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XBL may not be what its worth......PART 2.....
128 days 9 hours ago | by: Coolrah
So I'm back......and E3 brought alot of good surprises for us. Xbox live users will get easier direct access to their facebook and myspace accounts from your xbox live dashboard. Now I know some people are complete drones when it comes to these websites and spend hours upon hours on facebook on myspace and its utterly sad. (Then again where mindless gamer drones so we can't talk) But I digress.

This particular blog talks about if XBL is really all whats its cracked up to be and why we should even pay for it when its direct competitor, the PSN, in some ways offers the same or even more to some people in terms of content or user interface selection and easy-to-useness. Now in my other blog xbox live numbers were sitting at between 17-18 mil users. The lastest release of numbers for xbox gold and silver live members added up to roughly above 20 mil. Thats a 2 mil increase although we don't know if their silver or gold but its safe to say microsoft is pleased at the increase. The only real dilema was that the article also had 360 at 30 milllion consoles sold. Thats more or less 10 million people of all of xbox customers not signed up to live. I mean thats still 30-35% people not paying for it. Now if you looked at psn numbers they were actually higher than the amount of consoles sold which further proves the point that since its free then more peope will do it. Also alot of psn users have multiple accounts solely for the other region psn stores such as the UK or the JP PSN stores as they offer different content  across regions.

After all this I still don't see how one online service is leaps and bounds better than the other. Mainly for the sole fact that they roughly have the same amount of content. You could argue XBL has cross ingame chat or global ingame music. You could also argue PSN has Game Sharing with 3 other PS3's or the Web Browser. Either way, I personally in my "opinion" think that you shouldn't have to pay for live. Mainly for the fact that for online gaming which is what they were solely created for they both excel. I mean people try to argue that XBL has a better connection since its on a P2P server. But if you use a good strong reliable Wired connection like me you won't be able to tell the difference. A good example is how KZ2 hanldes its online mode (which I love btw... not that if the "host leaves then the entire game ends" BS that happens on COD4 or Halo3) Amazing graphics and 32 people all shooting and battleing it out and theres no lag. So I mean it largely depends on your preferences and online connection but I think its foolish to continue paying for something after you've forked over 200 bucks and then have to pay 50 bucks a year to play with my friends.

So Discuss.....again....

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the_only_lol_king - 134 days 7 hours ago
1 - agree
this is why I wont get a 360.
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gamesR4fun - 126 days 15 hours ago
1.1 - xbl is a solid service
just wish i could say the same about the console sigh (yeh im bitter bought 2 of em n there both sitting on my shelf out of warranty)

but honestly imo psn is better 4 games dedicated servers rock. Cant say i use the browser much tho its handy for dling new skins n mods for games like ut3. N its free sure i wish we had cross game voice n global ingame music but not so much that id pay for em...
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a_squirrel - 126 days 9 hours ago
1.2 -
Good blog

Stupid microsoft ripping me off!

(I already knew that, I just wanted you all else to)
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Breakfast - 128 days 7 hours ago
2 - I predict...
30+ comments

...none of which will describe how dumb this blog is.
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Jinxstar - 128 days 6 hours ago
2.1 -
What are you doing here? It's dinner time

My dilemma with live is much more detailed. See my pricewars blog if your up for a read. Good blog though. Game on coolrah.
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hoo_mook - 128 days 6 hours ago
2.2 - WoW...
...as in the game not the expression.

i'm gonna start bringing WoW into every discussion i see about xbox live gold fees. somebody please explain to me why nobody slams WoW but goes ape-shizer over xbox live gold membership.

coolrah, you and everybody else who insults gold members for paying for online play better not have a WoW account(s). that would be hypocrisy.

finally, we all wish gaming was free on 360. unfortunately it's not and it's not gonna change. so 360 online gamers pay the fee, some happily, some begrudgingly and some indifferently. it's just part of owning a 360 (if you like playing online). i'd take free in an instant. who wouldn't?
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Jinxstar - 127 days 22 hours ago
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Yeah hoo mook. Basically because WoW is an MMO. It's constantly getting huge "free" updates and maintaining those servers and everything is a 24 hour a day job. Don't get me wrong they are making a killing anyway but yeah... Also with WoW thats normally the only thing people play if they are into it. i know I had 175 days logged when I quit(FYI that 175x24 hours of play time. No console game I ever played made it to a 17th of that amount of replay. COD4 came close)

Also the big thing is. XBL's closest competitior is PSN and thats a free service with(Believe it or not) nearly identical features. For every bonus or minus on one system you can find someting on par with the other. The main difference is XBL has a fee. I feel one of the main reasons FF14 is so far a PS3 exclusive is because then Square can charge a monthly fee. XBL would cause more drama.... i.e. Like keys said below. A fee on top of a fee would just be plain annoying...
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Raf1k1 - 127 days 12 hours ago
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I agree with Jinxstar though not sure about the FF14 thing though
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keysy420 - 128 days 2 hours ago
3 - agree
im done paying for live the only game i want to play is splinter cell and not splinter cell online
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keysy420 - 128 days 2 hours ago
4 - hoo mook
to answer you question its the same with every mmo you know that you have to pay for the game to play online. but you dont have to pay to use the service for the game that you have to pay for online get what im saying. paying for xbl is a double whammy. id pay for wow on ps3 without a problem.
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GiantEnemyCrab - 127 days 23 hours ago
5 -
"XBL may not be what its worth"

And he uses the word "may" because he doesn't own the console and hasn't used the service.

We going through this again? Why don't you PS3 folks just play PSN and stop trying to tell XBL gamers there service isn't worth it when you have no idea what you're talking about.

And it's not even "roughly" the same amount of content on both services. XBL has more. And it's not just a couple features like cross game chat/text, even if Sony had those tomorrow it would still be missing a laundry list of features. XBL has been around a lot longer, it's a more mature service and it shows.

Also with just a little bit of searching you can find deals on XBL subs. I know some people who have never payed $50 a year for live and they've been on the service for longer than I have.

Your argument is just as weak as part1.
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Coolrah - 127 days 18 hours ago
7 - lol
Ok to crab I use the word "may" because not everyone will agree and I am posing a question. Its funny that you say I never had a 360 or a XBL acc though cause used to have a 360's (AS IN MORE THAN 1) but they all broke and I sold my last one....Secondly try messaging mofouler on XBL you'll find that it doesn't have its gold membership any more. So stfu all you nay sayers. Its funny how you spout all this content and features so please either pm me or make a list of all these features that XBL has over ps3....Better yet make a list of all the content aswell. Hey Crab can you rent bluray movies and watch em on your 360? no? aww thats too bad...(more content my ass)

Ok as Jinxstar said earlier WoW is an MMO which means it needs to maintain its servers and such as people receive free content and updates. Also which makes WoW so much different is because its a game. Its either you pay for it or you don't pay for it. Its a simple choice. With XBL its on a console you already paid several hundred dollars for and you get basic gimped features and they force you to pay for something YOU ALREADY PAID FOR. With WoW its a simple choice. XBL theres strings attached. If you don't see the difference then I feel sorry for you.

Secondly 50 dollars a year adds up. That money could go to something more meaningful like I dunno a game or maybe an addition to my house or somethin that will last me for more than a year. No instead I am paying for something that I can get somewhere else for free. Its like buying a 50 dollar game when you know your best friend will give you the same game for free. It defies all logic.

Also the main article has a point.......how is it that there are "supposedly" 30 mil 360's sold and yet there are only 20 mil people with gold or silver acc's on live....Makes your question those sales numbers don't it? And crab you may think I am wrong but 10 mil people think the same way as I do....OR microsofts sales numbers are Bs....either way I win you lose...

P.s. I don't play WoW as its retarded compared to GW. GW gives you the full game "with options to pay for extra but not game changing or deal breaking content" Its just there for the really hardcore people. XBL its game changing.
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The Xbox Empire - 127 days 3 hours ago
7.1 -
ummm no. Is that you up in the picture?
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GiantEnemyCrab - 126 days 5 hours ago
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If you owned an Xbox you wouldn't be making this comparison. If you are such an ex-XBL gamer than you should well know what many features XBL has like Matchmaking+TrueSkill, a healthy feedback and reporting system with rep and segregated gaming zones. Things like MSN integration, Recommend games to friends, community games, demos for every single XBLA game/community game, true presence where I can see exactly what my friends are playing and where they are at in that game, achievements that are for every single game not fragmented. I can go on if you like because yes there is more.

"how is it that there are "supposedly" 30 mil 360's sold and yet there are only 20 mil people with gold or silver acc's on live.."

Because not everyone has an internet connection and many families with children that own an Xbox simply won't allow it to be connected at all. Then of course there are many that just like the single player experience and don't even have a desire to go online and game. This would be the case if they had a PS3 or 360. Not everyone is compelled by the online component.

This isn't rocket science here my friend.
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sGIBMBR - 127 days 17 hours ago
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You make a blog about how XBL is not worth what it is, imo to determine how good a service is, you would think, you need to have an XBOX and XBOX LIVE to make that assumption, the fact you say "myspace" is coming to XBOX shows you have little knowledge about XBOX and XBOX LIVE. It is infact twitter and facebook coming to XBL, please do some research before judging a service you clearly have no knowledge over.

I have nothing against either service, but i do get frustrated at when folks are telling people that XBL is not worth its value.

XBL is still the dominant online gaming service for console gaming, and i don't see that changing for quite sometime. The fact SOOOO many people are willing and do pay for XBL, means it is worth every penny, and theres nothing no ps3 fantard can do about it.

P.S. If you don't want to pay for XBL, its simple... Don't! Just don't try and tell people its not worth its value!
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Coolrah - 127 days 17 hours ago
8.1 - Jesus?
Can I make a simple mistake and get facebook and myspace confused a little bit? obviously you didn't read my post above as you would see I POSTED MY "EXPIRED" XBL ACC. But no matter I only hate the service as its not worth paying for. You say that its the dominant online service yet its not. PSN has more members cause its free and its easily comparable to XBL. Steam has more members as its free. Xfire has more members and its free.....So XBL is not the dominant service. Its a good service but not worth a penny when something comparably better is right around the corner.
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NineteenSeventyNine - 127 days 16 hours ago
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@ Coolrah

How is PSN better? Tell me. Juts because you don't have to pay for it? I didn't have to pay to play Runescape back in the day so by your logic we can determin that Runescape is better than WoW.

Give me reasons on why PSN is the better online service. Does it have more features? No. Does it have more content? No. Does it have more game to play online? No! The only things that PSN has over XBL is Home and the Web Browser (oh look, I have a PC with an internet connection).

And don't just respond by calling me a fanboy! Atleast I know I'm one.
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Jinxstar - 126 days 17 hours ago
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It's apples and oranges man. But if u want examples how's about play create share. Mods for free in games like UT3 or 64 players online currently in R2. And 256 coming within a yearbas demo'd live on stage up and running flawlessly. Has xbl even gotten numbers up to warhawk standards yer I.e. 32? Oh and it's not pay to play u just need the game

Also sorry if my spelling is all jacked up i' m at work on my iPhone typing this. So I can't really elaborate too much but u wanted examples and there are 3 pretty significant ones IMO
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GiantEnemyCrab - 126 days 5 hours ago
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Yeah Coolrah why don't you make a blog post just listing what PSN has over XBL and then we can all decide where you are coming from. Jinxster even got you started.

XBL has dedicated/P2P games PSN has dedicated/P2P games. XBL's largest player count right now is 50 with Frontlines. XBL has an MMO in Phantasy Star with who knows what kind of player count. It is up to the dev's if they want huge players. Sony is running it's first party with dedicated servers but most everyone else is running P2P just like XBL.

I can list 3 things PSN has over XBL.

1. Sharing content
2. No Cost
3. More dedicated servers for first party
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dagreylion - 127 days 17 hours ago
9 - Great Article
Good job and don't worry about the naysayers, someone will always have something negative to say. The PSN service is great and has alot of good features compared to XBL. The only difference is the 50 bucks PSN users save. Hell, that equals to another game, or 3 PSN titles. Do the math XBOTS
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NineteenSeventyNine - 127 days 17 hours ago
10 - Wow, so you haven't learned yet?
First of all
""host leaves then the entire game ends" BS that happens on COD4 or Halo3"

Sorry, pal. That doesn't happen in Halo 3. Ooops. Just goes to show you're just another PS3 fanboy talking out of his anus.

As far as content goes, XBL has loads more. More games for its arcade, more movies to download, and more online games to play.

As for features XBL has cross game chat, voice messaging, the party chat system, universal in-game music and probably more seeing as how I don't have my list that I made in one of my obsessive frenzies.

And seriously, why does no one ever mention the main reason people play online? For the the games! I personally pay for XBL so I can play or have access to Halo 3, GoW, L4D and many others. Sure, PSN has some good games to play online but once I got to the rank of General in KZ2 in three days it lost my attention.

How does the amount of people using a service determin quality? How does that work again? Unless you had some other reason for putting the subscription numbers in your blog. . .

@ Jinxstar

XBL constantly gets free updates too. Good. Now I've used your own moronic logic to justify paying for XBL.

Back @ coolrah

If you paid 1100$ for a MAc Book and THEN had to fork over more money to play WoW the what is the difference between that and XBL? Guess what, there isn't one! Does the WoW subscription fee not add up? Is it not eight dollars (Canadian) to play a month? Does it not cost 96 dollars to play a year? Seriously, argument that is used against XBL can be applied to WoW. I think HipHopGamer is hiring for some now bloggers, so maybe you'll wanna check that out (not a rascist comment just to be clear).

Think of it this way guys, we payed extra for the PS3 for its better hardware so why wouldn't you pay for XBL since it's a better service?

Now I know this is gonna take a while to sink in, but just give it day or so before you respond to this comment. You wouldn't want to make yourself look even more dumb, would you? :D
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Coolrah - 127 days 16 hours ago
10.1 - "ownage commencing"
Ok to start this off. PSN is better in one sole way "I SAVE MONEY" money for more games. We are gamers are not? So wouldn't you want more money for more games? Seriously simple logic...

Ok actually Halo 3 does have what I said. When the host leaves the entire match restarts and starts with a new host so yes it does end and restart like I said so I know what I am talking about. Go ahead check my "expired" live acc and you'll see halo 3 acheivements and ranks so I know what I am talking about.

Seriously I keep hearing XBL has more content but in reality no one has ever showed me all this fabled content. Last time I checked PSN and XBL has roughly the same amount of content that was actually worth something. Secondly can you play BLuray straight from netflix? on your ps3? NO. See there I just found a feature that ps3 has over 360....360 has ingame party chat....BIG WOOP...I can use my gaming rig which is right next to my ps3 and have all my friends PC+PS3 all on ventrilo...which dominates all over your worthless party chat. You say ingame music I have my comp which plays all my music in a easy to set playlist on Itunes(unlike xbox's playlist options which phail "hard") on some amazaing surround sound. So yeah I really am missing out.

Oh yeah and this is how I know you really don't have KZ2....Its not like they added 3 more hardcore ranks smart one....again some simple research online and you could have saved yourself the butt hurt.

What do you mean the amount of people using the service doesn't mean quality....OBVIOUSLY ALOT OF PEOPLE LIKE IT. Thats like saying that since alot of people bought halo that doesn't mean its a good game? again you phail...

The main reason people play online for ps3 is for kz2,r2,MSG4,LBP,GT5P,Warhawk, and many others....Do any of 360's exclusives have 60 people playing at 1 time. Do any of your 360 exclusives have a game where unparalleled are in its multiplayer and still have 32vs32 people all playing at 1 time on large levels? NO? oh wait THATS ONLY ON PS3. NOT 360. and guess what....ITS FREE...where you gotta pay for less....

and no the main difference bewteen WOW and XBL is that XBL comes with a console....first of all your stupid for using a mac as a gaming tool as they phail hard. Secondly you don't need WOW to complete the entire computer experience. There are other choices other than WoW. With XBL.....thats all you get...So yes it is different....
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NineteenSeventyNine - 127 days 13 hours ago
10.2 -
So, PSN is better because you save money? So the Xbox is better than the Ps3 because you save money? I REALLY hope you answer me that one.

And that was a nice way to try and recover from the Halo 3 topic. You said the game ENDS in your blog (which is wrong). It pauses. So thank you for correcting yourself and admitting you were wrong. :D

More content? How about the GTA expansion? How about the Tomb Raider DLC? How about XBL got the Fallout 3 DLC FIRST. And since DVDs are cheaper than Blu ray, I save money so DVDs are superior. Right? "PSN is better in one sole way "I SAVE MONEY"" Also nice how you ignored me when I said that there are more game in XBL arcade and more movies to download and more content for each Xbox retail game, of which there are over 600. Nearly 300 more than the PS3. So suck it, XBL has far more content.

So, in order for you to use the same features that are on XBL you have to jump through several hoopes using your computer when XBL users can easily access said features (party chat, etc). Want to see me spin PSN features? Home? I can go outside. . . See? You can't devalue features just because you have others means to similar ones.

You're right about Killzone 2. I don't own it. I rented it. Check out my PSN tag if you don't believe me. The-Mothman. I have the General Trophy and two Honour Rank trophies. What was that word again? Oh yeah, "FAIL".

"What do you mean the amount of people using the service doesn't mean quality....OBVIOUSLY ALOT OF PEOPLE LIKE IT"

Alot of people like Britney Spears too. See how dumb I just made you look?

"ITS FREE...where you gotta pay for less"

Thanks for that, Sherlock. And no, my comparison of WoW and XBL are no different. You buy an XBox and have to buy XBL, you buy a Mac and you have to buy WoW AND pay near 100 bucks (Canadian) a year. 100 bucks for ONE game PLUS internet. XBL covers almost every game on the Xbox (save for PSO).

You keep trying to respond with scary words like "phail" but you just keep making yourself look dumber and dumber. Seriously, who says phail? See how I just disproved almost everything you said? THAT'S how you win an argument. You should be taking notes.

And by the way, Halo 3 > Killzone 2. 'Nuff said.
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Jinxstar - 126 days 17 hours ago
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Dude in your reply to me... Do u pay 5 or so $ a month... Then it's not really free is it. Wow is different because of the property rights to characters involved and "is a hood of light a owned piece of equipment" ... Even longer debate there . Anyway. Dude please enjoy what u want I really don't mind. I'll have a long talk about it tomorrow with you if u like.

However amount of games does not = quality of games. Psn to me just has the better titles. The. Only fame on x l I ever liked was carvasonne...
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lh_swe - 87 days 23 hours ago
10.4 - That DLC is not a result of LIVE
MS has the money to pay for that without being d***ish enough to put a fee on their service, the fact is they did it because they can not because the end result would be that it would be better, the service would be exactly the same if MS didn't charge for it, go ahead and argue that and see how much you like to buy in MS excuses for implementing LIVE with a fee as opposed to making it free.
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Mc187 - 127 days 16 hours ago
11 - LOL
Funny stuff, the comments I mean, I honestly don't think people would pay for LIVE if it wasn't worth it to a degree, and I'm sure people love the fact that PSN is free. But I bet you that multi console owners would hate to pay for both.

Btw Crab I like the new avatar, but isn't that a lobster, lol?
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a_squirrel - 126 days 8 hours ago
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lol
I think it's funny

Xbox guys seem to say
We dont NEED:
Bluray, Bluetooth, HDDs, motion controls, etc. and freak out at us because of the price

You get what you pay for, unless it's from microsoft ;)
(windows vista anyone?)

I'm going to compare features

Ps3 $400-------------------------- ----------------Xbox 360 $300
3% failure rate-------------------------- --------33 % failure rate
Built in 80GB HDD (1tb $150)--------------60gb HDD ($150 for 120gb addon)
Bluray----------------------- -----------------------HD DVD Drive (discontinued +$100)
Bluetooth-------------------- ---------------------none
Wireless--------------------- ---------------------Wireless Addon (+$100)
Wireless Six-Axis Rumble($60)-----------Wireless Controller ($60)
Built in Recharable-------------------- --------Batteries AA batteries/Charge pack ($20)
Online Service (free)--------- -----------------Online Service ($60/year)

Little features
Remote Play
Web Browser
Folding Home
Home
blahblah blah

I'm saying that Ps3 IS worth it's price, and if it isn't worth it's price, it's worth more than it's price.
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GiantEnemyCrab - 126 days 5 hours ago
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LOL its hard to find a good crustacean picture these days. :)
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butterfinger - 125 days 12 hours ago
11.3 - Wow...
if you are going to do a comparison, you should at least be objective about it. XBOXLive for 13 months is $49.99, the %33 failure rate was an estimate not agreed upon with anyone but PS3 fanboys, you can't put a 1TB HDD in your PS3 (it won't recognize it) although it is still cheaper to upgrade than the 360. I personally believe that the PS3 is the better value, but I've never felt the need to have a bluetooth headset while using my 360 (by the way the 360 comes with a headset, how much is that official PS3 bluetooth one again?XD). As it stands right now with both consoles, the 360 is just a better GAMING system ATM. The community seems alive when you're on XBL, and it's nice to be able to talk to your teammates while playing online. The PS3 is better suited to be the center of your living room, though.
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hoo_mook - 127 days 14 hours ago
12 - coolrah, you knew this was going to happen
you weren't trying to start an intelligent discourse. it's pretty obvious that you HATE xbox and xbox live. to each his own.

jinxstar thanks for your civil reply. i don't see the difference between buying an MMO and then having to pay a fee to play online and buying a console w/games and then having to pay a fee to play online as well. the amount of money you pay between just a game(s) and console plus games is OBVIOUS but THE PRINCIPLE REMAINS THE SAME - initial purchase then paying monthly/annually. you said yourself that if WoW came to PS3 that you'd get it and i know you wouldn't be alone.

that means you have a system with online capability, you're already paying for broadband and now you have to pay extra monies to be a part of on online community. double whammy indeed. it's the same as xbox live.

my main issue with coolrah's blog is that he seems to believe xbox live gold members have all been hoodwinked. we know gaming is free on other platforms. this may come as a shock but some people really like their 360 - online fees and all. i know - it's stunning!

so just to reiterate my perspective: the principle of buying a game and then paying online community fees is not new and it's not unique to the xbox platform. whether you bought just one MMO or an entire console makes no difference. it's 6 or 1/2 dozen.

p.s.
If PSN started charging what would you do?
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Power_Of_Flops_ - 127 days 14 hours ago
13 -
Comparing Live to WoW is a very weak argument. WoW is a huge game, Live only mainly provides online matching service.

Fact is PSN is roughly the same as Live, it's better in some aspects like lack of network lag, the capacity to play with more players (64 or even 256 players with Mag), Home, music videos with VidZone...

Nothing justifies Live costs so much when PSN is free today, except Live users are dumb enough to pay... and still have ads on their interface, unlike on PSN.
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hoo_mook - 127 days 13 hours ago
13.1 - I disagree...
It's not a weak point of view. It's a valid argument because THE PRINCIPLE is the same. You make an initial outlay of cash and then spend more cash to be involved in the community. Please argue against the PRINCIPLE.

I'm not talking about lag, player capacity or console specific features. I'm speaking, again, to the PRINCIPLE of paying for the hardware and/or IP and then paying for community involvement in addition.

Coolrah's rant is about the value of paying for online community involvement. Instead of listing the positives of your console's network service please reply to my argument.
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Raf1k1 - 127 days 12 hours ago
13.2 - Power_Of_Flops
it's not that Live users are dumb enough to pay but that they don't have a choice if they want to play online. I'm sure that if there was a way to play online without Live plenty of people would do it.

I do see paying for WoW and Live as being different. As far as I know you can pay for Live and not get any extra "free" content whereas you can pay for WoW and keep getting content at no extra cost (content that you will most likely make use of).

edit: Not sure why people are getting so deep into comparing Live and WoW. I thought this was Live vs PSN? Anyway, as two services you have one which is Live that you pay for to use and getting no extra playable content (you do get extra features every now and again I'll admit) and the other is WoW which you pay for to use but also get extra content periodically (and extra features every now and again).

Other than that, ones a service allowing internet access for a console while the others a service allowing people to play WoW on official servers (you don't have to pay a penny if you play on private servers btw).

I think there should be less focus on Live vs WoW here and more on Live vs PSN.
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Coolrah - 127 days 13 hours ago
14 - Sigh I don't hate xbox live
I actually wanted a civilized conversation but you guys started being aggressive and spouting sony fanboy nonsense,I only retaliated. Secondly yes I do have a grudge against xbox. I mean its not like I bought the elite first spent basically 700 dollars altogether (excluding games) Then it RROD's. Then I get it repaired. Then i get a disc drive error where you have to pay for that. 100$ and now thats 800 dollars plus games....I am a pretty unhappy customer. And all because Microsoft rushed their system out. I got a 60 gb ps3 with BC and it hasn't given problems since. Only froze twice on fallout 3 after about 15 hours of Gameplay. Thats my grudge against the 360.

I also have a grudge against paying for something I already went to the store and paid for. The concept is retarded and just suckering people. And No hoo moo its not the same principle. YOU have a choice to buy WoW. If you pay for it you get the entire game....If you don't pay for it you don't get it. With 360 I pay 200 dollars for the system and more money for games and I still don't have the entire features. Then I have to pay an extra 50 to be able to play against my friends and get the full experience for 1 year. And then its not even fully reliable. Thats BS in my book. The ps3 its more reliable and its free for everywhere and it will always be cheaper.

I am not saying anyone is hoodwinked. I am posing a valid question and that is "is XBL really worth it" You can say it is and I can say it isn't but it may or may not change someones mind. Either way "I think" paying for something you already paid large amounts of money for is stupid.

If psn charged then I wouldn't pay for it. I'd become a full time PC gamer.Anyway no more bubbles for me....PM Me if anyone would like to discuss more.

P.s. ok.......you can't compare an online service with a few features and some addons that I pay 50 dollars for to a full blown game. You just can't....Wow is a MMO RPG.....A Gold membership on XBL is really a gip when you only get a few more features for 50 bucks....
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NineteenSeventyNine - 127 days 13 hours ago
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It's good that you admit that you're completely biased (I know I am).

SO you have a problem with paying for something you already paid for? Like playing online in WoW? You mean how you bought the game, already have internet yet you still have to pay 100 bucks a year for it? You mean the same aspects that you attribute to XBL cannot be applied to WoW? Like, buying a PC then the game and THEN the fee. Kinda like how you pay for the Xbox, the game AND XBL. It's exactly the same. Only XBL covers almost ALL XBox games UNLIKE WoW fees. So, who's REALLY getting ripped off? XBL users or WoW users?

Oh, look at that. Out of bubbles. Too bad. I was really looking forward to your next colossal wrongosity. Oh well. I guess you'll just have to make part three!
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hoo_mook - 127 days 13 hours ago
14.2 - I can accept your POV...
...because you had a rough time with your xbox. It's well documented that you were not alone in your experience. Boycotting a manufacturer based on poor customer service is perfectly acceptable.

However I respectfully do not accept your explanation in the differences between the MMO & Xbox live online fees. It's still paying to play online no matter which way you slice it (on top of our overpriced broadband service). That includes "full" experience and all. If you pay once for your game or console or both and pay again for online community then there is no difference. Gamers buy WoW knowing that they're gonna have to pay again. Xbox owners know that when they buy an xbox and games that they're gonna have to pay again.

On a personal note I think you should try xbox again. Come back to the darkside....we have cookies.
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Jinxstar - 126 days 11 hours ago
14.3 -
1979

the big thing you are missing is wow is not like psn. Wow is not like x l either. Wow is like an mmo while online gaming services are different... Xbl is like psn though. Both have movies. Online games. Tv shows. Dlc. Cod4... Much the same in many ways... Except one is free. One has 256 players. Shared community content. Mod support. Bluray support with bdlive. Browser. Many other things too. The one you pay for has cross game chat and... Music sharing... Look there is no point trying to convince u. U asked for things psn offers xbl doesn't. I provided them. U asked for reasons and I gave them. How about u tell us what xbl offers besides cross game chat and "more content" because quite honeslty 99% of that content is junk. Braid, castle crashers and carcassone are good but everything else is bland generic Junk IMO. Tell me what compares to flower, flow, warhawk, tekken 5, final fantasy 7 metal gear solid or any of the pixel junk games just off the top of my head. If u can do all that maybe u have a point. U can't though because simply put there is not as much original content or anythinglike that on xbl
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Jinxstar - 125 days 12 hours ago
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Truth is Hoo mook

The XBL and WOW experiences are just not comparable. They are on totally different levels/systems/what have you. PSN and XBL are comparable. Why? because they provide similar content/options. At least 99x closer then WoW and XBL. It truly is apples and oranges. It's like Leasing and buying a SUV and a Smart car. To each his own but when comparing PSN to XBL it's more along the lines of "Free ford fusion" vs "Monthly fee for Prius" Most normal people would get the free ford car given those 2 choices. Granted it may not be as fast but you can't really complain about free... however the Prius vs SUV is not even in the same ballpark especially when they both have a fee... If you don't want to accept that example thats totally up to you but it is how I see it. I'll take free over pay to play nearly the exact same content(in some ways much much more content) then paying. Because honestly 1 year of XBL, cost wise, is a game I would be missing out on... People call me a cheap bastard but it's one more game I get to play free online...
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hoo_mook - 125 days 5 hours ago
14.5 - Jinxstar. No sir.
THEY ARE COMPARABLE BECAUSE THEY BOTH REQUIRE YOU TO PAY TO PLAY YOUR GAME(S)ONLINE. THIS IS A GLARING SIMILARITY BETWEEN WoW & XBL. In that regard it's definitely apples to apples.I understand that XBL offers more features/content than WoW's online segment. I understand that XBL & PSN are comparable services. Charging for access to online play or rather the perceived value of that access is the crux of coolrah's argument.

My response is basically that charging access to an online community is nothing new and definitely not unique to MS. PEOPLE HAVE, AND WILL CONTINUE TO PAY MONEY TO HAVE ACCESS TO AN ONLINE COMMUNITY. WoW is just a great example in support of that idea.

The important thing to remember is that Coolrah's topic is subjective. Apparently to some people, XBL gold membership is definitely "what it's worth" and they will continue to support the service.
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Jinxstar - 124 days 10 hours ago
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So by your analogy I go out and buy a apple and I buy a sports car.... Because I paid for the 2 things that have a connection i.e. they bring me joy in some way or another. They are comparable? Because essentially thats what your saying. ANYTHING someone pays for that has even the slightest connection to anything else that is payed for is totally relevant to argue about? Like a haircut and a suit can be compared. Or a Movie ticket and a airplane ticket. or a concert and a case of beer... Just because you pay for something and then pay for something else and they have a relationship in some way. In this case some form of online service. They are essentially comparable? I mean a E trade fee vs a sirius radio subscription can't really be compared... right?Now a sirius radio and XM radio fee. Thats closer. And Etrade and a 'Choose your online bank" fee. Those are similar. WoW and XBL are the apple and the sports car. XBL and PSN are Sirius and XM.

Once again we don't have to see eye to eye on this bro but thats how I feel. PSN offers. Essentially more in terms of quality and options to me as a consumer then another service(XBL) that is pay to play... WoW is access to a single game in a living dynamic world not even available on PSN or XBL...

Now I am really not trying to belittle you or anything. You have every right to speak your mind but really man. I don't even know why your comparing WoW to XBL. I mean I guess it's a subscription based service... Thats about all they have in common. so is my AT&T account and my game informer magazines but they aren't really comparable for what they bring me... Either way i played wow for a long time and comparing it to XBL isn't doing much for your argument bro...

you seem like a smart guy. Much smarter then 1979 imo but really bro. Do you really 'get what you pay for" over PSN? I mean cross game chat and music and.... Minus a browser, mouse/keyboard support, mods, sharing(LBP, Mod nation racer), more dedicated servers. A ton of games that aren't flash based, home, folding at home, remote play... I could go on bro but you see what you like. XBL is a fine service. Truly it is but not enough to warrant my money. Hence why I no longer own a 360. Look at my blog Pricewars like I said above if you want to know why. I had a lot of issues with MS customer support and nearly no drama at all ever with Sony... I support those who support me with free features, good quality and everything else. Especially when it's all free...
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Heartnet - 127 days 13 hours ago
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Tbh PSN has it better here.. Buying a PS3 in the long run is alot cheaper than getting an xbox with online.. And people Chose to get WoW and pay for it.. If ur smart ull go on a Private server and get the game for free... But with Xbox U have to pay for it to even talk to ur friends in a party.. thats just foolish.. I own an xbox and have yet to get a ps3 but am getting one soon... so yeh
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outlawlife - 127 days 11 hours ago
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the title of this is mind boggling in itself

clearly the author knows not of grammar nor its conventions

the stupidity amazes me

talking about the number of users not signed up, you realize not everyone in the world even has access to live? either they don't have broadband connections or live isn't available to them

and the psn number...sony counts psn accounts, that means multiple accounts per system...the numbers are meaningless on both sides

al;l you are doing is buying into and comparing marketing strategies

any argument you try to make from those 2 points fails immediately

you did the same thing on another blog before and I pointed it out then, you need intelligent and valid points before you can try to spur an intelligent discussion

and before you try doing any of that work on that title so it actually makes sense please

i'm not going to go into the how badly you bastardized the english language on that one, that is for you to discover
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a_squirrel - 126 days 8 hours ago
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lol,

Quote: clearly the author knows not of grammar nor its conventions
the stupidity amazes me

You stupidity amazes me, you cant even put in capitals.
Look at this:

Quote: Thats a 2 mil increase although we don't know if their silver or gold but its safe to say microsoft is pleased at the increase. The only real dilema was that the article also had 360 at 30 milllion consoles sold.

Million has 3 ls in it. OH NOES HE CANT SPELL
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outlawlife - 124 days 8 hours ago
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I was referring more to the fact that the title makes absolutely no sense

at least you can understand what I'm typing

"You stupidity amazes me, you cant even put in capitals."

you attack me but you type you instead of "your" and you don't bother putting apostrophes in your contractions

so until you actually show a measure of grammatical prowess you can't criticize the way I type
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maverick1191 - 127 days 7 hours ago
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the only two features live has over PSN is in game voice chat and a party system thats it everything else both consoles have seems as if you're paying $50 just for them two features and its no way near worth it
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The Xbox Empire - 127 days 3 hours ago
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This fails..
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a_squirrel - 126 days 8 hours ago
18.1 -
you fail :P
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Steven Colbert - 126 days 6 hours ago
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lol breakfast was right
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Jinxstar - 126 days 5 hours ago
19.1 -
He's like me. Been around a while. Smart guy that breakfast :)
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