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Kinect 2 Could Be Nextbox's Downfall

Chaostar | 584d ago
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Kinect is Microsoft’s gimmick, their ‘thing’, if you will, the hook that differentiates them from other platforms; like a guy with an unusual hat. Now some people like the look of the hat and some people think it looks plain stupid, there’ll always be differing opinions, but one thing’s for sure MS think they look damn good in that hat and they want to have it permanently sewn to their head. Ok, so that analogy kind of tripped over at the end there but you can see where I’m coming from, MS want Kinect to be a permanent part of their Xbox ‘ecosystem’, whether you like it or not, and this could spell disaster.

Price, cost, rate, amount, expense, charge, however you put it, you cannot underestimate the importance of it in the video game industry. And it’s here that we can begin to see a problem that could quite possibly lead to MS shooting themselves in the foot. History has shown that it’s not always the most technologically advanced console that comes out on top; price is a huge factor and one that has never been more important due to economic circumstances. Although there are exceptions as PS3 has been consistently more expensive throughout its life but has managed to sell at a greater rate than the cheaper 360.

So, assuming that MS want Kinect to be a totally integrated experience in their Xbox brand, it makes sense that they may choose to include it as standard with the upcoming hardware. This is where the all important factor of price comes into play. Should Sony, manage to get their new console ready in a close timeframe to the ‘nextbox’ there will be two, probably similar, consoles on the shelves with two very different price tags. The inclusion of Kinect (or a newer version) would almost definitely swell the asking price, unless of course MS are willing to take a monumentally massive hit on short term profits, which, given their current disappointments with Surface and Windows 8 phones as well as stagnant share prices, might not be an option.

Kinect cost $150/£130 on release, even if MS manage to reduce production costs on the device it could still bloat up the cost of a new Xbox console by $100/£80, which could even increase if the specs are enhanced. All Sony would then have to do is make the 4th Playstation specs a little better, the price a little lower, keep online free and suddenly they have a console that looks very appealing to the average consumer, unless of course the consumer loves unusual hats… a lot.

It’s hard for me to picture a way in which forcing Kinect as standard with a new Xbox could end with anything but misery for MS, even with another $500m marketing campaign. It’s my hope that Kinect or Kinect 2 remains an optional extra so that the 3rd Xbox can be competitive on its own gaming merits and keep Sony on their toes next generation.

Nicaragua  +   584d ago
flailing is flailing no matter how accurate they make it, and there is no play in my gaming for flailing.
Knight_Crawler  +   583d ago
Yes because hardcore gamers are the only one who should enjoy gaming -_-
Think that is bad? What if the rumors of casual xbox is true? and it is a success?

MS is to wanting wii success. They are like a pitbull that won't let go.

The have don an amazing effort.

125 kinect games and 61 kinect xbox exclusives and 21 more announced by MS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

plus

"Rare hiring new developers for Kinect 2 and Xbox 720 games"
http://www.digitaltrends.co...

They must really make so much cash to try so hard for casual gaming.

But if they are buying then I can't say they should stop.

Xbox core gamers have taken the back seat.
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Alderney  +   584d ago
Going by Sony's Move device, the PS4 will very likely have peripherals similar to the WiiU. Much like the current Move, I have no iterest in playing a slightly upgraded version of a crappy Nintendo product.

Meanwhile, Kinect 2.0 has some serious Minority Report-like potential. It's a joke now, but Microsoft could really make something out this.

Either way I'll be sticking with a regular controller next gen.
Chaostar  +   584d ago
I'm struggling to follow your logic, what does Move have to do with Wii U's controller tablet thingy? Oh wait are you trying to say that because Move is a little similar to Wii controllers therefore Sony must be working on something similar to Wii U now?

You're implying that Sony is just flat out copying Nintendo and, whether that is true or not, your use of the slippery slope logical fallacy indicates you're just guessing wildly so I won't ask for links as proof.

I also won't ask how you know anything about Kinect 2 either since there has been no official word or even reputable leak that suggests it even exists.

However, if you do find time between slating Sony and hyping non-existent products please feel free to drop some links here, thanks for reading, if you even did.
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NeverEnding1989  +   583d ago
"are you trying to say that because Move is a little similar to Wii controllers"

LMAO. Come on, buddy. It's the exact same thing.

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GalacticEmpire  +   583d ago
OMG the PS3 is a black box that makes things appear on my telly, it's totally copying my 1989 VHS player! SONY YOU ARE SHAMELESS! /s
Chaostar  +   584d ago
Doh reply fail, sorry.

Might as well write something interesting... erm... let's see...

Like I said in the blog, I think it would be a mistake to include Kinect with the nextbox as the price would drive customers toward competing products. Instead they should focus on hardware reliability, standard HDD use, Rechargeable controllers right out of the box. Also, although it may be a hard pill to swallow, they need to adopt blu-ray as they can no longer afford to ignore the HD movie disc standard and developers are pushing the limits of DVDs beyond a joke now. I would also like to see them find a way to provide basic online gaming for free; Sony do it, Nintendo do it, every PC does it why not MS too?

For Sony I'd like to see a console built with developers firmly in mind, which they seem to have gotten the idea if Vita is something to go on. I'd like improved triggers on the controllers too, the DS3 is almost perfect and with this slight modification it could be the best controller without question in my eyes. Some stuff I'm assuming will be implemented for certain like wireless N, faster drive read speeds etc. Some things I'm crossing my fingers for like Android integration, background downloads for games/patches, cross game chat, greater social features, quick boots times etc.

Either way I hope both companies look back on the mistakes of this generation and work to improve on every aspect of our favourite hobby.
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Kalowest  +   583d ago
"they need to adopt blu-ray"
Of course that's going to happen.
MS and Sony do alot of business together, why do ppl forget that.
"I would also like to see them find a way to provide basic online gaming for free"
MS could've been and done that; Even though Xbox is MS bottom-line, XBL brings in a good bit of change.
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RuleofOne343  +   583d ago
I would also like to see them find a way to provide basic online gaming for free; Sony do it, Nintendo do it, every PC does it why not MS too?

See your point, but let's not forget people have been paying for live for sometime now & like any company or person why would you turn away money.

Crazy Ex. if a female friend you know or a girl you know is providing you w/ sex without you having to buy dinner or do anything out of the ordinary why would you jeopardize that.
Chaostar  +   583d ago
I couldn't care less about what's better for MS's bottom line what's important is that more people get to experience the online portions of their games without having to pony up more money. As gamers shouldn't we want more people playing online?

I can understand the justification of paying for a service that you believe to be greater than free alternatives but I don't understand the reluctance of people to want a basic online service offered alongside this for free. People who are happy to pay for the extra features would continue to do so would they not?
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Godmars290  +   583d ago
MS went out of their way to make the Xbox 360 look cheaper than the PS3, and if they get the chance will do so again. They also have the leasing deal thing going for them as well so expect they'll be offing that as well.

Regardless, there'll be tons of advertising aimed at making people miss any fine details which they should probably pay attention to.
edonus  +   583d ago
If MS doesnt include kinect 2 with the nextbox they would have missed out on a major opportunity to dominate the market. Lots of core gamers live in a bubble were the only things they see pay attention to or care about is what is said in that bubble. (much like FOX news and Right wing radio). They ignore this thing called reality. The reality for kinect is that it is a major success its extends the audience and opens the market and is actually not expensive at all. Even if they upgraded the parts it would still be very cheap. In fact including Kinect with the next box would save on extra packaging and shipping.
Kinect being standard would mean devs ill have all the access to use it and make 360 games unique. Not to mention focus on making games instead of everything being AAA masterpieces. Casuals gamers play for experience not to satisfy the critic at IGN. Those ames will be cheaper and easier to sale in the right eco system.
And were did you get the idea the surface is struggling everyone I know that has one and every review I read loves it. They have moved well over 600k to 1 million units and are only available through MS stores and online. I as going to get one but I had a deal at Target for ad Ipad but I am going o get the pro eventually. And windows phones have been very well received its just that the competition had such a head start. It has always been said that once the windows phones are perfected and become more normal they will be a major contender. There is nothing wrong with windows phones.
Anyway the point is kinect 2 standard is a major weapon that is tried and true and if included stabard it would be something none of the other systems have an answer for.
GalacticEmpire  +   583d ago
Microsoft’s Surface shaping up to be a flop, orders reportedly cut in half
http://bgr.com/2012/11/29/m...

Sales of Microsoft Surface tablets flop in the US
http://www.theaustralian.co...

Is Surface already flatlining?
http://www.gizmag.com/micro...

I don't think anyone here was questioning the quality of the thing, just that it hasn't really taken off like microsoft expected and they have to be disappointed with how its going. They must have spent a FORTUNE developing and marketing that thing, their investors must be biting their nails.

As for your main point, I get what you're saying that those who loved Kinect will love a bundled and supported kinect 2 but what about those who don't love Kinect? What if you don't want to pay the extra cash for something you don't care about? Should those people just buy PS4s?
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edonus  +   582d ago
The surface is doing fine, most these articles are very skewed views keep in mind the Surface just came out it has to blaze its own path it doing as good as the Ipad mini. Not to mention those that are waiting for the Pro. What MS learned over the years is that the game is long and coming in to a competitive market takes patients and poise. Zune failed because they didnt have a strong enough infrastructure to compete with Ipods. By tying Windows8 to Surface it eliminated that problem. The only problem Surface really has is that it isnt carried I retail store and through a cell phone company. Lets look at Surface a year or 2 from now I think it will do fine.

As for kinect, your logic is broken if it comes standard you are not paying extra. That like saying since every ps3 came with a hard drive or a blu ray you payed extra for them. The reality is Kinect will be there if you have some kind of irrational hatred then you probably werent going to buy a MS console anyway. For normal people it will enhance there system whether they choose to use it or not. As standard they will probably experiment with it here and there and they may one day enjoy it, if not then dont use it and just play the system like they play it today.

I feel MS has learned what they want to learn and know they can deliver something that will appeal the market. Kinect 2 will be like comparing xboxlive on the first xbox to xboxlive on the 360
tehpees3  +   583d ago
http://thatschurch.com/wp-c...

This is why I have said time and time again that the next Xbox is only set up to disappoint people. They aren't bundling Kinect just to lure in the casuals. They are focusing a lot on these party/casual games rather then focusing on games that their fanbase want.

It will remain an extra but what you should be concerned about is what they believe you want.

Rather then give you a new Conker, proper Banjo platformer, Killer Instinct, Perfect Dark, Battletoads, Jet Force Gemini, Kameo, they would rather give you a Kinect Sports sequel.

Take a look at this picture and you will see what I mean. Microsoft is arguably concentrating too much in making Xbox this "all in one" box then putting first party exclusives.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

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