DirectX 12 Delivers: AMD, Nvidia, And Intel Hardware Tested With Awesome Improvements

Microsoft, Nvidia, and AMD have all been united in delivering the DirectX 12 hype.

[Foehammer]

"You may be skeptical about DirectX 12, and I don’t blame you. After all, PC (and often by extension, console) games have been handicapped for years by prior versions of Microsoft's API."

Very impressive results

Good to see PC and X1 will no longer be handicapped.

[WCxAlchemist]

Agree PC results have been huge also Xbox1 with dx12 and new api should see nice results.

[never4get]

Some people say that X1 games already using all X1 CPU cores to the fullest, but those games use DX11. DX11 is a bad API that doesn't use all X1 CPU cores to the fullest. DX12 can help games use all X1 CPU cores to the fullest.

[GameNameFame]

Good news for PC, but absolutely nothing on Xbox One.

Literally no info. MS devs who made this already said the benefit was for PC. Not X1.

Article don't even mention Xbox.... LoL.

We have confirmations over and over and over that it was for PC and Not Xbox One.

[Kleptic]

how...do people...still keep saying the Xbox one currently uses DX11????

DX12 is a huge deal for PC...irrelevant to XBO...but, rest assured, the XBO already uses a very optimized API that is FAR superior to DX11 in every way...can a PC play BF4 on medium to high settings at 720p near 60 fps with a laptop cpu and radeon 7770 gpu?...not even close...the xbox one's api is why it can...

that sounds like a criticism...but it isn't...I don't understand what is so hard to accept about this current gen of consoles...things changed...the money wasn't there to push ridiculous amounts of processing power and sell it at a loss...for either company...but, the api's are so good it currently doesn't matter...as they're still getting great looking games...

but some magic api from MS isn't going to change the reality of what is going on in the hardware sector...

have you guys read about the AMD 390x?...8.2 Tflops of Gpu performance...for $500...the XBO is 1.3...for perspective...Nvidia has an android TV streaming box coming in the next couple of months that has 1.2...for $99...that is a a set top box, running android, built on ARM architecture (whats in cell phones)...that matches the Xbox One's calculative performance...at least nearly...translated: smart phones and tablets are going to be more powerful than the xbox one by early 2016...and no api is going to change that...

stop worrying about DX12...its not console related...never was...

[GameNameFame]

Absolutely nothing on X1.

Even in the quote, it says PC. Not xbox.

Ofc desperate logic makes that huge jump.

[donthate]

@Kleptic :

I smell BS here. Why do you think the Xbox One SDK will not benefit from DX 12?

DX 12 is a major improvement intended for Windows 10, as such I believe there are major features that are not available yet. It is all completely within reason to believe Xbox One operates with DX 11 with major modifications to emulate DX 12 especially when DX 12 isn't releasing until end of this year, at least 2 years after the Xbox One release.

Even here we see major difference in performance on a low end graphics cards at over 200% gain and Brad Wardell who confirmed to be working on Xbox One game with DX 12 has repeatedly mentioned his huge graphical performance increase.

Xbox One is built with DX 12 in mind, and is getting the core of Windows 10. It is remarkable what major optimization from worlds top experts can do. It is all falling in place!

[Sir_Simba]

Not once the article mentioned xbox, but i aint surprised its you.
Xbox will benefit from DX12 but stop pretending like its gonna make everything better all the sudden, DX12 just like vulkan will have its own limitation.

[thrust]

What do you mean make everythin better is great now!

[imt558]

Where is Xbox One in that article????

[Lennoxb63]

Oh so we're blind now? The article clearly has the words console and PC in it.

[Software_Lover]

There is always a handicap somewhere.

[TheCommentator]

Yeah, in the minds of people who think XB1 won't benefit from DX12 at all. Even if it only sees 30% of the increase the pc does, that's still a 150-200% increase in draw calls.

Edit: When talking about XB1, MS always states we'll see about a 20-30% increase in performance but compared to what, XB1's current state or that of PC's benefits? Politicians tend to omit details like this in order to downplay certain aspects of topics they discuss in the same way. This intentionally leads to false assumtions and keeps the truth secret no matter what information leaks out, protecting the NDA in this case.

[christocolus]

This is great news. we will also be getting the first full DX12 games this holiday according to Phil Spencer.

[jeromeface]

Then add 6 months...

[christocolus]

@Jerome

Huh? What happens in 6 months?

[UltraNova]

@chris

Half life 3 comes out! Hot damn!!

[Bigpappy]

Let the downplay begin! LOL, DX12 is boss. That API is the biggest upgrade you can give your PC. There is no hardware that can net you those types of gains. The fact that it improves old hardware that was around long before DX12 was even conceived, to that extent, is very, very impressive and very telling.

I am so intrigued to see what this API means for X1 and is ESRAM. Does the bandwidth increased by ESRAM now operate at optimum? What about tiled Resources and those other two enhancements all combined? Is it a little difference or a huge difference? What will these new draw-calls and enhancements do in terms of new features? What does it translate to in terms of Graphic's, Resolution, FPS, Hololens, VR, physics, AI... If you are not paying close attention and sitting on the edge of your seat hopping to see and hear more, I wish I were as strong as you. These questions are consuming my free brain cells. I want answers now!

[PrinterMan]

There is no hardware that can net you those types of gains?????? You are kidding right? No really.

[kraenk12]

You're right...it's a revelation for PC gaming. It won't do much for XB1 though.

[kingduqc]

XBONE has been handicapped from the beginning from a low ass gpu..

[NuggetsOfGod]

Pcftw! Hbm ftw!

Apus will get a boost but nothing in comparison to a gtx 960. Or two cards unifying their vram.

That intel integrated gpu got a good boost but the outcome is still to low for my taste.

If a gtx titan can get 400%+ boost then I can't wait for r9 380x & 390x!

Pc golden age part 2 incoming.

I will ve learning Vulkan but dx12 is no joke.

Plus free windows and xbl? Pfft..

[r1sh12]

why was mantle disabled?

[LostDjinn]

Before anyone gets carried away, the article refers only to PC.

OT: It's a bit of a pain you have to buy Win 10 to get the Api update. Windows is usually crap 'til MS've had time to respond to all the release bugs.

Edit: Too late. *smfh*

[Lennoxb63]

Two things

1.You don't have to buy Windows 10 during the first year.

2.This article isn't just talking about PC. It's talking about DX12 on different devices.

[CYCLEGAMER]

@lostdjinn
With todays technology software is used to make hardware run more efficiently. Do you really think that the api will make MS cell phones, tablets, and computers run better, but do nothing for the xbox (a Microsoft product)?? I guess the xbox has a dx12 blocker in it huh???

[LexHazard79]

Smfh, I read that comment.

[TheCommentator]

I like that a crappy laptop saw a 229% increase but people are still in denial that a system designed to run DX12 will see no benefits.

Don't forget to mention that Brad Wardell spreads lies about DX12 benefits on XB1. You know him right? He's the only person AMD quoted in their presentation on DX12 capabilities. AMD chose 3 of his quotes over using companies like Epic and Crytec but he's got no credentials, right?

[LostDjinn]

To the above. So a low level api is going to replace a low level api and give massive gains?

The article mentions "consoles" by extention. Meaning PCs are holding back consoles (Bullcrap may I say) because of a lack of low level access . What devices are you talking about?

Now please, show me proof of this meaningful boosting of the 'bones efficiency due to dx12. Any proof? At all? How about a quote, direct from an MS employee?

That's just it. You can't. Phill Spenser came out and announced the opposite. No large increases in anything dx12/bone related. Tell me. Is Phil lying too?

Edit: It really should be shocking that a certain "fan..." base relies on misinformation and deception so heavily. It's not but it should be.

[CYCLEGAMER]

@lostdjin
Your screen name speaks volumes...lol

I do not think that anyone expects the xbox one to all of a sudden be on par with a high end PC, I do not think that people believe DX12 is going to give xbox users 4k resolutions at 120fps, THAT would be a "dramatic" difference.

Have you also been brainwashed into believing that 800/900p is a significant difference from 1080p?? I own both of these consoles and I can tell you that there is no negligible difference between the two, which renders the differences insignificant to the average person. THAT is what Phil is referring to.

Every developer is not going to take full advantage of dx12. Some will take the time to code perfectly for the API and some will not.

Phil's job is to manage, and managing expectations is what he is doing here. Gamers are a passionate/sensitive group of individuals, and if he promises significant differences in dx12 and every game doesn't have that "significant boost", then Phil and MS will again be called liars. So how is that good for their brand?

[Stiffler]

@LostDjinn "Edit: It really should be shocking that a certain "fan..." base relies on misinformation and deception so heavily. It's not but it should be."

Oh boy, thank you for ending your two quality posts by summing up practically every fanboy like yourself on this site.

You have the nerve to talk about MISINFORMATION after spouting drivel like you just did above?? The fact is that DX12 WILL benefit X1 because MS designed it around DX12. end of.

Lies lies lies and spin. You and GameNameFame are one in the same. Pathetic, the lot of you.

'SMFH'

[JasonKCK]

You anti DX12 people must be pretty desperate to deny what was said in the news. I mean it was right there in your face, yet you still deny it. It reminds me of kids who put fingers in their ears and say "I can't hear you". Why are some of you people so threatened by DX12?

[kraenk12]

Noone is threatened by DX12. The PC guys will finally will get their long awaited improvements and PS4 will continue to be superior as it was designed with a low level API right from the start and will only improve on that further.

[samchez77]

I need it badly. I have a CPU bottleneck on my PC. Mantle was a disappointment. BF4 performed WORSE with it. Far worse.

[JasonKCK]

What does the PS4 have to do with this?

[fiveby9]

I did not read anything in that article about X1 tests. It is inferred that DX12 will boost X1 performance but these tests were clearly done on pc hardware. Does X1 use a modified DX11 today? I am not sure what API X1 uses frankly. But I think MS is intentionally not over or understating DX12 performance benefits to X1. Surely the MS marketing department does not want dispel any myths on potential X1 benefits with DX12. They have said little directly on X1 and DX12 thus letting the rumor perpetuate that X1 will also see similar improvements as PC. Why would they want to undermine sales now if the benefits just aren't there? Time will tell.At the end of the day the hardware in this generation is pretty static for both PS4 and X1. An API improvement on both companies part will improve performance. Don't expect either company to not try to push the envelope through the lifespan of this generation. Let's not delude ourselves that an API improvement will be one sided and change MS's fortunes as Sony can also improve their API's.

[christocolus]

Did you actually read the article? your comment about windows 10 says alot about how much you actually know about DX12. smh

[LostDjinn]

I've read it twice. Before and after it was updated. Where am I wrong?

All infomation is based on pc. Period. As for win 10, how else do you get dx12 for pc? No. I'm genuinely interested. As far as disussion on how an api works. Ready any time you are chuckles.

Now for the rest of you...got any of the proof I asked for yet? No? Funny that.

Edit: chris, you work for MS (going by you comment history). Where's the evidence? I mean you approved this piece. Surely you can justify your perpetuation of this farce. Yes?

[TheCommentator]

@LostDjinn

How do you get a benchmark for something that's not on the console yet? You can't.

How do you quantify Phil's vague statement that XB1 won't see the same benefits as PC? Less than 600%, but how much less? You can't tell me that either.

How do you measure Phil stating that DX12 will make XB1 better at doing what it was designed to be good at? Noone knows what XB1 is designed to be good at, but seeing as it was designed around DX12 it'll probably be good at that.

Where's your proof there won't be decent improvements to XB1 besides months old statements from Phil clouded in ambiguity? You have nothing concrete either but recent information seems to indicate you're wrong.

Edit: AMD is as credible as MS. Nothing Brad has stated has been proven false either. Both say XB1 will improve and neither has been discredited by MS.

[brads4]

All DX12 changes apply to XBOX ONE as well.

Also Windows 10 is a FREE UPGRADE for anyone with Windows 7 and forward.

[Jedislayer]

i need to build a rig, but don't know where to start, I want one for multi plat gaming so my ps4 can be used for exclusives. got 1,300 on hand but dont know where to start :( lol

[Blackleg-sanji]

Don't feel bad I'm in the same boat the folks at neogaf Will help though that's who I've been asking

[Pandamobile]

Neogaf is toxic.

If you want support for building a PC, reddit.com/r/buildapc is probably the best place to start.

[Khajiit86]

Did it about a month ago. Its totally worth it. For $1000 you can build a bad a$$ rig. Built my first one and only researched for couple weeks after having no prior knowledge about it.

Check Neweggs build guide on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

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http://www.tomshardware.com... - Sign up and ask on the forums for any kind of help.

I got an i54690k processor and GTX 970 reference card.

I totally recommend it. Then check game prices on sites like G2A.com, GOG.com, and GreenManGaming.com. Once you see the prices, theres no going back unless its exclusive.

Heres 1 I just built on PCPartPicker.com. Its almost identical to my build except that one has a better motherboard.

You can use that build and tweak it how ever you want. I have that case and I love it, but there is a ton to choose from.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/G...

[Jedislayer]

appreciate it

[Khajiit86]

No problem, glad I could help. I was a noob to all this a couple months ago. and my PS4 has been collecting dust since, until I updated today and go pick up Bloodborne tomorrow.

Also keep an eye on HumbleBundle.com
I got 10 games there for $15 (Tomb Raider, Sleeping Dogs, Kane and Lynch collection, Deus Ex everything edition, Thief, Murdered: Soul Suspect, Hitman Absolution, and more) Then you can sell the keys you wont use on G2A and get money for a game you do want. I sold Deus Ex, Hitman, Sleeping Dogs, and Kane and Lynch collection and got the $15 back and bought 4 games I wanted.

[LexHazard79]

Check TomsHardware, will help you. Also tons of build vids on Youtube.

[Software_Lover]

Find the best cpu for your money and start from there. Go to Toms hardware and look at the charts or ask around. It's probably gonna be an i5.

[traumadisaster]

Tomshardware.com a must, they have a system building marathon series of articles that does a fantastic job.
200 cpu
400 gfx card
25 case
100 motherboard
100 power supply unit
100 hard drive
25 disc drive
Old win disc,keyboard and mouse

[vallencer]

Use reddit as well. They are really helpful in the pc area. People typically use pcpartpicker.Com and get a build up then post it with ideas on what could be better.

[Dinkis]

I like pricewatch.com for my parts. They have boatloads of vendors to choose from and great prices. Been using that site for years

[Khajiit86]

Cant wait to see the improvements on my 970.

[Claudinho69]

they should release a public beta test of dx12

[Pandamobile]

The public beta test for DX12 is Windows 10.

[hello12]

People are dumb DX is a Microsoft product do you guys think they totally forget about x box 1 when they coded it, its only for PC really?

Albert Pannello told us this was going to work with x box 1 before launch i knew from that statement a year ago this was coming out for x box 1 also.

Pannello posted this to Neogaf and people on there laughed him and they still think dx12 will do nothing for the xb1 on that site can't wait till the hammer drops.

"Performance: I’m not dismissing raw performance. I’m stating – as I have stated from the beginning – that the performance delta between the two platforms is not as great as the raw numbers lead the average consumer to believe! and there are things about theirs as well, that bring the two systems into balance.

People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. We CREATED DirectX, the standard API’s that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their HW skills, do you really think we don’t know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way we’re giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony"

There you have it they know whats coming they are going unleash the real power of the x box 1 with dx12 and they don't need an extra GPU to do it. The x box 1 works best with dx12 and its going to be shown off very soon and the hate will be fun to watch on places like Neogaf and Ng4

[kpat1982]

Can't decide what's worse, those who think DX12 will transform the X1 into a monster machine without limitations or those who think it will have next to zero effect.

[Bladesfist]

You're attacking both groups of fanboys and expecting balanced people to agree with you. Hint: Nobody is balanced on N4G.

[bleedsoe9mm]

somebody has to be the nurse in the psych ward

[Dinkis]

I have amd 9800 black CPU with what I can remember a ati 4500hd card. Wonder if it will see some kind of boast. I tried to play ff14 on that thing and was only getting about 15fps lol

[JokerDem]

Good to know, Looking forward to seeing the results first hand.

[ninjahunter]

Nice, on the 750TI DX12 can perform 6x as many draw calls as dx11.

For reference, draw calls is how many objects you can have on screen. A common practice in "Console optimization" was just to fuse various world objects to the ground so there would be fewer objects.

Finally a way to increase grass density without an exponential decrease in performance.

[Pandamobile]

Draw calls has to do with a lot more than just the number of objects on screen. It goes hand in hand with lighting, number of objects, animated objects and more.

A draw call is basically any action that requires the CPU to tell the GPU to do something.

[Sy_Wolf]

I'm glad Microsoft spent the time making DX12 really good. The PC really needed a lower level API. DX11 was really a nightmare in terms of how much abstraction there was from the hardware.

[urwifeminder]

Sweet love the denial will be happy if half the gains are true on my xb1 and my pc that DX12 fear is gripping.

[ScaryMonkey]

DX12 will be an improvement for PC and that's where it ends, xbone will see no improvement from DX12 at all, this has been confirmed repeatedly, even by Phil Spencer himself, I understand why these xbone guys are hoping for it but they are just getting themselves hopeful for nothing.

[XanderZane]

The XB1 was built around the Win10 / DX12 API. Both AMD and NVidia worked with Microsoft on making sure DX12 would excel with their hardware. Anyone thinking there will be no improvement on the XB1 are in serious denial. There will be some improvement. Microsoft is being quiet about it because they want to be able to show the improvement in their games. Right now only a few games are in development on XB1 that utilizes full version of DX12. Once the games are ready to be shown the benchmarks will be given.

[dreadz74]

Lmao you think DX12 will have 0% on XB1 hahahahahaha cmon son why even bother adding it to XB1 then.By your logic MS is adding DX12 jst for shit's n giggles hey gamers we are going to add DX12 to XB1 but its just a title change and fancy buzz words it won't do anything for XB1. use logic all gains will be similar to pc. People think because XB1 is close to the metal already that it wont see changes SMH. Listen on XB1 right now low access and all only one core is talking to gpu @ a time DX12 allows all 8 to talk to gpu that alone will bring improvements. Then Esram get better API plus all the feature levels that DX12 brings . Ridiculous to think the people making DX12 would not make there system compatible for it lol. Phil has already said that games built from ground up on DX12 will be better use logic not hate to see the big picture..

[ShottyGibs]

Lol..this article is full of PS4 trolls hoping the x1 doesn't benefit.

Fanboyism aside people. These gains are not direct GPU gains and shouldn't be viewed as such. They are CPU draw call gains. Massive ones, but the actual end of day FPS games will be very game dependent and it may not be a night and day experience - no one knows yet. I expect the X1 may be able to take advantage with games in open environments. PC's are the big winner here. Watch them truly run away now with performance now.

https://youtu.be/O_6PxugCBa...

[bleedsoe9mm]

wow sounds like brad wardel is under selling it , i'm no expert but 18 times the draw calls is crazy . i think people under estimate the man power / money this is going to save xb1 developers .

[RedDeadLB]

There is no way in hell a 290X is as fast as a Titan X. No. Way. In. Hell.

[Father__Merrin]

great news for pc, these updated api definitely gives higher fps. I hope it's not like mantle ie thief runs locked 60fps on mine using dx11 but on mantle it goes over 90-120 but it very stuttery

if they can release without that annoying stutter then it's a win for pc users