Sony Working on Improving Multithreading and Parallel Processing for PS4 and PS3

Microsoft's introduction of DirectX 12 has impressed many especially due to the ability to massively improve the multithreading efficiency of the CPU, which will apply to both PCs and Xbox One, but apparently Sony isn't staying idle, and is working to improve pretty much the same areas on its consoles.

[johndoe11211]

This is no surprise. It happens every gen. As time goes on they optimize the systems better and enhance the performance. All systems do it. Hence the reason it is asinine for some fanboys to think that the xbox will somehow miraculously catch up to the ps4 with directx 12 while sony sits back and do nothing.

"Fanboyism isn't the determined and undying support of an item, product or object that you love, but the blinding of one's self to its faults and the lack of admittance in the face of negative truth"

Johndoe11211, 2014

[Xsilver]

I think it's great that their Still improving the PS3 you gotta love that support.

[DK_Kithuni_71]

You just gotta love Sony.

[amiga-man]

It amazes me how many xone supporters imagined this sort of thing was only possible for the xone, DX12 for all the hype M$ tries to create for it is only software which will grow more efficient over time on the PS4 too.

The simple truth is no matter what M$ does the xone will always have the inferior specs and lag behind the PS4 anyone who can't see that really are blind.

[Hyper_Tension140]

@amiga-man

They just dont want to believe their console is much more weaker this time.

Ive seen some xbox 360 fans trash ps3s multi platform games just for having a slight blurry texture there and there, or a 2fps advantage.

Just accept that microsoft messed up this time, jeez.

[WrAiTh Sp3cTr3]

' ""Fanboyism isn't the determined and undying support of an item, product or object that you love, but the blinding of one's self to its faults and the lack of admittance in the face of negative truth" '

"Johndoe11211, 2014"

Lol, but yet there's no game that looks better than Ryse graphically. Quite the paradox me thinks...

[Azmatik]

Lol i bet sony releases this update way before microsoft releases dx12 which dx12 (correct me if im wrong) has a release date of holiday 2015? Or maybe im thinking of their cloud thingy. Whatever the case microsoft is a joke if they actually think people are being impressed about software technology hyping it to sound like the greatest thing since sliced bread and it will add amazingness meanwhile not being released for over a year! they all need to be fired Lmfao. Let sony show them how its done i mean were geting cloud game streaming in 2 months. Srry xbox fans i know u love ur console but microsoft failed. The problem isnt ppl down playing MS for dx12 its how much MS is hyping it. Do you remember the first video of the xbox1 lmao i still remember laughing as the main guy says "it has amazing invisible technlogy" Edit: i found the link now click to watch and get a good laugh. http://www.youtube.com/watc... Wait wraith did u just say nothing looks graphically better then ryse lol.

[Bruce_Wayne]

@ spectre

Ryse is an extremely linear game. Second Son is open world and that game is beautiful and mops the floor with it. KZ:SF is thought by many to be better than Ryse as well. You know what's the actual paradox? Crytek only focuses on graphics and they're not the victors in everyone's eyes.

[darthv72]

As much as many one sided gamers want to believe there is this magical parity that these systems will find. i for one want them to be distinguishable. i want each to have their own identity and games that define them.

Specs dont matter, games do. one platform will have the better specs and i would appreciate it if the devs took advantage of that just as i expect devs to do their best to take advantage of the specs of the other platforms regardless of the limitations.

that is why the best gen (IMO) was the snes/genesis/tg16. Each system had such a significant performance difference and yet we saw games like gunstar heroes on the genesis, dkc on snes and even a really good arcade port of street fighter 2 on the PC engine.

Im okay with there being performance differences in the next gen platforms so long as each will get the games that show that creativity and new ideas are moving things forward and we stop talking about specs and get back to what matters most.

[johndoe11211]

@wraith

You just keep that delusion buddy.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[Hyper_Tension140]

@WrAiTh Sp3cTr3

I bet you money the next game Crytek makes for both systems will look better on PS4.

And im sure Ryse could of been 1080p/solid 30fps if it was on PS4.

[Ben Dover]

@ WrAiTh Sp3cTr3

Yea sure. Meanwhile Infamous is making Ryse look like a last-gen game.

http://i2.minus.com/ieRtUiU...

http://i.imgur.com/1PuQhmH....

100% ingame taken with the new Photo Mode.

[UnbiasedOpinions]

No one said Sony wouldn't be improving PS4's software, it was just said that Microsoft will do it better

[TitanUp]

sony have always supported their older consoles, im pretty sure they have anyways.

[BX81]

@ Amiga- man

And our consoles will always lag behind pc's. I don't get the point you're trying to make

[morganfell]

Easily its inFamous. All taken in game:

https://farm3.staticflickr....

http://i.imgur.com/1PuQhmH....

https://pbs.twimg.com/media...

http://i.imgur.com/h4YpWmL....

http://abload.de/img/blesxe...

http://i2.minus.com/itQZOyD...

http://i4.minus.com/i9ppHmO...

http://i.minus.com/iHM9Eg2t...

[Ghost_Nappa]

Ryse frequently drops below 30fps, has painfully repetitive combat and gameplay elemts that make it glaringly obvious it used to be a kinect game( spear throwing, turrets, and phalanx). killzone shadowfall runs at above 30fps and is an acceptable alternative to watching paint dry(unlike Ryse).

[strifeblade]

Is it better than Dx12? Didn't think so. However I love Sony. They are so good to gamers that they don't even care about money. I don't even know how they survive the business world. Msoft is all.fake PR however Sony is all real pr- this makes them good

[GameNameFame]

gaps will never close.

As X1 improves, PS4 will improve just as much if not more.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

SONY -Good Guy Gamers.. <RESPECT.

[scott182]

But I thought Sony was never going to improve.... Weren't they supposed to just stay stagnant?

[imt558]

@UnbiasedOpinions

How Microsoft will do it better if PS4 is already better and easier for developing games?

[AndrewLB]

I hate to break it to you all, but not a single PS4 or Xbone game will EVER look this good: http://archive.sunet.se/pub...

They just don't have the processing power to achieve the level of detail seen in Metro: Last Light.

http://img837.imageshack.us...

http://media.pcgamer.com/fi...

Ben Dover- That whole scene with the brick building has horrible texture detail. Here is an example of sharp and detailed textures. http://international.downlo...

[morganfell]

I hate to break it to you Andrew but most PCs cannot render Metro on high settings either. I have a 5Ghz system pushing 32Gb or Ram but I still prefer consoles.

Let me break something else to you. You are trolling. Either from feelings of inferiority, lack of great PC titles, or some other unknown reason but it is trolling. It was clear, at least to those with minimal 3rd grade reading comprehension skills, this was a conversation between PS4 and X1 enthusiasts and yet you come in and demonstrate the worst of PC gamers.

[Gentlemanlygamer1992]

@ Morganfell

If you really had a pc like that you wouldn't mention just the processor and ram. Those have things to do with gaming yes but the graphics card is also important. For example. My computer only has a 3.6 ghz Intel 4th and 8 GB of ram and I can run it with everything maxed at around 45 fps. Why? Because I have dual gtx 770s. Ram and cpu do not a computer make. I still wish I would have bought a ps4 though. Lol. Oh well. My loss

[morganfell]

Oh, there is a certain way of listing components now on PC? I'll wager as someone that gamed on a Vic64 and a Trash80 I have been at this far longer than you. I have a AMD Vishera 9590 Black Edition that idles at 4.7Ghz and then autosteps to 5Ghz when gaming pushing 32Gb of Mushkin Blackline PC3 19200 sitting on an Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z Mobo. Graphics are two X-fired Sapphire 7970 3GB cards allpowered by a Corsair series HX850 PS. My Tower is a Cooler Master Haf X Blue Edition.

If you are going to call somebody a liar you better have solid intel next time. Here is my invoice from last year. I didn't just gin this up in the basket as you can see these items already shipped from New Egg last year.

http://i39.photobucket.com/...

And it still doesn't alterr the fact that most PCs cannot render at the resolution about which PC purists love to boast.

[tawak]

and no support plan for 360, ms abandon 360 too damn soon. the machine that put them on the console map. while sony is still commited to the millions of ps3 owners.

[mo241]

why are people always saying. Remember lasr gen when xbox 360 fans made fun of this and that and now it suddenly doesn't matter anymore. You guys now the fans of last gen are not the same people anymore. I for one came from ms to sony camp.
maybe some people from sony went to ms.It clearly shows a lot of people from 360 came to ps4.

[bigfish]

I dont know why Sony is doing this, you cannot improve on perfection.

[Kiwi66]

guess they don't think its perfect if they feel they need to try to improve it

[XtraTrstrL]

Yeah, bottom line about X1 and DX12 though, is that it's good that they're fighting. Cuz, without it, Sony wouldn't have to make moves as quick to keep the lead. So, X1 optimizing its dev environment is good for PS4 in the long run.

[randomass171]

Said it before and I'll say it again: systems only improve as time goes on because of this sort of thing. That's part of why games on consoles without changing hardware look better over time.

[Bigpappy]

Spoken like a true FANBOY. You claim to know what Xbox fan boys think with Zero evidence to support your claim. I have never seen one of them make that claim.

Your effort here is to downplay DX12, even though it clearly has the backing and input from the best graphic designing companies in the industry. Yet you stand on your pulpit and accuse others of being in denial for simply being excited for something that will clearly benefit their system.

Meanwhile, you get news that Sony is working to improve multithread on their systems too, but have given no details of what they expect to accomplish, but you are ready to proclaim that it will somehow push PS4's performance beyond what DX12can hope to accomplish.

There was no need to down play DX12. Of course Sony an its developers will improve PS4.

[sinspirit]

Exactly, my thoughts to describe a fanboy. But, I could not find words to put it together so well.

[johndoe11211]

@Bigpappy

You are delusional, biased, showing a basic lack of understanding of the English language and has just proven my point in basically every word of your entire sentence.

At no point in my statement did I make a single one of the claims that you are accusing me of. Nothing, not a single thing I said in that comment made any sort of reference to the things you claimed.

In your state of delusion and due to your fanatical sense of loyalty to microsoft and the xbox brand, you completely misinterpreted my comment and are accusing me of things that were formed in your own delusional mind. You sir, need help, SERIOUS help if you can get all that bs you just stated from the comment I made.

You are exactly the type of person I was describing. I think I'll go discuss this further with my pet canary because it would probably give me more sensible responses than you right now.

[fr0sty]

Just like the cloud, software updates were never a Xbox exclusive thing (though sony isn't interested in the cloud tech because they know it's BS as much as we do).

[n4rc]

But its all hype and PR spin remember.. Dx12 wasn't going to do anything, remember?

But hold on a second.. Sony is working to implement the same features? But why? They don't apply to consoles right?

Lol.. Hilarious.. Good for Sony, but some fans need to stop with the flip flopping all depending which side does it

[Revolver_X_]

DX12 will improve the X1. Will it close the gap? No. #DEALWITHIT

[geddesmond]

Thats what I said last week. Sure wasn't it a few weeks before the DX12 announcement that a Sony Ice developer announced how they had something in the works to reduce ram on textures. Can't remember it fully and I'm too drunk now to search the piece but rest assured if some tech out there discovered how to reduce the memory a game used via DX12 then competition are never far behind. That's why I lol'd at how Xbots who thought DX12 would surpase their machine beyond the capabilities of thee PS4

Ever hear of reverse technology.

[elninels]

@johndoe11211

Nice to meet you, voice of reason.

[ScareFactor]

I can't wait see people praising Sony for this but they downplay and criticize Microsoft doing the same with Direct x12

[Blackleg-sanji]

now was that really worth ur only bubble

[KingKelloggTheWH]

People dont criticize MS for improving the console, they say it wont make up the power difference.Which it cant.

[n4rc]

Yet those same Sony fans are the ones saying it would, just to argue it..

Despite one or two guys trolling you.. Nobody, especially ms has said dx12 will make the x1 faster then ps4..

Yet I can post hundreds of examples of Sony fanboys claiming everyone is saying it

[Revolver_X_]

Go ahead n4rc, post'em. I'll just point out the xbot troll they are responding to. Its always fun to troll the trolls themselves. The fact that you take everything at face value on the internet deeply worries me about your gullibility.

[johndoe11211]

Let me stop you right there. The reason people are skeptical about direct x12 is because everyone knows that the main benefiter of direct x12 is the PC platform. It has always been. Because the xbox one is a console and already has a low level api the benefits of direct x12 is questionable. Notice I didn't say there will be no benefits, the question is, will it be as much as people are hyping it up to be?

PS4 has a custom os and what ever they are working on is designed specifically for the ps4. Not the PC or any other device. Like I said, the xbone will see improvements in the future, there is no doubt about that. The question is, will it be in the form of direct x12 and if so how much.

[Kayant]

PS3/PS4 finally going Super Sayian :p

OT - Also add mobile to what you said in the beginning. MS has of yet outlined/shown the benefit it will have on XB1 in the same way they have outlined on PC. All they have said is "it will help" - quoting phil spencer.

@IIusive_man

And you know that how?

XB1 doesn't you DX11.2. It uses DX11.X which has DX11 features and beyond --> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dir...

[Illusive_Man]

You'd be corrent DX11.2 api is low level but being low level doesn't make it automatically a good API. DX 11.2 is very inefficient, low level or not.

[DK_Kithuni_71]

I do not mind Microsoft improving on the Xbox One. They should. But stop the marketing BS please. The Sony PlayStation 4 is faster. The hardware inside just packs more punch.

[imt558]

@ ScareFactor

Sony already has multithreading on PS4. They just work on it to improve it. InFamouse already use it, Resogun use multithreading. Xbone will have this another year with DX12.

Look how Ice Team react on DX12 announcement :

http://www.dualshockers.com...

[geddesmond]

No they criticize MS because MS played it off like they had something in the works that would excel their power beyond the PS4s. Just like they have with the cloud. Smart people like me know better and know if One company can do it then so can another. It just falls to another catagory then of who had the most power

[Pinkdolphinyfg]

You mean to tell me sony is barely hiring for improved multithreading support meanwhile microsoft has had dx12 in the works for years.

[ThatOneGuyThere]

ps3 is built on multithreading and parallel processing. that was the whole point of it.

[mkis007]

No...that is not what they are telling you. That is what you want to believe.

[johndoe11211]

Stoopid comment is stoopid.

[dodgefate]

This would be cool if only psn was up PSN & XBL is messed up an getting worse. Both need to work on getting there network together and then work on more games.... then work on software.

- PSN http://downdetector.com/sta...

- XBL http://downdetector.com/sta...

[UnbiasedOpinions]

https://support.xbox.com/en...

Xbox LIVE is running perfectly

[dodgefate]

So was PSN I own both it was the internet in some states was messing up an it is solved now.

[hkgamer]

No SH!T Sherlock.

Obviously they have been working on this. You think they just been sitting on their asses waiting for devs to do tis all themselves? why do you think PS3/360 games look so good at the end of the generation?

Stupid article. can't beleive i gave them a click.

[No_Limit]

LOL, just do what I do, just copy the title and paste it on google. Dualshockers just uses articles/tweets/Neogaf fake insiders post for all their articles so you would find other more credible links to get the full scoop. I haven't link to Dualshockers for like 2 months now because to tell you the truth, I really hate that site and the shady way they try to bait us into their site for hits with troll bait and incomplete headlines.

[yewles1]

"What’s interesting is that while the ad definitely indicates application on PS4 due to the mention of GPGPU (General-purpose computing on graphics processing units) and cutting-edge hardware, it seems that the candidate will also work on PS3, which is the only console using SPUs (Synergistic Processing Unit). Looks like Sony’s veteran console hasn’t yet given all it could."

You're forgetting Cell's (and Larabee too, if you think about it) contributions to the advancement of GPGPU and stream processing. It means getting optimizations on one console will work on the other and vice versa.

[lemoncake]

If they are only just now hiring and starting work on this then it will take them quite a while to catch up in this area, seems dx12 has already begun to ruffle some feathers.

[Illusive_Man]

And that Sony may feel somewhat threatened by DX12 on XB1.

[GamersHeaven]

I'm sure Sonys sweating bullets I mean how can PS4 GPU 50% power advantage long with better faster memory topple that?

[MysticStrummer]

Why would they feel threatened at all? Every comparison I've read about Mantle and DX12 say they're very similar, but more importantly neither one will help consoles as much as PCs.

[n4rc]

Both use 8 core CPUs.. Making the most of all of them is a common goal for both..

Its not like either side went "omg, we need to do that too!"

Timing of their announcement doesn't imply the idea belongs to one of the other.. Just two solutions for a shared issue

[D3ATH_DRIV3R_777]

As XBOX improves, PLAYSTATION improves. Simple as that! if anybody thinks that a game company improves their console and their competitor just supposed to sit and don't do nothing to improve their console is crazy as leaf ears on a acorn. That will just be plum nuts if that ever happen!

[DK_Kithuni_71]

Microsoft will terminate/sell the Xbox division soon.

Satya Nadella, Microsoft CEO, is by no means a “gaming” guy at heart. After joining Microsoft in 1992, he played a crucial role in the company's enterprise team, and went on to be the brains behind the software giant's move into the cloud. He was even against Microsoft buying Nokia. Nadella wants to focus only on core services at Microsoft. Not gaming, not hardware.

Now that the Xnox One is a flop (and yes, I said it, it's a flop) at consumers the Xbox division is soon to be no more.

[Kiwi66]

troll harder next time unless you've been living under a rock you'd know the xbox division is not being sold

[thejigisup]

Sony ICE team says hello.
http://www.dualshockers.com...

The ICE Team focuses on creating core graphics technologies for Sony's worldwide first party published titles, including low level game engine components, graphics processing pipelines, supporting tools, and graphics profiling and debugging tools. The ICE Team also supports third party developers with a suite of engine components, and a graphics analysis, profiling, and debugging tool for the RSX

[mrmarx]

sony says what ever the xbone does.......... we do it better

[matt139]

So many deluded fanboys on this site. The fact of the matter is that despite the ps4 being more powerful, the best console graphics game to date is ryse. Infamous and KZ don't look anywhere near as good as it.

[reko]

NO.

[HammockGames]

Ryse? That's far from a fact.

Ryse looks ok and the character models are decent. But the resolution isn't impressive and the framerate dips can make Ryse look like slideshow at times. Or maybe that's a feature...

Crytek: "We designed Ryse to slow down so you can appreciate the higher quality pixels." Heh, heh.

Infamous and Killzone are in a different league visually - and they perform smoothly.

Time to drop any arguments that hinge on Ryse.

[Geomasonic]

yeah, right, keep telling yourself that
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[khushand]

Look who is a deluded fan boy Infamous blows Ryse out of the water if the Xbox one tried to run a game like that the system would blow up and even Killzone looks better than Ruse although with some downgrades it could run on the One maybe.

[SoulSercher620]

That comment is proof you haven't played Infamous. Because if you did you would know Infamous' graphics far outclasses Ryse's. And that's a fact.

[MysticStrummer]

"So many deluded fanboys on this site"

"the best console graphics game to date is ryse"

Now that's comedy.

[Hyper_Tension140]

@MysticStrummer

Thanks for making me spit juice all over my computer screen and keyboard, you a**hole.XD

That's comedy indeed.(+funny bubble)

[DigitalRaptor]

Watching Xbots try and proclaim Ryse as the "best console graphics", is about as funny and delusional as much as the same people using a heavily downgraded and stripped back Forza 5 as their leading 1080p/60fps example.
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No. Ryse is not the best looking game to date. It's a linear game with boring, slow repetitive combat, and frame rate dips up the arse. The only areas that Ryse has either of those games beat it facial details and character animations.

inFamous: Second Son outclasses it in every other conceivable respect, as does Killzone Shadow Fall. The first is open-world with fast, dynamic gameplay, destructibility, insane particle effects, outputting at a higher resolution and running at a higher frame rate. The second has open levels and more details, particle effects, lighting and outputs at a higher resolution and runs at a higher frame rate.

[Fz6soldier]

So much for DX12 "closing the gap"

[mysteryraz11]

infamous second son already looks better then kz sf and its a open world game, photo mode should be on every ps4 game, though order1886 and uc4 will surpass infamous second sons graphics

[ironmonkey]

keep talkin the shit dream. how bout right now! the xbox 1 can only muster up 900p or 720p while ps4 hits 1080p out of the box. while microsoft works their ass off to hit a 1080p resolution dx12 dream, sony only needs to improve their graphics beyond already amazing titles they already have out. eat it.

[tee_bag242]

Nothing to brag about. PS4 still can't hit 1080p @ 60fps. Only you feel like you're winning because X1 sucks even worse. Lol you fanboys.

[Sy_Wolf]

The PS4 hits 1080p at 60 frames/second a lot actually.

[Sy_Wolf]

In other news, water is wet, grass is green, cows go moo. (But what does the fox say?)

[Rhythmattic]

"I'll have a coffee Scully"

[mbanatech25]

@WOLF the fox says nothing.

[Azzanation]

All I read in this comment section is Infamous looks better then Ryse and so does Killzone SF? Are you guys serious? Its already proven by many developers that Ryse is the best looking game on the market. It isn't a great game to play but the visuals are 2nd to none. It pushes the most Polys, uses the most effects and does it at 900p and at a good 30frames. Now remember Ryse also had the 10% Kinect handicap so take away 10% of the systems power and it also isn't using DX12 or Cloud.

Give respect where its due.

[IRetrouk]

Funny thing is delsin actally has more polys than the guy out of ryse, in an open world, so whos really pushing more? As for which looks better? I dont know, I dont have an xbox one to compare to my ps4 so my view is subjective at best, although you talking about effects has me question if you have played either infamous or killszone. The effects in those games, especially infamous, are really well done and nothing like anything I have seen from videos, which I admit is again subjective but it is what it is.

[player002]

only main character in Infamous have more polygons then ryse not pedestrians etc where in ryse all characters on screen have same polygons of 85,000 not to mention the sub surface scattering in ryse.I have both systems Infamous does look great but not as good as Ryse anyone with both systems will tell u that if being honest.

So funny Ms says they have DX12 all on this site say it won't help stop talking Ms and show it so what now?should we say Sony it wont help and show us now?Another argument is it's already to the metal only for pc but if sony is doing it oh yeah more power smh.I thought PS4 was already to the metal?So funny half of u guys have no idea what your talking about.First both sytems are coded to the metal problem is it only uses mostly one core why cause programming for years has improved on gpu but never caught up to cpu's especially ones with multiple cores this is a fact.DX12 will allow all cores to share the same workload increasing the power listen if its only using one core how the hell do you think it wont have more power by using all 8 smh.The listing was 3 weeks ago for this job looks like Sony is getting nervous with DX12 coming and are trying to not be left behind when it comes out which is good for all gamers competition brings out the best but lets keep it real if they are just starting on this it will take years not months like you all think to happen.Ms took 4 years to develop DX12 with the help of Nvidia what makes you think sony will do it in less time?also Ps4 is hsa 1.0 where XB1 is full hsa that will make difference also Esram is for tiled resources 6gigs data streamed over 32mb of Esram that is gunna be impossible for sony to do cause they have no esram.Ps4 can do a form of tiled resources but its from software not hardware and if you know anything about programming its much better result if hardware is built for it.Sony should have been doing this long time ago they might try to rush it out but that will be in 2-3 years if they can do it yes it will help duh 1 core vs all is gunna make a difference problem is they don't have the best in the world doing it or the fathers of the api and that they have not begun yet.Now that Sony is doing stop all the dumb arguments of it's already to the metal it wont help obviously u all are wrong cause if not why are Sony trying to copy DX12

[HaydenJameSmith]

First off both games needed trade offs to achieve what they set out to do and personally I think Ryse looks the best and I have played all 3 but Infamous SS and Killzone SF still look really good...

Infamous is not good looking cause of the player poly count anyway, its the lighting, reflections and enviroments that please. Originally Ryse was 150k polys which wud have been higher but they lowered to improve the shaders and the resolution was been rendered at 900p anyway so it would have just been wasted resources... plus the sub surface scattering and techniques like that take up a lot of resources but comparing polygon count (especially with a plain character model like Deslin) doesnt really make the graphics comparable, Ryse just looks better with or without the downgrade... and given that if crytek had more time with Ryse, instead of being rushed to launch id imagine it could have achieved the original design in 1080p too, they have made a lot of optimisations to the Crytek Engine since then...

But all 3 look amazing anyway and I cant wait to see future games... I think the Order 1886 will give Ryse a run for its money though...

@player002

Completely agree and you just beat me to it :P

[Kayant]

@player002

"also Ps4 is hsa 1.0 where XB1 is full hsa that will make difference also Esram is for tiled resources 6gigs data streamed over 32mb of Esram that is gunna be impossible for sony to do cause they have no esram" - Lmaoooo you keep drinking Mistercream/insider's koolaid.

[DigitalRaptor]

"Its already proven by many developers that Ryse is the best looking game on the market"

Is it really? How interesting. I admire your use of facts in that argument, and appreciate the way in which you linked proof. oh wait...
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As I said above:

The only areas that Ryse has either of those games beat it facial details and character animations.

inFamous and Killzone outclass it in every other conceivable respect. The first is open-world with fast, dynamic gameplay, destructibility, insane particle effects, outputting at a higher resolution and running at a higher frame rate. The second has open levels and more details, particle effects, lighting and outputs at a higher resolution and runs at a higher frame rate.

But go on, do show me the evidence that Ryse "beats all". Cause I have an entire thread's worth of data that proves otherwise: http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[HaydenJameSmith]

Im sorry cause a link to website that is completely in favor of the PS4, to a thread that is just pictures of the game and peoples positive opinions towards the game counts as evidence that it beats Ryse... graphically...

Plus his opinion is mostly toward that Ryse is the best looking game, not the best game...

So saying Infamous "is open-world with fast, dynamic gameplay, destructibility, insane particle effects, outputting at a higher resolution and running at a higher frame rate."

First off Ryse isnt open world so saying infamous is doesn't mean anything, dynamic gameplay and destructibility has nothing to do with which game looks best and neither does fps for that matter... yes Infamous has nice particle effects but Ryse is set in 68AD the only particle effects to compare wud be fire which it does a good job at but u cant compare particles of both games... the only thing u have said that is comparable is the res 1080p vs 900p upscalled to 1080p, which is honestly subjective as I do not see a big difference in many of the res differences in multiplat games...(and this is after playing MGS and CoD and BF4 on both consoles) So you have said nothing that puts the arguement in your favor...

This is not a hate piece against any of those games either I have all 3 and think there all great but if i were to say which one is best looking its ryse... and I think the most determining factor is not resolution or polygons or amazing effects (although this does help :P) ... its really the game engine behind each game and what the developers decide to do with the resources at there disposal, that wud be the main contributing factor to which game is the best...

P.S.
I think The Order 1886 will be the most comparable to Ryse... I do not think its fair to compare Ryse, Infamous and Killzone cause Ryse is a linear cinematic action game, Infamous is a Open world action/adventure comic book game and Killzone is a Stealthy First Person Shooter... they are all made by different developer, on different game engines and there exclusive to different consoles... plus 2 of the games are launch games. There is very little to compare with another, which one looks better is completely subjective and a matter of opinion and is like comparing a racing game to a dance game or something stupid like that...

[DigitalRaptor]

Sorry bud, but you can't be using the "NeoGaf is another Sony hive" bulls*t and expect for me to take your comment seriously. There are a number of people on there that dislike Microsoft, but that says nothing about their preference for Sony. Proof? NeoGaf's Top 20 GOTY winners had over double the number Nintendo exclusives than Sony exclusives. http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

NeoGaf are just a bunch of gamers who are switched on to everything this industry is about. And that includes Microsoft's f*ck ups.

So are you kidding me? Even if the site had a preference to PS4, the whole world does right now, so what point are you trying to make? Native in-game screenshots are all the proof you need. A person's preference doesn't somehow remove factual analysis from in-game screenshots.
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To your main point on graphics:

My point was the inFamous is open-world and manages to look better than Ryse in every single regard other than facial detail and animations. An open-world game, with more going on in the environment, and it runs better. So yes, it is the better looking game and better performing game. End of discussion.

Are you seriously trying to say that FPS is not an indicator of which game LOOKS better? Visuals are a combination of stills and motion. A choppy frame-rate looks like crap. The way a game looks includes how it runs in motion. Looking at screenshots is one thing, but PLAYING a game includes how it runs, and Ryse runs like sh*t in a corridor style environment.
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Saying "you can't compare both games" and then agreeing with a defense that Ryse is the best looking game is a paradox. It's a cop out when we clearly know that inFamous looks better than Ryse in almost every regard. A game that runs in a more limited environment SHOULD look better than an open-world game 99% of the time. Ryse doesn't have as many particle effects, so my point was that inFamous has MORE going on, on-screen, it's open-world and STILL manages to look better than Ryse.
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"the only thing u have said that is comparable is the res 1080p vs 900p upscalled to 1080p, which is honestly subjective as I do not see a big difference in many of the res differences in multiplat games...(and this is after playing MGS and CoD and BF4 on both consoles) So you have said nothing that puts the arguement in your favor... "

You have a protective agenda, or you have visual deficiencies.

CoD: http://i.minus.com/iW998p1o...
MGS: http://gamingbolt.com/wp-co... http://gamingbolt.com/wp-co...

[HaydenJameSmith]

You say I have an agenda when I stated that I think its a matter of opinion which is better and I think its subjective... you go around proclaiming fact is its better when you are completely talking out your ass.

And suddenly the whole world of gamers now consists of 12 million people huh ? Even if more people had a preference to PS4 that wouldnt mean anything... both consoles are great, I own both and you say I have an agenda when it appears you are the only one here with an agenda trying to prove that a PS4 game is better than an Xbox One game.... I said that all 3 games i question look great but I think Ryse looks the best and you can disagree with it but u cant say its wrong, u are not the creator of any of these games or even a qualified to either so fuck off telling me Infamous is better "End of Discussion" cause sound like a dick tbh... and factual analysis, where do u get this crap yes websites do analysis of games and how they perform but they dont compare to other games and say well because this one runs better it must actually be better looking... Ryse was a launch window game with very little developer time unlike Infamous so pls stop humiliating urself...

And this talk about FPS is bullshit, u clearly havent played Ryse if u think its FPS is terrible, it max is 30 it avg 27-28 and the min its gone only on minor occasions when there is a lot going on on screen which is bout 18-19fps, but I hadnt even noticed much of a problem when playing the game. And as for that link u provided from cod... cod isnt a flattering game to look at and its still be upscalled on the x1 to 1080p just like MGS and those pictures tbh looked tampered with cause i just booted up both games on ps4 and x1 and I am not seeing that crap u are trying to feed me... tbh those look like ps3 and 360 images...

there nothing paradoxical about saying "I do not think its fair to compare Ryse, Infamous and Killzone", I didnt say "you cant compare both games", and then say I think, which is a personal opinion towards a subjective matter like which of those 3 games looks the best, Ryse looks better...

your the one with the personal agenda and are taking issue with my and other peoples opinions towards which games looks better, I have stated all look great but If i had to pick the best looking it'd be Ryse.... and If I linked you a thread of Ryse and how good that looks with pictures fluttered with positive opinions towards the game in between them doesn't mean I'm right but guess what it doesn't mean your right either...

PS

MS f*** ups ? Since DRM there has been no f*** ups and the fact that you said that shows ur the one with a Sony Agenda...

NeoGaf is definetly biased towards Sony when it comes to MS, I never said it couldn't have xbox fans on it but I have heard from a lot of people who got banned from that site for defending the xbox and even just for owning an xbox and not a PS4.... and the whole world has a preference to sony, man u make me laugh... were about 5 months in and u think everyone who is a gamer has already decided and bought there console of choice... In about a year maybe 2 then we'll see really what gamers prefer but in reality both are great...

[Father__Merrin]

infamous takes a Roman dump on ryse

I dunno why ppl still cling to that falacy

[Sh0ckWav3]

I dont believe this SONY needs to stop talking all that BS nonsence and show some proof..d;)

[larrysdirtydrawss]

sony has been doing this(the order), and sony has been working on making multi-threading/parallel processing EVEN better and more efficient,you think they been sitting around doing nothing all these years..theres nobody better at tools than sony. what ppl are chitting on ms for is being late to the party and having crazy bragging talks about how good dx12 is,''its like getting a new gpu 4 generations ahead'' ect ect... they look silly and fruity

[larrysdirtydrawss]

Father__Merrin + 1h ago

infamous takes a Roman dump on ryse

I dunno why ppl still cling to that falacy

INFAMOUS AND KZSF do,and their not on insane rails with super chitty framerates and next to no physics/interaction in their games

[Stapleface]

Listen to all of the console fan boys becoming graphics whores all of a sudden. I though only pc elitists cared about graphics. I guess that's only the case when console fanboys are not discussing graphics themselves. Console fanboy makes this statement: My games have better graphics than your games because my system is more powerful.= 50 agrees. PC fan makes that statement.=50+ disagrees and now he is an elitist and only elitists care about textures and resolutions. LOL Well, this comment section proves that last part wrong.

edit: I'll be sure to refer back to this comment section with links whenever one of you folks above try to pull that "Only pc elitists care about graphics/resolutions, etc." Because I can remember a few of you previously saying those things before. Nothing like contradicting yourselves, and leaving proof in the comments.

[bornsinner]

i think the nsa want to make sure kinect is in every system... its been hated on so much why else would ms still keep it compulsory? market reasearch fail?

[DivineAssault]

Even more greatness awaits

[player002]

yes awaits for 2-3 more years.good news for gamers but don't expect it anytime soon

[jegheist2014]

if they do this would it be done via software sidel ike update or hardware revisions as in i gotta buy newer model system hopefully software

[truegame]

You guys can fight about which system is the best etc. Both Xbox One and PS4 are good system and will have great up coming games. However, I think second son graphics blows both Killzone and Ryse out of the water.

Take a look at some user photo of the game.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[PhilJowns]

So DirectX 12 was apparently not going to help Xbox One but Sony trying to do the same thing is going to be amazing!

Sorry but I have more faith in MS as a software company being able to make significant improvements.

Also this position has just been advertised and DX12 has been in development for years.

Its good news but don't expect anything quickly.