The Phantom Pain will be final Metal Gear Solid; Snake more silent

GCO: "Metal Gear series creator Hideo Kojima has revealed that Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain would be the final Metal Gear Solid."

[DarkOcelet]

Ok, i honestly hope not lol. But then again, i wouldn't frown because he will be making Silent Hills and i need that game in my life now.

[vishmarx]

did he say that? when did he say that? how did i miss it?

EDIT lol i know about silent hills , i was asking about the end of mgs .
and he's not just any dorito's guy.he's the goddamn pope.show some respect

[GCO Gamer]

Yeah, he's making the new Silent Hill with the guy from The Walking Dead also.

[DarkOcelet]

Um, didnt you see the trailer for P.T. or the interview with the Doritos guy i think, he said he will be making the new Silent hill.

[RowSand]

@GCO Gamer he is not just a guy from the walking dead lol hes normnn reedus ;)

[mikeslemonade]

It will not be the last MGS. He has said that since MGS3.

[breakpad]

i also hope to be his last MGS as the story is already too convoluted and with Peace Walker and MGS4 he stretched it a lot making him loose the ball a little bit ...but i dont want to be his last work...also a MGS4 or MGS1 total remake on pS4 they would be awesome (specially MGS4 which feels a bit rushed for release as PS3 was eager for AAA game that time)

[crxss]

"final MGS" is misleading. no doubt there will be remakes and sequels but with Kojima in a lesser role. i mean building a whole new FOX engine for one MGS game doesn't make sense.

[blesbok]

He's been saying that since after MGS2, sorry, source not on hand, i read that back when mgs3 had the cover of Game Informer.

[rainslacker]

I think the quote your thinking of was that Kojima wanted to work on different games, not that he wanted the series to end. He's been doing MGS the majority of the past 20 years, I'd imagine it'd get tiring after a while.

[sonarus]

TBH i have never been a big fan of Kojima's work... aside from metal gear solid that is. Zone of the enders and all the other stuff he did never moved me so i'll hold my excitement for silent hills game with kojima.

That being said. MGS1, MGS2, MGS3 and MGS4 were all the best games ever made to me at the time i played them and i am eagerly anticipating MGS5 will be the best game ever made to me as well.

It would be really really nice to get a release date though

[pixelsword]

It may be the last Solid, but there's still Rising...

[-Foxtrot]

Well it's not going to be the last MGS, the franchise is too big for them but Kojima will make this his last one

As I've said before they should of just ended it on Guns of the Patriots. This prequel story is not something we needed to know, unlike when we were all hyped for MGS3 to find more about The Boss and Big Boss and MGS4 to finally find out what everything has been leading up to, this game just doesn't have that at all.

He should of spent the time to create a new MGS to to seperate a new timeline/series from the one he's created. I mean that's why he's always said "this is going to be the last one" then he comes back because he hates the fact of someone ruining what he's created for such a big chunk of his life. We would all be the same, so the best he could of done was to make a new game in a new timeline.

Least then he could finally move on and not have a care in the world what they did with MGS

Plus if they did a new timeline/reboot-remake they could skip the ageing thing with Snake in their timeline. Maybe Raiden dies as a child soldier making MGS2 play out differently or Solidus Snake gets away and Liquid dies instead. They could find a cure for Snakes ageing problem in this universe.

[one2thr]

I was thinking, what if Snake had accidently destroyed "FoxDie"(if i remember correctly are nano bots), by crawling through that micro wave room inside OuterHaven while making his way to the server room(patriots), thus freeing up his blood cells/dna so that otacon or even sunny can make a clone of solid snake with the help of super advance technology.

[Name Last Name]

lol you don't think seeing how Big Boss finally turned into a bad guy is worth it? I'm super hyped for this.

[Ratty]

@one2thr

FoxDie is a virus though. It's not nanomachines. Also, they can't clone him because of the terminator gene.

[DarXyde]

To each their own. Personally, I have always enjoyed Big Boss' journey more than Solid Snake's. We saw how he became Big Boss in Snake Eater, but we never knew why Gray Fox was his most trusted lieutenant. We found how he met Roy Campbell in Portable Ops, but we never knew how the Les Enfantes Terribles project began. Peace Walker was more or less the game when he fully accepted his title as Big Boss, but that was pretty much the extent of it. Given how America had him kill his mentor and the crazy events in between leading up to Ground Zeroes and The Phantom Pain, it's just an amazing journey to experience. How, after all of that, has Big Boss not lost it and became the enemy Solid Snake needed to destroy? From a narrative perspective, I think this game totally needed to be made. Now we're at a point where he's lost everything and now we can see what kind of person he became that needs to be taken out. The beauty of The Phantom Pain is that I feel, by the end of it, Big Boss' fate at the end of MGS4 will be that much more heart-wrenching. Kojima knows how to tug the heartstrings, I'll say that. I'd love to see how it all begins, yet how it all ends.

Also, technically, he did try to create a different timeline/series with Ac!d, but that didn't exactly become popular.

Now about a new timeline/reboot without Snake's aging and whatnot, I don't like that idea at all. Certain events have already been established and that would be the devil's playground to manipulate. Personally, I don't think an alternate period would be a great idea because that would mean the series drags on and it's not that it is/isn't true, but alternative. From a narrative perspective, it's just not a great idea. I want Kojima to be able to walk away from MGS to pursue other projects. Maybe if whomever handles a reboot does it, they can do that.

[-Foxtrot]

@Name Last Name

I already know how and why he turns into a "bad guy". It's pretty much explained in Guns of the Patriots and also small hints to his future transformation were shown in Snake Eater as the same happened to the Boss.

Why would I actually need to see the transformation on screen.

I would of rather seen his focus on Silent Hills then Metal Gear Solid V. Guns of the Patriots ended the series on a good note.

@DarXyde

"Now about a new timeline/reboot without Snake's aging and whatnot, I don't like that idea at all. Certain events have already been established and that would be the devil's playground to manipulate. Personally, I don't think an alternate period would be a great idea because that would mean the series drags on and it's not that it is/isn't true, but alternative. From a narrative perspective, it's just not a great idea. I want Kojima to be able to walk away from MGS to pursue other projects. Maybe if whomever handles a reboot does it, they can do that"

I think your missing the point of my comment.

If he set up the START of a new timeline, then Kojimas games won't be hurt with newer MGS games.

They are obviously going to continue the franchise without Kojima but do you want his franchise to drag on or would you rather see a new timeline drag on which has no relation to Kojimas games.

His games, his timeline, his version of events will be left untouched.

With this Kojima gets to walk away, in peace and without a care that Konami will end up ruining HIS games.

[Xman2K]

With that logic, it should've ended with MGS1, and MGS4 wasn't the best MGS, even PeaceWalker surpassed it in my book. With Peacewalker, Kojima showed MGS could have a new take whilst keeping many of the same elements. I would like the franchise, Solid Snake, Big Boss to end with V. every other game could only have new characters with the same elements and design, hopefully not ruining the MGS name

[one2thr]

@one eyed

But the virus had attached itself to the nanobots which caused the nano's to mutate into something worse.

If thats the case (it being a virus, which it is) how would an inorganic creation be mutated by an organic creation?

And wouldnt that mean that the virus and nanobots are now inseparable and if so would going through a hallway sized microwave oven fry the mutated duo? (FOXdie and nanobots)

[tman7302]

@Fox

This is the last "Metal Gear Solid" game, but there will be more "Metal Gear" games. The "Metal Gear Solid" saga ends with 5. If you were any kind of fan, you would understand this. 5 had to be made cause it doesn't explained how Big Boss turned. Guns of the Patriot had a lot of plot holes, more questions than answers. I don't get why people can't conceptualize that. Reading comprehension isn't really your thing.

[turdburgler1080]

Remember when he said he was done after MSG4 but came back. You can't take anything Kojima says seriously. Even if he's done with it Konami sure as hell isn't going to let that cash cow up and quit.

[tman7302]

He said he wouldn't produced or director another Metal Gear Solid game after 4. Now he is saying, this is the last game in the "Metal Gear Solid" saga. Not the brightest apple of the orchard I see.

[assdan]

It probably should be, but I think this is the second or third time he's said that, so...

[Spenok]

Even if he DID say this, you pretty much can't believe it. Considering he has said this for every major MGS release since MGS1.... so,yeah... I'll believe that never. Though, I can see him finally passion the franchise off, but not it being THE last. So in other words HIS last, not the last.

[Killustrious]

Pretty sure it was said that Metal Gear Solid 4 was going to be last main entry also. It's honestly probably one of my favorite series in gaming history, but it needs to end at some point just like everything else does.

[ThunderPulse]

Don't forget Solid isn't the only Metal Gear series there were others like Acid and online.

[Kidmyst]

Final Metal Gear Solid but not final Metal Gear. Maybe games where you play as Revolver Oscelot or something would be cool.

[Tsar4ever01]

Yeah huh, And years back Kojima said that MGS4 was the last and final Metal Gear. We'll see how MGS5 does in review poles and sales, and that'll determine whether or not they'll be anymore Metal Gears.

[deecee33]

Probably won't be the last one, but it'd be cool if he started a new universe of games in the action vein. If it is the last one, the MGS story has been nothing short of epic, great games since the NES.

[PoSTedUP]

kojima said that about MGS4. ›_›. whatevs, i hope its not.

[LonDonE]

Exactly i have lost count how many times kojima said "this the last mgs" lol
Konami will never allow it, kojima and mgs is keeping konami allive.

Trust we will get another MGS after phantom pain.

[PoSTedUP]

Kojima troll 102: get fans dissapointed---> smack em in the face with excitement.

Kojima troll 101: get fans excited---> smack em in the face with dissapointment.

kojimas the man, but hes kinda messed up sometimes :)

[thehobbyist]

Well, that and yugioh.

[WildArmed]

I still think he needs to do a MG1 remake before he leaves.

Metal Gear 1 is such a crucial part in the story, and one that is the most primitive installment of the MGS franchise as well.

I want the farewell of MGS to be with Solid and the Big boss.

And i'll cry... again. Till the screen after the loading screen shows up -___-

[Heyxyz]

MGS is what's keeping Konami alive in the west. There will be a MGS 6.

[snookiegamer]

"Konami would never allow it"?!? LOL What, you think they own his AS# or something?? ....What a Dumb comment!!

Anyway, if he didn't receive death threats from mentally unstable gamers, then maybe MGS4 would have been 'his' last. ....A little research prior to commenting wouldn't go amiss ;/

[_-EDMIX-_]

not likely. He's stated this many times before and he also stated he wanted to work on a remake of MG1 and 2.

[mt]

he said that about MGS2 as well.

[Ratty]

He also said that about 2 and 3. The thing is, Kojima needs to believe it's his last one so that he gives it his all and "ends it" with a huge bang. That's just how he works.

It's my favorite series but if it's the last one so be it. If not, I'll be happy all the same.

[sashimi]

he said it'll be the final MGSolid game to him even if there are more after MGSV.

[Summons75]

In a way you can tell. He's pulling out all the stops, tying up loose ends, making it big as he can get. I can't see MGS being any good without him though.

[OrangePowerz]

All the loose ends had been tied up with MGS4 for me personally. With the new additions it just gets more confusing and put of line with canon. Snake having a prosthetic arm is a prime example, there was never any talk about that in the MG or MGS games.

[Joe913]

He may want to quit but I doubt Konami would let him they could get someone else to do them though. I rather see him redo MG1 & 2 before quitting though.

[PowerPlayaaa]

He said that when he did metal gear snake eater for the ps2.
I highly doubt that this is the last metal gear game from hideo kojima.

[Summons75]

So was peace walker, so was MGS4.... Anyway I'm not surprised Snake is more silen . Keifer did a terrible job from ground zeroes alone. He's a good actor but a horrible snake. Even in interviews you can tell he couldn't care less about the job so long as the checks were signed.

[gamerben]

I personally think that he plays it better. David hayter's voice just sounds cheesy.

[gamerben]

not really a bad thing for the past games cuz they too were a lil campy, but this one seems to be a lot more serious.

also, they needed someone to do the facial capture for snake. Keifer looks a lot more like snake and it's easier to just get the facial mapping and voice acting done in one go.

[Multiplatguy]

That has been said before.

But does it mean the last Metal Gear or just the last one with Solid in the title? I was hoping Phantom Pain was leading up to a Metal Gear remake.

[TheLastColossus]

He said that many times, but this time I think he said it will be the last one to be made by him.

[Captain_Wormy]

Snakes had a hard life. He needs time to rest.

[Sokol]

Fully agree, Solid Snake might be the last chapter however I do believe we will see more Metal Gear in future.

Hopefully, Kojima continues the amazing work.

[Dawknight316]

How many times have we heard this? lol

[F0XHOUND]

Never. The final chapter for big boss, maybe. But let's assume that's untold chapters they are referring to.. metal gear 1/2 are known... they could be remastered in the future.

Metal gear will not end here.... i promise you all that!

[OrangePowerz]

Yeah sure the last MGS, because we haven't heard that statement before from Kojima. :D

[theshredded]

This feels real,he has silent hills now

[masterfox]

MGS is a big franchise, no way in hell they will end this money maker series.

[hkgamer]

i call bs, but at this point of time i dont really care. it would have been cool if it stopped on 2 but the series has been improving so i dont mind if there are anymore.

kojima deserves to make another ip or 2. just want to see what he can do with other genres.

[Greyfoxdbz]

The wording is pretty careful. Just because it is the last Metal Gear in the saga doesn't mean there won't be spin-offs and stuff

[MetroidFREAK21]

I never did play 4 because I've never owned a PS3... I really regret that, but I may buy a used PS3 off eBay. But I will certainly play MGS5... The end of an era for sure. I loved MGS1-3 so I'm sure I'll enjoy 5, and 4 once I get a chance to play it

[Bass_fisherman]

Last MGS directed and produced by Kojima that i belive

[TXIDarkAvenger]

Said that about MGS4 and how he wanted to create other games beyond the MGS universe.

[poor_cus_of_games]

Hopefully we'll get the release date tomorrow.

[The_Sage]

Another Metal Gear, and yet another statement from Kojima that this will be the last Metal Gear that I work on. He can't let it be... It's his baby. And I'm all God with that.

[ToonarmY]

Wasnt MGS4 the last metal gear game too

[The_Sage]

Yep.. So was Snake Eater.

[obmas]

forget mgs, lets get another zoe already

[Gatsu]

It might be last for Kojima-san and if it will, they will end with the best and most epic one :D!

Not sure how I would feel about MGSVI without Kojima directing it. Well he will do Silent Hills and then something. The man never seems to get older so maybe he keep doing MGS...somehow. MG1&2 remake I'd love to see, but let see after 10 years lol.

[ginsunuva]

MGS ended with #4.
Now it's just Konami forcing more out of it.

Anyone who wants more is clearly not a real MGS fan.

[Tapani]

I think he means it this time. If you look at the context and precisely what he said, it was more like "MGS V will close the Metal Gear 1-2, MGS I-V + Peace Walker _Saga_" and that it will be his last Metal Gear/MGS game. I think he doesn't have much to give anymore. Especially now that Snake is almost a silent protagonist.

Hayter will be probably in the end and thank the players for in one way or another. Then it will be new stuff for Kojima (finally!). I'm not entirely sure if MGS series has been going to a better direction or not, I tend to forget how good or bad the previous games were, but I'm kind of getting the MGS fatigue. Maybe MGS V makes me want to play all the games from the beginning one more time to get a grasp of the convoluted and crazy story somehow.

I actually believe him this time. There's not going back to MGS with Kojima, he gave it his all. Props for the guy.

I'm not too happy with the 1984 Sci-Fi setting, I don't understand why he didn't go for a modern day setting or near-future. It's a bit Orwellian, sure, but...

MGS rant over! :D

[zugdar]

Here we go again...

[Tex117]

Doesn't he always say that?

[ZombieGamerMan]

sorry Kojima you said that 5 Metal Gear Solids ago

[Sarah_Ch]

Hahaha true

[Tsubasa-Oozora]

Well FML

[WitWolfy]

You do know we're talking about Kojima, the biggest troll in the gaming industry, right?

[NBT91]

Okay. He's said that ever game since MGS2 but yeah, I'm totally sure he means it this time.

If the demand is there and the story is good, he'll be back. I can't see him not directing a remake of MG1 and 2 (if that ever happens)

[LightDiego]

It was almost sure that MGS 4 would be the last game, Phantom Pain probably it will not be the last game.
I would like a game that you control Gray Fox, just like Revengeance, and a remake of the first Metal Gear Solid.

[vakarian75]

They should have used David Hayter still if its the end of the saga since he started it.

[Gore-Content]

Sure, just like MGS 2,3,4 were supposed to be the last.

[TekKing]

I guess he wants the series to end on a bad note.

[porkChop]

The last Metal Gear Solid, sure, but he didn't say it would be the last Metal Gear game.

[DarXyde]

If it is Kojima's last Metal Gear Solid, I can respect that. I don't want another Sakurai scenario where he becomes a prisoner of a franchise he birthed.

Kojima is an amazing developer and I can understand the logic; the unknown factors and holes in the story are expected to be explained with The Phantom Pain. If there is another story worth exploring, it would be how Raiden became a cyborg when rescuing Sonny from the Patriots, but that may as well just be explored in a Metal Gear Rising sequel (or not at all since Raiden isn't very popular). Besides, although Metal Gear Solid is absolutely my favorite franchise (if there was one game I could have this generation, it would be this), his potential would be restricted to what we know him for. Let's let him explore more franchises. Revive Policenauts? Become the new full-time Silent Hill[s] director? Something new altogether? Wherever the winds take him. I think some of us grew up with Metal Gear and we want to be around for its conclusion. Now might be a great time to do it. I think it'd be selfish to force him to keep making the games just because we love the franchise. Metal Gear Solid would be the Curt Cobain/Tupac/Breaking Bad of gaming where it is extinguished before it had the opportunity to become hated. It would always be respected as one of the greatest franchises in gaming. Personally, I would call it THE greatest, but I'm a tad unconventional.

If you treat Snake as an extension of Kojima, we should be his Naomi Hunter recording at the end of MGS4:

"Snake... the time has come. You've earned your rest. The rose petal is about to fall".

[Logak]

Hideo's been saying with each game that it will be the last, but I've always doubted it. I hope not, I'd love to see a Metal Gear where you play as the BOSS when she was a part of the Cobra Unit in WW2.

[alice2015]

no way
would be a damn shame

[mgszelda1]

we heard this since Metal Gear Solid 2

[Mikeyy]

I really hope Kojima has a successful and revolutionary run with Silent Hills after MGS5. The series deserves it.

Somehow I doubt this is his last Metal Gear. Last Solid is what he's telling you, he takes things literal.

[Cernunnos]

Lol...

MGS2 was supposed to be his last MGS
MGS3 was supposed to be his last MGS
MGS4 was supposed to be his last MGS.
MGS5 is his last MGS... Yup... yup...

[SaveFerris]

I think this will be a fitting send off for Metal Gear Solid. I know Hideo Kojima has said this before about the franchise, but didn't he receive death threats prior to directing Guns of the Patriots? I hope that won't happen again.

[Spore_777]

So... Metal Gear Soild 6: Solid Snake Returns confirmed.

[Brazz]

the last Metal Gear SOLID! than Konami start to make "Metal gear classic" remake, whit solid snake fighting Bigboss! After, 10 years from now, they will make "metal gear Liquid" and "metal gear solidus"! Metal gear is imortal, even after Kojima dies this game will be milked to death!

[daBUSHwhaka]

Snake....noooooooooo

[WizzroSupreme]

It seems fitting that MGS V should really be the end. If "V is for Victory," than Kojima obviously wants to go out on a high note. And Big Boss's journey brings the entire series full circle – especially if it concludes with the beginning of Metal Gear 1.

I like that Kojima can leave the series behind in a triumphant fashion, especially if this means that he can take the reins of Silent Hills from now on and maybe, just maybe a Zone of the Enders.

[cerpintaxt44]

Kojima also said this same thing after 4 and peace walker.

[TheDetective]

Ya it will be the last until they Remake MGS1 again

[MGSmarioPRO]

Looking to the history if he don't want to remake the first two Metal Gear that got out 27 years ago, then i believe this will be the last since chronologically this time he can't go to the future since Solid Snake part ended in MGS4 and with this game all past will be covered.
Still he told the same exact thing when MGS3 came out so who knows...

[rigo8582]

Its easy to say something is your last when you're near the end and you're burned out.

This just my speculation, this Metal Gear will do well which will spawn many of the previous titles to be remade using the Fox engine. Then Kojima will get the inspiration to make another metal gear title. I think he hands the to torch to someone else, and see what they can do with the IP in the future.

[Kyizen]

He said this after MSG2, he said this after MGS4..and now he is saying it again lol.

[DillyDilly]

I'm Batman if this is true

[22CobraKing]

If it really is the last one it should be a masterpiece to finish Metal Gear. If it's not then take your time and develop a working game not the copy & paste unfinished game at launch.

[ShiranaiJittai]

Kojima I believed you the first time you told me this with Snake Eater. Then I believed you with Guns of the Patriots. Now you are just crying like a wolf or rather outfoxing people like a hound.

[DoggyBiscuit]

I doubt it MSG is Konami money maker, Silent Hill and Castlevania aren't that popular anymore

[Donnywho]

Uh huh...

[-EvoAnubis-]

Yeah, 'cause this is totally the first time he's said that about a MGS game....

[Yetter]

This is great news. Let Kojima move on and do something else. The man is brilliant, let him stretch

[Chapter11]

No one said this will be the last MGS, it'll just be the last MGS Kojima will work on.

I think I actually believe him this time. He's already working on another game, Silent Hills, and he's worked on other non MGS games in the past. I think this might be the last one for him, for real this time.

[kupomogli]

Kojima says this literally every single game that comes out.

[dreamed]

Ign says 1st september is the launch

[8bitswarrior]

Metal Gear Solid remake, a box with the remakes 1,2,3,4, peacewalker and portable ops with the fox engine and including TPP. could be sweet!!!

[darkwalker]

He's said this about every Metal Gear Solid since Sons of Liberty. I highly doubt Phantom Pain will be the last in the series.

[ghostrider32]

Yeah right. He been making the "final Metal gear" for years.