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Dear Luke Plunkett: Don't Pretend You Aren't A Part Of The Problem

DragonKnight | 405d ago
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Gaming journalism sites are still, quite rightly, reeling over the backlash they've received over the whole 5 Guys Quinnspiracy scandal that occurred two weeks ago. Kotaku is at the forefront of this hate due to 2 reasons. 1. One of their writers is directly involved and has, seemingly, not received any formal reprimand for potentially mixing business with, I guess, pleasure. Not even an assurance from Kotaku that strict guidelines will be enforced to prevent such issues in the future. 2. Kotaku remains flippant about gamer concerns over nepotism and corruption and essentially has tabled the issue as far as their involvement is concerned, but hasn't stopped missing the point.

Enter Luke Plunkett, Editor at Kotaku.com and author of this opinion piece.


I thought I'd go over it and explain why Luke simply doesn't get it, or doesn't want to, and why he and his ilk are the problem, not us. Let's begin.

"I've been working at Kotaku for nearly eight years now, and while I've seen some online kerfuffles over various issues in that time, I've never seen anything like the past two weeks. There has been so much hate. So many angry words, so many accusations, over...what? Video games? Women in video games? People who write about video games? It would be absurd if it hadn't forced people out of their homes for fear of their personal safety."

No Luke. The "hate" and "angry words" come at the fact that you journalists treat us gamers like we're idiots. Like we don't matter, and like you are above us. So entrenched in your exclusive clique setting with publishers and developers are you, that you fail to see that all of it rests on one foundation. That being the backs of us gamers that keep it all going with our money and our interest. That you would so reduce our concerns to being those of haters who don't want girls in games shows just how arrogant you are and how out of touch you are with us, and why you are part of the problem.

You brought up Anita Sarkeesian fearing for her safety, yet didn't once think to question that if she was so afraid that someone was going to do something to her, WHY WOULD SHE BROADCAST IT ONLINE WHEN ANY POLICE FORCE WORTH THEIR SALT WOULD TELL HER TO REMAIN QUIET AS THEY INVESTIGATE?!

You didn't even bother to look into the fact that she claims to receive exactly this kind of hate ALL the time, yet now she conveniently has to show a specific example that supposedly made her afraid.

It couldn't have anything to do with her most recent video being a flop with all kinds of people fed up with her gross misrepresentation of games and gamers could it? Couldn't have anything to do with the timing of her video's release making the claim that women are in danger in gaming due to the acts of one horrible person and the backlash she received could it? Someone so afraid for her safety that she remains on the internet and still has time to ask for donations. You don't even bother to look into this stuff. You just take a con artist's word at face value because she's a woman. And you wonder why gamers consistently lose faith in the gaming media, and why your site is NEVER spoken fondly of by ANYONE.

"There are a lot of opinions going around about this sad state of affairs at the moment, and you don't have to travel far to find some, but if you want to read something beyond a simple recap, something more substantive, my advice - as someone horrified by the degree of hostility, bigotry and sheer inhumanity that has been on show - is to start with these two articles."

"The first, by Dan Golding, is called "The End of Gamers" ( http://dangolding.tumblr.co... "On the evidence of the last few weeks", he writes, "what we are seeing is the end of gamers, and the viciousness that accompanies the death of an identity."

Hostility yes, bigotry no, inhumanity no. No one cares that Zoe Quinn is a woman. No one cares about the fact that she slept with 5 guys. We consider her to be an awful human being for being a cheating *****, but we don't care about that aspect of her life. We care about her relationship to your journalists, we care about her ability to control discourse by sleeping around, we care about her amassing legions of ignorant and blind fools protecting her from scrutiny and having to face up to the horrible deeds she committed, and we care that she shut down a charity event. We also care that people like you are trying to label her as a victim in need of protection instead of the manipulative, heartless, ethically and morally void person that she is and then blaming US for everything.

As for the stupidity of that Tumblr blog, I might touch on that in more detail in a future blog, but instead I'm going to focus on this little tidbit you included about the death of an identity.

The identity of "gamer" cannot die so long as there are games to play. It is absolutely absurd to think that the identity of "gamer" is dying, for any reason. Anyone that thinks so clearly has their own head up their own a$$.

"The second, by Leigh Alexander, is called "'Gamers' don't have to be your audience. 'Gamers' are over." ( http://www.gamasutra.com/vi... It's a similar piece, albeit one aimed a little more at developers. "'Gamer' isn't just a dated demographic label that most people increasingly prefer not to use", she writes. "Gamers are over. That's why they're so mad. "These obtuse shitslingers, these wailing hyper-consumers, these childish internet-arguers — they are not my audience. They don't have to be yours. There is no 'side' to be on, there is no 'debate' to be had."

Another stupidity article, unfortunately it comes from a site that I used to respect. However I can't in good conscience respect a site that allows such garbage to pass as a legitimate piece.

Who are these "most people" she's referring to? Has anyone ever heard another person interested in gaming NOT use the label "gamer" when referring to the group of people that play video games? We're mad because we're "over?" Is that why you're writing hateful articles about us all the time, claiming we're the problem and you're not? I suspect that you actually WANT the "gamers" to be "over" so that you could be free to infect the industry with your bigoted, short-sighted, militant ideology. Too bad that's not going to happen. Gamer is not an identifier that can end. Its only qualification is "someone that games" at a basic level.

I'm glad that gamers aren't your audience. As a gamer, I don't want to be associated with someone who is supposed to be a professional and is supposed to have detached objectivity but instead uses insults like "obtuse shitslingers", "wailing hyperconsumers", and "childish internet-arguers." You sound like such an adult right now Ms. Alexander. I also don't want to be part of a group that wants to insert an ideology into a pure artform and dictate how that artform can be expressed. I don't want to be associated with a group that actively promotes censorship and tries to monopolize all discourse so as to paint themselves the perpetual victims. I don't want to be associated with a group that says the same goddamn things that Jack Thompson was disbarred for saying, but gets away with saying it because what's between their legs is different from what's between his.

I wouldn't want to be a part of your audience if I was offered all the money in the world because members of your audience is what's ruining gaming, not gamers. Not the "label" of "gamer." You.

"Note they're not talking about everyone who plays games, or who self-identifies as a "gamer", as being the worst. It's being used in these cases as short-hand, a catch-all term for the type of reactionary holdouts that feel so threatened by gaming's widening horizons. If you call yourself a "gamer" and are a cool person, keep on being a cool person."

What's the matter Luke? Not willing to fully commit to that kind of hate group? Why bother linking the articles if you're going to try and play Devil's Advocate and be conciliatory to another side? And way to be supportive of one type of generalization (that being the generalization of gamers) but most definitely being against another (that being the generalization of social justice warriors). You have such a conviction and dedication to the truth. Such objectivity and professionalism. If you play games, you're a gamer. There are subsets of gamer such as casual or core gamer, but the basic requirement is that you play games. You being "cool" or not is not a factor and isn't something that needs discussion.

"Once you're done here, I'll see you next week, where we can hang out as thoughtful, considerate human beings and enjoy video games as they are, not what some folks feel they can dictate from a dark corner of the internet."

You mean like Anita Sarkeesian, Carolyne Petit, Katherine Kross, Zoe Quinn, Samantha Allen who insist that games are not just "entertainment" and try to dictate the direction of the industry towards a feminist agenda via the use of shame? The same kinds of tactics that Jack Thompson used and sites like yours were against?

You see, I don't see gamers trying to dictate what games are. I see gamers as trying to prevent others from trying to dictate what games are. I see gamers fed up with being called a group of hate filled, bigoted, rape apologizing misogynists who are complicit and supportive of games that apparently teach men to devalue and dehumanize women. I see gamers as demanding some ethics and morality from the news sites they trust to deliver them unbiased and objective news. I see gamers as refusing to be told that what they like is wrong and that they need Social Justice and Feminism to dictate what makes a good game and what doesn't. I see trolls as being trolls and not caring what it makes the rest of us look like all while you group everyone together to suit your pathetic agendas.

I see you as the problem Luke. Not you specifically, but what you represent. An entire portion of the gaming medium that is unwilling to be professional and instead accepts any manor of favours and bribes to maintain the close knit clique status that is gaming journalism and promoting only one side of the conversation, while drastically overexaggerating and misrepresenting the other side, if you ever choose to talk about them at all.

Don't pretend your hands are clean Luke. They're stained with more green than the Hulk's.

pixelsword  +   405d ago
As bad as all of this is, I'm going to say that hopefully this event will shake gaming up to the point that some social change will alter the balance of power in game reviews.
FriedGoat  +   404d ago
New video with evidence of SO many breaches in ethics within gaming journalism.

This is DISGUSTING. I can't wait for this to boil up further.


Wow, it even links Anita in all this BS.
This is crazy.
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-Foxtrot  +   404d ago
That video is amazing

Honestly everyone should watch this.
DragonKnight  +   404d ago
I saw that video when it came up and as usual Internet Aristocrat does excellent work. Someone in the comment section said that someone should create a chart that shows all the connections between gaming journalists and others in the industry, a more comprehensive version of what IA did in this video basically, and I completely agree with that.
Blacktric  +   404d ago
Great article as always from DK but you forgot to mention Patricia Hernandez's sexual involvement with two game developers during the time she wrote positive articles about their games with "click here to purchase" links embedded in all of them. Which puts further strain on Kotaku.

Also here's a post that confirms that all these efforts have been paying off (assuming it's true) and also explains the reason why all these disrespectful idiots released similar articles about "gamer identity becoming obsolete and changing" on similar dates after the scandal blew up;


It's working. We just need to push a little bit more.
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DragonKnight  +   404d ago
@Blacktric: I'm glad you enjoyed my blog. About what you feel I omitted, I want you to know that I was really only trying to focus on the article itself more than the whole issue at hand. If I tried to focus on the entirety of Gamergate, it'd require multiple blogs and would be seemingly never ending. Besides, with passionate gamers like us, all the info is bound to end up in comments anyway. Lol.
DragonKnight  +   404d ago
Here's another video that shows just how far down the rabbit hole these SJWs go with their ideas. Warning, it's an hour long, but it contains information we all need to know and we all should rally against. I didn't know that the B.S. these people are spewing is so bad, one even says that games should stop being about fun. That's how bad it's gotten.


It's really gotten to the point where the absolutely best thing to say to these idiots is..

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SilentNegotiator  +   404d ago
InternetAristocrat makes great vids.
DragonKnight  +   405d ago
This just in: The amount of people that see through Anita's "scare" keeps rising. Check out this video for more.

SilentNegotiator  +   405d ago
That guy is hilarious.

He's jumping the gun, but with the prevalence of fake attacks from these feminist figures, I can't entirely blame him.
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DragonKnight  +   405d ago
Actually, he's late to this particular party. People were calling this fake on the very day it happened, which was Thursday, and there's some plausible proof that it is actually fake beyond what this guy says in the video.


You'll find some videos discussing it at that link.
rainslacker  +   405d ago

You can only cry wolf so many times and expect people to not be skeptical at least, completely dismissive at worst.

I'm sorry, but sarkeesian has claimed harassment so often and caused so much false controversy that it's pretty sickening that so many people still fall for it.

At this point, I believe, for her, it's not even about pushing an agenda, but pushing her own popularity.

If she were truly trying to push an agenda, which I may be able to support or at least be open to, she wouldn't avoid discourse at every turn. She wouldn't say, "Hey look over there at those few people among the many who prove my point", she would delete the comments, and address those that actually provide constructive discourse and criticism on the way things can improve, by offering counter points which offer her own view on what she's trying to preach.

Anyhow, I'll reply to your blog in another comment, because it is one of your better ones, and provides pretty concise points on the "Gamers" view of much of what's been going on.
Bimkoblerutso  +   404d ago
It's just sad that this has essentially turned into a vendetta for both sides. Ironically, people like Quinn and Sarkeesian are every bit as toxic to our "identity" as the ones they are accusing. Deceit and manipulation is GOING to piss people off.
DragonKnight  +   404d ago
The biggest problem is that people like Quinn and Sarkeesian actually CAUSE toxicity. If they think that a group, any group, is going to enjoy having outsiders, or worse insiders, blanket judge the group as *insert insulting terminology here* and not have anything to say about it, then those people are sadly mistaken.

And then to have the greater gaming journalism scene actually defend these people who are injecting toxicity, and blame it on US when we try to defend ourselves?

Every time Anita makes a video allegedly deconstructing games to point out alleged poor representation of women in games, she always eludes to us tacitly supporting it and that means she's calling us ALL sexist, misogynist, hateful people.

I really can't understand how gaming journalism hasn't linked what she's saying to what Jack Thompson said. It's the exact same thing, only coming from a woman. Thompson said that games cause school shootings and he was shut down by experts. Anita says games cause sexism, misogyny, and a poor attitude towards women and she gets awards.

How can humanity be considered the most intelligent species on the planet when B.S. like that happens?

This is why aliens won't talk to us.
WilliamUsher  +   405d ago
Dude, you need to join the Corruption in Journalism force and help get advertising pulled from these a-holes if you haven't already.


Keep up the good work here, though. The games media really need to be taken to tasks over their facetious attitude with their cronyism and autocratic agendas regarding what gamers should be allowed to play and how artists can express themselves.
Infamous298  +   404d ago
Good blog as always.
Nonscpo  +   405d ago
Nice blog keeping them journalist honest is everyones job!
darkpower  +   405d ago
I thought about writing this huge comment about this, but I think TotalBiscuit summed it up perfectly. I suggest that you take a look at it: http://blueplz.blogspot.com...

I think the problem about people labeling everyone and making certain people untouchable, always reacting nastily towards those that use red herrings and non sequiturs to further their own agenda by piggybacking a serious topic that would have a lot of people on their side if it wasn't for the red herrings. And even then, ANY criticism is labeled as vitriol, and "you called out X or Y person, so you are a nasty MRA" or "you think female treatment in games can be better, so you're a nasty SJW that acts like X and Y person". Where's the middle ground?

We can talk about the overuse of distress damsels without agreeing with how certain people choose to frame the argument, and we can call certain people out without going into nastiness. People are either too touchy, or they just use it as a weapon to squelch any opposition to the chosen few that they've designated as the only ones capable of bringing up said topics. You can moderate forums for vitriol without turning off comments completely or being overly sensitive to those that just want to call those people out and hold them responsible to what they say.
ZoidsRaven  +   405d ago
Gamers are over? No. This ranch of gaming "journalists" who are kissing feminist @** is what's over. They know this, that's why all of this propaganda is flying around. Looks like a final act of desperation.

With their wits, they're better off pulling a chokehold on a chicken to get gamer's attention off of this issue. They should take some pointers from Fox News if they want to do this right. 7_7
sAVAge_bEaST  +   405d ago
Yes, I concur. Feminazi's are not needed in the Video.Game.culture.

Neither are Astro.Turfer/grade.?Journalist s- (Kotaku/Lolygon)

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rainslacker  +   405d ago
I define myself as a gamer. I'm proud of it, and always have been. I've never once denied that I enjoyed playing video games. I've been playing games for almost 35 years...since I was 3 years old. My love of video games drove me to seek employment as a game designer, and I went to school to study game design. Since graduating, I have worked on several public and commercial simulation projects, and my employers think I do good work, which I am also proud of. I just started back at school to get a higher degree in computer programming so I can hopefully get a job with a major developer creating AAA games, or maybe open my own studio.

Being a gamer is who I am.

None of these sites, SJW, fan boys, or fame seeking neophytes who want to put their mark on the world by abusing the industry and it's consumers can shame me into being something that I'm not.

There are two reasons I would quit being active in the gaming community.

1. Games become services to the point where consumers lose all rights in the name of corporate interest.

2. The community becomes so divided and contemptuous towards one another that no real positive discourse can be had because one doesn't prescribe to the hive mind.

The gaming industry isn't being destroyed by the gamer. The gaming industry is growing faster than ever, and has been for the past ten years. This is despite the fact that gaming is, according to some, has always been and is constantly becoming increasingly misogynistic. Yet facts prove otherwise. There are now more female gamers, than male gamers. That statistic alone proves that women in general do not feel oppressed by the gaming industry's view on them. I can understand someone being offended by representation in a particular game, but this constant beratement of games and the community because of those singular experiences has gone way off the deep end.

The real truth is, and one that I think authors of the articles you linked don't want to comprehend, is that it's this constant bickering and attempts to divide the community that is causing havoc. Whether it's from within the community itself by fanboys bickering with each other, or "journalists" that feel they can gain some notability by stirring the pot. It is not destroying anything though.

Anyhow, know I didn't directly address your blog. It was a good read and I thank you for taking the time to put it out there. It's a shame that it's exposure will be limited because most mainstream sites won't bother representing all sides. I just wanted to get the above stuff off my chest.:)
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DragonKnight  +   404d ago
Apparently the SJWs have threatened a 10 year old boy if the rumours are to be believed.


You can see that on the twitter hashtag of #Gamergate as well.

It's funny how the SJWs think. Anita is off limits, but a 10 year old child is hot.

And they wonder why we're all so pissed off now.
ShaunCameron  +   403d ago
Women are sacred. Everyone else is fair game. Men, children and women who dare get outta line.
Godmars290  +   404d ago
What needs to be a concern is that Kotaku and the like is likely trying to appeal to the general, mainstream media. They get the likes of CNN and FOX on their side, who then only listen or interview them, then SJW will probably be both dictating terms and raking in cash. And the industry will become directly effected.

And before you comment that all the regular media has to do is a bit of research, find that some claims Sarkeesian have made were false, consider that regular media both doesn't do the research it does, and will show bias to whatever side gets them viewers. That its almost never portrayed gamers positively.
LightDiego  +   404d ago
Great article, a good answer for these "journalists". Even developers are being attacked by these idiots nowadays, creating useless controversies just like a tabloid. It's good to see campaigns over here to not access sites like Kotaku, Gamespot, Polygon and Rock, Paper, Shotgun.
Enough of idiots trying to ruin games.
kingdip90  +   404d ago
What I would like to know is what can be done against this by the community. Gamers don't have any kind of organization, there is no gamer central command that I am aware of (the closest I can think of would be sony, microsoft and steam and I seriously doubt they want to weigh in on a controversial topic).

The only solution I can think of is hitting these sites and journalists in the money, organize gamers and write to the advertisers en masse that we as a community will stop buying their products should they continue to support such corrupt journalism.

Someone starting a petition to them with a few thousand signatures should be enough.
Godmars290  +   404d ago
Been thinking about it, and what we need - completely and absolutely - to do is...nothing.

Don't go to their sites, see if the likes of EA and Activision will cave into their crap which will send their sales to rock bottom, or see if any of them can find work in the next three months.

Once everything is really said and done they're little more than trolls. Don't feed them, let the industry at large what they are, that anything they touch is toxic and will be treated as such, and hope things sort themselves out so we can go back to complaining about game quality and other fanboy crap.

Not a petition, but an open declaration of not supporting their sites because they're manipulative douches, *NOT* social justice warriors, and letting the industry know.
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kingdip90  +   404d ago
I agree with them being manipulative douches, their Web traffic has probably been much higher than usual because they upset the gaming community so much.

They could easily be doing this simply to raise ad revenue. If they are making money off getting bitched at then they still win, what do they care?
rainslacker  +   404d ago
That's a rather idealistic view of what is possible. While inspirational in it's presentation, the reality is that it wouldn't matter, because the gaming community isn't a cohesive unit except in the most extreme of conditions. I can only really think of one extreme condition which brought the community together where it was noticeable, and it was just lucky coincidence that the media in general felt the same way.

I think the whole point of dragon's blog was that we're all different, yet share a common love. I'm not saying that if we just stop feeding the trolls this controversy wouldn't go away, I just don't find it practical, it's akin to a boycott, which rarely ever works. I also just think doing this is taking the other extreme that we're a hive mind whose opinions don't matter.

I do believe that as a whole if a majority of the community stopped getting so angry over it, and providing hits to the websites that cover this crap, then they will move on to greener pastures. We can express our opinion without providing the websites hits, because lets face it, the articles aren't worth our time to read as they offer nothing that leads to positive discourse for their side of the issue.

Let these people that want to express their opinion express them, then express our own in return. But don't address the websites or the inflammatory blogs/articles over it, and instead keep the community generally united over it, which honestly, they mostly are. For the most part, the people that agree with the instigators stay within their own little circle, whereas a large group of gamers seem to be quite upset over the current mud being flung their way. The SJW(for lack of a better grouping term) are not bold enough to come onto forums like this with enough force because they know that their arguments will be dissected, and if they say they'll get "attacked" over it, then they are weak and can't stand up for what they believe in and instead want to bandwagon on an ideal which doesn't exist because deep down, they know they're being played, but don't want to be seen as weak-minded individuals with no capacity to think for themselves.

It's rather sad that plenty of evidence has shown how they're being used by these instigators, yet blindly follow them and prop them up on a pedestal...going so far to treat them like saviors of the gaming industry, and discrediting actual gamers as what will be the downfall of gaming. Just sickening.

If you really pay attention to these articles, you will notice that most of their issues seem to be with 4Chan. What's bugging me is that the entirety of the gaming community is being lumped into what those guys are doing. Funny thing is is that I've never been to 4chan myself, but if you go by articles, they appear to be a moral cesspool on the internet, but on further research, they appear to be just as diverse in their views as you would see on any site.

Anyhow, In the end, I think our opinions are just as important as anyone speaking on the issue. Never should only one side be represented, and for the time being, until more "professional" websites gain the balls to expose the truth behind what these people are doing, and decide to represent both sides of the issue, all we can do is keep up the pressure to show that we have a voice as well.
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Godmars290  +   404d ago
We need to make this about their lack of accountability and corruption, which the Quinn incident exemplifies, rather than examples of sexism which have been amplified into misogamy.

Though we also have to show these people, this small knit of "journalist" involved with the indie scene, that there is more than indies.
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TransientDreamer  +   403d ago
"I don't see gamers trying to dictate what games are."
Really? I do. Every time you have gamers harassing/threatening gamers en masse, it usually because they didn't get what they wanted.

"I see gamers as trying to prevent others from trying to dictate what games are."
By dictating what THEY think games should be. Instead of just playing them, and not buying/ignoring what they don't like.

"I see gamers fed up with being called a group of hate filled, bigoted, rape apologizing misogynists who are complicit and supportive of games that apparently teach men to devalue and dehumanize women."
Obviously those games don't exist. The problem is that the majority has let a small, loud, and vocal minority grow and fester within the community, and hasn't done anything about it since.

"I see gamers as demanding some ethics and morality from the news sites they trust to deliver them unbiased and objective news."
You already have that. There is zero proof of any Depression Quest coverage by Nathan Grayson. Thus, the connection between the two is a merely personal level, not a professional one. I.e. no one's business.

And it needs to be said again. If there are sites/blogs out there that you don't like for whatever reason: Don't. Read. Them. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Instead, follow writers and sites that you DO trust.

"I see gamers as refusing to be told that what they like is wrong and that they need Social Justice and Feminism to dictate what makes a good game and what doesn't."
If games change, don't buy them. Companies cater to what the majority wants. Despite the amount pressure they may endure to be more PC, they're going to produce products that are popular, and listen to feedback.

"I see trolls as being trolls and not caring what it makes the rest of us look like all while you group everyone together to suit your pathetic agendas."
For once I agree. This applies to both sides and their terrible rhetorics.
rainslacker  +   403d ago
"Really? I do. Every time you have gamers harassing/threatening gamers en masse, it usually because they didn't get what they wanted."

I see it all the time too. But it typically comes into play when in reference to a specific game's mechanics or presentation, more often than not in an established IP(DMC is a good example). The other side of the fray is talking about wide spread changes that affects all games, and by extension the games that the community wants. The SJW side is trying to speak for all, instead of trying to provide open discourse on what it is the community wants. Basically they're trying to hijack the community.

This extends to your second point. It's OK to express what we want from the games we play...otherwise how will we get the games we want to play. I have no problem with the SJW expressing what they want from games, I have a problem with them trying to minimize what others want by completely dismissing an entire community's opinions as relevant.

"Obviously those games don't exist. The problem is that the majority has let a small, loud, and vocal minority grow and fester within the community, and hasn't done anything about it since."

More often than not, when articles of harassment come up, the community decries their actions. Some express how they aren't entirely sympathetic, but most agree that harassment or threats are not cool. We can't prevent what any single person in the community does. It's not our job to censor each other any more than it is for the SJW side to try and censor us. All we can do is not condone their actions, and hope they get the message.

"You already have that. There is zero proof of any Depression Quest coverage by Nathan Grayson. Thus, the connection between the two is a merely personal level, not a professional one. I.e. no one's business."

It's not hard to draw a corollary that the praise for something that some sites and gamers wouldn't consider a good game(if it can even be classified as a game) being pushed for by certain people who just happened to have a questionable relationship having some sort of influence over that coverage. Hence there are ethical quandaries that are being discussed, yet mostly swept under the rug. If there was truly no ethical issue at play, it certainly could have been addressed without retaliating to dismissing an entire community of gamers, or becoming so entrenched in defending itself.

The questions of gaming press ethics isn't a new one, it's just blown up over this whole situation.

"And it needs to be said again. If there are sites/blogs out there that you don't like for whatever reason: Don't. Read. Them. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Instead, follow writers and sites that you DO trust."

Boycotting only goes so far. If a site like Kotaku, GiantBomb, or GamaSutra can put out this narrative that doesn't exist without any kind of feedback, then by default, their narrative tends to be the only one that exists. One article on a site can influence thousands, a twitter or forum post may influence a hundred. The numbers aren't on the communities side.

I agree with your last two statements.
gigoran  +   402d ago
More people should speak up like this. When the media is corrupt, we can only rely on ourselves and each other to expose the corruption. Videos and blogs. Keep them pumping.

dragonknight, you just made some new friends
Trigger_War  +   402d ago

Everyone interested in "gamergate" needs to watch this.
kingdip90  +   402d ago
This is what video journalism should be, researched, exposing, honest and most of all not damaging.

This guy chose not to share any info that hurt zoe Quinn even if she would never give him the same respect and I respect that majorly.

Seems we can't trust the industry as a whole, some law must have been broken here, why are not the police involved?
DrKarateChop  +   402d ago
You've got one hell of a persecution complex.
TransientDreamer  +   401d ago
Don't forget the conspiracy theories.
leemo19  +   401d ago
Its sad that this once "journalist" came together with gamers to prove to Jack Thompson games don't cause violence. The minute this "journalist" got expose for shady practices and gamers call them on it, we gamers are the ones that are the bad guys not them. The nerve some of this "journalist" have to call gamers in general white male women haters etc is appalling. I came across this article today which was well written and exactly how journalist should be.
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47  +   399d ago
Holy s**t Sir! YOU have just restored my faith in the gamer. What a FANTASTIC blog post. I am THRILLED someone has been able to convey the argument the way you have. I am so f'ing sick and tired of garbage pushing websites like Kotaku constantly framing the debate to fit their agenda. Kotaku has claimed to be the "moral center" of the games journalism industry and have CONSTANTLY attacked outlets like GameSpot for doing the SAME thing they have now been caught doing and instead of owning up to the situation, they outright lie and make the claim that WE, the gamers, are the ones who are at fault here. L O L!

I couldn't be happier to see Kotaku(and others) exposed as the blatant hypocrites they are and Im ecstatic people like you exist to call them out. Wish some of these large "journalism" outlets would have the fortitude to do the same.


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