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Used Game Fees For All?

SMGP | 919d ago
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One of the major points taken from the Xbox One reveal is how the console will handle used games. Although conflicting stories have surfaced, the most prominent rumor is that a user who attempts to play a used disc will have to pay a "fee". This "fee" may or may not be equal to the retail price of the game. If this is true, it will likely be the same on the PS4 as well. Here's why I believe it:

1) If this "fee" applies only to MS published games, it would be far less of an issue than it's being reported as. After all, exclusive games account for less than 10% of total games this generation - next generation will likely be even less.

2) If the "fee" is for all (or most) games (including third party games), it will almost certainly be applied to PS4 games as well. After all, if Activision, EA (or any other publisher) is going to collect a "fee" anytime an Xbox One user installs a pre-owned game, what reason would they have for allowing a PS4 owner to play the exact same used game for free? While some may make the argument that MS makes people pay for what's free elsewhere (Xbox Live), the used game fee would be a publisher revenue, not MS. This would be an entirely different model than Xbox Live, as publishers don't get any of the Xbox Live subscription money.

Who would collect the used game "fee"? If it's an EA game, it's obvious that EA would. After all, they could argue that it's their lost sale. Used game fees for third party games can't be considered an MS revenue stream, because MS would have no claim to attempt to collect a fee for a game that they didn't publish.

Used game fees are clearly publisher driven, as MS or Sony would have little to gain from them (unless the game in question is one of their own exclusives). Therefore, it's only logical that the exact same games will have the exact same policies regardless of what platform they are played on.

There's simply no reason to collect a used game fee on one console but not on another. Any publisher who does that will potentially be sabotaging themselves, as well as the console maker.

Sony has already announced that the PS4 will not block used games, but the fee model would allow that statement to remain true. Unfortunately, it's looking like next generation will be a lot more expensive for consumers.

SilentNegotiator  +   919d ago
No "conflicting stories" of merit.

Microsoft corporate vice president Phil Harrison already confirmed used fees in an interview with Kotaku.
dedicatedtogamers  +   919d ago

I will wait to see if Sony does it. Their only official statement (or was it a rumor) is that they won't require always-online, but they will leave it up to 3rd party devs.

"What does this have to do with used game fees?" Pay attention, friend. The online requirement is how these used fees will be enforced.

My hunch is that some third-party games on PS4 (like EA games and probably Activision games) will have "used game passes" while Sony exclusives and certain partners do not require it. The big question is whether or not games will fully install on the Ps4. People aren't connecting the dots but the full-game installs is why this "used game fee" is in effect. If PS4 requires the disc to be in the drive, then I do not expect "used game fees" to be enforced as heavily, if at all.
DragonKnight  +   919d ago
Their official statement is A)Always-online is NOT a requirement, and B)That 3rd party publisher thing was about blocking used games, and they said that the PS4 will play used games, but the thinking is that online passes will make a return. Also, I doubt Sony is going to have a forced game install as they were given hell for mandatory installs with the PS3.
HammadTheBeast  +   919d ago
By the way Xbox has to install the game onto the HDD to play it, and they've put the used game system in place so "you can't just copy the game infinitely".

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PopRocks359  +   919d ago
Let me just say that I will never support such a model. If the next Valve game/system does it? I'm not buying. If the next Nintendo console does it, I'm not buying. Restrictions like that have no place in this industry and is not deserving of any money.

If all else fails, I'll find another hobby or just stick to older video game consoles until such a model ceases.
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maxgamehard  +   919d ago
Agreed, People shouldn't support any company who pursues anti consumer policies.
jessupj  +   919d ago
Honestly, as an avid Sony fan, you make a far point and it scares me.

The PS4 is looking like the last bastion for core gamers. I love Sony and what they've done for the industry, but if they allow publishers to be little shits and ruin the hobby I love, I'll be forced to only game on the pc.

I hope we get some answers at E3
coolbeans  +   919d ago
It's almost too surreal to think of when EA announced the death of the online pass so many anticipated what dreadful idea would be enforced in place of that tactic.

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JGaLaXY815  +   919d ago
I was gonna say that same thing "Hey guys, great news...No more online pass" *EA thinks* "Now we have a better way to get MORE MONEY OFF YOU..." AND THEY WONDER WHY THEY ARE THE MOST HATED
s45gr32  +   919d ago
I guess PC gaming is the better option and for once I was hoping Microsoft would turn for the better instead it wants more money. This used game fee may spread to PS4 if it succeeds on xbox one (one box for all your entertainment needs by draining your wallet daily)
Qrphe  +   919d ago
What if the model passes onto PC gaming? See, I can play the if game as well.
s45gr32  +   918d ago
I doubt it PC gamers are more vocal and have proven that they will not put up with bs crap. Like Microsoft tried it's hardest to maintain GFWL as a paid service it failed games for windows live is free. DlC content on PC gets discounts and most of the time is free. My point is that is harder for a game developer to shove crap onto PC gamers. No online passes, mmo games are free to play now. ....
turnerdc  +   919d ago
Both Microsoft and Sony haven't given completely clear answers on used games. Times are changing and I think they will both handle used games differently to how they're handled today. Whether Xbox One and PS4 will take similar or radically different approaches though is yet to be seen.

""It's a massively important issue and I understand why it's one that keeps coming up and will keep coming up, because people want to know what the exact stance is," Denny said.

"In relation to points like that, of course we're mindful of what the game development community wants and what the wider industry issues are with those things. I think in good time that will become clearer," he added.

Denny did not provide a simple yes or no answer, but said Sony will do right by developers and consumers alike.

"It's not something that I feel I have any further announcement or comment to make on, other than to acknowledge with you that it's a massively important issue and of course we are going to do the right thing," he said.

Sony president of Worldwide Studios Shuhei Yoshida last week confirmed that used games will play on the PlayStation 4. However, it was not made clear if users would have full access to secondhand titles or if they would need to pay to activate the game as a second owner.

"When you purchase the disc-based games on PS4, it should work on any hardware. So that's what I'm saying," Yoshida said at the time."

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