MGS4: Kojima says "50GB BD Not Enough For MGS4"

TheWickedOne - 709 days 12 hours ago

guess he wants DL-BD.

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mighty_douche - 709 days 12 hours ago

Isn't 50gb already dual layer?

Standard BR disc is 25gb.

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decapitator - 709 days 12 hours ago

I mean 50GB BD not enough ?!?! ...Man, I expect to see a lot of DLC for the game in the future when released.

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sonarus - 709 days 12 hours ago

yea i had a feeling this would happen. Maybe when ps3 gets the 100GB discs kojima will return for ONE LAST BATTLE lol

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TheWickedOne - 709 days 11 hours ago

OK, maybe QL-BD then.

Just joking...

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pharmd - 709 days 11 hours ago

yeah, i guess this confirms no MGS4 for 360 :P

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gamesR4fun - 709 days 11 hours ago

heh well roll out the 200 gig b/r then
still hard ta believe 50 gigs and they had to cut corners to jam it all in...
crazy this game should blow away anything thats come b4

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iamtehpwn - 709 days 11 hours ago

But enough to prove that its not possible for MGS4 to be done on 360.

Well, if it was to be done... the Graphics, Sound Quality, and many other Areas of the Game would Suffer Severely Because of it.

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Fat Onion - 709 days 11 hours ago

I think it would be possible to make a game of this size on 360. Above it says "the programmers had to compress SOME parts in the game".

This leads me to believe that PS3 games are not compressed. I also have read that 360 is very good with compression, and pritty much all the games out for it right now are compressed and they look no worse than a PS3 game.

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sonarus - 709 days 11 hours ago

prob get disagrees but once again this isn't the truth. The fact that mgs4 struggled to fit on a 50GB blu ray disc does not necessarily mean it won't come to the 360. PS3 owners love to believe mgs4 will never see light of day on 360 right now i would say its like 80:20 but there is still that 20% chance 360 owners will get to play as snake.

1. There is always the options of multidiscs. Lost odyssey was 4 discs what makes you think they can't do 6 or 5 discs for xbox 360??

2. Kojima adds an insane amount of polish into his game and one thing we know FOR SURE is if mgs4 comes to 360 it wnt be done by kojima productions. So that polish wouldn't be necessary. With a decent amount of compression, MGS4 would probably fit into 4 discs just like lost odyssey

3. 360 has better compression techniques that ps3. If you compress too much on ps3 it will affect load times 360 on the other hand has a faster drive so load times won't be affected as much. In summary if mgs4 does get ported it will be an extremely crappy port but a port nonetheless and a port i can bet microsoft and most 360 owners will be more than willing to accept

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pharmd - 709 days 10 hours ago

i know sonarus, it was a joke (so you wont get a disagree from me)... but im just hopin it silences some rumors, ya know kinda have fun with it since im giddy as a schoolgirl now!

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socomnick - 709 days 10 hours ago

Did you guys catch that lol. "According to Hideo, the programmers had to compress some parts in the game to save disc space" so basically the 50 gig is enought just compress the game no problem. Im pretty sure they might be able to fit it in a dvd if they compress it enough.

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Sovannah Phum - 709 days 10 hours ago

Kojima wanted to make a game in which he wouldn't have to compress anything, if you didn't know, compression means loss of quality.

Kojima's objective was to make a game with uncompressed quality, that's why he said that 50 gigs wasn't enough for such a vision.

Don't think it was his intention to just make a game. He wanted a "theater experience" PS3 owners. Don't turn this little issue in which Kojima is hyping the game he is creating into a;

"OmG MgS4 FoR 36o CoNFirMED!"

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Some_One_Plays - 709 days 10 hours ago

The multi disc can work only if the game is linear if it isn't you can just forget it. No one wants to keep switching discs because they keep leaving and entering a certain area.

For it to be on the XBOX 360 all the coding must be redone to the XBOX 360's architecture plus multiple discs are required. That means more money for a single game compared to the PlayStation 3. It may cost a little bit more but one game fits on one disc. If you had to send 4 - 7 discs per game that will cost you.

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Tyler Durden - 709 days 9 hours ago

MGS 4 is already comfirmed for 360 look at the trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

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pharmd - 709 days 9 hours ago

HAHAHA, thats the shiz.... so funny!

bubbles for makin me laugh

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gambare - 709 days 8 hours ago

to be developed only on bluray format

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Fanboi - 709 days 7 hours ago

Classic

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bakasora - 709 days 7 hours ago

LOL

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ruibing - 709 days 7 hours ago

@1.10
So many things wrong with your comment right there. First off, where do you get that 80:20 thing? Just about all non-360 owners at this point will limit it below a hundred of a percent.

Second, have you ever seen a 6 disc game? I've been playing RPGs for a long time and the biggest one has been 4 CDs, and since the era of DVDs the only one to set a new record was Lost Odyssey. Did you notice the performance (specifically the load times) for that game?

Third, I don't know what "polish" has anything to do with the game coming to the 360, but just how much compression can the game stand to loose in terms of the CGI, texture, and audio. This isn't like ASCII text files that can be compressed to a small fraction of its normal size, the only way you can compress that small is either use processor-heavy encoding or high lossy encoding (or maybe both). And we've already seen Lost Odyssey, I'm sure they tried to reduce the number of discs as much as possible and we got that end result.

Lastly, the 360 does not have any inherent compression technique. If anything, the PS3's high floating point calculation capabilities makes it better at compression algorithm. Let's also not forget the fact that the PS3's built-in HDD further reduce the load times if the developer feels it is necessary.

@1.12
But by your logic, the people that made Crysis could have made it run on an old P4 machine if they just "optimized" it enough.

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sonarus - 709 days 5 hours ago

if i had only a 360 do you think 6 discs will stop me from playing mgs4 no. Like i said if it got ported it would be a crappy port but size dosent have to do with anything. they will just reduce the quality. I was simply pointing out the 50GB data dosen't guarantee there won't be an xbox 360 port. I really don't care if the 3rd party exclusives for ps3 get ported heard haze will get ported so will tekken i really don't care. Their line up is pretty shoddy at this point ps3 line up on the other hand stands quite strong

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zane547 - 709 days 2 hours ago

Code/Graphics does not take up that much space on a disk, what does is the cutscenes hence Lost Odyssey was on 4 disks.

Now most MGS games were able to be completed in 4 or 5 hours if the cutscenes were skipped.

There isnt enough room on the disk because again, MGS4 is going to be heavily loaded up with cut-scene after cut-scene.

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Mainman - 709 days ago

@ zane547

MGS4's cut-scenes are ingame, so it won't take much space compared to CGI cut-scenes.

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Bubble Buddy - 708 days 23 hours ago

Wonder how long the gameplay is :D

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Gondee - 708 days 13 hours ago

@1.20
actuly, crysis can run on an old P4. Iv done it =)
Just messing around one day i put back in a old 3.2 Ghz P4.
i was getting about 6 FPS on very high with a 8800 GTX OC =)

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Gaara_724 - 709 days 12 hours ago

i dont get u ?

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HeartlesskizZ - 709 days 9 hours ago

This means only one thing... Kojima wants a 3layer BD minimum to make MGS5... I can only imagine how long is this game already Gosh... im nervous ill never let go of this game =P

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mighty_douche - 709 days 12 hours ago

I hope it is : )

Just with 80 hours gameplay....

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Rybnik - 709 days 12 hours ago

Dont be a tool Element X there basically is NO CGI in MGS games its all done in engine.

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jwatt - 709 days 11 hours ago

The cut scenes in Mgs is what makes the story so epic, It's seriously like playing a movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

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tweaker - 709 days 11 hours ago

CGI is non existent in MGS. well except for the intro. lol

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ElementX - 709 days 11 hours ago

I have never played a MGS game. I didn't know there weren't CGI movies. I said I "hope" that means I didn't say there would be. No need to be disrespectful and call me a tool.

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Sovannah Phum - 709 days 10 hours ago

element, you are a tool. just making ridiculous baseless claims about things you do not have experience about makes you a tool.

If you've never played mgs, and have had no interest to do so, why are you here bsing?

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ElementX - 709 days 10 hours ago

I wasn't claiming anything! I know Japanese games have a lot of movies. I was just saying I hope it wasn't like that. Give me a break. I never owned a PS2. I didn't play the MGS games. I want to try it out though, because I heard it's good. Quit hating.

Ok, i played about 30 minutes of the first one on PS1. That was YEARS ago. I wouldn't call it "playing" because I didn't get very far, only the first level.

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HeartlesskizZ - 709 days 9 hours ago

same things were said about MGS3 trailers being CGI when it was all real time...

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jacobdevos - 709 days 11 hours ago

you are weird, how could you possibly care that much about game sales?
like.. seriously.. that's brutal
you'd rather play 3x as much for this game just to see sales rise?

i am 100% against your opinion, but you're entitled to it

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Hellbringer - 708 days 19 hours ago

IT was a joke. Do you think I rather pay $150+ to play one game which is split into 3?

Sales = nothing to me, I don't get anything out of it so I don't care.

But, I can see why you thought I was serious.

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Rice - 709 days 12 hours ago

lol...

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Gaara_724 - 709 days 12 hours ago

LOL!!!!!!! imagin when youre on the radeo thing its so good detailed and sound quailty all we get is SNAKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SNAK;inser disk 28'eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee lol

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Rice - 709 days 11 hours ago

im giving both of u guys bubbles...

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Rice - 709 days 11 hours ago

sorry double post...

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Thoas - 709 days 11 hours ago

It would probably be more like 6 or 7 dvd disc, but yeah that is to many dvds.

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craymoogy - 709 days 11 hours ago

Raiden is about to stab the vampire guy.....

"Please insert Disc 29..."

Raiden killed the vampire guy

"Please insert Disc 32..."

Me: What the heck? I haven't played the game yet. Skip CG

"Please insert Disc 33..."

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Thoas - 709 days 11 hours ago

Lmaooooo

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rofldings - 709 days 11 hours ago

knowing Microsoft, they'll charge $60 each for each disc for MGS4.

That is the true reason why they included a last-gen format in their "next-gen" console.

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LastDance - 709 days 11 hours ago

So much for xbox fans(and EB games workers) saying devs dont need any more space then a DVD9....

I hope they feel good about themselves.

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Homicide - 709 days 11 hours ago

LOL! Where are the bots? ROFLMFAO! Stupid moronic bots thinking bluray isn't needed.

Actually it would be 5-6 DVD 9s for 1 blu-ray disc.

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ruibing - 709 days 10 hours ago

True enough, even DVD-9 only holds about 8GB per disc, so it will be a minimum of 6 discs on DVD. The only thing I'm curious about is why didn't they use 2 50GB BR discs.

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Stubacca - 709 days 10 hours ago

Where are all the X-bots?

He said 50 GB wasn't enough? Why not put it on 2 blu-rays. How many 360 DVD discs is that? Too many.

They should just hurry up and release another console that CAN keep up with Sony's beast.

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Quickstrike - 709 days 5 hours ago

I guess they are ignoring this because they still don't want to accept the truth that MGS 4 is a PS3 exclusive. And that the only way it would be on the 360 is in a 25 disk set.

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XGamer - 709 days 1 hour ago

by adding all that damned video, if I wanted to watch a movie I'd go rent one, this game will be scored lower in my book b/c of that. That's my main complaint on playing MGS2 on my Xbox, too much video, it took away from the game play.

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LastDance - 708 days 23 hours ago

You see XGamer- this is why people like hideo and ryan are making the game.. and people like you are writing on comment boards.

Quite clearly Metal gear is what it is. If you wanted to change something in it then its not metal gear. Like it or dont. simple as that.

Im sorry if you cant handle storyline. Perhaps you should play Gears of war where they dont want to "hold you down with to much storyline" and blast away to your hearts content.

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NO_PUDding - 708 days 22 hours ago

Xgamer

MGS4 Episode 1 would play great on 360, and then you can download the other 5 episodes. You xbots love episodic content. Apparently it's the future! Maybe the future because it takes so long to download. Yes definitely the future.

Plus it may play great on the 360, but it would play better on the PS3. When people ask me whether I want quality or quanitity, I say both, I don't bend over for Microsoft, and say... I don't mind just give me whatever you got. They defintely didn't give you quantity, and we all know size matters, despite what your Microsoft says.

Wow I love the Open Zone. Anyway, back to civilised Gamer Zone for me.

EDIT: I don't actually like MGS that much, and I never got into it, I just know that if Kojima is askign for more space we need a dual layered BR disc soon. And I also know I want this game.

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BLUR111 - 708 days 21 hours ago

about all of the xbox owners dont care to post in ps3 news they dont flood the articles like sony fanboys flame 360 articles. fanboys are so lame and don't play games most likely.

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Pain - 708 days 20 hours ago

lmao Blu-ray FTW~

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Razmossis - 708 days 19 hours ago

your so ignorant you dont even realise that you contradicted yourself lawl

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BLUR111 - 708 days 16 hours ago

ur the ignorant idiot , i was refering to fanboys i have both 360 and ps3 so i look in news for both. you're probly one to shout Blu-ray FTW in 360 articles. you most likely didnt get my point.

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lalilulelo - 708 days 14 hours ago

go crawl in a hole you loser. every MGS fan out there LOVES the videos. its what makes the deep story of MGS even deeper.

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ruibing - 709 days 6 hours ago

I already pre-ordered mine for 50GB of pure gaming goodness. This plus the MGO starter pack will enough for my month of June. I hope everyone who has been praising the game has preordered it by now.

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eyeDEVOUR - 709 days 11 hours ago

lost odysee is 4 disc...dvd is 4.7 gigs...so its less than 20 gigs

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ambientFLIER - 709 days 10 hours ago

Actually a Dual Layer DVD is 9 gigs for the Xbox.

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Stubacca - 709 days 10 hours ago

Holy crap.

A whole 9 gigs?

That's revolutionary isn't it?

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Jandre02 - 709 days 9 hours ago

A DVD-9 does have 9 gigs. Why did you all disagree? Still. That would take 9-dvds to play this game.

But hes right, its not 5 gigs per DVD on the 360 its 9 gigs. Haha. Wouldnt that suck if one of those DVD's came scratched?

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tfur - 709 days 7 hours ago

dvd9 is just under 8 gigs...

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lalilulelo - 708 days 13 hours ago

ACTUALLY, any dual layered DVD disc is 8.7 GB. people just say that it has 9 GB but truelly only has 8.7

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BLUR111 - 708 days 21 hours ago

wow.... fart

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The Killer - 709 days ago

i am also in sony defense!

i will give u a bubble!

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BLUR111 - 708 days 21 hours ago

do u think your so called Sony Defense force can kill the xbox on this site??...lol

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xsteinbachx - 708 days 17 hours ago

it's called Defense for a reason.

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BLUR111 - 708 days 16 hours ago

u mean phony defence force. fanboys are powerless.

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hfaze - 709 days 10 hours ago

Ahhh man... with Kojima being an obsessed perfectionist, this game is shaping up to be the definitive PS3 title.

50GB BR-DL is not enough for everything in uncompressed format? How huge is this game going to be? :-)

I predict that the MGS4 bundle will sell like hotcakes when it hits the shelves! ;-)

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LastDance - 709 days 11 hours ago

because they probably noticed all the sh!t capcom was getting from all the idiots so they didnt think it was a good idea.

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cjp4eva - 709 days 11 hours ago

@eddierivera

Bables 4 u!

S@ny D3f3ns3 Forc3!!

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she00win99 - 709 days 11 hours ago

i gave you a bubble, can you give me too?

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cjp4eva - 709 days 10 hours ago

@she00win99

Done Bubble UP!

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ambientFLIER - 709 days 10 hours ago

What irony, I just took a bubble from you...

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cjp4eva - 709 days 10 hours ago

@ambientFLIER

Favor returned Nintenbi@ch.

@Homicide :) favor returned.

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Homicide - 709 days 10 hours ago

LOL cjp! You're my new favorite guy. Bubbles.

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ambientFLIER - 709 days 10 hours ago

All I have to say to you is: Learn the difference between "your" and "you're".

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InYourMom - 709 days 10 hours ago

@10.1 Nice pwnage.

You might just wanna leave the room now I think all these droids are going to start sucking each other off over this news.

Funny they are calling out "xbots" and not one Xbox person has commmented in this thread. Nice way to represent the worst gamer's in console's.

I doubt half of these people even play games, they are too busy trying to grow their tiny little e-penis.

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resistance100 - 709 days 9 hours ago

Thats the best insult you can come up with. I misspelling, if you can really call it that.

Im a playstation fan, no 2 ways about that, playstation is the brand whcih got me into gaming and i believe sony deserves my loyalty because of this, however i also own a 360 because im also a gamer and theres no way im missing out on the likes of great games such as Gears of War and Bioshock.

I've made this post in the fact that people like the mart and POG have been digging and singing the song 'Blu-ray isn't needed for games' & 'PS3 is no more than a blu-ray player' and we had to take this stick. This is just me having some friendly banter with them.

But still the fact you no little about the game you are bashing in this thread, kind of distroys what little credibility you had left. I mean you though MGS had CGI cut scenes for crist sake

@In Your Mum

Wow with that name that its tempting to just ignore your post, but i won't instead:

'
Funny they are calling out "xbots" and not one Xbox person has commmented in this thread. Nice way to represent the worst gamer's in console's.'

Point 1 - Err yes there have been, but as i already says, this is just us getting back/having a bit of banter with them back. Or are you to close minded to notice this?

Point 2 - I don't think any of us here are representing the console. I don't work of sony or get paid so why would i. Sony and People in the industry along with games represent the console, not me or anyone who posts here.

And one more thing just in case you don't believe me

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Razmossis - 708 days 19 hours ago

shut up and stop making a mouth of yourself, and also, never start an outlash with, "Thats the best insult you can come up with" its just stupid

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