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Don't gimp my PS4 versions

DaThreats | 299d ago
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We have seen several sources from developers and in the fact sheet that the PS4 is more powerful than the Xbox One. That is not a question, and it doesn't what matter they do, MS cannot match the performance of the PS4. MS got cloud you say? Well, PS4 has cloud too that can be used for A.I., physics and so on; doesn't need azure.

http://www.polygon.com/2013...

From reports that the PS4 is 50% faster, therefore is more powerful:

"Our contacts have told us that memory reads on PS4 are 40-50 per cent quicker than Xbox One, and its ALU (Arithmetic Logic Unit) is around 50 per cent faster. One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. “Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,” concluded one developer."

http://www.lazygamer.net/ge...

http://coinpixels.com/news/...

Various developers also mention the PS4 is much easier to develop for:

"There’s no learning curve for developers to take advantage of that hardware because it’s x86.
When asking developers what their experiences have been so far with software, the commentary shifted dramatically in Sony’s favor."

"So on the ease-of-use side, the architecture employs a 256-bit bus and GDDR5 memory, a combination that provides 176 gigabytes per second of bandwidth; this set up allows straightforward programming techniques to result in impressive graphics, without the need for highly specialized coding.

http://www.nowgamer.com/new...

http://www.digitalspy.com/g...

Developers have praised the PS4's Development and Power, there any hardly much news for the Xbox One in regard to this. There are reports that both companies are working on their drivers, but let's face it, MS updates their drivers so will SONY, they can't catch up at all.

From all this, I do not see why the PS4 version of all multi-platform games will not be the superior version. These games for PC aren't held back in power, gimped, so why would it be like that for consoles? The company and us owners of the system, want you to use all the power from the console, and give us the best experience as you can. I don't want you holding anything back, if a manufacture created parts for a Lamborghini and a BMW, why in the world will they lower the performance for parts of the Lamborghini to match the BMW's power? It's not right and limiting it's potential; plus imagine the backlash they will get. This gen the PS4 is much easier to develop for and has vastly greater power performance. There is no excuse that the PS4 version of games should not be noticeably superior, DO NOT GIMP MY VERSIONS. Blame the maker of the other console if it can't match the quality of the superior hardware, it's their fault, don't make the gamers suffer with lower quality games, and since we are about to start the new generation of consoles, show the gamers that the PS4 versions will be the best console version to entice them even further to get the PS4, and not worry about much consumers not getting the best experience since most will have the PS4.

"One source even suggested that enforcing parity across consoles could become a political issue between platform holders, developers and publishers. They said that it could damage perceptions of a cross platform title, not to mention Xbox One, if the PS4 version shipped with an obviously superior resolution and framerate; better to “castrate” the PS4 version and release near-identical games to avoid ruffling any feathers."

This better not happen, if it does, I am not getting the game, or just buy is used; mostly what I will do. So they won't get a penny, unless there is some online code I got pay, better $5-10 than $60. If they don't to want worry about how much power they show off, then make a Wii U version or game; people expect lower performance output. I know the majority of you agree with me. DO NOT GIMP THE PS4 VERSIONS. It will be such a shame to have these games not show-off their full potential because they are holding back on purpose. To me that is having the game incomplete, you could have done more, but you didn't. You just settle for less, and just have us deal with it. No, I'm not going to go through with that. Give us the best game you can make. Show off the PS4's power and potential, DO NOT GIMP MY PS4 VERSIONS!!

SilentNegotiator  +   299d ago
What scares me is that one BS Microsoft publishing policy:
"Titles for Xbox 360...must have at least feature and content parity on-disc with the other video game platform versions in all regions where the title is available"

I could totally see MS muscling publishers into gimping PS4 versions with a liberal interpretation of "feature parity"
PopRocks359  +   298d ago
It's certainly possible, but given the publicity nightmare Microsoft's game division has suffered even before this thing was formally named probably spells out a different picture this generation.

Microsoft: You do THIS for our versions.

Dev: Why? PS4 is selling better than yours is. We don't need you THAT much.

That's just how I see it playing out though.
majiebeast  +   298d ago
Yeah if Microsoft doesnt get a major lead or any lead then they cant strong arm devs to hold back PS4 ports.
Nicaragua  +   298d ago
even if MS sells half as many consoles as sony they will still end up with around 40 million consoles on the market, and developers will want a slice of that pie - even if it means making compromises.

The only way Sony will be able to strong arm MS is if PS4 does PS2 numbers, and i dont see that happening.
SilentNegotiator  +   298d ago
Even if it sells better on PS4, that doesn't mean One sales aren't going to be a significant portion of the sales.

They will comply if MS stands firm.
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-Foxtrot  +   298d ago
Totally Agree

As I've said in my comment below, the more devs who stick to their guns and end up releasing their game only for the PS4/PC then the more people will buy PS4's...the more people who buy PS4's will result in a bigger install base. Over time developers will end up, slowly in the beginning, earning their money back they would of lost by not releasing it on the Xbox One. Microsoft would have hardly no third party support on their consoles and would probably have to end up buying the developers love to dumb down their games for the console. Whether they would do remains to be seen but you could see a future like the PS1/PS2 days where games like Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, Tomb Raider, Metal Gear Solid, Grand Theft Auto etc were all exclusives on a Sony console.

I wish devs would realise this, they need to take a chance, once a dev does and Microsoft refuses to budge then it would start a chain reaction with more and more devs doing it. Over a few years MS would have nothing...and for what stubbornness
xXxSeTTriPxXx  +   298d ago
Yeah, but the ps4 would have to sell significantly better for that to happen.
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Yodagamer  +   298d ago
They'll make concession to the policy especially for the big devs. They've done it with activision (goldeneye 007) and ea (battlefield 3). Eventually with the ps4 looking to be the bigger platform, devs might just do what they did to nintendo in the early 90s and support the other console until microsoft change their policies.
s45gr32  +   298d ago
I wish that were true but Microsoft unlike Nintendo has deep pockets of money, it also doesn't help that they own direct x due to it can prevent developers from releasing the PC version at its full potential content, etc.
-Foxtrot  +   298d ago
Don't you think though that high up developers like Rockstar have one over Microsoft, especially as of late with more people favouring the PS4. I mean MS needs those developers more then they need them.

Do you really think next gen that, for example, Rockstar's GTA6 or Red Dead 3 would be turned down because they've admitted the PS4 version has better content, is better and needs to dumb down the Xbox version (this is to Microsoft by the way behind closed doors...not to the press). Kind of like...

"Yeah sorry but we find we can do more stuff with the PS4, you'll still get the game for your console but be aware that you won't be getting the best verison, we just feel if we can do more for gamers and give them better experiences this gen regardless of the platform then we'll do it"

Like MS is really going to turn down something like Red Dead 2, GTA6, Elder Scrolls 6, Battlefield 5, The next Batman game, Fallout 4, new Bioshock, new MGS, Assassins Creed 5 etc

Come on why would they turn down those types of games. If they refuse them access to their console then people will just buy more PS4s and in the future where most gamers have gotten a PS4 for those games the developers would be making the money back they've lost eventually because more people are buying PS4s and buying their games with it.

Most developers who make AAA games have the upper hand, I wish they'd realise that.
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SilentNegotiator  +   298d ago
And what about games that AREN'T anywhere near as big as games from Bethesda, Rockstar, etc?
-Foxtrot  +   297d ago
@SilentNegotiator

Well at first they will have to go along with Microsoft's policies but when the big developers start off a trend they will finally be able to skip the Xbox One because they know there is an even bigger fanbase on the PC/PS4 now.

Big developers have to go first since they are the ones who have the upper hand.
ABizzel1  +   298d ago
It only becomes an issue if the consoles are selling neck and neck (1 - 5 million difference). If one console breaks away on a 10+ million lead then:

If it's the PlayStation it will be lead SKU's and games will be ported down to XB1, and M$ will either have to #dealwithit or worry about the game being a PlayStation exclusives (which is likely to be EVERY HD "Japanese Style" game since XB brand has no foothold there).

If it's the XB1, then yes all games will be in parity with one another, because no dev. wants to risk losing XB1 sales. And again if the sales are neck and neck then the games will be in parity as well.
EXVirtual  +   298d ago
100% agree. This won't be much of a problem from Japanese devs, seeing as their games barely sell on the Xbox platform. Like FFXV, because SE is developing it on a level that both consoles aren't capable of and then directly ported down to them, it'll be very easy to differentiate the PS4 and XBO versions and which one can replicate the original version.
But western devs? Oh hell yes.
Hopefully like Poprocks said, I don't think it'll be that bad since the PS4 will have a significantly larger install base, but we need to make sure devs don't gimp the PS4 versions.
xKugo  +   296d ago
I noticed you talked about FFXV being on a level neither console is capabale of. I'm a newly initiated PC gamer(4770k CPU upclocked to 4.1Ghz and EVGA GTX 780) and that tidbit suggest the game is being developed on a PC. I'm a pretty big Final Fantasy and the prospect of it coming to PC is great, so if you have any news that most don't know about, could you perhaps share some of that information?

Thanks :)
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sweetSWAGGER  +   298d ago
This goes back to that article that discussed just about the same thing, but from a different angle. In it, the author pointed out that with the current gen; the PS3 was incredibly hard to develop for and take advantage of, and at the same time it was far more expensive and came out much later than Xbox 360. Therefore, not only would it have been a hassle for multiplatform devs to unlock PS3's full potential, it would seem like a waste of time because the Xbox 360 had the bigger, more popular install base (at least for the time).

However, with this new generation Sony's PS4 is the console that's not only coming out first, it's also much cheaper than the Xbox One, which will ensure the more popular install base. So, the dilemma that developers used to face between the current gen consoles should no longer apply.
Godmars290  +   298d ago
By the very nature of the task devs with multiplatforming in mind will never try to get the most out of one platform. That's been a fundamental fault of the current console generation.

And still there were instances where they couldn't even find performance balance with either PS3 or 360 games.
Yodagamer  +   298d ago
Game consoles have almost always developed for the weakest link first especially when it comes to big devs. It's almost always the best way to get equal performance on both consoles.
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SilentNegotiator  +   298d ago
But they often manage to have a version with AA and a version without, versions with different native resolutions, higher/lower textures, etc, etc.
Software_Lover  +   298d ago
OMG you people are a mess. I could do an entire sociological paper and study on this site.
puntthor  +   298d ago
i agree! i used go on this website like everyday thinking it was cool but now i regret wasting so much time on it :/
dantesparda  +   298d ago
@software

You're the "mess", you're acting like this crazy talk and doesnt happen. When its already happening, and everybody knows it. You're naive and delusional, and who's puntthor, your other account?
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TwistingWords  +   298d ago
PC games will be getting gimped by the PS4 by proxy too bro.

Besides, if anyone thinks that the PS4 is 50% more powerful than the xbone then you really need to stop thinking that 2+2=4.

50% roughly translates to 6x more the amount of transistors within the CPU, which ain't happening.
-Foxtrot  +   298d ago
What console developers will care about the PC that much, releasing their games on the PC is just a bonus to make some more money...seriously I feel like you guys who mostly play on PC forget that most games have been designed for consoles or sell better on them. Hell GTAV looks amazing on P.......OH WAIT.

I mean the difference is not every single PC user has the specs in their PCs to get the best out of a game so why bother making an AMAZING, ultra big exclusive PC game if not everyone can make the most out of it. With consoles you have going to have that one console more powerful and in the end since every PS4 will be the same everyone will be getting the best out of the developed game
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wishingW3L  +   298d ago
true. Sony fanboys getting mad about PS4 games being gimped when PC games are always gimped by consoles. Kind of ironic and very hypocrite from their part.

The fanboys only care about their platform of choice and nothing else.
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punisher99  +   298d ago
I call B.S. on that. Because no developer is gonna spend that much time and money trying to max out a "Nvidia Quadro K6000".
ShaunCameron  +   297d ago
@ punisher99

Not only that but also the amount of gamers who own a higher-end PC to make use of the maxed-out specs of the game is too small for developers to justify wasting their time and money.

Crysis was ported over to consoles for that very reason.
memots  +   297d ago
Listen , Bf3 did not get gimped on PC, it was the ps360 that got the gimp version. it goes with the development cycle. If Anything this gen has increased the quality of pc title we got.
black0o  +   297d ago
BS .. only 3% of pc gamers own high-end pc drop the act kiddo
_QQ_  +   297d ago
@punisher bioshock infinite, enough said? i think so. Truth is Developers that care about their work and care about putting out a quality product will make their PC version the best,Really just look at bioshock infinite on pc ,its so much better than consoles,i know Witcher 3 will look miles better on PC than PS4/XBOXONE.

Sad is the Sony fanboys that try to twist everything to their convenience, PC directly competes with PS4/XBOXONE, if i can buy the same game on 3 different systems those 3 systems are competing,naturally i will buy the game for the most powerful system PC.
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Sh0ckWav3  +   298d ago
you know I never understood this policy .. its my game, if your console cant handle it , you cant tell me what to do!
s45gr32  +   298d ago
That is what I am afraid of that developers give in to Microsoft ridiculous policies by gimping the competition versions of say game due to the technical deficiencies of say Microsoft console.
ShaunCameron  +   298d ago
It's so that owners and the makers of the lesser console don't get shortchanged. It's to appease that group at the expense of the other. This is what equality really means.
s45gr32  +   298d ago
Very truthful article I really don't want to see a repeat of this generation of video game parity due to both PC gamers and PS3 gamers got royally screwed thanks to Microsoft publishing policy.
Welcome2Die  +   298d ago
I know right? I was so pissed off when I heard that FF13 had 80 hours cut from its original game, all thanks to the 360. Thanks to them there was also almost no multiplats that were as good looking as FF13 or MGS4.
FAT MAN GO BOOM  +   298d ago
All this means is I am going to wait before I buy may games... no more day one games... I will wait till other sites have a chance to check it out and let us know if it is gimped or not...

If it is gimped i will save my money... for another game that is not...

I am tired of MS PUSHING around gamers trying to steal their rights and now forcing developers to change products on SONYS system....

F*CK MS and one that wants to see this company succeed...

SO fed up with their broken products and poor way of treatment of consumers...
jessupj  +   298d ago
Agreed. I'm right there with you.

The thing is though, this 'political issue' of console parity goes both ways.

Developers might be cautious and not wanting to upset the xbone fan base, but if they do that, they severely upset educated gamers like me, that know there is a 50% power difference and will be expecting a much better performing game on my PS4.

If I don't get that, those developers don't get a sale. And I suspect there's a few more out there like me.
Megaton  +   298d ago
Microsoft is the death of gaming. Dunno how else to put it.
memots  +   297d ago
i clicked disagree because it will not be the death of gaming but let just say this gen it has not help.
nooneknows  +   298d ago
SCREW THAT!

I pay $60+Plus Tax for your title, meaning your ensuring the highest quality for the title. You better not gimp a game that I'm paying $60 dollars for. Not happening. If you can make it better, do it. I don't care.
XabiDaChosenOne  +   298d ago
If the PS4 can maintain a market lead of 10 million plus (which the most Likly will) than I don't think this will be a problem. It's funny how last gen it was the Xbox 360s archaic DVD format that was holding back games and now it's it's inferior hardware. Gotta love MS.
memots  +   297d ago
don't forget the no harddrive one. Development would have been easier if they have had Harddrive on each console. Pc and ps3 both had harddrive why screwing thins up with no harddrive on their console.
urwifeminder  +   297d ago
I hope it gimps the hell out of it as that would make me happy.
Izzy408  +   296d ago
the fanboyism in this blog is TOO DAMN HIGH!
cunnilumpkin  +   296d ago
you ps4 versions will be gimped by the systems 1.6 ghz cpu and LAPTOP gpu

its nobodies fault but sony that ps4 cannot even run bf4 in 1080p and almost the lowest possible settings (medium is only 1 step up from low)
MRMagoo123  +   295d ago
LOL and what do we find at the end of this blog 3 douchebags urmanhumper izzy180 and cunnilingus yay

OT the ps4 will shine via multiplats and exclusives, the sales it will have ahead of the xbone will insure that the devs dont gimp the games for the ps4.
ramo216  +   281d ago
Just read today that bf4 will be running at 720 so both versions are equal. This is after it was reported running at a solid 900p.
-_-

It's already happening...

Time to get a pc?

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