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Negative Nintendo Circle Jerk

MacDonagh | 757d ago
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As I barely get much sleep anymore, I decided to kill some time on N4G and see what's the latest news. Lo and behold, another negative Nintendo circle jerk over the claims that the CPU and GPU for the Wii U are inferior to the PS3 and the 360. The negativity surrounding the Wii U is galling to say the least, especially since it's only been recently released. It's interesting to see the various responses and leaps of logic that tend to take place when people completely dismiss the Wii U out of hand for being an inferior console. So let me get one thing off my chest and be done with it.

As a gamer, the first console I bought during this gen was the Xbox 360, due to my brief infatuation with first-person shooters at the time. At the time, I was a huge fan of the Rainbow Six series and I believed that the first person genre would expand the horizons of gaming and usher in a golden age of gaming. I was convinced of this, due to having a genuinely great time with various games like Metroid Prime on the Gamecube and the tactical gameplay of Rainbow Six:Black Arrow on the Xbox. I remember getting the 20 GB version and looking forward to the great games that would eventually come from the FPS genre and the various other great titles like Oblivion for instance. It was good for a time, until my 360 broke down. Five times.

Eventually, I got utterly sick of shooters and wanted to explore new places. Thankfully, Microsoft allowed for an indie marketplace were you could find a rare gem in amongst the chaff in the shape of Apple Jack, which took some inspiration from earlier Mario games or Aban Hawkins and the 1000 Spikes, a hard as nails 8bit platformer and one of the best experiences that I've ever had on a console. Nowadays, the XBLA indie marketplace is hidden into the background, but there is always something interesting or new to look at. So, while I believe that Microsoft should be commended for even having one. I just wished that they promoted it a little more because there are some outstanding games on there that may have flown underneath the radar of a lot of gamers.

Eventually, I would get a PS3. When they released their console for the first time, there was no way that I could possibly afford such a machine that cost far too much, for what I perceived was a terrible line-up of launch titles. Play Genji: Days of the Blade for an example of a poor launch title, but of course, it's true that at most consoles' inception, the games aren't going to be up to scratch. Eventually I would get one when the price dropped to a much more acceptable level and I would enjoy the various games that came out from it. Little Big Planet, the Uncharted series, the Yakuza games, White Knights Chronicles 1 and 2, 3D Dot Game Heroes and a multitude of other good games. The Blu-Ray player in mine isn't exactly working as well as it should, but if the games work, that's all that matters to me.

I missed out on the Wii because of the scarcity of it during the time it outsold it's competitors with ease. For a console that was completely dismissed by gaming press and gamers alike, it did quite well in introducing a completely new market to video games and getting them actively involved in playing them. Having played some games on it and being pleasantly surprised by how much I liked playing it, I came to a sad realization. It wasn't Nintendo that abandoned the hardcore audience to pander to the prospective new casual audience. It was the hardcore audience that abandoned Nintendo to satisfy their lust for cutting-edge graphics, which the PC master race have all been accustomed to for some time.

Nintendo make games for people of all ages and that's something that should be encouraged, not looked down upon with contempt. So what if Nintendo makes games that a kid can play? COD has a lot of children playing it, yet it's a "mature" game. Kids will play anything that is in front of them and it's a trashy argument. It should be also noted that the kids are the future of the gaming industry, the future consumers, developers, programmers, artists and they will soon inherit it while the rest of us become worm food and disappear from this plane of existence. If Nintendo are doing anything right, they are at least attempting to secure their future and there is nothing wrong with that.

You can hate on the Nintendo Wii all you want but you cannot deny that they changed the face of gaming by introducing a previously unknown market to video games. Microsoft and Sony were only all too willing to attempt to capitalize on this new emerging market with their peripherals, Kinect and Playstation Move.

Yet again, here we are. People lambasting Nintendo for not directly competing with Microsoft and Sony. Why should they? Due to the continual rising cost of making games and companies such as THQ, Sega, EA all suffering from their reckless business practices, Nintendo's practices make far more sense than throwing money to make a bleeding-edge console.

That's all this generation is really. Specs. Never mind that there are a lot of people who don't know what they are talking about. I saw one person on NeoGaf claim that the Xenon CPU was considered sh*t by developers in 2005. I'm not going to lie and say that I know a lot about computers. I don't but when I see someone misrepresenting the actual truth, I cannot stand idly by and keep quiet. Slower clock speeds mean little if the architecture is solid but people are very quick to forget that and demand that new consoles to be as powerful as gaming PCs which is completely idiotic and foolish. Ask Sony how they are doing and tell me that it was worth it.

If the Wii U can do comparable versions of the latest games like AC3 and Blops 2, I have no fear for the future of the Wii U. Imagine if a team actually were able to get to grips with it and fully push the Wii U to it's potential. You lot can continually belittle and chastise Nintendo for being a business or you can actually admire the fact that they are still able to turn a profit in an increasingly hostile marketplace.

Better yet, if you actually care so much about graphics, how about you go out and buy/build your own gaming rig? If there is any truth in all this, being a PC gamer is where it's at right now, with the myriad of customizable options you can go with, the Steam library and the graphic intensive gaming that goes along with it.

Consoles aren't meant to be able to compete with gaming rigs but to provide an experience that is affordable to the greater public. Deal with it.

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Godmars290  +   757d ago
"Consoles aren't meant to be able to compete with gaming rigs but to provide an experience that is affordable to the greater public."

I don't think that's been understood since MS and Sony announced the PS3 and 360. Which means they didn't get it well before the systems were announced.
dedicatedtogamers  +   753d ago
I think the negativity surrounding the WiiU is simply a symptom of something bigger, not a root problem. The same sort of hate, doubt, and disbelief was there for the Wii's launch and the DS's launch as well, or are people's memories so limited?

The difference is that - with the Wii and the DS - there was a bit of wonder and excitement, even amongst the hardest of hardcore gamers. We wondered "okay, WHAT exactly is Nintendo going to do with this?" Both systems were very different.

This time around with the WiiU, that sense of wonder is gone. We've seen tablet gaming. We've seen two-screen gaming. The WiiU may be different than what a console has done in the past, but it's nothing new or surprising. I think THAT is where a lot of the misguided hate is coming from. People aren't seeing the same sort of creativity and passion that Nintendo had with the DS and Wii.
Godmars290  +   753d ago
Don't forget the PS3's as well. And even if the 360 was "easier to program for" with still existing examples like the Skyrim DLC, that's developers failing to adapt and work with the hardware they're suppose to be working with. Even the PC-port friendly Xbox isn't immune from that, as it and all consoles have caught flack for being underpowered.

And it kind of pisses me off that said complaints more than often come from guys like Id and Epic - who were originally PC-only devs.

Its their mentality that's poisoned the console community in general. The WiiU is yet on the radar in that regard, even though that's why its largely coming under fire.
GenoZStriker  +   757d ago
To be honest. No one is doing each other any favors. Boasting about the Wii U being more powerful than 6 year old consoles is just as dumb as people claiming the Wii U is not as powerful as PS3/Xbox 360. While I do blame most journalist posting here and N4G and looking for hits by inciting this, both side need to stop being stupid to help the cause or nothing is ever going to change.

Also, do you part. Don't argue with trolls, report comments, disagree, give negative bubble and give sites looking for hits low quality ranking for inciting flame wars.

Anyways, +1 approve on blog
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smashcrashbash  +   756d ago
Ummmm. yeah. Every system goes through this. Why does everyone always seem to think Nintendo is the only one who has ever had negative things said about them. Every time anyone says anything negative about Nintendo people have to write whole essays about how we should leave them alone. The PS3 got hit from all sides by basically everyone except the people who brought one and even they complained. The Wii U is a new console. It taking the same beating every new console has gotten since decades ago.Why does it deserve better treatment because people say so?

The next PlayStation and Xbox will get exactly the same treatment especially the next PlayStation. Everything from the games, to the specs, to the graphics to the controller, to if PSN is still free. What you see happening with the Wii and Wii U is the same thing that many consoles went through whether they failed or succeeded. Several people thought the PS1 was going to fail and many Nintendo people thought so too.But it didn't. So no offense but I really don't understand what is the constant crying that everyone picks on Nintendo. The very people who say that are usually first in line to jeer at the other consoles when they first are released and then get upset when it is done back to them.

No one HAS to admire Nintendo for anything. Many people hate then fact that Nintendo brought motion controls the party and the fact that others tried to follow it.Even Nintendo started to run out of ideas early on how to use the Wiimote for anything useful (which is standard for Nintendo's gimmicks since they started in the gaming industry). So don't give me that we should admire Nintendo because they found a way to save themselves from obscurity from back then.That is like the people who admire Microsoft for slithering out of the responsibility of giving you a broken console. I came here for the games and not how much money everyone is making. And frankly Nintendo's games have slowly gone down in quality.But people are always to busy quoting how much money Nintendo is making or what geniuses they are to notice.
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Ducky  +   756d ago
Congratulations, in a blog defending Nintendo, you managed to pretend that Sony is the real victim.
DragonKnight  +   756d ago
I don't know, the comment mentioned Nintendo a lot more than Sony and only used Sony as a comparison. It's not like he said anything incorrect either.
Ducky  +   756d ago
^ Perhaps I was a bit rash, but look at the second paragraph. He's already convinced that the next playstation will undeservedly be targetted in particular. He's singled them out as a victim, for whatever reason... then goes on to bash Nintendo in the third paragraph, as if they deserve it.

His comment's statements aren't inherently wrong, but they don't address the blog either. The blog is not saying that Nintendo is the only one that gets negativity. Nor is the blog saying that Nintendo should be admired by everyone. MacDonagh is mostly just addressing a few complaints that people have towards Nintendo.

Smash is the kind of guy who should be familiar with new systems/IP being treated unfairly. He usually tries to urge people to grow up and to realize that judging something quickly is foolish and that people should give something a chance before criticizing it (like the Vita). I usually agree with him in the regard, since history shows that more often than not, the haters end up being in the wrong.

Looks like he defected from that belief when Nintendo is mentioned.
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MaxXAttaxX  +   755d ago
Sony said the PS4 would "definitely be more powerful than the Wii U".
However we don't know anything from Microsoft about the next Xbox in that regard.

Mystery solved. Let it go.
lilbroRx  +   753d ago
No one has ever argued that Nintendo has been the only one who has had negative things said about them as simply having negative things said about them is not nor has it ever been the issue.

The issue is the acute, ongoing focus and obsession with every shred of negative information, no matter how farfetched or unlikely valid, that has been directed at Nintendo since the Wii was announced.

People completely ignore all good news, promote all bad rumors and when there is a range of possibilities, they always jump to the worst possible conclusions then focus on them while ignoring all else.

Its sad too see so many people promote your attempt to generalize the issue down and then spin it to make Sony the victim, then go into some good old Nintendo bashing/hate. It shows just how thick the anti-Nintendo crowd is and just how much more negativity is directed at Nintendo is.
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SilentNegotiator  +   756d ago
People are disappointed with the Wii U? You must be devastated. I'm sorry for your loss.

People aren't happy with the Wii U only being slightly more powerful than the current consoles. No one is asking for a "bleeding edge" console....they're looking for something that will take over and advance gaming. Deal with it. What an immature thing to write.

And maybe you've been too busy being condescending and a hypocritical hateful person to notice, but developers are sick of current gen limits. DICE said the system will be bad for third party support in the near future.

They know the specs....YOU DO NOT. YOU are an angry fanatic calling reaction to a system a "circle jerk". Game developers are full of professionals that create games for a living for several pieces of hardware.
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DragonKnight  +   756d ago
I didn't see him being condescending or a hypocritical/hateful person. Care to elaborate?
MacDonagh  +   756d ago
@Silent Negotiator " People are disappointed with the Wii U? You must be devastated. I'm sorry for your loss."

I'm not devastated or disappointed by the Wii U's specs. I'm just surprised that anyone would be, considering previous Nintendo iterations. I will give it a chance, unlike some people here.

"People aren't happy with the Wii U only being slightly more powerful than the current consoles. No one is asking for a "bleeding edge" console....they're looking for something that will take over and advance gaming. Deal with it. What an immature thing to write."

People should also realise that Nintendo are merely following their own core philosophy. Gunpei Yokoi, inventor of the Game Boy and the D-pad that is used in all modern controllers today had a philosophy which he termed "Lateral Thinking with Withered Technology." This means that by using cheap and well-understood old tech and re-using it in a radical different way, it would attract new consumers. An example of this would be the DS for instance, which used old touchscreen tech or the Wii which was graphically inferior to it's competitors and primarily used the Wii's peripherals, focusing on motion control as it's selling point. He also believed that cutting edge technology did not need to be necessary; fun and gameplay is more important and it's abundantly clear that the Wii U still follows this philosophy and attempts to advance gaming as a fun and interactive experience.

"And maybe you've been too busy being condescending and a hypocritical hateful person to notice, but developers are sick of current gen limits. DICE said the system will be bad for third party support in the near future."

Hypocritical hateful person? How immature. DICE say what their paymasters (EA) want them to, considering the obscene cost of game development, the next gen couldn't come any quicker for them because it would mean more investment from their parent company. Third party support may be lacking as it seems to be always the case when it comes to Nintendo, but there is a plethora of indie developers that are waiting in the wings to present their games to a new market.

"They know the specs....YOU DO NOT. YOU are an angry fanatic calling reaction to a system a "circle jerk". Game developers are full of professionals that create games for a living for several pieces of hardware."

I know a circle jerk when I see it. I also know Nintendo's core philosophy when it comes to making consoles. Their focus on "gimmicks" causes a divergence from Sony and Microsoft to appeal to consumers, as they can't compete with either when it comes the level of investment needed to develop a PS3 for instance. You're going to be sorely disappointed when the next E3 comes around and both Sony and Microsoft unveil Duelshock/Move and Kinect 2.0, along with consoles that will not be a huge leap compared to the current gen.

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SilentNegotiator  +   755d ago
You want a "circle jerk"? Try the pitiful 'armchair professional' fanboys who think they know better than actual developers.
Theyellowflash30  +   752d ago
@SilentNegotiator

If you think Sony and Microsoft are going to release a console that is so powerful it makes the Wii U look like the Wii compared to the PS3, your in for a big disappointment.

The cost of developing games has grown out of proportion. Developers will go to Wii for 3 Reasons

1. Easy to develop for
2. Cheaper to Developer for
3. Unique Gamepad that opens all sorts of gameplay options.

- I really don't care about DICE. The just make Battlefield. A shooter than can easily be replicated on a PS2 and Xbox gameplay wise. There worried about graphics. Because they make shooters.

- You think Super Smash Bros Brawl, The Legend of Zelda, Mario Kart, or Super Mario Galaxy are going to be held back by the Wii U's hardware? I think not.

- The Wii U will be fine. If you don't like it or don't want one fine. But to sit here and negatively comment on every single post about the Wii U with the notion your are not bias is false.
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majiebeast  +   756d ago
People are dissapointed at the specs because they are barely above/below 6 year old console's specs. More power isnt just better graphics, its also for example better physics and better AI.
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pixelsword  +   756d ago
I don't know if this is the proper place to say this, but if the people who are complaining about the outrageous treatment about the Wii U who claim to be "true gamers" equally complained bout the PS3 console/game bashing that occurred even before the PS3 came out until this day maybe I could feel a little more empathy for the Wii U and would be a bit more vocal myself since I am also a fan of Nintendo. Still being a PC/PS3/360/Nintendo fan I now do defend certain things for a while, but mostly I now take the opinion that it's the corporation's and developer's responsibility to defend their games, and it's the games' responsibility to float or sink on it's own merit.

I written an article about Nintendo, but not of the Wii U, because I will not attempt to press my opinion upon others. I have also said to give Nintendo time to prove themselves, like I did with the 360 and the PS3, respectively.

I don't hate any of the consoles, but I don't give them much slack, either; I have kicked the PS3, 360, PC, and the Wii. Go through my comments, you'll see me recently giving the PS3 a little kick where I think it needs it.

When the Wii U puts forth a game or note, then from that game forward will my opinion of the console be shaped.

Not by ratings,

Not by opinion articles,

Not by gonzo web journalists.
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MacDonagh  +   756d ago
"I don't know if this is the proper place to say this, but if the people who are complaining about the outrageous treatment about the Wii U who claim to be "true gamers" equally complained bout the PS3 console/game bashing that occurred even before the PS3 came out until this day maybe I could feel a little more empathy for the Wii U and would be a bit more vocal myself since I am also a fan of Nintendo."

The problem that I had with the PS3 when it first launched was that it was far too expensive for me or the average consumer. When I looked up how expensive it was to make, I was stunned to learn that the combined materials and manufacturing costs for PlayStation 3 was $806 for the model with a 20GB hard drive. This excluded the cost of the controller, cables, and packaging. For the $499 20 GB PS3, Sony took a loss of about $307 on each console they sold. For the $599 60GB model, they lost an estimated $241.

Thankfully, they've been able to turn a profit, thanks to some through cost-cutting and competitive deals but at the time, I couldn't justify buying one. The "no games" tag was truthful to some extent, as it took a little while for momentum to start going for Sony, but they got through it and I hope that they've learnt some lessons for the next gen and to not be so insane as to price out their fanbase.

Also, I agree on your principles about not giving any console much slack. I've criticized the big 3 for their faults. The PS3, for the PSN hacking debacle, lack of b/c (understandable in terms of cutting costs), Home, poor ports, more specifically, Bugthesda's disgraceful treatment of PS3 Skyrim fans, with the constant patches and the forever-delayed Dawnguard add-on. XBOX 360 had an unacceptable failure rate, Kinect, DLC exclusivity, forcing players to pay a subscription fee for online playing, apps that I didn't need or care for like IE for instance. The Wii's lack of 3rd party support has been with Nintendo since the Nintendo64, friend-codes were annoying and the online was spotty at best.

No console is above criticism and neither is the Wii U. I just think people should have realised by now that Nintendo's core philosophy is completely different from Sony or Microsoft. Criticizing a Nintendo console for it's CPU and GPU is completely missing the point of a Nintendo console; which is to provide a fun experience to it's consumer. Nintendo don't go for raw graphical power and they never will, unless it's affordable and can be taken in a different direction.
wishingW3L  +   756d ago
every console gets its fare share of hate. Wii U hate is not even half as big as the Vita fanbase of haters let alone the PS3 hate in its early days (when it had no gamez even though it shared the same multiplats and many more exclusives than the Xbox) but nobody's writing blogs to whine about it.
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jeeves86  +   755d ago
Not anymore...
Valenka  +   756d ago
I didn't really need to have the thought of a circle jerk in my head at 8 o'clock in the morning. On top of that, I'm not quite sure what you're on about in this blog. :-/
ZombieNinjaPanda  +   756d ago
Thinking of the wrong type of Circle Jerk Velenka.
ActiveRespawn  +   756d ago
The problem I have with WiiU is that it isnt innovative enough. They are taking the same system and adding a Fisher Price iPad to it. Wii is not a fun system to play on. The once gaming giants and heads of innovation are now behind the curve.
THAT is why WiiU is catching so much flak. This isn't an exciting enough advancement. I have two Wiis in my house collecting dust. I dont need another more expensive version to add to the clutter.
Dark5tar1  +   756d ago
Another reason it's getting flak is that developers aren't really utilizing the gamepad. They just drop a lazy port and just use it for maps or inventory screens. If it can innovate enough, there might be less hate. Then again, Akuma will shit in his pants if anyone says positive things about Ninty.
Main_Street_Saint  +   755d ago
First off, why two Wii's? The other thing is I admire you saying you don't like the machine for not liking the machine; as opposed to others who compare it to Sony and Microsoft's next gen consoles which haven't even been announced yet, let alone even existing.
ActiveRespawn  +   754d ago
someone gave us their wii, we thought we would set it up in another room. Meanwhile, we have them both sitting there unused.
Honestly, although xbox and ps3 are to the point of needing a new system, I think they should stay with what they have. I am not ready to buy another system from them and give up what I have.
It will have to happen eventually. I am just not a huge fan of the wii in general. I wish that nintendo would come up with something better...
oh please. Sony doom articles every day. Get over it,
Krew_92  +   756d ago
I'd say less PS3 nowadays, and more PS Vita sadly.
Main_Street_Saint  +   755d ago
I think the Vita is going to carve a decent market share after a while.
lilbroRx  +   753d ago
Do you see Forbes and major news outlets bashing Sony repeatedly?

Do you see every article about Sony being trolled and bashed into the ground no matter how good or bad with the exception of where it is overwhelmingly positive news like good review scores which receive no response at all?

Do you see people jumping on every negative rumor about Sony while posting dozens of articles restating the same negative point even after it has been found to have been false?

Do you see 5 pages plus of nothing but hatred for Sony consoles on every major news report with only the negative opinions and direct clear insults from the users getting agrees and bubble ups, and all of the even remotely positive comments receiving a 10/1 ratio of disagrees.?

Please show me the Sony news where this has been happening.
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OmniSlashPT  +   756d ago
Damage control is strong with this one.
Deadpool616  +   756d ago
To me, the games always made the console and not the specs. Great gameplay and story telling doesn't require a graphically powerful system. Sure it's nice to have, but in the end the game can look good and play horribly. Heck, I still play my ps2 games along with my snes games.

This week I simply realized how many graphic whores are on N4G.
TruthbeTold  +   755d ago
I would say wannabe graphics whores really. True graphics whores are PC gamers. PS360WiiU gamers who think that they are all about graphics are like a piranha in a small lake thinking that he's a killer whale in a large ocean.

It's downright silly the way people get so indignant over console graphics. Acting as though their console of choice is anything more than a delivery system for awesome 1st party exclusives that are worth whatever comparative 'graphics shortcomings', and that the console choice of another is inferior helps keep our hobby/passion/primary entertainment choice/etc. equated with immaturity, children, ignorance, nerds, shamefulness, etc.

We need to grow up and allow the world to take gaming seriously, so that it can reach heights that will ensure that we all have the extent of entertainment that we hope for and expect from the future.
TruthbeTold  +   755d ago
Nice post MacDonagh.

On a place like N4G where we have a high concentration of company specific loyalists, and Nintendo is in the minority, people are going to be more negative than positive since they don't plan to buy a Wii U and love to try and add weight to the decision by pretending that their choice is common sense. Any interest they have in it at all is to see it look bad, and for many of the particularly immature, they feel that any time they can poison someone's mind against a console, they might be gaining a fellow 'gamer' who only buys into what they have bought and the silly mindset that accompanies it.

Truth is though, that no one who considers their self a gamer should be unhappy that any game or gaming console exists. You may not be interested personally, but every new gamer (someone who loves games and is open minded about all types) might potentially some day buy a game that you like, helping it to receive a sequel, or have a better online experience, etc.

But no... The 'front lines' of the B.S. console wars as of now consists of preventing positive opinions of a console that will be competition for the respective upcoming Sony/MS consoles. And yes, the articles here, feeding off of this and becoming ever more absurd amount to a giant circle jerk amongst such people.
lilbroRx  +   753d ago
There is only one "concentration" of company specific loyalists on this site and its not for Nintendo or Microsoft.

The fact that even though this is an article made for Nintendo, by the end of it, 80% of the comments are going to be against Nintendo(while having more agrees than disagrees on average) and in support of only one other company out of the two competitors should tell you which.

I don't even know why I'm bothering to write this. I already know what type of reception I'm going to receive on this post.
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TruthbeTold  +   753d ago
We all know that. You can't say that though, or you get pegged as a 'Sony hater', which for me is bullshit. I love Sony and own all of their consoles so far. But since this place is so ridiculous, why not play along as though all parties are equally responsible? It costs nothing. Nah, if I hate anything, it's hardcore belligerent fanboys. And I don't even really hate them. Just feel sorry that one of these days, they'll wake up from their stupor as adults and be ashamed of their behavior. Even worse, I worr that they won't.
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MacDonagh  +   755d ago
Answering posts.
@SilentNegotiator "You want a "circle jerk"? Try the pitiful 'armchair professional' fanboys who think they know better than actual developers."

You mean Neogaf? BA DUM TISH. A "circle jerk" is a slang term for "echo chamber". The echo chamber effect is whereby ideas, beliefs are reinforced without any critical discourse, allowing for misinformation and bias to be spread. From where I'm sitting, I don't sense any original argument, but merely what IGN, Destructoid and Kotaku have told you to say. I have nothing against detractors of the Wii U, as long as it's their own honest opinion. If you're saying what everybody else has to say, it's not an opinion. It's propaganda.

@wishingW3L "every console gets its fare share of hate. Wii U hate is not even half as big as the Vita fanbase of haters let alone the PS3 hate in its early days (when it had no gamez even though it shared the same multiplats and many more exclusives than the Xbox) but nobody's writing blogs to whine about it."

*Yawn* It's "fair". The PS3 and the Vita have been rightfully criticized for their issues. The launch line-up for the PS3 was terrible and for a long time; there wasn't many games of note for it. Thankfully, they recovered and came out with some really great titles. The Vita on the other hand is a different story. I want to get one, but I can't justify spending that much on a handheld when I can go and get a new PS3 for just that bit more. Not to mention, the various Vita games aren't up to scratch, bar an exceptional few such as Gravity Rush, Sound Shapes etc.

@majiebeast "People are dissapointed at the specs because they are barely above/below 6 year old console's specs. More power isnt just better graphics, its also for example better physics and better AI."

That's very true, but Nintendo's philosophy has always been to use old tech in new ways. An example of this would be the N64, which relied on using cartridges, while their competitors, Sega and Sony moved onto the CD format. This allowed for Sony to emerge as no 1, due to Nintendo's reluctance to move on from the cartridge format. It's surprising to me how people can be disappointed by the Wii U's specs when they've always kept to Yokoi's philosophy of "Using Withered Technology in New Ways."

@ActiveRespawn "The problem I have with WiiU is that it isnt innovative enough. They are taking the same system and adding a Fisher Price iPad to it. Wii is not a fun system to play on. The once gaming giants and heads of innovation are now behind the curve.
THAT is why WiiU is catching so much flak. This isn't an exciting enough advancement. I have two Wiis in my house collecting dust. I dont need another more expensive version to add to the clutter."

That's an interesting opinion to have, but I cordially disagree with you on the "innovation" argument. Innovation cannot be measured by CPU or GPU speed or graphics. It can be measured if they are introducing a new way to play games. Neither Sony or Microsoft have shown off their new consoles yet and I look forward to what they have to offer in the coming E3.

@shutUpAndTakeMyMoney "oh please. Sony doom articles every day. Get over it,"

*Yawn* Sony have put themselves in a precarious position, due to their reckless business practices. Here's a link to a well-researched breakdown of Sony's 10 year decline.

http://www.notenoughshaders...

@OmniSlashPT "Damage control is strong with this one."

How precious.
ShaunCameron  +   754d ago
Not just that but also their lust for "mature" content. Usually of the blood/boobs/profanity/machismo /"dark" environment variety. And next-gen technology that they're not even willing to pay for despite demanding it.

<It was the hardcore audience that abandoned Nintendo to satisfy their lust for cutting-edge graphics, which the PC master race have all been accustomed to for some time.>

And they have the nerve to wonder why "creative" games are barely being made any more. It's because thanks to gamers' demands for bleeding-edge technology, those developers/publishers have been effectively priced out of the market not to mention they wouldn't have bought them anyway. If anything, I say that's the real reason for Japan's migration to handhelds. Their supposed decline.

<People lambasting Nintendo for not directly competing with Microsoft and Sony. Why should they? Due to the continual rising cost of making games and companies such as THQ, Sega, EA all suffering from their reckless business practices, Nintendo's practices make far more sense than throwing money to make a bleeding-edge console.>

And top of that, a lot of people are ignorant of history. "Powerful" consoles rarely ever sold well. As a matter of fact, they were all financial busts to their manufacturers.

<That's all this generation is really. Specs. Never mind that there are a lot of people who don't know what they are talking about. I saw one person on NeoGaf claim that the Xenon CPU was considered sh*t by developers in 2005. I'm not going to lie and say that I know a lot about computers. I don't but when I see someone misrepresenting the actual truth, I cannot stand idly by and keep quiet. Slower clock speeds mean little if the architecture is solid but people are very quick to forget that and demand that new consoles to be as powerful as gaming PCs which is completely idiotic and foolish. Ask Sony how they are doing and tell me that it was worth it.>

They're either too lazy or broke to build a decent gaming rig, or they just suck at PC gaming which makes their opinions against casual gamers ironic.

<Better yet, if you actually care so much about graphics, how about you go out and buy/build your own gaming rig? If there is any truth in all this, being a PC gamer is where it's at right now, with the myriad of customizable options you can go with, the Steam library and the graphic intensive gaming that goes along with it.>

Exactly. (Console) gaming was always decidedly casual.

<Consoles aren't meant to be able to compete with gaming rigs but to provide an experience that is affordable to the greater public. Deal with it.>

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