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(Parody) No BC: Why I Refused to Buy SNES, N64, the Gamecube, and Now PS4

I am absolutely outraged. Appalled! Another system has chosen to not have Backwards Compatibility. That is completely unacceptable and practically unheard of!

The PlayStation 4 will not be playing copies of previous Playstation games. They make excuse after excuse, but we know better than the developers of the system, am I right!? A Ps3 chip would probably only cost them 3 cents to include, but they have the gall to pretend as if it would be some sort of expense that might raise the price of the system! And software BC....don't get me started! How could they not include software BC? They claim that it's because the hardware architecture is different, but how could that get in the way? We already have emulators running Ps3 on PC at an entire 3 frames per second! How could Sony not get a conflicting design to work on a system AN ENTIRE SINGLE GENERATION after it? And why not Ps1 and Ps2 games? Software emulation would take absolutely no effort! I mean, look at the Xbox 360...all of the original Xbox games could be played on day 1!

Needless to say, this makes Ps4 completely worthless in my eyes. When the Sony Gestapo breaks down my door and takes away my Ps3, what will I even do? It's not like new ps1s were around until 2006, or ps2s through 2012, or anything like that; Once the generation is done, Sony drops console support like a ton of bricks! If my Ps3 dies, ever other ps3 in the world will also be dead and my ps3 games will be paperweights for eternity!

This is really going to get in the way of Sony selling systems. I didn't buy SNES, N64, or Gamecube for this exact reason. Nintendo trying to con us into buying new games with "Super" at the beginning of the title was a sickening tactic. Playing Super Mario 64 at the local electronics retailer left a disgusting taste in my mouth as the realization that I could only play Super Mario World on the system it was intended for boiled in my mind. Luigi's Mansion made me wonder if Luigi was searching for the lost spirits of N64 games and Pikmin was a cruel collection of the drooling, lemming fools that would buy a system without BC.

I can't believe we even have to discuss this subject. Sony is simply wrong. I never have and never will buy a games console that doesn't play old games! SHAME! Shame on you, Sony!

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SilentNegotiator1165d ago

Don't get me wrong; I'm not happy that Ps4 won't have BC. I'm disappointed. But the backlash has been completely disproportionate when the explanation is so simple (and it isn't something new for systems to not have BC):

1) A Ps3 chip would cost considerable money and the price barrier was an issue for Ps3.
2) Software BC would be very difficult to impossible with the architectures being so different.

We could go back to the cell and have unhappy developers. Or have a more expensive system. Either way having less developer support. Do either of those sound appealing to you just for BC? Or can we move on?

GalacticEmpire1165d ago (Edited 1165d ago )

Brilliant! Laughed all the way through.

"When the Sony Gestapo breaks down my door and takes away my Ps3, what will I even do?"

HAHAHA! Didn't you know, all PS3s have a proximity sensor built in so when you take home a PS4 they will self destruct.

I'm with you that BC would have been nice but, since it's being used a weapon in the MS fanboy arsenal, it is being greatly exaggerated.

SilentNegotiator1165d ago

Fanboys looking for a weak spot is definitely a part of it, but there are a lot of people that just don't seem to get it; the barriers preventing Ps4 from BC (unfortunately) make complete sense. You can't have BC forever with changing hardware. And that didn't make SNES, N64, or Gamecube bad systems and won't make Ps4 a bad system. Yes, N64 and Gamecube had subpar sales, but I guarantee that had nothing to do with not having BC (ps1 didn't have BC, either, since PS was a new brand - didn't stop it from outselling the N64 by a mile).

Ducky1165d ago (Edited 1165d ago )

^ Are you still making a parody or were you actually serious with those last few points?

PS1 didn't have BC, but it outsold the N64, another console without BC.
In that case, BC wouldn't have made a difference because none of the competitors have it either.
The same holds true for the systems before it.

GameCube used discs, the N64 didn't. BC wouldn't really work there either.

GalacticEmpire1165d ago

@Ducky

"PS1 didn't have BC"

Actually PS1 could play every single previous Playstation game :P

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GalacticEmpire1165d ago (Edited 1165d ago )

@DK

Guess you decided to miss the bit of my comment that said "BC would have been nice". Nobody is denying that it wouldn't be a good feature, quite frankly I don't know why you jumped to that conclusion. Almost sounds like you're afraid to lose that point as an argument in favor of your own agenda.

I agree with the "one model with it and another without it" solution, but then it may take development/research time and money away from making the console as good as it can possibly be, which I'd rather see happen.

ZombieNinjaPanda1165d ago

@GalacticEmpire

"It might take development time away from making the console good"

Do you honestly believe this? Do you honestly believe there's just one person working on these consoles, and for him to focus on another feature would stop it from being good? And to focus on another thing, you honestly think that not adding BC would keep it good?

I understand that you said it would be a nice feature to have, but your apathy towards it makes me think otherwise. Backwards Compatibility is a feature that should be becoming a standard, not an exception. And many gamers lately have been f***ing over the rest of us because they're so damn complacent with accepting everything their favorite companies do. Instead of demanding that they get the best for their moneys worth, they're allowing companies to enact DRM, remove features, and treat them like crap.

lex-10201165d ago

@DK

While you make some good points let me point out some more.

PS2 VS. Gamecube. Everyone know the PS2 was going to be a better console, and was priced at roughly the same price. It had the best game to. How many people actually bought a PS2 and played PS1 games on it? Probably not many.

GBA/GBC- First, and at the time, only Handheld gaming market. Plus Nintendo had an outstanding reputation at the time.

DS- Same as above, the PSP came out but cost to much money for a handheld.

PS1- Why is this even in here? We are comparing consoles with backwards comparability.

Xbox360- I will admit BC probably helped this, but I think the fact that the jump in graphics was so intense no one cared.

PS3- The PS3 sold more consoles immediately after they dropped BC in favor of a more reasonable price.

Maybe it was just a coincidence. Idk, it might be it might not be. But when ever you post statistics you need to post all the information about them.

shadow27971165d ago

"GameCube used discs, the N64 didn't. BC wouldn't really work there either. "

PS3 used Cell, PS4 doesn't. BC wouldn't really work there either.

Less obvious to the consumer, maybe, but still a legitimate reason to not include it.

Although I would like at least PS1 games to be supported. PSP and Vita both do software emulation of those just fine. There's also plenty of PS1 games on the PS Store. Seems strange.

PS2 games would also be nice, but more understandable than the exclusion of PS1 games.

And before anyone asks, I played a lot of PS1 and PS2 games the first year I had a PS3. I still have a few I'd like to play. No BC isn't a deal breaker for me though.

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ZombieNinjaPanda1165d ago

The argument for the other systems can be seen that their formats are completely different (Save for the SNES and Nes). What's the defense for the other ones?

dontbhatin1165d ago (Edited 1165d ago )

UHHH the architecture? DUH!

And regarding your comment about BC becoming a standard?? Really? LMAO!!!

ZombieNinjaPanda1165d ago

^^^

This is why we can't have nice things. Because you're complacent with having features removed. The architecture for the Wii is different than the Gamecube, yet it plays Gamecube games. The architecture for the DS is different compared to GBA and Gameboy yet guess what, it plays those. The architecture for the PS2 is different compared to Ps1 and PS3. Yet The ps3 (old ones before sony became cheapasses) played Ps2 and ps1 games.

I don't understand why people like you want these features removed. I have been able to play a ton of my PS2 games that are scratched up on my PS3. Thanks to people like you, I may have never been able to do that on the Ps3 because you're perfectly fine with them removing these features.

dontbhatin1164d ago (Edited 1164d ago )

I never said at all that i ever wanted it removed, or said I'm perfectly fine with it....

I would love it if it had backwards compatibility. but guess what....its not happening.(at least not until Gaikai figures out how to do it)

So quit crying over spilled milk! If you really want to play your old games so bad, then what's the harm in playing your old games on the system they were made for?? I understand your laziness on having to power on a different system, but seriously? I don't see how blaming somebody being optimistic about the whole situation as the one who caused BC to not be on the PS4 I still have my PS1, PS2, PSP, PSV, and my PS3 and I always will have them. if one breaks, then I'll buy another one for dirt cheap!

Quit being so pessimistic about everything and grow up....

wishingW3L1165d ago

it's not new for a car to not have A/C but who will buy a car without A/C these days? The only way would be if there is no other options like it's happening here. There is no BC and that's the end of it, there is no other choice.

And how do you know that putting the Cell would cost considerable money? Right now the PS3 costs $300 and Sony are making a profit off it. The system has really expensive Rambus ram memory, blue-tooth, blu-ray drive (which are still pretty pricey), GPU, HDD and the rest of the components of the motherboard like the IOH. BUT in reality the Cell in its state and based on the fact that the PS3 is profitable means that the Cell can't cost more than $40 to make.

And beside, Sony could just always either use the parts necessary for the emulation or just make the transistors smaller! Or even better... Just make a SKU with BC and one without it. What is the excuse here? Is not like they aren't going to sell a premium sku that will be like $100 more expensive just because it comes with bigger HDD or something. Well instead of bigger HDD I bet many people would pay more for a SKU with BC.

If there is no BC on the PS4 is because Sony learned that people are dumb enough to buy the same old games over and over again.

SilentNegotiator1165d ago (Edited 1165d ago )

You really just compared A/C to BC? Talk about trying too hard.

You don't design cars to work with any and all old parts.

Alos881165d ago

An amusing read, I like it!

specialagent45321165d ago

What about the psn account if I create a new account for PS4. Will I be able to keep my trophies, psn friends ids, psn games like the last guy, the movies and shows a gamer bought on psn video store (I lost all my PSN movies and shows due to I saved them on an external hard drive). If I can keep all of that for the PS4 that's cool if not well it proves how stone age and greedy console makers are.

GalacticEmpire1165d ago (Edited 1165d ago )

You won't need to create a new account, you use your existing one.

I'm fairly sure movies/music and other media will be compatible with the PS4, only games will be affected.

Also the PSN will still remember which games you bought so, if in the future, a solution to BC (like Gaikai) is put in place, you may get your games again for free.

http://www.polygon.com/2013...

zerocrossing1165d ago (Edited 1165d ago )

I'm in a rather unique situation here, I have a dead PS3 and a whole bunch of games I haven't played or finished yet, I can either buy a PS4 and forget about my old games I paid hard cash for or I can by a PS3 and play them.

Since I don't have the luxury of buying both a PS4 and PS3, BC would have been a very nice inclusion. I still think they could have included it using an emulating method like the 360 had, that way the differing architecture wouldn't have been as big of an issue.

shadow27971165d ago

You could also pay $150 to have your PS3 fixed if it's out of warranty. That's probably less than the premium you would pay to get a PS4 with BC.

Or just wait on the PS4 until it comes down in price, since you have a whole bunch of games to play.

Is it more inconvenient? Sure. But it's hardly a problem that's impossible to solve.

Deadpool6161165d ago (Edited 1165d ago )

zerocrossing, I suggest you buy another PS3 (something I had to do) and just wait out PS4.

Look at this way, remember when this gen started, and companies were still making ports for PS2? Well that's likely to happen with PS3 games as well. The PS3 games will only lack specific PS4 features and visuals, but who knows how much of a difference PS4 games are going to be? You might be purchasing additional stuff you don't even need to enjoy the game.

Not to say the PS4 won't be worth it, because I haven't a clue. I suggest you don't make the jump until the PS4 has proven it's worth in value, and in quality. There could be reliability issues with next gen consoles, from cutting corners or just rushing to get it on shelves. Hopefully that will not be repeated.

Axecution1165d ago (Edited 1165d ago )

You can give a million legitimate reasons explaining the logic of why the PS4 doesn't have backwards compatibility (kind of comedically while we dont even know how the Gaikai BC will work) and why its a good thing on so many other levels.

But, like a one-track-minded old person everybody's just gonna keep saying THIS IS BS Y CANT IT PLAY LAST GEN STUFF ITS NEXT GEN. ...and they'll never learn. Till Uncharted 4 comes out and they stop caring.

kayoss1164d ago

Did you forget that ps3 architecture is much different then the ps4? They clearly explain why the couldn't do BC. Ps3 uses a cell architecture where as the ps4 uses the x86 so just putting in a " ps3 chip" is not as easy as you think. Maybe read up on the facts and reasons why before ranting.

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dedicatedtogamers1165d ago

Hahaha! Very funny. I've never understood why people REQUIRE backwards compatibility since it has never been a common feature in game consoles. And I laugh every time someone acts as though adding one more console to their entertainment center is going to be a huge hassle. Is a PS4 really going to crowd up your cardboard-box apartment if you sit it next to the PS3? Really?

MonkeyNinja1165d ago

+ Well Said Bubble for having common sense! Totally agree.

maniacmayhem1165d ago

Yes Dedicated, yes it will. Cable Box, Surround sound center speaker, Sensor bar, 360, Ps3, Wii and now a PS4??

Way too crowded.

I guess I could move into a fabulous huge mansion with acres of theater space and line up all my consoles, plus my NES, Dreamcast and SNES in a neat row under my personal Imax screen. No problem at all.

BC may not be very important to some but it is to others and I feel a lot of these comments have the whole "Deal with It" attitude that everyone bashed Orth about.

dedicatedtogamers1165d ago

Simple solution: don't have all your systems hooked up. I have a dozen consoles and hundreds of games. 80% are stored away safely. Reduces clutter, reduces dust getting in them, reduces the behind-the-TV wire tangle. The only downside is - oh the horror! - sometimes I have to spend 90 seconds taking a system from the closet and plugging it in.

specialagent45321165d ago

Why must I create a new account for the PS4 and if this new account will replace my old account. If it replaces it bye bye PSN digital data.

maniacmayhem1165d ago

That's you, but it isn't everyone. 90 seconds or 90 minutes it would be much easier if the system did it all. I like to call this concept "convenience".

I don't have the storage space to just take out an old system and hook all to a router or back of the TV. And usually once I put something in an external storage, that is it, it is forgotten.

With a lot of the better games still to come for the PS3/360 it would be nice to see the next systems have BC. I personally still haven't played or finished a lot of back catalog games that I want too.

My point is BC should be a welcome addition. It's obvious that there is a fanbase for it with the back catalog of games that each system resells digitally on their stores.

dedicatedtogamers1165d ago

"My point is BC should be a welcome addition."

100% agreement. I'm not AGAINST BC. I just take it if it's offered, and let it go if it's not. Some people (not yourself, necessarily) act as if a lack of BC is some kind of system-killing dealbreaker.

"It's obvious that there is a fanbase for it with the back catalog of games that each system resells digitally on their stores."

True, but untrue. If I could get...let's say...a copy of Xenogears around the same price PSN sells it for ($9.99), which I can't, but let's just say I could. I still would buy the digital copy. More convenient, more scratch-resistant, able to be played on either console (PS3) or handheld (PSP,PSVita). But that's an old game. If we're talking about BC for games just one generation back, then it's a bit more understandable. In my opinion, the older a game gets, the more convenient it is to offer a digital version and/or an HD remix on the current hardware.

lex-10201165d ago

People require BC because they grew up in this generation. They never played the SNES, or the NES. They don't understand that BC is a really new concept. Just like HD graphics. People think that if something doesn't have amazing graphics it can't be good. They grew up in this generation and don't know anything else.

TechnicianTed1165d ago

BC isn't a new concept, Atari used it in the 80's.

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MonkeyNinja1165d ago (Edited 1165d ago )

Awesome article. I think backwards compatibility is something that many fanboys want, but very few actually use. I had PS2, and played a few PSone games on it, had original BC PS3, played a few PS2 games on it. I don't think it's worth implementing, but that's just my opinion.

Bladesfist1165d ago (Edited 1165d ago )

I have limited desk space because of my multi monitor setup. I play a lot of old games on my PC. It would be very convenient to have backwards compatibility. I can't imagine having to gather my previous PCs and set them up everytime I wanted to play an older game.

SilentNegotiator1165d ago (Edited 1165d ago )

Old PC games sometimes need emulators (and/or unofficial patches) to work on modern PCs, however. I don't have my SNES or N64 on the shelf anymore; it's packaged up and I have an emulator with all of my games DL'd.

I have 6th gen and beyond systems hooked up, but the gamecube and ps2 have pretty decent emulators now.

There's no need to have all that many consoles hooked up either, unless you're the AVGN.

JohnDread1165d ago

Good thing you marked the post as a parody in the title man. Best way to avoid shitstorms nowadays.