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The ignorance and stubbornness that is the online pass

christheredhead | 1146d ago
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The online pass or system pass is easily one of the most under thought ideas as far as video games go. It’s merely a quick stab at the used market, but does absolutely nothing nor does the online pass have any effect on its intended target. I mean, is the 10 dollar minimum for online play or unlockables really doing anything? Well no, of course not. Its almost as if it doesn’t exist. It’s a thorn in everyone’s side that hinders developers, publishers and consumers as well as the used and new market. No one benefits, not even the companies supporting the system.

Did they stop to think out the effects of such a pass before it went into action? We’ve all heard the statements before. They have server upkeep, maintenance, so on and so forth. Its true and from a business perspective I see where they are coming from. Its cost millions of dollars to make a game so who would want anyone playing on their servers for free? Definitely not me so I understand that aspect. Yet, when publishers or devs use this statement as a shield its only half true and we all know they don’t like gamers playing their games for free, plain and simple. Especially when they’ve spent so much hard earned time and money with no return on their work. This online pass that’s becoming the norm though is not an incentive like they try to sell it off as. It’s a deterrent for buying new not a deterrent from buying used and that’s where the mix up lies. They seem to be looking at it from the wrong perspective and as a consumer I don’t support it in any way.

Of course if you buy new there is never a problem. You can always play online and never be locked from the content within. That’s great and agreeable, but a lot of times publisher or devs are telling me to wait or buy used instead. Of course they aren’t directly telling me, but I find it hard to drop 40 or 60 dollars on a brand new game only to find out 6 months down the line there is a better version for cheaper than what I paid. This is by far the biggest issue for me and i know im not alone. Why is it that the publishers and devs are viewed as the sad victim while consumers of games get repeatedly screwed? I know they need to make money to put food on their table, but when you constantly back stab your 1st day or initial buyers you lose my money as well as others. If I so chose to purchase your games brand new don’t betray me with a better product for less than what I have paid you. Now not every company is as bad as capcom, but its hard for me to trust a company when they're always looking to resell their product. Its business so I understand in that perspecitve, but its also business if I choose to buy used, which I don’t feel guilty for in the least bit. If I can save 5, 10 or 15 dollars buying used then 9 times out of 10 I will buy used. Even with the pass I can save 5 or 10 dollars and still sell the game once the “ultimate” version comes out with all the dlc, unlocks, etc. There needs to be a reason to buy new if they want to use their online pass as an excuse which brings me to my next point.

Having content locked isn’t really gonna force me away from buying pre owned as I still save money with the pass. Why not have access to content that only new buyers can acquire? Lets say for instance I buy an fps, enter my code and im given 2 maps, which is great. The same person who buys used has to buy an online code to gain access, but buying the code will not give him or her any of that content. If they want consumers to buy new they have to give us a reason to buy new. As it stands, for the most part, they are giving me more reasons to buy pre owned and the online pass is one of those reasons. Even then, companies can still keep their online pass model in place and new purchasers will receive a reward or benefit unique to their code. There are more solutions to the issue than just flat out attacking the used market. They are treating the situation as if it’s a crime to buy used cause they don’t make double profit. So essentially companies are making 10 dollars off of every used game, but that’s not a guarantee. It’s a very hard headed approach to curbing used sales. As I mentioned im always nervous about initial purchases due to a lot of dlc policies. I would buy new if had access to partial dlc with a code. Lets say I buy an adventure game, then 2 months down the line an expansion pack is released for 20 dollars. Give me access to the first half of the expansion and if I like I could purchase the rest of the pack for 10. Users who bought pre owned don’t get the same benefit and would have to buy the entire pack for 20. These aren’t necessarily the best solutions to fix the issue, but like I have said there are better ways of handling the problem than just tacking on a worthless pass. Its even starting to leak into single player so lets move on to that.

Im sure some of you have read the recent news about rage and their own pass. If you haven’t it basically states that there are areas in the single player that will be locked until you verify your code. They also went on to state that the areas in question were minor and unimportant to the point that even with them unlocked you probably won’t play them or notice the areas. Great right? After hearing that I had to rush to my nearest gamestop and pre order my copy in full. Its just that amazing. Well no, its not. I mean come on. Its as if we cant be trusted and they have to force our hand at a sale. This is the glorious incentive for buying new? Please sign me up for all future installments of any games if thats the case. If its so unimportant then it would actually be smarter to buy used to save the extra 5 or 10 dollars on a few in game areas that don’t matter. Let’s be realistic here, you cant possibly expect your consumers to be thrilled with this news. Like mentioned above, if they wanted to implement a pass, but provided me with content only I could play with a new copy then im all for it. Yet statements like this feel more insulting than anything and im sure ID would be ok with me buying a used copy of rage at this point.

Truth be told I really don’t think used games are as big of an issue as they would like you to believe. If they were to somehow demolish all used game sales they would make far less profit in the long run. I cant even begin to count how many new games I have purchased with the trade value of old games. I know I am not the only gamer who does this on a constant basis. There are way to many triple a releases crammed back to back, the 65 dollar price tag is outrageous, dlc milking is getting out hand, cut content is the norm and I could go on and on. How can we possibly be expected to buy your games brand new when 1 if not all of those things are expected? Its not the pre owned games that are keeping you from monetary gain. As a whole I think pre owned is a very miniscule issue for profit. I seem to be complaining here, but there is more than 1 way to help us help you. Gamers seem to be extremely loyal to their favorite devs, myself included, and I wouldn’t mind keeping my favorite studio aflot to keep my favorite games on the shelves. Its just that I feel like the money grabbing is getting out of hand and im not getting a fair return on my investment into a product.

At the end of the day we’re the consumers. These companies rely on us to stay in business and i feel like there is an improper balance between some companies and the gamers. Im sure a lot of companies won’t be closing their doors just because I choose to take my money else where. Yet that’s the freedom about it. I can choose to vote with my wallet and as it stands with the online pass most companies will only get a measly 10 from me, if that. This post does come off rather upstanding as if im entitled to everything which im not. I just don’t support the pass and I believe there are other ways to bring in buyers without such a half way excuse as “the pass.” There are larger issues at hand than making a profit off a used copy of a game.

Of course I always appreciate all those who take the time to read these minor blog posts of mine. Feel free to share your opinion.

FredEffinChopin  +   1146d ago
That's the thing, it seems like when it comes to many major publishers, it's primarily important to look like they're doing something to protect the bottom line. It doesn't matter if the measures they're taking may have a negative long term effect, or if the threat was wildly exaggerated to begin with. As long as people (shareholders and or publishers/developers) believe that piracy or used game sales are killing the industry, actions will continue to be taken to squeeze extra money out of the gamers. The worst part of it in this case, is that even if some people stop buying games that have abusive DRM on them, the money that they made selling passes to people who didn't know when they bought the game used borrowed from a friend might make up for it. Even if not, it would look like extra money coming in on top of sales. I'm afraid this trend is going to continue for a while. It's a real shame, the inconvenience of all these knee-jerk overreactions goes straight to the gamer.
christheredhead  +   1146d ago
you make a valid point that i didn't really think about......the shareholders. they are the ones that want to see that bottom line so you're right. they have to protect the business and keep busy doing something about it. what kind of bothers me though is that you have the pass and if that fails to bring in profit like expected we'll end up seeing other ridiculous implementations on top of the pass. you'll have to register your pass but the last half of the game is locked unless you pay 5 dollars, or something to that extent. some games are pretty much on that border line so i wouldn't be surprised if it started happening.

another thing that really annoys me is that i rent a TON of games to try before i buy. i can deal with no online. i just want to play the game to make sure im not wasting my money. yet, i just dont want single player being locked and not knowing if a game is good until you buy new or buy the pass. that will happen at some point for sure. im almost certain.
zerocrossing  +   1146d ago
The online pass is a stupid idea they should just drop it, We never needed a pass before why do we need it now?.

It's certainly not their for us gamers.
SilentNegotiator  +   1146d ago
"Of course if you buy new there is never a problem"

Woah, woah, woah. So when I want to play the game on more than 5 or 10 systems (my own, friends, relatives, etc), I DON'T have a problem?

It's still A paid copy of the game, and that should definitely be enough. But no, game publishers want free money that they haven't earned by keeping gamers from selling THEIR copy of the game without someone giving them $10 more.

The power/right to play online should be on the paid copy of the game, not a slip of paper with a limited use code. No matter how it trades off, that copy of the game was still $60 to them.
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christheredhead  +   1146d ago
actually thats true and i think a lot of people forget that, myself included. yet thats a minuscule problem so gamers and publishers dont seem to care all that much. as a whole its trying to move to a 1 user system to essentially double profit off every game. were not completely there yet but its certainly getting that way.

im not necessarily against the pass 100%, but it needs to be revamped, in more than 1 way, as the current model just doesn't work.
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soundslike  +   1146d ago
If there wasn't a market need it wouldn't be done. They know games are too expensive, because they're the ones who have to charge $60 for it. I may be extremely left wing at times, but this is something that's truly in their right as business in a free market.
The repercussions could be worse if not. We don't need two big titles sucking up all the money and people just buying the lower budget titles used 6 months later, because that WILL lead to less and less non-Call of Duty titles in the market. There's not enough moaning you can do to change that.

If you want cheaper games, support digital downloads. Support steam. If you want to have a "physical" copy? pay the online pass, or stop buying used games. You can't have it both ways. You can't defend mass producing disc based media, AND be against online passes. The money from one easily makes up for the other.
Times are changing.
FredEffinChopin  +   1146d ago
It doesn't need to be done. Last time I checked video gaming is bigger than cinema in America, I believe it's a 70 billion dollar a year industry. If developers can't find a way to get some of that money in their pocket, then the business is being mismanaged on their end. It's not that the money isn't coming into the industry, because it is coming in droves. Whatever the reason is for devs of successful games being broke is, it shouldn't be a buck that is passed down to the consumer. These guys have been able to eat for decades, and now all of the sudden while games are selling multiple times more than they ever have, we're supposed to be giving extra money to bail them out?

This online pass business is bullshit, it's a combination of greedy publishers and/or developers squeezing extra money, and the false pretense of panic over lost sales due to piracy and used sales. Neither were killing the industry in the past, and they still aren't today.
theonlylolking  +   1146d ago
I never buy used unless its WAY cheaper but...
I am not going to support any game with a online pass. I know many games have online pass and even more are going to have it but if more people just refuse to buy the game because of the online pass then they will make even less money.

The publishers will eventually stop online passes once the consumer stands up for what is good. I was looking forward to resistance 3 but once I heard online pass would be making its way to the game I cringed because I am going to keep myself from buying the game. I am hoping that Uncharted 3 wont have the online pass because that would just be a HUGE pain to not have that game.(anyone who owns uncharted knows how big of a pain that is)

I do not know if it costs money to make a code for the online pass. If it is free or SUPER cheap for them to make a code for a online pass then that would just make me even more angry.

Interent providers, game publishers, apple, etc... will keep mistreating customers until the customers wont stand for it anymore. Internet providers are over charging us and some not even living up to their promises. Apple is doing almost nothing new with each new ipod but because the consumers keep eating it up they keep doing that crap. Game publishers are only doing this to us because we are letting them do this.

For all companies money is the end goal and if they dont get the money they want they will submit to the consumers wants.

-End Statement/Rant
jessupj  +   1145d ago
It's nice to hear some people here are going to take a stand against Online Passes and not buy any game that uses this junk system.

But the sad truth is that the most consumers are not going to care, and the people taking a stand is only going to make a tiny dent. I know they have a right to buy whatever game they want, but I can't help but feel bitter towards them, because it's due to them that the sales are still going to be high so developers will continue to implement the Pass system more and more. And I'm a very passionate gamer so that affects me in a very big way.
Brownghost  +   1144d ago
im sick of publishers there games are doing fine most of time so there being greedy and making this nonsense sometimes we cant afford a new version and need a used i expected activision but apparently ea and ubi are doing it earlier why BF3?

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