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GT5 needs two things that GT5P didn't have...

Destructoid: "I've always been a fan of racing games, every since I first played Mario Kart 64. Those were the good old days, when I was younger and times were simpler. Actually even today I crank out Mario Kart DD once in a while for late night multilayer gaming. I later moved up to Need for Speed starting with Hot Pursuit. That game's offline multiplayer was a blast, especially the cop chases. Then I moved up to the world of GT and later Grid, the more realistic driving games. It took a little while getting used too but I've always chased after realism and now I love GT. Now I'll agree that GT5P is realistic as it is and I was impressed, but there is always room for improvement. Here are two realism improvements I hope for, in GT5, next spring..."

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skv007 - 79 days 17 hours ago

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hot girls stripping!
oh wait im thinking of Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 >.>

on a side note:
I think it might be to late for them to implement a sophisticated damage system. But time will tell

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dreamcast - 79 days 14 hours ago

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I read an IGN preview that said there would be a damage system where the more you damaged your car, the harder it was to drive.

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z-hayden - 79 days 14 hours ago

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^^
ya i read the same thing

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droid and bot - 79 days 14 hours ago

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damage and roll over is confirmed
http://us.gran-turismo.com/...

destructoid.com is just downplaying GT5
i mean look at this

"Looks like "Burnout 3: Takedown" from years ago Right?"

WTF ??

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AKNAA - 79 days 14 hours ago

1.4 - Why is damage so important now?

Grid had a very good damage system... maybe to good, cause when it came down to winning, you would have to get to the finish line with a flawless vehicle...
So if for example I crashed twice within the first lap, I pretty much didn't see the point of continuing which brought me to the point of no longer wanting to play the game after a while, lol!
yeah, the damage system pissed me off so F$#kin' much!
Thats why I'm hoping GT5 doesn't go to that extreme.
BTW, movable objects within the track, awesome!

Just look at this!!! I could care less if GT5 had damage!

http://www.gamersyde.com/st...

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memots - 79 days 14 hours ago

1.5 - @ AKNAA

Wow dude i have been reading this whole loads of crap lately about F3 this, and F3 that, then Gt this, and GT that.

After viewing a lot of video floating around N4G and i even watched some comparison (posted earlier today).

This VIDEO - > http://www.gamersyde.com/st...

This video told me right there that Gt5 is the ONE. Its not even close people.

Any one who still have any doubt need to watch the video above !! wow

Thanks AKNAA for the link

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droid and bot - 79 days 14 hours ago

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to me
GT is the king in all aspects after this video

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

and yes this is in game
NOT CGI
as all the xbox fan boys claim

i mean i never saw this in forza
so much for those 100,000,000 polygon for each car

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LiL T - 79 days 13 hours ago

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Half a Turn studios & Fortza = The DEFINITIVE online sticker editor.

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AKNAA - 79 days 13 hours ago

1.8 - @Memots

No problem bro, I just got tired of everyone comparing Forza 3 to the GT5:p demo.. I mean wft?! compare F3 to a more updated GT5 at least so That it will end all debate of which is better.

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beardpapa - 79 days 12 hours ago

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All those vids and pictures are from cgi because they look too real and if it were on the 360, it'd be CGI too. And GT5's physics suck because it's like GT5p. And GT5p's physics is like GT4 all over again. I would know because I'm not a fanbot, I owned a PS2 before and played GT1, 2, 3, 4, and GT5p. The physics is exactly the same as GT1 even! That's what my goggles tell me. Oh yea! And GT5's physics gonna suck so bad because the cars can't roll over and prop themselves back up slowly like magic cars! yea! And the hill textures don't magically pop up!

/sarcasm

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mega BIG time - 79 days 11 hours ago

1.10 - @droid and bot

Why feel the need to dis forza 3 in a pro ps3/gt5 article? Are you that insecure? How come I can own a ps3 and not be a fanboy? You should probably learn a lesson from me and chill out.

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callahan09 - 79 days 9 hours ago

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@ beardpanda:

I disagreed because about half-way through your wall of sarcasm I decided that I wasn't possibly going to agree with anything else you could say and wasn't even going to read it. But then after I clicked disagree, I saw the "sarcasm" tag at the end. So, uh, my apologies. I just assumed you really didn't have your facts straight and were spewing garbage.

Anyway, about the article, these guys claim they want a realistic damage system, in then they go on to say they want it to be impossible to total your car so that it is impossible to finish a race. What? That's a contradiction. You can either have realistic damage, or you don't have it... limiting damages so that you can't total your car is NOT realistic damage.

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Chubear - 79 days 8 hours ago

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Trying to latch Forza onto GT to make it seem like a legit competitor. Just like it's been done with so many PS3 exclusives

Pure: Latch it onto Motorstorm
Prototype: Latch it onto Infamous
Splinter Cell: Latch it onto Uncharted
Forza: Latch it onto GT

GT is miles ahead of Forza. It's a joke to even try to compare these two games. GT surpasses Forza in lap over lap in every single department. The whole damage argument has fallen flat on it's face now that we've seen Forza's damage is totally lame and crap compared to what GT5 is presenting.

All gaming sites like this one are trying to do is force the notion that Forza and GT are similar and it's only a matter of taste when in fact Forza pales massively compared to GT. GT is a car enthusiast racing sim game while Forza is just a racing video game.

Watch, NA gaming sites will bath Forza in 9s & 9.5s and when GT launches 6months after totally decimating Forza in every single department they'll give it a .1 better rating than Forza. The gaming media have turned into ad$ whores. It's disgusting and have to be an absolute fool to use these sites for info on your gaming experiences. Sure use them for their other features like forums or vid interviews etc but to give you accurate info on games via reviews? You'd be a fool indeed.

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randomwiz - 79 days 6 hours ago

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both his points were confirmed to be in GT5

damage affects driving:
http://ps3.qj.net/Video-Cra...
"la voiture commence à tirer à droite."
"j'ai une grosse perte de puissance."
basically translates to the car starts to shoot straight, and he starts losing power.

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unrealgamer58 - 79 days 16 hours ago

2 - so basically

2 things gt5 needs that the DEMO didn't have....... >.>

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Major_Tom - 79 days 16 hours ago

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"Hopefully Polyphony have realized this and are working on these. I know they are working on the damage system, but it isn't quite up to my standards yet." but Destructoid thinks Forza damage system IS up to snuff? LOL.

Good thing this is just a community blog otherwise there would be hell.

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Chubear - 79 days 8 hours ago

3.1 - Exactly

How the hell can you be great with Forza's damage but turn your nose up at GT's when it's way way more advanced than Forza's. This is MS's push for Christmas. They need this one bad and are doing there PR work hard.

NA editorial gaming sites are in the bag and bought on this one.

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DeadlySpartan - 79 days 16 hours ago

4 - Rollovers/flips damage for all cars are confirmed for GT5 already!

Rollovers/flips are confirmed for GT5 already, there's a (new physics engine) and all cars have damage, but its just the Racing/Rally cars that boost a better damage modeling..but that will change thats why the game was delayed.

Here is a link of a ferrari/streetcar taking damage:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

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beardpapa - 79 days 12 hours ago

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It's easier for developers to get the go-ahead to do full scale damage/deformation up to the car being totaled in rally cars and Nascar. I assume because we see them damaged up so badly on television that it's easier to procure the right to do damage rightfully done. Street cars on the other hand probably prove more difficult for developers to get the okay for realistic damage.

I'd also assume not many street legal car manufacturers would want a game to realistically represent how their car would damage in actual daily driving. This would explain why many games that do have damage in street cars only allow so much damage to happen - bumpers fall off, scuff marks, paint chips, car performance/handling damage that can't be seen - and not so much that it encroaches onto the driver's safety zone.

If you take that into account, it definitely explains why there aren't many racers out there that represent damage faithfully. However, you can argue that Burnout has really good damage, but again none of the cars in Burnout are real or represent a real-life counterpart. You can also say that some other games allow damage, but take into account these other games typically have customization options. I think that at the point where you customize a car with body parts, livery, or actual aftermarket parts, is the point where manufacturers believe it no longer represents their car realistically when it comes to damages or performance. Kinda like when you install an aftermarket body kit or turbo is when the car manufacturer no longer honors their warranty.

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Chubear - 79 days 8 hours ago

4.2 - @4.1

You got it spot on.

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LukaX23 - 79 days 15 hours ago

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GT5P was used to make GT5 better. Besides, I'm sure Polyphony can handle it.

PS: They've confirmed flipping cars.

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jleack - 79 days 14 hours ago

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Because damage is such a big deal? Sure, you can say it helps make it a realistic racer, but I'm more worried about the driving experience being realistic rather than being able to drive backward on a track and driving into people. Come on man.

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shark97 - 79 days 14 hours ago

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just that ??!!

GET A LIFE !

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inFAMOUS_KRATOS - 79 days 14 hours ago

8 - lol have you played formula 1 for ps3?

omg in the rain the damage is incredible...i want damages for all the cars, i was playin gt5p earlier and i notice the professional mode, omg is hard to controll fast cars imagine that with damage enabled in forza 5...holy crap.

ontopic. pd needs to enhanced the online, that disappointed me alot about gt5p.

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LukaX23 - 79 days 13 hours ago

9.1 - @ Why dis

He had TC, ABS, etc. enabled. Try turning them off and playing the game and tell me this game needs a "physics upgrade".

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droid and bot - 79 days 13 hours ago

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i like that one bubble you got

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inFAMOUS_KRATOS - 79 days 14 hours ago

10 - ay why dis

why dis, your a true moron son, did you ever think that sony or pD do not see forza as threat?, dude how can you say that forza is a competition? who da hek puts a racing on 2 dvds? lol.....stfu son turn need to change their name to LEARN 10

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KilZoneGeneralStrife - 79 days 13 hours ago

11 - *sigh*

I grew up with racing games,but on the psx,porshe challenge and rage racer was my 1st.when GT1 hit.It fed me the auto enthusiast fuel I craved.lets just trust PD and Kaz.has PD ever let us down?

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inFAMOUS_KRATOS - 79 days 13 hours ago

12 - dude i grew up...

doing your mom thas that mean i don't want something better? commen sence.

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Apocalypse Shadow - 79 days 13 hours ago

13 - all it needs is classy,hot women that can stand next to your car in photo mode.

or behind the wheel.

http://www.hotrodmuscle.com...

http://pictures.topspeed.co...

http://pictures.topspeed.co...

even though this is hotter
http://i4.photobucket.com/a...

it's not classy.sony should have a showroom that has high polygon built women presenting the cars like an auto show

http://www.salon-auto.ch/en...
http://www.salon-auto.ch/mu...

not distracting you from the cars as they are the things we are really looking at.keep it classy.even if it was a side mode like photo mode with about 10 high polygon women in dresses.

or even a cool dude.give it high class for women.make it seem like an auto show in paris.
http://www.mondial-automobi...

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beardpapa - 79 days 12 hours ago

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even though it may be nice, i think Need For Speed already tried that idea.

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clevernickname - 79 days 12 hours ago

14 - Two more things...

1. In-car AM radio.

2. Performance tuned Ladas.

3. Whores.

I guess that's three things.

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ps360master - 79 days 7 hours ago

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customization options is what it needs

its a racing game who doesnt like to tune cars rofl

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Oner - 79 days 7 hours ago

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^^^ Misinformed people are misinformed.

YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TUNE CARS IN GT SINCE THE VERY FIRST GAME

Seriously. STFU if you don't know WTF you are talking about. And I sure as hell don't need stickers & a florescent paint job to make my car "faster"...

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Chubear - 79 days 7 hours ago

15.2 - O.O ...WOW

You have NEVER played a GT game in your life have you.

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sak500 - 79 days 17 hours ago

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Removing Bumpcar mechanics

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Major_Tom - 79 days 16 hours ago

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Same goes for Forza.

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Soda Popinsky - 79 days 14 hours ago

1.2 - @Major_Tom

You can't win races in Forza by corner bumping the other cars like in GT. Forza is a simulator.

This is what I think they need to add.

1. Fun (the gameplay of GT is extremely stiff and boring)
2. Proper customization (Instead of 120 different Civics, give us one we can customize properly)

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PlayStation X - 79 days 13 hours ago

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lmao soda you make me laugh

'forza is a simulator? rewind time lmao real simulator!!11!!

gt5 gameplay is stiff n boring? gt5 is a simulation thats why you think its stiff n boring you dumb fck its realistic.

fcking kids these days =/ thick as sh1t.

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sak500 - 79 days 12 hours ago

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@1.3

You must be retarded.. I hv a v8 6.0L car and no way driving it is boring but yeah GT5 makes the car boring. I guess you armchair driving experts know better when all u ride in real life are tricycles.

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Major_Tom - 79 days 12 hours ago

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Yeah cuz those car physics in Forza and damage modeling are all so accurate right. http://www.youtube.com/watc... Like for example.

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Oner - 79 days 7 hours ago

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Or my favorite Tom ~ http://www.youtube.com/watc...

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Soda Popinsky - 79 days 7 hours ago

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GT5:P lets you cheat.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

GT5:P breakdance physics.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

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Chubear - 79 days 7 hours ago

1.8 - lmao

That's all you 360fans keep doing. You keep comparing Forza3 to GT4. You all know fully well we haven't seen a current gen Gran Turismo yet but have seen TWO current gen versions of Forza.

I wonder, which you think should be a better quality title? One that's rushed out soon after a rushed out Forza2? or one that's taken it's time to present a proper current gen version of the series?

The 360base are such fools.

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Oner - 79 days 6 hours ago

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Is that all you got Soda? Because that sure is weak!

1 shortcut on 1 track on GT5 ***PROLOGUE*** & a non "flippable" car again in GT5 ***PROLOGUE*** when it has already been confirmed that ALL CARS in GT5 have damage AND can flip!

Sources for the uninformed/misinformed -

Damage ~ http://www.gtplanet.net/all...

Roll Over ~ http://www.gtplanet.net/for...

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Major_Tom - 79 days 4 hours ago

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When did I say GT5P was better at anything, you're the sore loser who can't come to justice with a game that in the eyes of many is sub-par. At least GT5 is delayed to actually make the game better and yet Forza is being released as is, that in itself is a crime to the fans.

In the current state, both games are broken as hell, except Forza makes it seem like an absolute hilarious mockery of physics and damage.

However atleast PD is going back to the drawing board for the same criticisms that both games are catching flak for. It's a hell of a shame that turn 10 is releasing the game in the shape it's in, it looks like a beta.

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crazyturkey - 79 days 14 hours ago

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I guess who ever wrote the demo is not keeping up with the news.
I thought rollover was announced at TGS, and damage should be better by march 2010.

By the way I think that the motorstorm games have better damage than any other game on consoles this gen....IF only sims could go that crazy with damage.

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LinuxGuru - 79 days 14 hours ago

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Motorstorm damage is purely cosmetic.

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Chubear - 79 days 7 hours ago

2.2 - ^^

So is Forza's so what's your point? ... unless you really believe you can ram into another car head on at 300mph, only have your paint flake off, bumper come off and disappear and still drive away solidly.

... and no, Motorstorm, though being an arcade racer, does have it's damage affect the vehicle a bit and it's even more so in motorstorm2 but it's used relative to the type of racing to keep it fun.

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inFAMOUS_KRATOS - 79 days 14 hours ago

3 - not mst2!!

the damage in that game is nice, and the game feels incredible//

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Taz Yamauchi - 79 days 13 hours ago

4 - GT5 needs to be completed

I'm cool with the waiting till march next year Coz i'm going to get a totall package I wont complain about, Jus been playing Flopza3 demo, what a turd guess thy were dishing us with bullshots all along.

BTW i would have agreed with the writer back in January but polyphony are already doing that, You should really keep up with the news

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ULTIMATE_REVENGE - 79 days 10 hours ago

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Turn 10 actually lied about the 10x's polygon count bull crap and here's proof http://www.picload.org/imag...

The car models only look good and have the so called "10x's polygon count" in the showroom but during actual gameplay that number is reduced drastically.

and notice how when your playing the game you can't see the dashboard of the car through the rear window (3rd person cam) but what they have done is tinted the back window to save having to display any more polygons than the 360 could handle http://img9.imageshack.us/i...

They even cut out the shifting animations lol.

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CCJackHoff - 79 days 9 hours ago

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I'm glad GT5 is making the damage system superb.

...Did I just say superb? Man, I'm getting gay..

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