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The Wii U's Current Pains Aren't as Dark as They may Seem

AKR|1173d ago |Blog Post|9|

"The Wii U has no games!"
"The Wii U has no third-party support!"
"People are ignoring the Wii U!"
"Nintendo isn't relevant anymore!"
"The Wii U is too weak!"
"The Wii U is too expensive!"

. . . The above quotes are common sayings around game-discussion boards these days and N4G seems to be one of the main hubs of that.

Either way, I'm here to give my personal view of the Wii U's current situation, and why people really need to stop freaking out like it hasn't happened before.

#1 ~ "The Wii U has No Games"

- This is a Wii U defense article, but I must agree that IS the case right now. The Wii U's current library is filled with 2 first-party titles, and most of the 3rd-party titles are just age-old ports that are available on other (more vibrant) platforms fore a much cheaper price. EVEN SO ~ this statement is only valid towards the system's CURRENT library. It's list of CONFIRMED up-coming titles, all of which either can or will see release this year is (although lightweight in size) - isn't lightweight in quality.

.Watch_DOGS
.Batman Arkham Origins
.Rayman LEGENDS
.Splinter Cell: Blacklist
.The Wonderful 101
.Bayonetta 2
.Mario Kart U
.New 3D Mario
.Wind Waker HD

. . . These are just a few of the Wii U's confirmed up-coming titles. We still have yet to see what announcements E3 brings. Nintendo hasn't revealed what RETRO STUDIOS is working on for instance, and there are some third-parties whom are also keeping hush~hush about up-coming titles for the platform.

HISTORY SHOWS: This has happened before. You don't even have to look too far back in history, either. Let's take a look at two now-popular systems, which at first, seemed like they were failures right out of the gate - PS3 and 3DS. Both these systems didn't have much titles worth playing at launch. Their situation is similar to what the Wii U faces now. What happened? Well, aside from their price drop - they both got a few quality titles released and then BAM - that was it.

Now look at them? They're rockets who's destination seems to be outside of our own Milky Way galaxy.

To be honest, there has yet to be a system that comes roaring out of the gate with new releases hitting it every few weeks or so. The Wii U got the brunt of the drought wave because it's the first of the new generation to release. Some of the torrent of games coming out on the PS3 and 360 were in development before the Wii U was even announced, let alone released. On top of that, devs know the architecture of the PS3 and 360 better. It takes time to learn new hardware and port games over to it. Look at the release lists of the 360 and PS3's first years, and compare them to now.

#2 ~ The Wii U is Too Weak - XBOX 720 and PS4 will Crush It

- Okay, now THIS is what really gets me. Apparently, because the Wii U is weaker than it's up-coming competition, it's suddenly weak and not a part of the 8th-generation. Well guys, let's look at history again.

HISTORY SHOWS: Specs don't sell systems. Whether you realize it or not - not every system unit that is sold is bought with the buyer thinking "Wow, I can't believe I bought this totally powerful system, with 8 GB of RAM, and super-charged PC architecture!"

.3rd Gen - SEGA Master System ~ More faster than the NES. Yet the NES stomped it in sales.

.4th Gen - Neo GEO ~ Best specs of it's gen, yet it sold only 1 million units. Genesis and SNES sold over 40 million and almost 50 million, respectively.

.5th Gen - N64 ~ Had more RAM than the PSX, yet couldn't even sell half as well as the original PlayStation.

.6th Gen - XBOX ~ Best of the 6th gen class, yet got it's butt kicked by the PS2's monster sales which took it almost half-way into the next-gen.

.7th Gen - Wii ~ Has to be the most classic example. This was more technologically-handicapped than pretty much every weakest system in the generations before it, yet it stomped, rolled over, and sprinted ahead in the sales department, when compared to the PS3 and 360.

Need I say more? The Wii U is weak(er) than it's competition, but it isn't weak. Yes, right now, there are few games that separate the Wii U from the best-looking games on the 360 and PS3, but the Wii U isn't weak. Put it this way, we're NEVER going to see another Wii vs. PS3 and 360 fiasco. That was an SD console vs. HD console. Wii U is an HD console vs. HD consoles. We're nearing the end of the graphics road now people. Next-gen visuals will look better than what we're seeing from the 7th-gen, but we're NOT going to see a huge leap like the 6th-gen to the 7th-gen. Fun, innovative games sell consoles, not "photo-realism".

BTW ~ PS3 and 360 games didn't look so much better over PS2, GC and XBOX titles when they first began either. Just sayin'.

CONCLUSION: I just touched a few of the Wii U's pains, but I hope this is a wake-up call to some of you. The Wii U's situation as of now is a dark one, but it isn't the end of the world for the console or Nintendo. They plan to revive the system (or in other words, bring it to life entirely) by the end of this year, starting this summer. Nintendo realizes what they need to do, and if the 3DS has taught us anything about the Big N - is that they know how to turn something that appears to be as good as cow manure into rich gold.

Patience, is a virtue...

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SilentNegotiator1173d ago (Edited 1173d ago )

Wii U's problem isn't being weak, it's that it isn't impressive for the hardcore crowd (graphics, strong online, lots of third party support, etc) AND it hasn't done anything to impress the casual audience.

That leaves it in a position reminiscent of Gamecube - first party games didn't save it from selling quite poorly.

"PS3 and 360 games didn't look so much better over PS2, GC and XBOX titles when they first began either. Just sayin'"

That's a very weak argument. Wii U is still several times weaker than the systems coming out in just a few months, keeping it from the advances that Ps4/neXtbox will surely enjoy. And launch Ps3/360 games don't look as good as games today, but they sure as heck looked significantly better than ps2/xbox games, with much nicer textures, a much higher resolution, better lighting, etc.

It isn't like Wii U games are going to make a generational leap from being only ~1.5x more powerful than 7th gen system to anywhere near ps4/neXtbox and suddenly be filled with games that are native 1080p instead of 99% 720p.

And stop with the freaking Ps3/3DS comparisons.
*Ps3 NEVER had a month as bad as the last few Wii U has had and was actually in a position where it WAS very distinctly next-gen, AND it overcame insanely high costs (a barrier that Wii U doesn't even have, yet sells as if it did).
*3DS is only doing well because they cut the price by THIRTY PERCENT, practically the cost of what the regular DS was going for. A CLEAR generational leap with VERY STRONG THIRD PARTY SUPPORT, all for the meager price of a few bucks more than what the current handheld was going for! Of course that's selling like nuts! Wii U isn't getting ANY of those things any time soon.

This blog is all of the typical damage control arguments; weak, inaccurate, off-point.

PopRocks3591173d ago

"That's a very weak argument. Wii U is still several times weaker than the systems coming out in just a few months"

I think you missed his point. Not all Wii U games are going to look like high end 360/PS3 games a year or so into the generation. Obviously the Wii U can never reach the potential of the PS4/Nextbox, but to say the games won't start to look better later on is foolery.

"It isn't like Wii U games are going to make a generational leap from being only ~1.5x more powerful than 7th gen system to anywhere near ps4/neXtbox and suddenly be filled with games that are native 1080p instead of 99% 720p."

You know, I'm well aware that PS4/Nextbox are going to produce some damn good looking games, but I think I missed the memo for when developers said all games on those platforms are destined to be developed with high performance and resolutions in mind.

"And stop with the freaking Ps3/3DS comparisons."

Gladly, when the situation stops being similar. The Wii U can turn around at a later time, whether through price drops or through an expansion in game library, IE exactly like the PS3 and the 3DS. There's NOTHING you can point out that can even remotely suggest that that can never happen.

"This blog is all of the typical damage control arguments; weak, inaccurate, off-point."

And this comment is more reverse damage control; skewed facts, asinine assumptions, grasping for straws and in this case in some serious need of a chill pill.

SilentNegotiator1173d ago (Edited 1173d ago )

"I think you missed his point. Not all Wii U games are going to look like high end 360/PS3 games a year or so into the generation. Obviously the Wii U can never reach the potential of the PS4/Nextbox, but to say the games won't start to look better later on is foolery"

No one is saying Wii U games won't look a little nicer as the years go along like every system ever. The point is that this won't make Wii U any less behind the new systems and it won't make the Wii U powerful enough to attract third party support from the pool of devs already saying no to Wii U. It will STILL be stuck far in the middle between attractions for casuals and hardcore, being largely unnoticed by both.

"Gladly, when the situation stops being similar. The Wii U can turn around at a later time, whether through price drops or through an expansion in game library, IE exactly like the PS3 and the 3DS. There's NOTHING you can point out that can even remotely suggest that that can never happen"

EVERY system has inflating software libraries and price cuts in its lifetime, but the blogger tried to compare extreme examples like 3DS (with its 33% price cut) to Wii U (which they've even said they're no where near ready to cut the price on and it's terribly unlikely that they'll repeat the 33% price cut). Plus 3DS was a clear, substantial leap over- You know what? I'm not repeating my points again, they're right there in the bulletpoints. Ignore them if you want.

I'll simplify it for you:
Wii U is simply nothing like Ps3, which never sold as slow as Wii U the last 4 months (with a million more factors stacked against it). It is also nothing like the 3DS which took a strong hold of the market when Nintendo realized that handhelds at $250 don't do spectacularly (unlike what $300 home consoles are PERFECTLY capable of).

And you're the one that chose to read, and attempt to characterize, my concise points as something in "need of a chill pill". If you're imagining every post with different opinions to yours as rage, take your own advice.

PopRocks3591173d ago

"It will STILL be stuck far in the middle between attractions for casuals and hardcore, being largely unnoticed by both."

And what point did you become a marketing expert? The Wii U will at one point in its lifetime be the cheapest hardware on the market. Right now it's competing with older, cheaper hardware with greater and relevant libraries with larger install bases. You seriously think things can't play out differently when two new consoles starting completely fresh come out?

And don't give me that specs crap again. It holds little water considering that historically the weakest hardware always sold best. Not to mention the PS2 was riddled with ports that underperformed when compared to their GCN/Xbox counterparts, but which console sold most?

Your points are meaningless given that they're basically "because it's not specifically like this situation down to the tiniest of details, it's not the same."

That's not how it works. The PS3 started off way too expensive and had few games at launch. The 3DS was the same. Now we have the Wii U at $300+ and few games going for it. Little has changed about that six months down the line. But guess what, things can change and so far you're failing to list why they can't.

"If you're imagining every post with different opinions to yours as rage, take your own advice."

Aww, that's cute, you took the context out of my comment again! Actually the use of ALL UPPER CASE WORDS and a multitude of exclamations points did it! See how differently you read this with that kind of writing?! Really makes a difference doesn't it?!

If you don't want to give off the impression that you're frustrated by something, maybe you shouldn't write your comment in such a manner.

SilentNegotiator1172d ago (Edited 1172d ago )

N4G doesn't offer the use of italics. And in advance language, emphasis is an important element.

Don't pretend to pick up rage from a few key strokes.

And like I said, 3DS was doing poorly at its price because it's a HANDHELD (Oh no! I used emphasis! Get me to an anger management course!). Ps3 never had a month as bad as Wii U's last 4 and it was a whopping $599 at launch. A price cut on Wii U won't be the same as the massive 3DS price cut and games didn't save the Gamecube from majorly subpar sales. You can't just claim that Wii U is anything like 3DS or Ps3 over something as general as "price cuts" or "games"

PopRocks3591172d ago

@SilentNegotiator

"Don't pretend to pick up rage from a few key strokes."

You're right. I could instead point out your needless vendetta against anyone who apparently the feels the Wii U can do better because the PS3 and the 3DS did as well. Between the two of us, one of us isn't going around to other people's blogs trying to shoot their points down just because they see things differently. And no, your assessment is far from factual. It's subjective.

"You can't just claim that Wii U is anything like 3DS or Ps3 over something as general as "price cuts" or "games"

I never have. I've said that we should see what happens when these things hit the Wii U and that it could potentially make the platform's performance improve. I have never once said that success based on a price drop or library expansion was guaranteed. You on the other hand seem to think that your view on the matter is set in stone and cannot possibly go any other way.

SilentNegotiator1172d ago

"Needless vendetta"? I pointed out that you can't directly compare 3DS's obvious turnaround (based purely on price) and Ps3 (which was absolutely never in as bad of shape, even with price, limited region availability, etc against it). My point is that Wii U will not have the same explosive, sudden turnaround as 3DS and that the Ps3 comparison doesn't work at all.

You proceeded to turn it into a prophecy of doom and created a false mood of my comments to feel like the superior cool-headed one.

"I never have. I've said- "

I'm talking about what the author said. His blog is comparing Wii U directly to the 3DS and Ps3.

majiebeast1173d ago

Im just gonna go on the rebuttal here.

The 2 situations with the 3DS and PS3 are completely different from what we have here with the WiiU.

Lets start with the PS3 it had 3rd party support http://www.eurogamer.net/re... from the start.

It launched in 2 regions(Japan,America) for the first 6 months. At a nice little price of 600$, thats double the price of a basic WiiU or if we count Europe(200euro for basic) triple that price. The PS3's worst selling month in America was 85K the worst month of the WiiU is 55K.

3DS's success comes from Japan the land of the handheld in the last few years, i doubt they will jump on the wiiU when MH,DQ and Wario cant even bump it for more then a week.

The handheld market has always been dominated by Nintendo the same can not be said about the console market.

What helped the 3DS the most was the 33% price cut. Im gonna be a betting man and say they will not do this for the wiiU atleast this year, especially with Iwata projecting a 100 billion yen profit for march 2014. The wiiU is only profitable if they sell it with a game, so if they cut the price by 100$ they would need to sell 3 games with every WiiU, which is possible but takes away alot of profit. If they do it kudo's to them but then they can kiss that projection goodbye.

Now your other part about the wiiU standing a chance by comparing it to previous generations ill give you 3 and 4. But at 5 there are other factors to consider like third party support and the mainstream gamer. Sony had enormous third party support they had Final Fantasy,Metal gear,Tekken,Tomb raider and lots more. Sony marketed the Playstation as the console for all ages this wasnt the console your kids played Mario on.

Playstation 2 won because of DVD,1 year headstart that was well utilized and again big third party support even bigger then Playstation.

Wii had the casual/mainstream by the balls it was a cheap console with a nice new control scheme for the mainstream/casual gamer and a good game bundeled with the console to demonstrate it. It also had third party support for that demographic.

Not saying wiiU is teh doomed but signs arent looking good and its gonna be harder for the wiiU to turn this ship around then it ever was for PS3 and 3DS. If you think third party's will all of a sudden start making downgraded PS4/720 ports, when they arent even doing it now when those 2 havent launched. I would not get my hopes up.

I think you are overestimating the power of a 3D mario and Mario Kart they couldnt save a 99$ Gamecube. WiifitU is also not gonna sell any systems that boat has sailed.

specialagent45321172d ago

Nintendo needs new ips badly. Lower the cost of wii u sold via the Nintendo eshop. Release a new Mario game and Super smash brothers in HD with map editors plus create a character, etc. If this corporation believes that the path they are on they will fail. Stop feeling sorry or being apologetic to this corporation is their fault for what is happening not us the gamers.