Will Bloodborne be Smeared by the Media Like The Order: 1886 Was?

OnlySP: The Order: 1886 received some harsh treatment and double standards leading up to the game's release. Will people find a way to do the same to the next PS4 exclusive?

[DanielGearSolid]

Not if they value their careers...

[Magicite]

BB will be GOTY and 90/100 at least. Thats a given.

[Christopher]

Cute.

Now that we're done with making our clicks off of The Order and how it's been reviewed, let's turn the whole fanboy drama drivel onto the next game and pre-load it with the same crap.

Stop fueling stupid fanboy drivel. The fact you write an opinion piece about that specifically tells others to continue to do whatever it takes to get clicks because it's obviously getting attention.

[Wingsfan24]

Right, and overhyping games works just as well right? Let's just continue on with the every game is spectacular, amazing, wonderful, gorgeous bullcrap. The article points out how stupid the coverage was towards The Order, but you obviously didn't read past the title so bravo!

[Wingsfan24]

Also hiding articles from the front page like this one, while others just mindlessly overhype and defend games is a good practice too. Just saying. Because you obviously care about flamebait/s

[Christopher]

***Right, and overhyping games works just as well right? Let's just continue on with the every game is spectacular,***

Where did I say that? If you're going to talk about a game, then talk about the specifics of the game on its own and stop hammering in another game that is highly rated or recently panned just to add controversy.

***The article points out how stupid the coverage was towards The Order, but you obviously didn't read past the title so bravo!***

Why should I? The point is how you dress up the article. You are selling controversy and then just providing whatever you want in the text.

***Also hiding articles from the front page like this one, while others just mindlessly overhype and defend games is a good practice too. ***

Putting focus on actual news rather than clickbait opinion pieces. Yeah, it is a good practice. Where do you think all those opinion pieces that flooded the site last week about The Order went? Or did you want the whole header to be filled with people taking advantage of a hot topic and turning it into clicks?

[Wingsfan24]

***The article points out how stupid the coverage was towards The Order, but you obviously didn't read past the title so bravo!***

Why should I? The point is how you dress up the article. You are selling controversy and then just providing whatever you want in the text.

Lol, really? That's...ok. The title directly corresponds with what was said in the article. So, basically what you've said there is that based on the title of something you can immediately judge if its worth your time? Must not read a whole lot of books then.

The article combats the controversy, not adds to it. Maybe that, is why you should read past a title. There's a difference between click bait titles, and titles that are misleading and uninformative. A title that draws your attention is a good title believe it or not.

[Christopher]

***There's a difference between click bait titles, and titles that are misleading and uninformative.***

You asked a question in the title and cannot answer it since you do not know. A more appropriate title would have been: "Why Bloodborne Shouldn't be Smeared by the Media"

See how it talks about the topic and doesn't ask a question that can't be answered AND doesn't bring up the topic of The Order at all but can still be discussed in the article itself as an example of what you are discussing?

I'll ignore your attempt to call me dumb and uneducated. Great arguing method there. Really supports your view. Especially if you don't understand that clickbait titles are a core reason of how we rate articles on their merit. Want to not be talked about negatively? Start writing better. I hear there are books on the subject.

[Jalva]

Conspiracy! Conspiracy! Conspiracy!

Don't worry there's no hate campaign against PS4 exclusives, the media treated The Order the same way they treated Ryse.

Bloodborne will be fine, people know what they're getting with that game which is why it has gotten no criticism at all whereas people were extremely skeptical about The Order as soon as that first gameplay trailer was shown.

[OB1Biker]

No. Because its hard to find an angle to attack it but Uncharted will be smeared as it already started with graphics downgrade,framerate, it will of course be leaked that the game is very 'short' etc etc

[Visiblemarc]

One of the issues isn't only bias, it is that many game reviewers hate their jobs.

Bear with me...

They play games they, often, have no interest in, in an incredibly compact window. The Order should be played in 30-60 minute chunks over the course a week or two. Reviewers can't do that. They cram the whole game into a day, get burnt out and write a rant. It's as much a complaint about their job as the games.

Marathon style games review better. Open world games are a good example, because they are tolerable for long play sessions.

[OB1Biker]

@Visiblemarc  
You certainly have a good point. Also reviewers sometimes just don't like a game before they even play it reminding me of the guy who admited straightaway in a TLOU review he doesn't like the horror/Zombie/survival genre but proceeded in reviewing it and of course gave it a poor review. It is umbelievable to review a game they have no interest in but probably happens many times

[himdeel]

No. I need harder questions:) like, "How many times will I die in Bloodborne?"

Over 9000! For the DBZ fan...

[nucky64]

or...how many times will i shout swear words at the screen while playing bloodborne?

[dantesparda]

"Will Bloodborne be Smeared by the Media Like The Order: 1886 Was?"

Yes! of course it will and anybody who doesn't think so is naïve. The fanboy media will have a field day with it.

[MysticStrummer]

I have no doubt there will be some negativity, there always is, but the operative words in this question are "like The Order:1886 was". The Order was under fire from the time it was revealed and the negative articles still haven't stopped. Bloodborne hasn't gotten the same treatment.

[Big_Game_Hunters]

Bloodborne isn't a mediocre game. I don't see why it would get bashed.

[Wingsfan24]

A lot of people didn't think The Order was mediocre either.

[Big_Game_Hunters]

most people did, including most journalists/reviewers, therefore they "smeared it"

[NeoTribe]

Your right, thats why its selling fantastic.

[Rachel_Alucard]

Quality =/= Sales

[Spotie]

You got some facts to back up that claim that most people think The Order is mediocre? So far, I only see a handful of fanboys saying that, and most of them quite obviously haven't played it.

I wonder: do you fit into that category?

[gangsta_red]

Do you have any facts claiming that a handful of fanboys haven't played it?

Because I have a fact that linked you saying that you don't have to play a game to be disappointed in it.

And the mediocre scores and reviews aren't fact enough?

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

@gangsta_red

"Do you have any facts claiming that a handful of fanboys haven't played it?"

Well the easiest way to prove that you've actually played the game is to post your PSN ID and allow your gaming activities to be public. I'm not afraid to show people that i've played the order and haven't pretended to by watching youtube videos. Can you say the same?

BTW my PSN ID is on my profile.

[Big_Game_Hunters]

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

This is the most accurate measure available, while 1700 still isn't much, it is still the current largest amount of opinions combined to make an average. the average is mediocre. Anyway even if i did only watch it on youtube why does it matter, i don't think anyone here will defend the gameplay, the rest can be fairly judged just by watching it.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

@Big_Game_Hunters

So we should completely dismiss the fact that people are posting on Metacritic simply to manipulate the overall score of the game many of which were obviously posted by people who have never played the game.

One of Metacritic user reviews:

"The Order: 1886 try to get many things merged into one together, but none of them were really outstanding. Cover-based shooting is okay, but generic, weapons are overpowered, AI is relatively not smart, pathetic enemy types. Its stealth also feel half-finished. and I have no idea why they even include some puzzle-solving in this game. There is some great moment found in this game, but they are very often too far between. The game also feels linear, you are often forced to do what the game told you to do. You have no choice but to do so. Labeled as a cover-based shooter I actually spent a lot of the time watching cutscenes, which is acceptable. You walk and initiate another cutscene, well I don't really like that. This is also a cinematic experience, as what RAD has promoted. Therefore they add a lot of Quick Time Events (QTE). I do believe that it can help players to further immerse into the story. However, if every action required you to press button then it become something tiring. Most importantly, I don't found playing this game fun. It is straight up boring. The campaign last for 7 hours, which is short when compared with other games in the market. For a already boring game with such length, a multiplayer option would be awesome as it can effectively extend the game's lifespan. Unfortunately it didn't has any. It is really a pity because it have a lot of potential to become a 4-player co-operative games."

"Overall, The Order 1886 will go down as possibly one of the biggest wasted opportunities in gaming history. 5 years of development for a measly 6 hours of mundane gameplay is completely unacceptable. This product is merely a tech demo to showcase the future possibilities of the PS4 and offers absolutely nothing in respect to an absorbing title. The lackluster story, dreadfully generic mechanics and shoddy design structure render this game a major letdown and should be avoided at all costs unless you can borrow the game and even then; it may not even be worth your time"

"The gameplay though. It's Ryse with guns. Like, if you've played Ryse then play this, you will see exactly what I mean. One problem is that I'll be finally really be getting into combat, and then it'll yank the control away from me again for a cutscene that you can't skip or look away from incase there's a QTE, so it holds your attention hostage when it shouldn't have to. On the combat, it could feel weightier and grittier. They've already decided on creating a gritty world, but the combat doesn't match that. It feels the kind of game that would warrant a bit of gore, as it would have fitting context."

Here you have 3 examples of people posting reviews who have not played the game. It plays nothing like Ryse, yes it's linear, and it has no multiplayer.

The problem with Metacritic user reviews is that fanboys, delusional fanboys who believe in nonsense will post overly negative reviews for the sole purpose of bringing down the overall score. I discount Metacritic for that very reason, a reason that I didn't know until Drive Club was released.

For anyone who has actually played the game do you actually believe that TO 1886 plays like Ryse? GTFOH!

[the_dark_one]

i want to say no but....... i can see it happen. but again i think gamers already made their mind about buying it, especially Souls fans

[StifflerK]

I'm buying it regardless what the media says.
The game looks fantastic and it's from a great studio.

[Wingsfan24]

Having beaten The Order, some of the complaints about the game were valid. There's a lot of sections that just felt like shooting galleries, and I think the lycans could have been utilized more in the game to make it less generic. However, the characters, the graphics, the sounds...everything was great. The sites that gave the game anything lower than a 6, I think, need to rethink their scoring systems or look at the double standards.

Bloodborne, well, it's pretty much the opposite of what The Order was in most regards. But honestly, I'm sure media and gamers alike will find something to cry about. Pretty much seen it with every exclusive whether it be on the PS4 or Xbox One as of late. Some warranted I suppose, some not.

[iamnsuperman]

I can see it being polarising but like similar games before it the media understands the genre this game is a part of. I suspect we will see a lot of 9 or 6s with very little in between

[-Foxtrot]

Doubtful they aren't stupid, you can't smear 2 games from the same company at roughly the same time

Way too obvious.

[Pandamobile]

Yeah, cus the only reason The Order was panned was because it was a PS4 exclusive, right?

[-Foxtrot]

Never said that but well done for twisting it into what you wanted.

I just said it would be a stupid move

Keyword - *would*

[Pandamobile]

You pretty much did. The opinion piece itself seems to sell that idea too.

[Big_Game_Hunters]

LOL he definitely is saying that, and actually trying to deny it.

[AHall88]

What's way too obvious?

The Order was nothing special at all, but was somehow hyped beyond reason, no smearing too place.

Bloodborne is not my cup of tea, i.e., I hate the Demon/Dark Souls series, but it looks like it's hitting all the right points for the kind of game it is, from what I've seen anyway.

[MysticStrummer]

"no smearing too place."

Assuming you meant "took", you can't possibly be serious. Even if you only take the infamous 5 hour length allegation that was repeated over as if it was the real duration of the game you're wrong in saying there was no smearing, but there were other negative things said in more than one "review" which I found to be either completely false or greatly exaggerated when I played the game.

[MasterCornholio]

I don't want to go through that again.

It was absolutely horrible having to read a million hate articles before the game even released.

[strangeaeon]

If you like the game that much it shouldn't bother you. Also, perhaps not reading these so called "hate articles" would suit you better if they are that upsetting. I have the feeling Bloodborne will get glowing reviews based on early impressions though.

[Software_Lover]

Sites were trying to tell everyone what The Order was about MONTHS AGO. Nothing but praise for Bloodborne starting MONTHS AGO.

Nothing to see here.

[Blues Cowboy]

Yeah, this. I'm not entirely sure what this article is trying to argue, and I did actually read it!

[Gamer777]

Fans of the Order simply aren't accepting that many gamers and critics found the game to be average. Few people had negative impressions of bloodbourne from the start and it will likely be well reviewed because of this.

[bnoyes]

Yeah, the level of denial is off the charts. I've had people private messaging me in a desperate attempt to convince me that the story and gameplay in The Order were incredible. But the game was truly average, and doesn't even seem like it was developed with gamers in mind.

On the other hand, Bloodborne appears to be a true gamer's game, by all accounts. I'm expecting a positive response from critics and players alike, with the exception of people who want their hands held.

[MysticStrummer]

"Fans of the Order simply aren't accepting that many gamers and critics found the game to be average."

I haven't seen many complaints about the average scores. What I've seen is people having a problem with the very lowest scores.

[Blues Cowboy]

No. Because Bloodborne revealed great gameplay, had great previews/betas/hands-on, and seems set to be a great game. (fingers crossed, I can't wait!)

Unlike The Order. Also, since when is accurately reporting on hands-on sessions and game length 'smearing' or 'double standards'?

Double standards would have been really positive previews followed by mixed reviews.

[aragon]

what is wrong with these days the order got bad previews and so did ryse,so have many other games and if changes werent made before the game went gold the reviews would be average or suck, its like everyone thinks theres a conspiracy against playstation? Bloodbourne looks AWESOME and there has been no bad previews so why would the game be smeared with a bad tag? THE GAME IS BEING SMEARED YEA ITS BEING SMEARED AS THE GREATEST GAME OF 2015. Bloodbourne4thawin#

[Blues Cowboy]

I think you misunderstood my comment. I'm talking about The Order, not Bloodborne :)

[aragon]

Actually I am agreeing with you dude I'm saying the order got what it did from previews and reviews dearly I'm saying bloodborne will be awesome lol read again

[Blues Cowboy]

@aragon: Sorry! I guess *I* misunderstood. :P

[OB1Biker]

Very poplished game delivering everything the studio said it would rated 4 VS broken game rated 9 = double standard

[Kribwalker]

Lol smear campaign against the order lol

People had major concerns with the order from day one when they played the demo. They voiced their concerns, Said they didn't like these aspects of the game. The game released, and it still had the issues that people were concerned about. It is exactly the same thing as Ryse. A tech demo with some gameplay sprinkled in. Some people might have enjoyed the order, just like I enjoyed ryse, but it was critically panned because it wasn't a game worth more then the avg score it has received, the mid 60s

[bnoyes]

I'm guessing the author of this article has no idea who Miyazaki is.

[Jughead3416]

Did you see the new boss fight that IGN posted? The Darkbeast Paarg!!!!! Awesome! After watching this, anyone who gives this game any hate isn't a real gamer

[Tapani]

Bloodborne is the biggest budget game from Miyazaki's legendary team who made each game better than the one before. Don't compare it to a relatively new (but extremely talented) RAD studio. They are in different leagues. These guys made games since 1986. Ready at Dawn opened their doors 17 years later.

Plus, Bloodborne is built around well-received pure hardcore gameplay experience unlike The Order 1886, that was more of an experimental game.

[PlayableGamez]

No because Blood actually looks fun to play.

[Dan_scruggs]

Smeared is subjective. What isn't subjective is that The Order at its best was an average game. Its 2015 and there is no excuse for a AAA game like The Order to be copying and pasting QTE boss battles throughout the game to pad the run time. Perhaps they should have spent less time texturing tiny little scratches on the metal of their guns and more time thing about what you will actually be doing in the game.

[Debaitable]

Let's be fair. The Order was coming from a PSP developer and it was their first huge game on a console. The majority of criticism was coming from PS4 owners. If you enjoyed The Order good for you, nothing wrong with that. At least the studio has a small fanfare that will buy their console games day 1, which is fine, they have to start somewhere. You can't expect them to hit Rockstar numbers.

Now Bloodbourne is from a trusted console developer (depending if you're into this certain type of game.). So .no, I don't think it will get 'hated' on as much as because the expectation from them warrants a $60 purchase for most.

[bnoyes]

The Order got the reviews it deserved, and we can only hope that will also be the case for Bloodborne.

[cruzngta]

Bloodborne will do fine because at its core its alot like the Dark Souls and Demons Souls games. People can relate to that type of gameplay and the atmosphere and the developer behind it are both kick ass. RAD created a very unique ambitious game in the Order that either you liked or didnt. I personally love it and am still playing thru it. I hope we see some cool dlc for it and an inevitable killer sequel which they may build upon game content wise with maybe a MP mode. At the end of the day all of these journalists and self appointed 'experts' like to find the bad in everything that isnt up to their unreal standards so they just like to complain like they did about Ryse on the XB1. Most people today are so miserable they just like sucking the joy out of others who maybe like games like the Order or others like it. Long story short play your games and enjoy them for what they are because these people arent in your home with you berating you as you play your games so in essence they are irrelevant.

[gamertk421]

Fingers crossed

[Kyosuke_Sanada]

With Hidetaka Miyazaki current track record........No.

[tmh3593]

No because bloodborne is gonna be awesome and this is coming from an Xbox one player

[ScaryMonkey]

This ones easy, the answer is absolutely. Its called the Playstation exclusive effect, rest assured xbox fanboys are getting their article ready as we speak.

[endzeitkind]

with bloodborne, you will get much more for your money for sure. and when i look back to the good old days with dark souls, this game will be a better investment.

[HurstDarkStar]

If you believe the core of fans that like the souls series is gonna give a flying shit about what a review and negative campaigning before it comes out, you gotta get your head checked because you don't get why they want this game in the first place. Unless they don't deliver on the gameplay I can't see this happening. Plus this just isn't the order, people tend to hate QTE games more and more now but gameplay driven games? Hell no.