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HolyOrangeCows

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The Moderation on N4G is Ridiculous

For almost 2 years, I have visited N4G for the latest video game news and content (Even if half of the submitted articles are garbage). For 2 years, I pretty much just ignored the goofy inconsistencies and bias from the moderators. But when I was reduced to 2 bubbles in a few days for posts that HARDLY deserved what moderators marked them for, I felt that I could no longer hold my tongue.

Frankly, I don't care about my bubbles; it's the ridiculous reasons why they were taken that strike me.

Bubble #5: Labeled as "Trolling" - An article about Kids and Kinect. In a nut shell, I said that children have incredibly low standards, and I was sick of seeing people who were NOT the target audience, get so touchy in defending it. Unfortunately, I do not have the link to this one.
Bubble #4: ( http://n4g.com/news/661871/... ) Labeled as "Trolling" - I mentioned that it was silly that a first party was using a third party to find these numbers, and I went on to call out Microsoft's inconsistency in reporting sales numbers.
Bubble #3 - ( http://n4g.com/news/662462/... ) Labeled as....."Spam"?! - This one absolutely disturbs me. I was labeled as spamming for saying that Xcom was not an Xbox 360 exclusive, as the site had claimed. I'd love to the meet the guy who could justify calling that spam.

I would like to stress that N4G Moderators control bubbles, not the community. Every time you hit a bubble, you are simply making a suggestion. I have an image which will make this quite clear (See comment 1....it didn't seem to have posted here). In it, the mods choose to give a "well said" to someone that is supporting Kotaku completely falsifying information, while a post with unanimous agreement goes unacknowledged
(43 agrees, 0 disagrees!).

Those of you who squabble about which fanboy "owns" N4G needs to change their perspective. N4G is controlled by the moderators, who are absolutely not always fair in their judgments, even perhaps, to the point of foul play.

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HolyOrangeCows2024d ago

The image didn't seem to have posted, so here it is.
http://img249.imageshack.us...

This is a plea to both N4G and its community. Something is not right about how things are done, and it needs correcting.
Thank you.

-Alpha2022d ago (Edited 2022d ago )

I feel the same way when it comes to people spamming disagrees instead of arguing back. While I find the community to be the problem it is clear users like you have an issue with the mods.

Sorry that you had to get moderated like that. Will try to bubble you up when I can if I see fit.

But the whole mentality of the site is pretty broken because the majority simply ruin it. Unlike a forum, discussion is dead and stagnant because people hide behind bubble degrading and disagrees. This site is simply run by a majority and the discretion of mods, and though there is nothing wrong with that initially (mods are needed and the majority ought to have some common sense though I don't think they do) there is the issue of power going to improper users.

I think for the most part the system works fine, but it's not an ideal set up for proper discussions.

I don't know how the mods work or what goes behind their decisions-- no system will ever be perfect to run a proper society of users, but hope that you get things sorted out or come to an understanding. Good luck!

darthv722022d ago

I have been told before that it isnt what you say, it's how you say it. Unfortunately, for some, it is difficult to convey the right emotion or emphasis in what is being "typed" because people perceive things at their own pace.

I have read many MANY comments that I have thought...maybe they should have stopped at that point. It is easy to get wrapped up in something like this when we all have differences of opinions. No law against that. It is when the opinion crosses the line of respect that it becomes an issue.

Where that line is, is different for each mod. I would like to think of them in a stance of neutrality while in moderator mode. They can have their own personal views of one side or the other but not in representing the "voice" of the site.

Kind of like somebody doing their job and then when they are off, they can be themselves. I dont know if there is a specific code they follow while on the job but I do know it happens. Sometimes we can let personal views cloud professional judgement.

Having read through your comments and ones specific to me it is easy to see you are dedicated to your platform of choice. I can respect that. Sometimes (we all do it) we can take things just one step to far and throw out a comment that maybe wasnt needed at that time.

You say you get tagged for spam or trolling as I am sure we all have. It is when we get vocal about it that makes it seem more like we are whining about being labeled as such. You are not whining in any way. You are clearing the air of disgressions that have probably been piling up.

I agree with alpha. I would bubble you up if it is warranted. By that I am meaning you really have some good debatable (and respectable) point of views/opinions. I'll give you one now for bringing your side of the situation to the table.

lex-10202022d ago

@Darthv72

Well said. Well said.

@Hoc
It is extremely difficult to convey emotions over type. My advice would be to stay away from opinion pieces. That is where most of the comments get labeled as trolling or spam ect. I would also advise you to stay away from things like top 10 overrated game lists, and any flaimbait articles. It's hard to write anything without angering someone on this site. The biggest advice I have is to try to not anger someone specific. They could hold an vendetta against you and just go and -bubble all of your comments. Remember Make a person happy and they'll be your friend for the day. Make a person angry and they could hate you for weeks.

-Alpha2022d ago

BTW have you discussed this with a mod/person of authority? Maybe you should before writing something like this if you didn't.

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gamerdude1322022d ago

Wait, holy crap. You only have one bubble? You're right, this site's community blows.

toaster2022d ago

No, the front page sucks. Go to N4G's forums. Much better and friendlier than the front page fantrolls.

f00pgames2022d ago

I'm new, I don't know about losing bubbles, but sounds to be fun

Parapraxis2022d ago (Edited 2022d ago )

I noticed how messed the bubble system is after I lost 2 bubbles in the span of 24 hrs, and I KNOW I was not trolling.
If it really is mods who control bubbles it would seem to me some of them are doing so due to their own personal biases.

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Active Reload2021d ago

Holyorangecows...you are a troll, at least thats what I get from your comments. Do you know what a troll is? Google it and you will be able to see the reasons your comments are labled trolling.

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ubiquitious2024d ago (Edited 2024d ago )

It's not foul play. The site admins have hired people from both sides to moderate which really wasn't a good decision from the start. But for the most part, they balance each other out.

The problem is there aren't enough mods to quickly dispatch the issues that arise. It's very simple, but as of now they only get to a reported story/user when they finish with everything else.

BannedForNineYears2022d ago (Edited 2022d ago )

Moderator's logic: If the comment supports mods, bubbles up.
If the comment points out the flaws in N4G or moderation system, bubbles down for trolling or spam.

They should have a system to where if a comment gets a certain amount of disagrees, it wouldn't be allowed to get bubbles up. ~_~
Same for if a comment gets a lot of agrees, it shouldn't be allowed to lose bubbles.
I'm not gonna complain about me losing my bubbles, I deserved it quite honestly. :D

Although being restricted from commenting for a month for these comments,
http://n4g.com/news/639731/...
http://n4g.com/news/640232/...
and
http://n4g.com/news/640357/...
Seems a tad unfair considering how often they allow comments implying the same thing to remain unflagged.

Then again, in my opinion, Parapraxis' comment that got flagged here : http://n4g.com/news/662631/... shouldn't have been flagged..... And apparently the 23 people who agreed with his comment would agree......

@13 "Ive never understood why people care about bubbles."

I care about my bubbles because I can't reply to you saying that I care about my bubbles because I wouldn't have been able to reply to you if I would have had 1 bubble which I do, hence why I'm having to reply to you in my comment that wasn't even replying to your comment...So you'll probably never read this.....

jlar2023d ago

I also want to know why they allow trolls to have multiple accounts and not ban them, I mean..couldn' they just blacklist their IP adresses for this site???

Unless the mods themselves troll around cause they have no life.......what the hell is the point of bashing MS, Sony, Nintendo, or any other game company?? You still get to play games and it doesn't matter if others don't like them or not, unless they flat out lie like Kotaku or give unfair comparisons (which always show up on this site).

f7897902022d ago

Nobody blacklists IP's anymore. Unless your talking about a *chan ban. All you have to do is reset your modem and you will most likely be given a new IP address by your ISP.

gamerdude1322022d ago (Edited 2022d ago )

Why the hell do you think I lost my bubble? Haha, for trolling? Well, if trolling is saying, and I quote, "Microsoft also uses shipping numbers as an excuse for sales numbers. It's what companies do to try to show everyone that the public would rather have them over someone else. It's just an old corporate trick and I'm not surprised to see either Microsoft or Sony doing this", then take my damn bubble away. But that's the truth, so why the hell am I missing a bubble?

And THAT'S why I don't comment on a lot of things anymore unless I have a very strong viewpoint on it. The vast majority of this site does not believe in any opinion but their own and not having their opinion is trolling, SPAM, offensive, off topic, immature, a personal attack, and a message chuck-full of bad language. So, yes, I only really go here for the user blogs and reviews and the news itself, not the "opinion pieces" that are the biggest starters of flamebait I've ever seen.

Do I get a well said bubble for that, moderators? What, you don't like that I called this site broken? Oh, you're gonna bubble me down? Thanks (you bastards)!

Bathyj2022d ago

For all the trolling and name calling I've seen in this place, what I lost a bubble for today was pretty harsh in my book. What do you guys think?

In a Forza article, a fan requests:
"implement weather,night driving,buggaty veyron super sport"

My reply
"Theres already a game that has that stuff. Jus saying."

Slightly cheeky maybe. Trolling? No way.

If I said, Killzone needs plasma rifles, floaty physics and blocky armour and someone said try Halo, I wouldnt be upset. And I wouldnt consider it trolling.

Far worse gets said everyday.
Its hard as hell to build up those bubbles, but easy as to lose them. I got up to 9 once, took about a year, then they change the system, I when back to 3 and now cant get over 5 again. Hell I'm lucky to have 5.

And truth be told, I dont need 5 remarks on everythread, I dont need to argue back and forth like some of these guys. I say my piece, respond to the replys and thats usually it, but thats not the point.

I just want some CONSISTANCEY so I know what will get me in trouble and what wont. People full on drop F bombs in here now and nothing happens. I suggest a game that sound exactly like the one someones describing and its a bubble losing offence.

What do you want from me N4G?

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