600x900 = 1,440,000 pixels
1080p: 1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels

[Why o why]

'The only ones exaggerating are you guys, as you constantly attack anyone who thinks DX12 will improve game development.'

What a stupid comment....did you turn into the internet iilluminati or something. Theres hyperbole and then theres a step above which bordering on straight up lies. Take the blinkers off. I'm not even saying ps4 cant talk ###t because we can but to exonerate everyone in a camp....lmfao. You honestly believe all x1 fans accept they support the 'less capable' console? You really believe many x1 owners dont hope and wish the software updates make bigger improvements than they're actually capable of?....

@ septic.... thats the thing, some do not accept that. Even you saying that will irk some x1 fans but they can never call you a sony fanboy without looking dumb. Its beating a dead horse for sure but for some to go on like its just sony fanboys 'exaggerating' is beyond foolish and very myopic. Improvements can be made on all hardwares but not to the level some spew circa every single secret sauce and dx article gen start to present day

[IrishSt0ner]

"It only brings it close on a tiny 32mb worth. PS4's memory bandwidth operates the same across the full 8 gigs."

LMAO you think eSRAM = 0.4% of 8GB GDDR5

Hey how come the 8 core CPUs in consoles are over 8x weaker than my 4 core CPU.. sure they have more cores!!! ROFL

[LordMaim]

Really. Why is it that every time I see a piece praising Xbox One hardware, the quote is coming out of the mouth of Brad Wardell? Is he shopping Stardock out to Microsoft for sale?

[KirbysDump]

I like my Xbox thanks. keep your graphically led story games like The Order and Bloodborne

[Eonjay]

Once again, graphics matter when its time to here Brad give arbitrary info about ESram or DX-12, but if the Xbox comes up short in resolution then its "Graphics don't matter" time. This is getting old.

[Captain_TomAN94]

@RocketScienceLvlStuf

Bingo! Even the ESRAM is only like 10% faster than the GDDR5, and it is so small it's laughable.

And at the the end of the day even if the X1 had 8GB of ESRAM the PS4's other hardware advantages would STILL cause it to win in performance.

[darthv72]

for the record, the hardware gap will always be there. but the talent of the developers and the familiarity of the platform will help to make that gap not so much an argument.

i am reminded by the games of the genesis when it first came out and seeing how they evolved into something that didnt seem possible. with effects like scaling and rotation and transparency that we were told could not be done because the hardware lacked the ability.

And the same for the snes games and how they initially started out with slowdown like crazy. But time and effort and familiarizing themselves with these platforms is where the developers learned what they can and can't do.

the hardware never changed during that gen. they just got better at utilizing it. So why do we still insist on arguing about the current gen when every other before it has been the same basic premise?

What you start out with (game wise) does not mean it will be what you end up with. Things improve over time and that requires talent and dedication to make that happen.

Games made exclusively will be the ones to demonstrate what time and dedication can do. Games that are multi will still be like they always have. they strive for some sort of parity but ultimately there will be those few where one leads the other.

But dont let the "gap" keep you from enjoying these games or the systems that play them.

[gangsta_red]

@Why o why

Take the blinders off..?

Look who is in here spouting off first about the PS4 hardware being superior. No where did Darth even suggest that DX12 will make X1 hardware surpass PS4. It wasn't until certain folks came in here and started the same PS4 is "teh best hardware" crap.

I love that you want me to take the blinders off but yet your the one walking around in a dark room yelling at me to watch where I'm going.

"@ septic.... thats the thing, some do not accept that."

Who is this some? Talk about hyperbole, Illuminati and anything else you can throw out there. No one is saying DX12 it will improve the hardware, but it sure doesn't stop some from the sony crowd to still post PS4 specs, talk about secret sauce, and call Wardell a PR mouthpiece and also claim that X1 fans are delusional now does it.

[fr0sty]

*brings 32mb of its memory close to the performance of ps4's gddr5.

[TheCommentator]

@ Rocket 1.1

I'm going to laugh when, as Brad just said, the gap closes and none of those numbers make sense any more. Brad works with this stuff every day and his statements keep getting better as he continues to work with DX12 on XB1. Just deal with it already.

[johndoe11211]

Do you have any idea who brad wardell is without googling it? If they had asked the Quantic Dream CEO to comment on both systems and he said the ps4 was way more advanced than the xboxone would you have had the same approach? Even though he is qualified to make his statement? Then again, do you know who quantic dream are?

[rainslacker]

What are you going to laugh about? The numbers don't make sense to you now, so I doubt when you start throwing in all these specialized memory management programming techniques they'll be any clearer for you.

Memory management for games is a specialized field of programming and can take years to learn, and several years of experience before you ever get a job programming a game using them. Given all that, how could you possibly think that you understand what he's saying now, much less talk about memory speeds and management like you do all the time?

Last gen the Cell chip was foreign to programmers, and now this whole tiled resources with a hardware cache handling it is going to be, whereas on the PS4 everything is able to directly access system memory at very fast speeds.

Did you notice where he said that number of GPU cores is still a factor? Did you know that the cores are what do the actual work within a GPU? Doesn't matter how much memory or bandwidth you have if the cores aren't there to handle the data when it arrives. This is exactly what people have been saying since the beginning...the X1 has weaker hardware, and no amount of memory customization will change that. The ESRAM is, and always will be a way to overcome the bandwidth limits of the DDR3 RAM. It doesn't enable tiled resources(that'd be available either way), it doesn't allow for 6GB's of textures to fit in 32MB's...despite the demo you wanted to reference in another thread because it's still not what's happening, it's just having a similar effect, but it's limited in application.

Also, I want to point out, because of a comment in another thread, You have absolutely no idea if X1 was designed to have hardware accelerated DX12, or if it's tiled resources implementation is software or hardware driven. MS rushed the X1 out the door, and in the 5 months I've been working with DX12, things have changed with the API, so for all you know, X1 is running based on assumptions of DX12 that are no loner relevant.

One more thing...since I said something to gangsta above, and low and behold here you are...how come when I refute anything you say with easily verifiable facts, do you simply dismiss it and not actually use facts to prove me wrong?

[SilentNegotiator]

Let me know when the gap closes. Meanwhile, the Ps4 is holding steady at 90% of its games being 1080p and Xbone at 50%.

[SpinalRemains138]

That's the point!

If the sane questions were asked to a Linux developer, the answers regarding the XOnes hardware would be not favorable at all.

Context.

[miyamoto]

Don't you dare compare the Japanese Sega Genesis to the American Xbox brand.
That is blasphemy.
They are totally different situations under different circumstances.
Sega Genesis was the hero underdog that garnered 60% market share from the vice like grip monopoly of Nintendo.
You do not know what you are talking about.

OT
This is like so many Xbox Nazi prisoners of war behind bars here bugging the Allied soldiers that Germany is still winning World War 2.
LOL!

Looks like M$ is still using the same PR tactics to give them publicity.

Joseph Goebels:

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

The complete quote is:
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Joseph Goebbels did say it. Don't sell him short. he was an extremely intelligent man, a brilliant manipulator, and was Hitler's Master of Propaganda. Goebbels's deeply rooted contempt for humanity, his urge to sow confusion, hatred and intoxication, his lust for power and his mastery of the techniques of mass persuasion were given full vent in the election campaigns of 1932, when he played a crucial role in bringing Hitler to the centre of the political stage. He was rewarded on 13 March 1933 with the position of Reich Minister for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda, which gave him total control of the communications media - i.e. radio, press, publishing, cinema and the other arts. He retained this position for his lifetime. He was Hitler's right hand man until their deaths. He chose to suicide himself and poison his wife and 6 kids so as to die with Hitler.With characteristic pathos and egomania he declared not long before his death: 'We shall go down in history as the greatest statesmen of all time, or as the greatest criminals.'

He also said:
“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”

Whoever can conquer the street will one day conquer the state, for every form of power politics and any dictatorship-run state has its roots in the street.”

“If the day should ever come when we [the Nazis] must go, if some day we are compelled to leave the scene of history, we will slam the door so hard that the universe will shake and mankind will stand back in stupefaction..”

(obviously it was said in German...not English so some translations may be slightly different)

The truth is the greatest enemy of the Xbox One and Xbox extremists.

[fr0sty]

@darth, the genesis had a much faster processor than SNES, even though SNES had more colors on screen and better sound (in addition to mode 7 scaling/rotation), so the comparisons aren't as direct.

[darthv72]

the comparisons are just fine. the xb1 has a faster cpu (genesis). the ps4 has the better gpu (snes).

what it really boils down to are the games. both will have games the other one wont. And both will have games that will perform better on one than the other.

in no way did there being a difference ruin my enjoyment of the 4th gen systems and games. im not going to let it ruin my enjoyment of the 8th gen when i get a xb1 and ps4.

[fr0sty]

XO's CPU clock is a negligible amount higher than PS4's, whereas PS4's GPU is quite a good bit ahead of XO's. Genesis' CPU was considerably faster than SNES', to the point that certain games on SNES would experience "Slowdown" as the FPS dropped to a crawl, and the genesis versions would buzz right along. Sonic wouldn't have been possible on SNES due to the speeds. There aren't any games on XO that wouldn't be possible on PS4 due to a difference in CPU speed... So the comparison couldn't be farther off.

[UltraNova]

What I want to now is how much more heat would a 0.15Ghz boost would give off...hence why isn't Sony boosting the ps4's CPU already?

[darthv72]

sorry for the late reply frosty but... you are reading too much into it. you sound like everyone else who just cant accept facts that while something may be more powerful than something else it doesnt diminish the fun factor that the underpowered system can produce.

A game like sonic could have been done on the snes. A game like fzero could have been done on the genesis (and it is actually in indie form) but why argue hypotheticals. it's pointless unless it actually happens.

Sega owned sonic and was not going to make it for the snes. nintnendo owned fzero and was not going to make it for the genesis. As for the whole slowdown thing, yeah early games had slowdown but did they continue to have slowdown as newer games were developed for the snes? No.

Early genesis games didnt have transparency and scaling / rotation like mode 7. But surprisingly enough... really smart programmers found ways to give the system that sort of graphical abilities in games like contra hard corps, ranger x... etc.

the hardware never changed in both examples. only the familiarity of working with them did. we can apply that same basic principal to all other platforms over the years.

The hardware gap will never close but these games can be created to make you put aside that argument even if its for a short time and get back to what really matters. Playing really fun games.

is it that hard to understand or do you want to keep arguing specs?

[BlackWolf12]

What the hell is wrong with people?

We are nearly 2 years into this generation and websites and the community are STILL going on about this hardware stuff?

[UltraNova]

Well it lasted 8 years last gen so don't expect this debate to end anytime soon.

[SpinalRemains138]

Last generation there were ppl counting the blades of grass in Red Dead Redemption and anything remotely resembling an inferior PS3 game was lauded as the end for SONY.

For more than 6 straight years.

What's with the selective memory around here?

[alabtrosMyster]

There is no parallel there, the genesis was released almost two years before the SNES, yet it could trade blows with tthe newer machine and surpass it in many ways (flickers and slowdowns anyone?)

The older machines also had completely different architectures, which made most ports very different across both machines, it was really nothing like modern machines.

The XB1 is just a lesser machine, there is no redeeming quality to it.

[filchron]

Please never compare the xbone to the genesis. that would imply that the xbone has faster and more thrilling games than PS4. that wholly not being the case, dont compare the two.

[Saladin416]

SNES Aladdin was shit compared to the Genesis Aladdin

[BlackTar187]

Genesis Aladdin was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO good.

Now i'm singing Aladdin songs THANKS ;P

Thanks for the nostalgia

[RosweeSon]

But then the mega drive/genesis street fighter 2 was better than the SNES Version.. No chance ;) fully agree tho Aladdin was all about Sega back then. I agree with first person also that there will be great games on both systems it's just with the xbox one going down and down in price im more than happy to wait it out and put the money I save towards all the games I want for it, next 12 months sure I'll grab one but not in a major rush. Had 9 years of xbox 360 fancied a change myself. Loving it! That and so far it's not had a console seller for myself, Halo collection looks ok but ive played 3/4 of the games) don't need a whole new console just to play again, sunset overdrive looks pretty good but all the or majority of 3rd party games run much better on ps4 don't care about missing out on early DLC, I'll have it late looking fresh play tested to death and working sweet as a nut.

[rainslacker]

And the TG-16 SF2 blew them both out of the water despite having a weaker CPU and GPU. :P

Gotta love those specialized co-processors...except in the Saturn where they overdid it.

But they were all good systems.:)

[darthv72]

To be fair, both Aladdin games were done by different developers. they werent meant to be anything alike other than the name and basic premise.

Capcom did the SNES one and Virgin did the Genesis one.

[thekhurg]

Disney animators helped on the Genesis version. The same efforts weren't put in to the SNES version.

[muzikjunkie80]

I like how you got disagrees on stating FACT lol this site is a joke!

[UltraNova]

@ muzik

The earth rotates the sun on yearly basis.

Look at the the disagrees...

[SpinalRemains138]

Ultra,

The Earth does one full rotation every 24 hours, and one full revolution around the sun every year.

So the Earth does not rotate around the sun once a year. It rotates daily and revolves annually.

Disagrees warranted.

[UltraNova]

spinal,

Hahaha nice try but you know as everybody else what I meant and how I said it is correct...

to poke back at you now

"The Earth does one full rotation every 24 hours, and one full revolution around the sun every year. "

The earth rotates around where? the neighbourhood? On its axis is the answer and completes a full CONSTANT rotation around its axis APPROXIMATELY every 24hrs.

To be exact and to prove you are wrong of course, a days lasts about 23 hours and 56 minutes not 24hrs (axis rotation is the key word here).

So...disagrees on your comment warranted.

[DanielGearSolid]

Its embarassing how many stories have been posted from gamingbolt about what this ONE guy said

[Sir_Simba]

Like I alway say it always this site.

[gfk342]

Brad Wardell is a joke of the gaming industry. He cannot stop spreading confusing and contradictory information.

Just to remind everybody, last year this guy said that DX12 will double the power of X1 (I do not have the mood to find the link, but you can google it).

I think that when Phil Spencer said “On the DX12 question, I was asked early on by people if DX12 is gonna dramatically change the graphics capabilities of Xbox One and I said it wouldn’t. I’m not trying to rain on anybody’s parade, but the CPU, GPU and memory that are on Xbox One don’t change when you go to DX12", he was referring to Brad Wardell's parade.

This guy shouldn't have had more than 5 minutes of fame to begin with, but the desperation and hope of SOME fans that X1 will see a performance come back, made Brad Wardell a false icon.

[gfk342]

Just to add some points to my above comments.

Not long ago, Brad Wardell said that no resolution difference will exist between PS4 and X1 due to especially the X1 eSRAM ( http://n4g.com/news/1697787...

However, in this article he says that "Yeah. I mean to the people who are really hardcore they’re always going to find a difference". As regards the EsRam he says in the same article that the "eSRAM does not quite make up for it but it makes it really close,”

So I am totally confused by the contradictory declaration. Brad Wardell is simply a flip flopper that only seeks attention, just it.

However, I observed that in this article finally gave up and admited that "The hardware on the PlayStation 4 in my opinion is better than the hardware on the Xbox One.”

Further to the above, for me Brad Wardell is a closed case.

[Pandamobile]

I don't know what circles your in, but Brad Wardell is hardly an industry joke.

The dude's a brilliant technical mind and actively engages with his industry colleagues through Twitter. He tweets his day to day progress on making cutting edge game engines and these bottom feeder websites like Gamingbolt and Dualshockers pick up on it and turn every tweet into an inflammatory N4G-ready article.

[rainslacker]

To be fair, DX12 has changed some since it was revealed. I would also think that given some of these changes that last year he may have been right, and now he may also be right. To be fairer, he's probably didn't have all the hardware specs and DX12 documentation when he made that statement last year.

To be fair to us though, he shouldn't have made the assumption back then, since no one but MS really knew, and Phil Spencer already addressed that, but some Xbox fans didn't want to listen.

I don't think of Wardell as a joke. He's actually quite a skilled and talented programmer. However, I have watched this guy for a very long time, and he is prone to hyping up things that don't go anywhere...OS/2 being the biggest example(Even when IBM gave up on it)...for those old enough to remember that one.:) DX12 will have legs though...at least until MS wants to release a new OS and they force the upgrade like they do every time.

He may be a joke to some gamers, but he is very respected in the development community.

[SpinalRemains138]

This is going to get hot very quickly.

[frostypants]

Did I wake up back in 2013? Why are people still writing articles about this?

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Well the X1 is inconsistent. Just when you think 1080p will be the norm on X1 900p hits outta nowhere.

Not that it really matters in the grand scheme of things just further proves PS4's slightly capable hardware.

[Why o why]

Lol...

Hey, if you want better graphics get a pc right......./s

I was beginning to believe x1 gamers didnt want graphical improvements.

[SilentNegotiator]

Out of nowhere? ~50% of Xbone games are under 1080p....how could half of the games be "out of nowhere"?

http://www.ign.com/wikis/xb...

[Why o why]

Lmao but to be fair.... the ratio isn't as it was a yead ago. The gap still exists its just not as vast

[frostypants]

It will always be a tradeoff...900P with better textures and effects and/or FPS, or 1080p with a few less textures/effects and lower FPS. This will never NOT be the case with this gen of consoles. People get too hung up on resolution...it's just another graphical element to be balanced with everything else. Yes, the PS4 is definitely more powerful, bottom line. But for both consoles, 1080p will usually come at a cost. The amount of horsepower that can be saved and used elsewhere by bumping down to 900p is significant.

At least we're not stuck with 720p games left and right.

[JohnathanACE]

The Xbox's eSRAM is basically just a large cache memory and while it does help with the flow of information the PS4's GDDR5 still allows for better bandwidth. Plus the PS4 GPU is 50% more powerful so with hardware advantages like that the Xbox will always be a little bit behind.

[SpinalRemains138]

Right, meaning efficient code or software will free up resources of existing hardware, not make that hardware better.

This is why the secret sauce is never taken seriously by anyone. It is nothing more than fantasy.

[rainslacker]

I wouldn't say it's basically a cache memory. It's kind of a specialized cache memory, otherwise they wouldn't talk about it since cache memory has existed in every processor since the Pentium. It facillitates the exchange of specific types of information between system memory and the GPU, leaving the CPU out of the equation, which is different than a traditional cache. It exist to allow for higher bandwidth on the frame buffer giving the frame buffer by giving close to the same bandwidth for the GPU to work with, as opposed to the PS4 which can access the shared system memory directly at the same or better speeds without the 32MB limit.

Both techniques have merits, but ESRAM requires that games be specifically coded to take advantage of it, where as on the PS4, it's a more traditional set up of a GPU just having graphics memory...despite it being shared since it uses it's own bus. In some ways, this is why all those "Easy PC ports" that X1 fans are clammoring on about aren't going to be as amazing as they are thinking....because those ports probably won't take that much advantage of the ESRAM, and would certainly take more than a day or two to really make any PC game run well on an X1. A straight 2 day port would probably run like it would on a shared memory laptop with equivalent hardware...since that's basically what the consoles are.

[polow got sol]

Whenever you see a x1 game 900p or lower just know the dev is lazy.

[Haru]

90% of the developers must be lazy then

[SilentNegotiator]

50%, actually, but you're still right.

[LexHazard79]

It could be some devs are having issues understanding the Xbox One hardware. I believe Diablo 3 and I forgot the other game that were running at sub 1080p, til devs got in touch with MS for a walk through and achieved the 1080p.

Still, there is an obvious bottleneck somewhere and theres to many sub 1080p games on XB1 to say all devs are lazy if they dont achieve 1080p.

[LonDonE]

The other game your thinking of was Destiny which was 900p on xbox one till ms sent engineers to bungie to help out, the end result being system parity with both the ps4 and x1 rendering the game at native 1080p.

[frostypants]

Lazy? Just because they may have prioritized other graphical items over resolution? Do people like you understand how computers work?

[jhoward585]

Both systems(x1/ps4) should have about the same amount of cores to utilize. Remember, the x1 has a separate processor to handle audio whereas the ps4 has to use a couple of its gpu cores to handle the audio.

Not to mention, the kinect's hardware resources are now available to the devs for game use. So expect x1 game sounds to be better(meaning more controlled audio channels) than sony's game sounds once DX12 is released later this year.

[MasterCornholio]

"Remember, the x1 has a separate processor to handle audio whereas the ps4 has to use a couple of its gpu cores to handle the audio."

"The Playstation 4’s audio chip has remained somewhat of a mystery until recently, when during AMD APU2013 conference AMD revealed the PS4’s audio chip is based on their TrueAudio API and chip technology technology. Let’s explore exactly what AMD’s true audio technology is, and how it will benefit not only the PS4 but possibly PC Gaming too."

http://www.redgamingtech.co...

Um what?

[MeliMel]

Lol....you made it seem like the PS4 has some revolutionary sound chip. Reading the article I was surprised at how old the tech is. Also it would have been around a long time ago if not for Vista screwing everything up. AMD was smart in putting it on PS4, devs have to program for it, which will allow the tech to take off on PC as well but only if devs use it.

[jhoward585]

I haven't been keeping up with tech stuff lately.
But what I said on my post was kind of like what the article you've provided me was saying.

I have no doubt Ps4's true audio chip would be more realistic than the x1's audio. If you notice in my last commit I made I said the x1 would most likely have more control over their audio channels. From a technical point of view, The x1's audio channels are most likely divided between the kinect and game sounds.

Ok, Now that the Kinect resources are open for game usage devs should have full control of all audio channels.

Not to mention what was said in this article below:

Microsoft’s Xbox One also has a custom built audio processor – but that’s being used for many things, including kinect. For AMD’s Radeon graphic card they’re using the Tensillica audio DSP – which is a somewhat off the shelf component. It’s somewhat of a mixture of a fixed function and a fully programmable processor. This means that power costs along with the size of the thing are <MINIMAL> and yet is pretty damn flexible.

X1's audio has a separate processor. Its a hardware component whereas the Ps4's audio chip is handle by software API. Software is good and all, but having a compute task handled by hardware is always better Than software of the same(or similar)hardware.

Expext x1 games to have lots of sounds booming all over the place.

[jhoward585]

@MeliMel

You're absolutely right. The DSP(digital signal processor) is a dinosaur. Its was used in the super NES which made it shine back then. I find it quite surprisingly that the article he provided me didn't classify the DSP as an <off the shelve tech> considering how old it is.

DSP is nothing new.

[livedeht]

Lol @jhoward, dude the specs for each system are a Google search away. Don't spread false info...the ps4 has the same audio processor as xboxone lol, if anything the Xbox one is at a disadvantage because ps4 has a dedicated processor and ram to handle background tasks that the Xbox one has to use a portion of it's main cpu and ram lolololol not to mention the 8gigs of gddr5 and 50% more powerful gpu lololol...btw happy xboxone owner here (i enjoy the system despite it's faults)

[MasterCornholio]

Well I still proved that it has an audio chip. Where's your evidence that it doesn't?

Google isn't that difficult to use.

[frostypants]

@jhoward585: "the ps4 has to use a couple of its gpu cores to handle the audio. "

LOLWUT? Well...I've had enough internet for today, I think...that one will be hard to top.

[joeorc]

No..no..no..the PS4 does indeed has a separate Audio processor on board, how many times are we going to keep seeing that posted..that is completely wrong. The truth is there is indeed a separate audio processor on the PS4. Or is Mark Cerny wrong about that also?

[zsquaresoff]

A genuine question? Why is every article about Xbone always about the hardware and not about software?

What are their upcoming games?

What could be their exclusive unannounced games?

What games exclusives are they planning on pitting against Sony exclusives?

How are their exclusives selling? Any numbers for sunset over drive or halo Mcc?

All we get is news about the cloudz, esram and Dx12.

[tuglu_pati]

You know this is a dev and not MS, right? People talking about hardware usually are devs and other people from the industry. MS barely talks about XBO hardware.

[zsquaresoff]

Im talking about why don't people publish articles about xbox games and just post hardware related articles.

It seems everyone wants to just somehow prove that xbone = ps4 as far as hardware is concerned.

All I want to know is what are the sales figure of sunset over drive sell? Was it profitable enough for a sequel, will that sequel be an ms exclusive as well.

whatever happened to quantum break? Questions like these is what Im interested in.

[tuglu_pati]

@zsquaresoff

"It seems everyone wants to just somehow prove that xbone = ps4 as far as hardware is concerned. "

I don't think that is the case, if you read the article Brad Wardell clearly says the PS4 has a better hardware. Here is the quote.

"The real problem is that the Xbox One only has 12 what you would call cores on their GPU and I think the PlayStation 4 has around 18. The hardware on the PlayStation 4 in my opinion is better than the hardware on the Xbox One."

More like it seems like some people here don't like news that mention any progress with the XBO and they get defensive.

[MasterCornholio]

Well at least he's being honest.

I really appreciate Brad being so straight forward with us.

[Software_Lover]

I will play and enjoy the games on both. I'll let other people argue over specs. Specs will not bring Halo, Sunset Overdrive to PS4. Specs will not bring Uncharted or Infamous to XB1.

[_-EDMIX-_]

I mean.....Sunset Overdrive's IP is owned by Insomniac....

[SmokingMonkey]

Not good when you have to use words like:

"Brings it close"

and

"______ still a factor"

to defend your cause.

[GMR_PR]

What cause?

[SmokingMonkey]

I'm not hating on the Xone, it just feels like a "reach" when you have to say things like "it comes close."

I know the Xone is a very capable machine.

[GMR_PR]

Yeah but you said:

"Not good when you have to use words like: ..."

Not so good to who? This article is about a dev talking about hardware differences. You act like this is MS trying to justify something.

[claudionmc]

@GMR_PR indeed, it is a developer trying to justify something.

[WizzroSupreme]

A fun game's a fun game, no matter what the resolution's like. Gameplay and functionality comes first for me.

[ThePresentIsAgift]

I recently downloaded ePSXe for my Xperia Z3, pretty bad-ass playing Parasite Eve from a mobile device. The graphics aren't great compared to the modern games and PS1 code isn't exactly Android friendly (ramp up the graphics and watch the frames drop to single digits haha) but it's a great experience and one of my favourite PS1 games of all time.

What happened to the experience and enjoyment of playing games? Killzone 1 was bug ridden in it's day on PS2 but god I loved that game (as did many others), it had so much character and was one of the very first FPS I played online competitively. Pistols only on the space platform was hella good fun and reminded me of the Goldeneye N64 days.

[hello12]

I agree the PS4 GPU is more powerful than the x box 1 GPU (raw performance) but the PS4 CPU is slower than the x box 1 CPU so its not a complete wash out. The PS4 GPU does have 18 compute units but there is still some unknowns a leak from Sony said 14+4 was the configuration used for the PS4 now that doesn't mean them 4 extra CU's can't be used for graphics. What i think is happening Sony uses those 4 CU's for other things to balance the system out. X box 1 has only got 12 CU's its not as good as a 14+4 setup.

The biggest problem for x box 1 i think is the memory configuration ESRAM requires more work there is even evidence some third party devs are skipping using it altogether for games. I think Microsoft is trying to help that by introducing a new Esram pix with dx12.

I agree with Brad if Sony had better software tools the differences would be more noticeable like there is a power difference 50% is a joke lets be honest resolution differences is not a 50 per cent power difference. Currently its about a 10 to 15 per cent difference.

The x box 1 hardware is more complicated than we first thought though and here's why and this is not a misterx theory its a fact. The recent SDK leak revealed the the x box 1 has two GCP's (graphic command processors) the odd thing about this is no GPU today has two graphic command processors.

There is genuine debate what its doing for the x box 1 is it there for dx12? We don't know till dx12 comes out what the second one is doing its not normal to have it. Breakdown of the PS4 hardware tech by extremetech reveals the PS4 only has one graphic command processor.

[Unarmed_Civilian]

Ps4 can use all 18 CUs.

8GB ddr3 at 68GB/s and32 mb esram at theoretical 208GB/s cant compete with PS4s one pool of 8gb gddr5 at 176GB/s.

50 percent more cores.
50 percent more shaders
50 percent more texture units.
100 percent more rops. ( important for resolution)
400 percent more ACE's (asynchronous compute on PS4 is the same as on amd r9 290)

Its not so hard to use google you know....

[stuna1]

Those are undeniable facts hardware wise! Stronger hardware = stronger hardware period. This point has always held true with PC's. So why shouldn't the same principal apply for consoles!? Even with the benchmarked performances of DX12 on different cards the differences didn't go away!? They were still there, a lower rated card wasn't able to out perform a higher rated or more powerful card. Every card tested showed marked improvements performance wise across-the-board.

Which brings me to my next point as far as the "Cloud" is concerned. The Xbox1 bandwidth is what like 68 GB a sec? Supposedly the 32 mb cashe is supposed to allow the Xbox1 bandwidth to reach a theoretical 202 GB a sec. But this is where the problems start cropping up!

1) The 32 mb cashe of EsRam is not for sustain usage; Meaning it's only available at specific points or tasks.

2) Even after the up clock of Xbox1 CPU the difference when it came to increased bandwidth were minimal at best.

3) Now that Kinects 2 is no longer a necessary part of the equation, why hasn't there been any mention of the 8 percent of resources dedicated to it?

4) Considering the Xbox1 bandwidth is dictated in the same manner as your everyday run-of-the-mill internet provider bandwidth, the reason it likely unfeasable and flat-out unlikely that the "Cloud" will "Not" even live up to a fraction of the claims Microsoft are making.

5) The Internet provider themselves have insured that Xbox1 supposed reliance on the "Cloud" can never be fully realized at this point in time! Even the upload vs the download speeds impede that. Even those with optic fiber would have to invest in the best possibly packet speeds.

6) The Xbox1 bandwidth is also a restricting factor even with the burst of extra bandwidth povided by the intermittent help of the the 32 mb cashe of EsRam. Imagine turning on a water faucet then turning it off intermittently! Now just like the flow of water, imagine that as a actual game reliance on the "Cloud".

[stuna1]

The PS4 has 20 cores, with 2 of them being disabled.

The Xbox1 has 14 cores, with 2 of them also being disabled.

The purpose was for in the case or event a core failed, there would be backups, and also their manufacturing technique was producing cores that couldn't be used due to defects. So to cut production cost they elected to use silicon chips that may or did have 1 defective core and they decided to disabled 1 more for a backup core.

[rainslacker]

As I recall a couple cores were locked out to never be used to increase manufacturing yield. Much like they did on the Cell processor. MS does the same thing. I can't remember how many cores are locked out of each one but at most it's 2, so either way, PS4 still has more to work with.

I believe after the lockout, you have 12 cores for X1, and 18 cores for PS4.

The 14+4 relates to 14CU's being available for rendering, whereas the other 4 are there for GPGPU tasks, which include things offloaded from the CPU to compute on the GPU which can handle certain tasks faster(GPU bound) This is why the increased speed on the X1 isn't that big a deal(even if it was significant), because those tasks will always run faster on the GPU, and the PS4 has 4 CU's dedicated to actually run those kinds of tasks, which a CPU will not have without serious hits to performance.

14+4 is not an uncommon way to refer to such things, so it was never actually a secret, and GPU bound games are much more common nowadays. It's rather funny, because the PS3's Cell setup was very similar, yet foreign to many devs for years, but a lot of the things being done with games today(or computers in general) originated from Cell technologies.

Edit: Thinking on it a bit

On a side note, I can't find the link, so I won't say it as fact, but I believe Mark Cerny himself said that the devs can use any set up of CU's that they want, and weren't restrained by the 14+4 setup, but could go 18+0, 17+1, 12+6, or whatever. This would mean the +4 wasn't actually dedicated, but is variable based on the developer's needs.

[Saithraphim]

Im sure when he says the software on the xbox is better he's refering to the over engineered solution they came up with for the OS's....i dont personally care about the OS bc i bought my sytem to play games. I think the OS on a console should be as light weight as possible.

[rainslacker]

A complex OS isn't that big of a deal when using a hypervisor setup like MS or Sony is doing. However, since the X1 requires that parts(most of it actually for snap features) of it's bloated OS are available while playing a game, it will always take up resources. This is somewhat true on the PS4 as well, like if you have a mic you can use OS voice commands, so even if you disable it, it's still resident in memory taking resources from games.

In MS setup, much of the OS is still taking up resources, whereas in Sony's setup many resources are unavailable while a game is active on a screen until you switch to the OS hypervisor which takes some resources away from the game, making it unplayable to varying degrees. In MS setup, there is actually a 3rd OS which handles both OS's, which seems redundant to me, but hypervisors aren't my forte so maybe there's a good reason for it.

[spacedelete]

people arguing over which is better when its pointless as 90% of the games this gen are remasters.

[Whirlwind_Fanfare_08]

Sorry brad, it won't. Damn i really wish he shut the **** up!
long as gamingbolt still around, these types of articles will keep coming. -_-

[Draven1234]

Who cares? I bought an Xbox One because I like Microsoft products...... I don't care if the specs ever match those of the PS4. If they're trying, that's good, but it ain't important. All I care about is playing the games, and having great service.

[Iluvtrim]

Brad is a genius. Man knows what he is talking about. Time will tell. Greatness truly awaits with the XO. 😀

[iTechHeads]

lol

[Saleem101]

Xbox kids give it up blame Microsoft for being cheap... There's no way gap will close with ps4 being way more powerful...

[sxore]

Getting real sick of console wars, both systems are nearly identical in performance. The only differences you will see are either on paper or fps counters.

[jhoward585]

A lot of gamers are so gung ho over x1 reaching 1080p.
It can be achieved with a little help from an experienced dev. They have to find a work a round to get MS multiplat game to reach 1080p. But there's a problem with that.

Multi plat games on next gen console have to look the same/close to one another. Well, That's hard to do on both x1/ps4 hardware b/c it doesn't make any sense to use a work a round on both console if one of the console don't really need it. Its obvious the Ps4 is the more capable machine to reaching 1080p.

Anyways, If they use a work a round on both console I'm pretty sure Sony would be upset about it. Giving each system their own separate(different) treatment(as far as making a game) while making sure everything look the same is hard to do.
That said, Both MS/ Sony's game making policies would end up clashing in some way if one game looks better than the other.

Devs just can't risk it. So, it better to leave it the way it is. 900p on x1 1080p on ps4.

[MasterCornholio]

Here's the truth.

If there's a multiplat that's 900P on the X1 and 1080P on the PS4. That game can be 1080P on the X1 if they lower the graphics. Sony wouldn't complain about that but Microsoft would. The reason why is that lower graphical details are more noticeable than a reduction in resolution.

That's really it.

[spoonard]

No. It really doesn't.

[Lord-Nicon]

Gamingbolt as usual, in the end the PS4 has a sligthy better gpu in terms of REAL use, there might be a lot of extra numbers but I doubt the machine it is able to handle, like the same with the CELL, it was capable (according to Sony) of generate 2 TF of processing power, of course, that was only available on the R&D department.

[ironmonkey]

lol well i guess close is better than far.

[akaFullMetal]

Whatever helps get Xbox games get above sub 1080p is good in my book.

[jznrpg]

Not a fan of xbox but it would be nice if these rumors ended up being true just so we didnt have to read or scroll past any morenof these damn articles, plus it would be nice for the xbox people.

[Lust4fartdust]

For all the people saying that dx 12 won't increase hardware performance are obviously not tech savvy and here's why. First off, hardware tests all show huge performance boosts when comparing the same games with the same pc setup with both dx11 and dx12 with dx12 clearly outperforming dx11 which means it's a hardware boost. The reason this happens is because all the instructions that are passed between the cpu and gpu are not bottlenecked. In dx11 only one cpu core could pass instructions to one gpu core and then that gpu core spreads the instructions throughout the gpu cores. With dx12, more cpu cores can hand out instructions to more gpu cores. Now obviously the hardware stays the same but if you can USE the hardware more efficiently you increase your overhead and decreases bottlenecks which in return gives you performance boost. It's like having 10 people moving thru a single door, the only way it's possible is if you put them in a line and have them go thru the door in a single line. Now if you increase the size of the door you could move the same people thru the door much faster BECAUSE you just made it more EFFICIENT by increasing the door size. That's how it works. Hardware is obviously very important and has a major role but hardware don't mean anything if you can't use it in a good efficient way. I'm not saying xbone will be more powerful or on par with the ps4, that all depends on how well sonys api is and will be in the future. But dx12 WILL increase xbone performance for sure. I hope I made it easy for all you non tech savvy posers that can just recite something they read but not understand a word of it

[jhoward585]

Well said. I sense a new war coming soon....it won't be just about graphics anymore. It'd be about how well devs make use of console's cpu/gpu cores to make their game shine.

Video games has become too predictable. Its kind of like most gamers already know what to expect before it arrives. The new API will make games feel less arranged/unpredictable. I can clearly see the level of spontaneous game play happening all the time once DX12/mantle become mainstream.

I think VR will also benefit from this a lot simply b/c the world needs to feel unpredictable in the very same way our world is. I can wait to hear and see more. Time will tell.

[ilikepizza]

The concept has always been easy to grasp. You are forgetting what site you're on is all lol. Only here people believe it will do nothing,like nothing at all. Common sense tells you our next gen games are using outdated software. Most games are based off directx9 or 10 and most games still use unreal engine 3. What happens when games start getting optimized? using direct x12 from the ground up and unreal 4. What happens when pc ports take a few days and not a few months?

Sony fans here will say dont worry we have vulcan,sony has made it clear they are not going to use it. Sony built a machine for now which is great but will be screwed in 4 yrs from now when developers see they can double profits by making pc ports with a few code alterations versus dumbing it down for a direct x10 like engine.

[poor_cus_of_games]

You honestly believe that Sony will not be optimising their software tools too? Seriously? What do you think ICE is all about?

[joeorc]

"Sony fans here will say dont worry we have vulcan,sony has made it clear they are not going to use it. Sony built a machine for now which is great but will be screwed in 4 yrs from now when developers see they can double profits by making pc ports with a few code alterations versus dumbing it down for a direct x10 like engine."

what? Of all the "talking out of your Colon" crap tube is that you are spewing, no where has Sony stated that developers cannot and would not be able to use Vulkan!

also while we are on the subject of Xbox+ PC on the subject of Sony being so screwed vs Developers choosing Xbox+PC over Playstation..well you would be correct is if that was only the case with Playstation being only Target OS for gaming that Sony is employing.
and Since Arm Core processors use mainly OpenGL and now will use Vulkan as the main Api over DirectX. Its not Sony that is screwed it is Microsoft because the Majority of smartphone and tablet developments use an APi that does not use an OS and Api that is not tied to a windows OS tax.

and Sony is far from screwd as you claim, because unlike trying to make more profit on PC, Sony can gather More 3rd party development ports that Use Smart phones and Tablets where low cost much higher profits, and one where the tools they already Use work with the playstation platforms already. OpenGL and Vulkan are Api that Smartphones and Tablets use, unless its windows Phone, but we already know Windows Phone market share vs IOS and Android..oh' wait a min...LMAO

Microsoft is : xbox+PC
Sony is: Playstation+iOS+Android

Yeah Sony is sooooo screwed for profits..LMAO

[riseer23]

DX12 will help...mostly on Pc thanks to the fact DX until DX12 has been really bad using 4 or more cores.The issue with Xone is the API used is very much the same as DX12.

[hasamalaha]

Here's what you apparently can't grasp... Xbox One isn't using your regular ole DX11. Xbox is already capable of doing a lot of things that DX12 will bring to PC.

DX12 will make it easier for Xbone developers, but it doesn't unlock some tremendous power. It will never be able to match the PS4.

Your lord and savior Phil Spencer said it himself, it won't do much capability wise.

Even Brad Wardell, DX12's number one cheerleader, will not admit DX12 will make it better.

The main thing really, is what ilikepizza said, porting will be even easier than ever from PC to Xbone.

[ilikepizza]

It is fun to watch arm chair programmers sit back and think they are smarter than microsoft. Microsoft does everything with a purpose.

[MasterCornholio]

Doesn't mean that they know everything and can't make mistakes. Microsoft had made plenty of mistakes which is proven by all the 180s they did.

[samchez77]

Close......but not close enough ;)

[mochachino]

I keep hearing conflicting stories about the merits/limitations of esram.

I suppose future game comparisons will be the determinative factor.

[Lust4fartdust]

That's what people don't understand, it's always been about how well and efficient the software makes use of the hardware. Look at ios and android, if you had the exact same cpu, gpu, ram and flash storage, ios will outperform android in almost all aspects because Apple is excellent at optimizing. another example, look at the first waive of games on Xbox 360 and PS3 and compare them to the games out now on the same systems. Optimization is what it all comes down to. How can Comcast be launching a symmetrical 2Gbps internet service nationwide by the end of this year when everyone said coaxial can't go that fast, optimization. How can ford, gm and chrysler launch a new vehicle with the same amount of cylinders as the previous model but acheive more power and better gas mileage, optimization. These naive idiots need to google the things they are smashing before they start smashing it to try to get a better understanding of how it works. Instead they will hand pick things that a guy says, could be a joe shmo or a game developer, that supports what they are saying. It's kinda like people voting republican and don't know anything about politics or the differences between the political parties and the only reason they vote that way is cuz that's how there parents vote. Do some research, research different articles and try to get as much information as you can and then develop your conclusion and thoughts instead of doing a shitty form of plageurism

[Lust4fartdust]

Esram can increase performance if used right. The amount of esram can't be compared to ram because the bandwidth is so much faster with esram. Let's just, hypothetically, the bandwidth of esram is 100 mbps and ram is 10 mbps. That would mean that it would take ten times as much ram to push the same amount of information as the esram

10 MB of esram@100 mbps/sec=100 MB of ram@10 mbps/sec

[soulsx]

Funny is that the games look the same on both consoles, i dont know why fanboys sony deny the facts and wage war. Faster console with this same graphics somtime with worse fps and na anizotropic filter only on more games ps4 have 1080p vs 900p but res difference is invisible.

[L0wlifeGamer]

Brad Wardell, really? He's the new misterXmedia.

[Gamer1982]

please can we just ban all brad wardell related articles now?? Hes the only person on the planet who talks about xbox hardware like this not even Microsoft themselves claim all this! He is clearly biased and using his developement background to let his bias shine through please N4G stop letting his articles through.

[DDOS-DelDaemonicOSes]

All the positive XBox One hardware articles always cause the unsophisticated "bigger Ps" mean better "hardware" comments. Slightly faster hardware is NOT better than smarter software that keeps it up longer where it should be, rather than up for dull lit graphics... as if SLIGHTLY bigger Ps really matters compared to better features and games (for western audiences) with better UNIVERSAL Intelligence instead of trying to go universal the way Sony is with targeting dumb clients, such as TVs, rather than motivate economies of scale into integrating tech such as Intel's Compute Stick that runs full Windows that is FAR better and more useful for customers.

Besides the brute force power of the PS4, the XBox One has better hardware AND software. The USB 3 port placement, the 3 ports versus 2 (50% more powerful), the easily REPLACEABLE PSU (maybe ~50% more cost effective), the MUCH longer lasting replaceable batteries (+50% more powerFUL), the better camera (+50% more powerful), the TV functionality PS4 lacks plus better multimedia features, the often preferred and better quality made controller that will last years longer (maybe over 50% more, and before you naysay, remember the integrated batteries wear out), the upcoming PC USB XBox One accessories adapter, and the ability to use external USB hard drives in USB RAID while PS4 only has a backup option and a main small ~2TB 2.5" drive unless getting ugly with a HUGE humpback. I think, even though the PS4 has faster RAM and GPU, the XBox One is OBVIOUSLY better designed hardware (naysayers BS the xBOX is box looking, yeah OK doorstop\Medusa\witch wort dongle on nose station owners). Slightly faster phones are not thought to have better hardware overall just because of that fact alone, so neither should we be saying that about consoles.

As for if the PS4 eventually supports main external drives, not without that they stick out the front and\or with humpback add-ons sticking out on top... thus indicating Sony's bad design choices of the PS4, mostly caused from integrating inferior batteries, that are worse than DS3, and that again necessitate the front USB ports that remind daily how bad the hardware design actually is. PS4's only advantage as far as hardware is raw power; however, I admit that brute force is a quality those less sophisticated prefer, if I may use a sticking point that isn't just about (how graphics whores want) "bigger Ps". I think of my sticking points as for removing heads from DISlocation... any pain these points cause is necessary for setting you STRAIGHT rather than for "butthurt".

The USB design of the XBox One is far superior to the PS4 that requires cables are sticking out of the front of over 50% of them over 50% of the time, thus looking messy and toyish over 50% more often than XBox One... that alone is obviously a win for the hardware design of XBox One that allows USB devices are installed out of sight or with side add-ons that blend perfectly rather than the PS4's UGLY humpback options. I realize people can buy a recharge station to mostly avoid the messy cabling; however, it is absurd hypocrisy when someone complains about the way the XBox One looks while they're daily plugging their controllers into the front of their PS4s.

I would also guess that over 90% of people can not HONESTLY see the difference in 900P and 1080P from 10 feet away of a 50" screen, and I think all those that care that much about detail should always be sitting 3-4 feet from their ~50" TVs or else be labeled hypocrites.

If PS4 games don't start showing better lighting in their exclusives, that is at least as good as GTA5 (possibly they limit lighting in UC4 to achieve better chest hair physics?), your bigger Ps are wasted. It is not just bigger Ps that matter... it is what you do with them.

[fiveby9]

You can clearly see that MS X1 and it's proponents are concerned on the performance difference compared to PS4. The marketing department sure is trying to counter the prevailing wisdom of a weaker console (performance wise) with a constant stream of articles speaking to this or that performance tweak or gain. Whether factual all the time or not, clearly they know it has been their Achilles heel. Does that make the X1 a bad console. No. But is it on par performance wise with PS4. Not exactly. Have MS lost sales due to that fact? You bet.

[joeorc]

@fiveby9

exactly 100% its about perception of the product, last generation do people remember this:

http://majornelson.com/2005...

This generation No Review Mr. Nelson? Of the xbox one vs the PS4?

its quite clear the talking points they have used in the past will not work this time around.

Microsoft: on xbox360 vs PS3 was -Cheaper cost, but yet better performance than a higher "perceived" Hardware platform because the hardware was in proven to show its supposed power..PS3 and did not show for several years.

this Time Microsoft has to Show that the xbone one is on parity with the PS4 and through Software can out perform the PS4. This time Sony's System is already showing just as quickly a +/= to performance to the Xbox platform so Microsoft has to direct the argument to Software not mainly about Hardware.

The Sad point for Microsoft this time is they do not have a release of an early start like last time, nor did Microsoft have a price advantage or a much easy to develop system over Sony like last gen cycle. Again that Sony are using much more well known Tool's and much well known Hardware, but with Developers 1st and 2nd and 3rd Party imput when they designed and released the hardware and software tools that were already mature when the PS4 when it was released.

[AlphaBlackWolf96]

In my opinion, for $500 originally, Microsoft should've went with a different setup, Possibly a GDDR5/DDR3 combination instead of ESRAM.

[joeorc]

"However it’s a give and take situation as the software on the PS4 isn’t as sophisticated as the Xbox One. “In my opinion, the software on the PlayStation 4 is crummy compared to the software on the…you know it’s like take your pick, right. I shouldn’t say crummy but it’s not as sophisticated as what it is on the Xbox One.”

yup..yup..any thing you say Brad...

I wonder who are you really trying to convince?
or is that Enlighten to the ways of Microsoft Software/LOL

[cruzngta]

Another 'Secret Sauce' bullshitter trying to instill some faith that the Bone will 'magically' catch up to the more powerful PS4.

[DarXyde]

Specs will tell you Playstation 4 is technically superior.

That said, it's rare that the most powerful console "wins the console war".

Bottom line? Most sane gamers, regardless of a console's power, will go where the games are. Gamecube and Xbox easily overpowered Playstation 2, yet it's the best selling console of all time. PSOne beat N64, Wii beat both PS3 and Xbox 360.Now, PS4, with its great games, is leading. Better multiplatform titles in most cases I'd say is a bonus.

This comments section is littered with Xbox hopefuls and insecure Playstation gamers. I think both sides need to walk away from this debate since it's devolving into a yelling match.

Play games, not specs.

[Moldiver]

"This comments section is littered with Xbox hopefuls and insecure Playstation gamers. I think both sides need to walk away from this debate since it's devolving into a yelling match."

I agree with this comment. I been checking in on this post throughout the day but resisted the urge to partake in it.

its kind of predictable now:

DX12 devs praises DX12. Causes PSfanboys to go into this weird fit where they accuse xbox owners of claiming it will be more powerful than PS4. even though its wardell who is talking and not xbox gamers. And even though he is not saying that. They then (predictably) cling to the a quote from an MS exec who is not a programmer when he says "dont expect a dramatic difference" (which spencer was right to say, I think ANY xbox gamer will agree with that, so whats the problem?). while we know it will improve things it wont be the "dramatic" hyper realisation of video games on xbox, that sony fanboys on N4G seem to fear. I begin to think they buy into what DX12 is and isnt more than X1 fans at this point in time. We know its not some big dramatic leap. Yet they insists on telling us that we say it is, thus giving themselves the cluase to 'correct' us on comments we didnt say. And then reading to much into our own positive reactions to DX12 ...WEIRD! Its like this console war stuff has messed up their heads. Apparently being a fanboy on the 'winning side' is not all its cracked up to be, if you still find yourself in Xbox articles. They just roll right in and point fingers without even reading the actual comments, occasionally rambling on about misterX (who is just as weird as them!). Its a bit sad really.

Just look at all the comments. Overwhelmingly PSfanboys with the usual rhetoric. roughly one third of the posts in this thread are arctual xbox guys. in an xbox thread. What does that tell you about positive xbox news that gets submitted on N4G? But nobody is going to have THAT debate....*sips tea*. Never mind me ya'll. I would never dare to challenge popular N4G beleifs. I only got two bubbles anyway. So Ill say what I mean with them. No malice or agenda. Look what liking xbox got me..two bubbles. When I first came on this site I praised sony to high water and got "weel saids" and "intelligent" bubble ups, just for talking smack about MS..soon as Xmas came and I got my xbox.....And actually had nice things to say about it.....Things changed.

[Artemidorus]

More lies.

Xbox provide a console with more features but lacks 1080p 60fps regularity. The hardware was less from day one.

Credit to Microsoft they made it better with small improvements and adding things to it but you can't Polish a turd i'm afraid.

[DDOS-DelDaemonicOSes]

Polishing turds is the logic of improving daemonic OSes. Improving "Ms" is never fLAMER.

[Father__Merrin]

just you wait for direct x on xbox one
you will be proven wrong

[corroios]

Lol, reading the comments here is a blast. More then 18 months and still so many are in the clouds waiting for some kind of secret sauce that will make the Xbox One more powerfull then the PS4... But the the reality is that they cant handle the truth (lol).

Even after another weak where news about the Witcher, Mortal Kombat and Project Cars, where even running at 900 it cant hold 30 frames in a car game made in 2015...

What microsoft gamers should be asking is games, because the last and only exlusive that sold big was the remastered of Halo, back on November, and it was broken for months...

But they dont care to wait until the end of the year to get more of the same (Halo and Forza).

Maybe with the Xbox Two they can build something with good specs and not something underpowererd, expensive and that lacks exclusive new ip games.

[Lust4fartdust]

Once again, nobody is saying that the Xbox one will be more powerful. All we are saying is that dx 12 will be much better for it. Dx12 across Xbox and pc will be huge for gamers and your a fool if u disagree. Sony is using there own custom api based upon openGL. Sony will update there api, it's no secret. That's part of adapting to the industry. That's how graphics get better later in a consoles lifecycle. Not to mention, this so called cloud computing is real, but, it won't matter if it's not used properly. And one more thing, competition drives the economy. It drives product value up and prices down. So I don't understand why anyone would want to have a console fail. If there was only one console on the market do u really think it would be anywhere close to what it is now, no it wouldn't. One system has better graphics and the other has better online capabilities. So once again, y'all need to do some research. Check into what happened to Att when they were the only telephone provider and also research dx12 so you don't sound foolish and dumb

[riseer23]

This guy only programs on DX,its nothing but click bait.

[tjg59]

What about the sales gap?

[crazytechfanatic]

How many more of these articles are Gaming Bolt going to spin?