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Rant: Teh PC Masta Raze

EXVirtual | 623d ago
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I've seen this WAY too much. The amount of ignorance and outright bullying in the comment sections from PC fans. Not just here, but on Youtube, Disqus, the whole Seven Eleven.

Some one told me that sometimes, you have to call people what they are. So I'm going to. Some of you people are PC fanboys. I'm am fully aware that there are Nintendo fanboys, Sony fanboys and Xbox fanboys, but they none of them are no where near as bad as PC fanboys. They think they are so superior to everyone else, just because they play on the PC. I'm sure you've all seen the 'Real Gamers play on PC' bullshit.

If you're just a PC fan who makes it clear that he just prefers the platform, this does not apply to you at all. I'm not going to generalize and I'm not gonna start shouting that all PC players are pirates. Because I know PC players who buy physical PC games.

Some of these fanboys think they are VASTLY superior to console players, just because they play on the PC. A user said this in a comment:'Every single game shown for the PS4 and XBO is LAST gen to anyone who has been pc gaming for the last 4 years.
Literally, games from 2009 on the PC destroy anything shown on PS4 that is REAL gameplay.'
'I'm playing at 1600p bro.
Something you'll be doing in 10 years and acting like it's the coolest and newest thing ever.
But I'll already be playing at 8K by then.
Enjoy the scraps and crumbs that drop from my table.'

The level of arrogance and ignorance in those comments is just infuriating to me.

Consoles give a completely different experience to the PC. I'm getting a completely different meal on my table. I'm not getting something inferior to you and I'm not inferior to you. Same goes for all console players.
When this user was talking about 1600p and that I'll be experiencing in it 10 years, he HAS to be trolling. When the PS5 and XB2 and 9th gen Nintendo console come, out those systems will be running 4K games. Because this gen is going to be 7-8 years maximum and by then, 4K would be the standard, but as of right now, it's not.

How many people on N4G, let alone the general consumer, have 4K monitors or TVs? Not all that many. And it's not because they can't afford it, it's because it's a pointless investment.

Movies haven't gone into 4K and games sure as hell haven't (As a standard at least). Buying an expensive ass TV that you're only gonna get full use out of in 8 years and it'll be cheaper by the time those 8 years end. It's just not feasible or smart.

Now when he says games from 2009 destroy anything shown on the PS4 from real gameplay... well, that's just plain delusional.
Maybe on maximum settings from devs who focus on making amazing graphics, but mediocre gameplay, maybe. But barely any.

But I've just gotta ask this question. Why are we comparing the PC to consoles?
PCs need that extra power, because they are meant for so much more than gaming. Music, downloads, files, OS', the works. They're also fully upgradable.
Consoles are optimized for gaming and are not upgradable.

Now I know someone's going to ask the question: 'Then why are console players comparing the specs of the XBO, Wii U and PS4?' Personally I've been trying to avoid any power articles recently and if I do I'll just say something like: 'I'm very glad that the PS4 is a powerful console'.

But even then, the reason why console players compare specs is because they all fall into the same category. Consoles are platforms optimized for gaming and are static the second they come out. That's why.

Now with a lot of PC players, they say the same thing over and over again. Something along the lines of this: 'Consoles are weaker and more expensive long term. More expensive games and online subscriptions.'

When they say that, they clearly aren't considering the fact that they upgrade their PCs on a pretty regular basis, about 1-2 years (Not all, but a noticeable amount.). I know you don't have to upgrade it yearly, but I'm just making a point. These upgrades are not small either. Most of the time, they're not exponential, but they're very noticeable, meaning the upgrade could very well cost $400-$700. Much more then the 50-60 dollars you pay in a year.

Now about the cheaper games, they have a point, however they don't always get these amazing deals 24/7 (On AAA games). If they did, then Steam would not have crashed when the Steam Summer sale started.

What really makes me laugh is that even if these consoles were on the level of the highest end PC, they'd be extremely expensive. Then the PC fanboys would say: 'Ha, you have more expensive games and expensive hardware!' We all know that.

Now onto Steam, the card the PC players always use.
'But I'll already be playing at 8K by then.' I'm quoting that for a very important reason. Development cost are already skyrocketing as it is. On current gen hardware, we got GTA5 a game that took 265 million dollars to make. Luckily for R*, they were making a game that is probably the most hyped up game this for this generation. When games take up more and more power throughout not only this upcoming gen, but gen after that, when all you're games are running at 4K, 8K and with amazing textures and physics simulation, do you really think that these AAA publishers are going to sell the game for less than $60 on any platform? Especially the platform that has the game performing at the best caliber (If you have the specs for it)? All these companies, who we as gamers have labelled as greedy? A prime example, EA. It won the worst company in America twice in a row. Not just among gaming companies, but from banks, stores, the works. Hell, we even labelled R* as greedy when it was revealed that micro-transactions were revealed for GTA online. So do really think that companies will sell their games for less than $60 on any platform?

Hell. No. You might argue that R* could indeed do that, but that's because they're one of the only companies in the gaming industry (if not the only ones) that can make a 735 million dollar profit in 3 days. With other devs, even Activision, cannot do that. And if Valve does not agree with that, then guess what those companies will do? They will go off and make their own PC gaming service and charge a full 60 bucks from there. I'm not saying PC gamers will be inferior in any way to console gamers IF this happens though. It most likely will happen though, because everyone (not just PC guys) are demanding advancements in graphical fidelity. It's not a bad thing to want good graphics, but they should mean less than the gameplay.

The only way I see game development costs keeping at a steady rate is if devs make graphical and resolution enhancements at a much slower rate, especially when this upcoming gen ends. Physics simulation should keep progressing at a reasonable speed though. What's even funnier is that people didn't like Steam when it initially launched. Now... well you already know.

People are always saying that consoles should be more like PCs and that consoles are holding back gaming.

Consoles should evolve, but they should still keep their core feature: Plug and play. Console players and the casual market especially don't want to deal with upgrading their gaming platform. And yeah, consoles should definitely get into DRM. /sarcasm.

Saying that consoles are holding back devs and therefore gaming is valid and invalid.
It's valid, because consoles are holding back developers from letting game development costs skyrocket at an even faster rate (to some extent).
It's invalid, because what these consoles are somewhat holding back is how fast the graphics improve. The graphics and the graphics alone. Not the innovation, not the gameplay. Simply the graphics.

We all know that some 8-bit indie titles from this generation have had more innovation than the biggest AAA games in the industry. PC players have been saying that the most (because all indie games make it to the PC before they make it to consoles), but now, just because of the X86 architecture that the PS4 and the XBO have (they are quite custom though), the PC fanboys are now hungry for the AAA wood.

Again, I'm not saying anyone here is inferior here, I'm just stating the facts. I can think of a few games that won't come to the PC that have been announced for this gen so far. For one thing, every single first party title from Sony MS and Nintendo. You cannot deny that. It's not going to happen now and it won't happen later.

The main point of this blog is that PC fanboys are not superior to any gamer just because they play on the PC. Again, I'm not generalizing. This doesn't apply to all of you, but some of you. Give console gamers some respect and don't be so obsessed with putting them down because you're just wasting your own time, talking about 4K and 1080p @ 60fps on max settings when most of teh PC masta raze cannot achieve that with their rigs. When the user said: 'Enjoy the scraps and crumbs that drop from my table', he's contradicting himself. Like I said before, consoles are a completely different experience and PC gamers with that sort of mentality are getting crumbs from their own table. The graphics seem to be the only thing they care about. Games also have something called gameplay.

I know some people are going to disagree with me here, but I'm not here to base things off of what other people think, but what I think. Everyone here is. Otherwise, there would be no point. And for the last time, I'm not saying PC guys are inferior.

Anyways, thanks for reading my blog. Hope you enjoyed it and sound off in the comments.

EDIT: Maybe I didn't make this clear enough (sarcasm), but I DO NOT hate the PC or PC gamers in general. Again, if you're just a PC gamer who makes it clear that they prefer the platform, then this does not apply to you. I have extremely close friends who are PC mainly guys/girls. So please, if you disagree with what I'm saying, don't be shouting and screaming that I hate the PC and that I think PC gamers are inferior to console gamers. Because I've said this a million times.

TwistingWords  +   622d ago | Well said
Yeah this is only your 800th blog, trying to complain about PC gamers.

Now just look at your own comment history and see how you've spewed your mouth and look at EVERY article relating to the consoles, at what ratio is the idiocy coming from?

Every xbox article is "lol 900p not even 60fps", go into every Battlefield 4 article and what do you see. "xbox is holding back the PS4"


How many more blogs do we need from you claiming that every PC gamer is a douche and that console gamers are perfect.

Also you think maybe PC gamers can be douches because of the amount of double standards around N4G, forums etc?

One minute 60fps doesn't matter, then x dev announces that a game is going to be 1080p60 and suddenly its a must have, then another dev says its not 1080p60, then what happens? You guessed it, comments claiming it doesn't matter and you get blogs on N4G trying to claim it doesn't matter.
EXVirtual   622d ago | Personal attack | show | Replies(2)
lex-1020  +   622d ago
EXVirtual is very very ProSony and very anti PC and Anti Microsoft.

While there is nothing wrong with supporting a side in a respectful manner you need to learn how to do it EXVirtual. The way you present arguments, comments, phrases, and the like can make or break your argument before you even get your point across. Let me ask you something. How does this blog help anything? You are attacking PC "fanboys" in a very aggressive and condescending manner. No PC fanboy is going to read your blog and say "oh well maybe he's right. Maybe I shouldn't act like this." They are going to read it an say "Man this guy is a condescending punk." and quit reading before you even start talking. I have made it perfectly clear many time that I am a gamer. I don't support one system/console or the other. I just play games. That being said even I had difficulty reading your blog with the amount of attacking in it. You are not helping your point by writing like this. Let the PC fans enjoy their PCs. Let the Xbox fans enjoy their Xbox and let the WiiU fans enjoy their WiiU. Just because some has a different opinion than you, or likes something different than you doesn't make them wrong. It makes them Human.

Finally have someone grammar check your blog before you post. This is painful to read, and sadly it's your standard work.
zerocrossing  +   622d ago
I'm taking no sides here, there's good and bad when it comes to both console and PC gamers.

But what I find most funny is how so many PC gamers take that "PC master race, dirty console pesents" thing seriously. Zero Punctuation's Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw made that up as a dig at how stupid that kind of thinking is, yet it seems to have been lost to some people.
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FriedGoat  +   619d ago
Alot of these PC elitists have no idea what the REAL glory days of PC were like, I still keep my pc upgraded, but its basically a an mmo, ARP, indie platform now.
zerocrossing  +   619d ago
Oh I'm sure of that, but I'm probably the same though since my first foray into PC gaming was way back with Quake 2.
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Ducky  +   622d ago
Those comments are made by trolls, and you've lost the moment you give it any serious thought.
... and trying to make up arguments on a topic you seem to have little familiarity with isn't going to improve anything.

It's a stereotype from a joke that has run amuck. Just enjoy your soup and ignore the pasta race waving their meatballs around.
OrangePowerz  +   622d ago
Don`t worry they only come out at the end and start of a new console generation and after that go away again when the proper exclusive console games come out.

I played great games on PC during this console generation and great console games and anybody who just sticks to PC and dismisses consoles misses out on some of the best games this generation. It really is their loss.
wishingW3L  +   622d ago
this peasant and master race thing started as joke but now they are actually taking it seriously. XD
SeraphimBlade  +   622d ago
Since I built a PC this summer, I've come to legitimately prefer it over consoles. I don't troll console comment threads or anything. Not when there are so many better reasons to hate Xbox One!

Yeah, most of these people you're complaining about are just idiots trolling. They're a problem, but not one you can fight with logic.

I have to say though, your point about PCs "needing" to be more powerful for their other tasks is pretty much completely wrong. Ask anyone who knows PCs, the GPU is the most expensive part of the machine in several ways.
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zero_gamer  +   622d ago
The whole thing started as a joke, but the ones that actually take it seriously, haters just gonna hate. They wanted attention, and by writing this blog you just gave it to them. Sometimes, it's best to just ignore them and continue to do your own thing.

But yeah, PC > console anyday. Master Race.
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thebudgetgamer  +   622d ago
PC fanboys are *****.
Pandamobile  +   622d ago
Implying console fanboys aren't?
thebudgetgamer  +   622d ago
Not at all, just something about the smugness of pc fanboys that put them over the top for me. Fanboy being the key word.
Pandamobile  +   622d ago
Pleeeeeeeeeease. I'll take fandom of smugness over a fandom of ignorance any day.
thebudgetgamer  +   622d ago
Pass on both, have fun with that though.

Edit: Fortget that last comment.

I have more patience with the person that is ignorant, maybe they just don't know and need to be taught. If you know and still decide to behave that way you're just an a-hole.
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Pandamobile  +   622d ago
People will always defend the things that they are passionate about. It's a fact of life.

Willful ignorance is one of my biggest pet peeves in life. I sometimes take the time to try to educate people about things, but sometimes it's enough to just tell someone they're wrong and move on.
Software_Lover  +   622d ago
I wish we could give some of you a group hug. Then again, I probably wouldn't be apart of it.
Ravenor  +   622d ago
1080P and 60 frames isn't something that's difficult to achieve on PC's, I think that's where most of the more boisterous fans are coming from. Which a lot like the more boisterous, ignorant console fans are easily ignored.

There is also a fair bit of truth to those saying that a lot of the titles being shown on next gen consoles aren't THAT impressive. A lot of what makes them look better, is something that has existed on PC ports for a few years now. The improved lighting being the most noticeable difference between the two generations, isn't exactly big news to anyone used to mid/high end PC gaming.

I'm not saying they are right to act so smug or that they are somehow "special", but a little bit of a critical eye and knowledge of what all the major platforms are churning out wouldn't hurt the console only community. Every time someone says Killzone Shadowfall looks amazing, I feel like I'm going to have an aneurysm.
GamingTruth  +   622d ago
i dont cause i have yet to see something on pc art wise match ps3 exclusive games in graphics i feel quite good saying killzone shadowfall looks amazing
Cueil  +   620d ago
wow... take off those fanboy goggles... they are really thick.... there are several games on PC that destroy any PS3 exclusive and do it without sitting at 20fps
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GamingTruth  +   611d ago
what games are those, oh yeah the ones that you and your pc brothers agreed with you on and disagreed with me? yeah thats right none of them exist
lex-1020  +   622d ago
"The main point of this blog is that PC fanboys are not superior to any gamer just because they play on the PC. Again, I'm not generalizing. This doesn't apply to all of you, but some of you. Give console gamers some respect and don't be so obsessed with putting them down because you're just wasting your own time"

You should really just say: "The main point of this blog is that fanboys are not superior to any gamer just because they play on the (insert system here). Again, I'm not generalizing. This doesn't apply to all of you, but some of you. Give gamers some respect and don't be so obsessed with putting them down because you're just wasting your own time"

It's not just PC gamers. Fanboys in general always have something to complain/argue about. The best thing to do is stop feeding it.
The_HarryEtTubMan  +   622d ago
Silly console peasants!
AKR  +   622d ago
I've said it before and I'll say it again:

This is a flawed, baseless and illogical argument.

PCs and consoles are built differently. Yes; gaming PCs and game consoles are built with the main objective of playing games, but they handle that objective in different ways.

Consoles are closed systems. Their specs don't change until they are succeeded by a new system, as they cannot be upgraded. So then, their games are optimized for their hardware. They also have a streamlined OS.

PCs are open. They can always be upgraded and their is a constant flow of new parts coming out. You can add more RAM, add a new GPU, processor, etc. So then - devs build according to the more higher-end variation. So, PC gamers need to keep their system up-to-date in order to run the newer, more demanding titles. PCs need that extra power because they're not just made for playing games. They can do a lot of other things and also run a lot of different processes in the background, all with a full-scale OS.

Seriously; enough is enough. Consoles and PCs are two different species. Trying to compare them is senseless.
s45gr32  +   622d ago
Lord have mercy this article is ludicrous and the blogger is completely ignorant. Visual fidelity is not held back by consoles, if that were true then depth of field, Physyx, anti aliasing, etc. would not be possible if visual fidelity was held back by consoles. Is the gameplay mechanics, content held back by consoles and their pursuit for the casual gaming market. Look at Tomb Raider a game that could of benefit by being more survival adding hunting to heal and keep your stamina, making your own maps, less enemies especially not Russians, etc. PC games used to be more excruciating detailed like a rpg able to get married , have sex with the local women, drink beer or smoke. Games like the original xcom which allowed the ability to build multiple bases, data entry, garbage disposal, etc. . Also it takes five years or four years nowadays to upgrade your PC. Really why would a gamer would want to upgrade your gaming PC if the gamer already has 16gb of ddr3 ram, 1TB hard drive and hoswell processor. Also, the reason why PC games are cheap is because PC gamers are not willing to pay more than $60.00 for the games along with too much competition... I don't know I mean STEAM OS is a gaming operating system for PC. Meaning an OS were game developers can make games for the PC without wasting resources on Windows.....
fsfsxii  +   622d ago
The worst decision i made was buy a PC.
It has nothing from the gaming library other than the mostly awful indie games.
People like to play pixels and resolutions.
ExCest  +   622d ago
Yeah. You should've built a PC instead of buying one.
fsfsxii  +   622d ago
Like that would magically solve my problem -__-
The parts were custom.
mixelon  +   621d ago
Many 3rd party games still have a superior PC version..

Which gaming library are you talking about?
Cueil  +   620d ago
your ignorance doesn't sit well with logic...
_QQ_  +   622d ago
But i thought everyone already agreed Sony Fanboy's are the worst.

"Sony Masta Race Xbox Holding Back PS4 specs,specs specs specs specs oh PC?in that case Big screen, big screen, bigscreen,big screen, oh pc has that too? well then controller controller controller controller controller controller, Oh pc can hook up controllers, oh yeah well Exclusives Exclusives Exclusives Exclusives Exclusives Exclusives Exclusives Exclusives Exclusives Exclusives,Wait PC has Exclusives too?!?! well you know what my biased opinion is the Only one that matters anyway"-Sony fanboys
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GamingTruth  +   611d ago
pc has a big screen weighing in at 19 inches
_QQ_  +   611d ago
or jsut hook it up to your TV
Bladesfist  +   622d ago
Are you sure it is the "smugness" of PC Elitists that ails you or is it just a case of the truth hurts. PC is more powerful than console. It took consoles how many years to reach 900 / 1080p when PC gamers are moving on to 1440p and 1600p. I am not sure which one of the comments you quoted are incorrect.
gamejediben  +   622d ago
It seems like lately everyone is accusing everyone of smugness and arrogant fanboyism. Console fanboys against PC fanboys. Xbox fanboys against Sony fanboys and vice versa. Even omnigamers like myself have been accused of too much arrogance.

Look, I know for a fact that PC gaming has better graphics, indy games, mods and control. But if I ever dare state that fact, it makes me look like a PC fanboy. I think too many people have inferiority complexes. Why else would saying "PC games look better" be cause for offense?

I enjoy all games on all systems but saying that also makes me look arrogant and smug to single platform fanboys. No matter what I do, I'm an arrogant asshole. I can't win. Thankfully, my skin is pretty thick and I don't give a damn what people say about me. I'm not the problem. It's these thin skinned, ultra sensitive, single platform fanboys who are the real problem.

I refuse to be limited to one platform and only be allowed to play what my platform overlords allow me to play. I demand freedom of choice. And if that makes me an arrogant asshole to you, so be it.

We are the PC gaming master race.
We are the brotherhood of the N.
We are the M$ hoard.
We are the Sony faithful.
And we still mourn the knights of Sega.

We will still be here when all of them are gone. And we will remember...For we are the Omnigamers.
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Bimkoblerutso  +   620d ago
It's just the way of the world.

I would say that people "these days" have forgotten what it means to be a gamer instead of a fanboy, but in all honesty, this has been going on since the industry's infancy.

I learned a long time ago that I get so much more out of the medium by just going where the games are....and there are awesome games literally everywhere, regardless of platform.
TopDudeMan  +   621d ago
The reason these debates come up is when some dumbass "gaming journalist" writes an article saying that the PS4 is the most powerful platform ever or something along those lines- that's when PC gamers have to step in and say "hey, my machine that I built 2 years ago has more raw power than that".

Now, you can debate the difference in operating systems and ease of development til the cows come home, but I know where I've been playing games in full 1080p with ultra settings that make the last of us look like a budget indie title.

I don't need to tell you the answer. The facts are already in front of you.
GamingTruth  +   611d ago
more raw power but cant play even ps3 exclusives
TopDudeMan  +   611d ago
Well, that's because they're exclusive to PS3. I have a PS3 to play PS3 exclusives on. but if it's multiplat then the choice of which machine to play it on is obvious to me.
GamingTruth  +   611d ago
yeah budget indie title from 2030
cunnilumpkin  +   621d ago
'I'm playing at 1600p bro.
Something you'll be doing in 10 years and acting like it's the coolest and newest thing ever.
But I'll already be playing at 8K by then.
Enjoy the scraps and crumbs that drop from my table.'

lol.....whoever said that, is freaking awesome

the truth hurts yeah?

( was me who said it,)

consoles are always getting the remnants, the dregs, the left over slop

acting like its anything different is just willful delusion
-SIXAXIS-  +   621d ago
Cool story bro.
EXVirtual  +   619d ago
I said it before and I'll say it again:
Consoles and PCs are two completely different experiences.

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