PS3 'technical issues' hampered Haze development

Hellsvacancy - 105 days 16 hours ago

ALWAYS blames his tools

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Darkeyes - 105 days 16 hours ago

lol... Even if Haze had KZ2 graphics, then too it would suck balls... I just bought the game cause it was really cheap.... Boy after playing it I knew the pure definition of a bad game.... Bad graphics+Bad story+Utterly pathetic voice acting....

The most annoying part of the game was it's voice acting.... Simply horrendous. I mean they just taped one line.. Created a loop and placed it in the entire game...."We fight for Murino..." Ah... The horrors. I literally played half the game on a muted TV.

I couldn't believe this was a game from the same guys who gave us the Timesplitters series.... Haze sucked balls... Even if Haze would have been on the 360, then too it would have sucked balls.. Period. Stop blaming other things for the stupid things you create.

I don't know about Too Human since I haven't played it, but the worse game this gen IS HAZE!!!!

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QuackPot - 105 days 16 hours ago

Even if they had the best graphics, animation and sound, it would still suck.

FR fracked up big time and this is suspiciously surprising considering their history.

I'm worried big time for the work they are doing on Crysis for consoles. Makes me shiver.

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I_am_rushin - 105 days 15 hours ago

They decided to go exclusive instead of staying multi-plat.

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Nathan123 - 105 days 15 hours ago

Lol... at Free Radical.. They were under the impression that the PS3 will write a story and do the voice acting for their sucky game. The game sucked end of discussion. Not cause it was on the PS3, but cause it was made by a bunch of arrogant di*kheads who were under prepared.

I really hate when devs accuse the hardware but can't admit that the problem lies in them (cough Valve cough).

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locos85 - 105 days 14 hours ago

Are they still trying to make excuses?

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inveni0 - 105 days 14 hours ago

Haze could have been really awesome. I wonder what technical problem they're referring to, since the game doesn't utilize any special technology whatsoever...

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Arthur_ - 105 days 14 hours ago

...HAZE was still a failure. Now, FreeRad, lets LEARN from this mistake, not DWELL on it.

MOVE ON. AND SHOOT HIGHER NEXT TIME.

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Jack Meahoffer - 105 days 13 hours ago

It's totally logical to think that literally 95% of third party developers are "lazy".

Same as thinking 95% of the media is biased against Sony.

Totally logical right? Anything to protect your corporate master.

You would think you'd see the more developers that say this the more you'd think hmmm maybe there's something to this idea that the PS3 it more difficult to develop for. Nah let's just bend reality and disagree then hide from anyone trying to look at the topic without motive.

This kind of stuff is the only reason to read the comments on N4G.

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phosphor112 - 105 days 11 hours ago

Game BREAKING glitches? I forget what part it is, but you get to a certain point in your vehicle and at times, EVERYTHING in the environment DISAPPEARS!!
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phosphor112 - 105 days 11 hours ago

I'm assuming you have 1 bubble for a reason?

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DaTruth - 105 days 11 hours ago

Morganfell is a guy whose 360 RROD'd on him 3 times, he's understandably upset.

Nothing any of these people are saying isn't true, HAZE SUCKED, not for technical reasons; It sucked for many different reasons. Heavenly sword launched before Haze and it was awesome, technically, story wise and gameplay; There were some framerate drops when facing 10,000 enemies(understandable); Haze had absolutely nothing technically as difficult as Heavenly sword and Heavenly Sword was rendered in 720p not 540p.

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Jack Meahoffer - 105 days 11 hours ago

Why is it that none you Sony worshipers can name more than a handful of third party developers that are NOT lazy yet the list of developers accused of being lazy is very very long.

But it's not about discussion it's about blind defense of your master.

Just keep running and hiding like the cowards you are. Just like little Morgan. It's either disagree and hide or change the subject. RROD has to play into this somehow right? Lol

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DaTruth - 105 days 10 hours ago

Buddy, nobody hear called them lazy, just unimaginitive, uninspired and not very creative. I can't imagine where your getting that from.

Free Radical is a respected studio, we're all pretty surprised at what happened with Haze and we all know the PS3 is very difficult to program for. Most of Haze's problems are non-programming related.

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Jack Meahoffer - 105 days 10 hours ago

Use whatever derogatory term you want. The point is everytime any developer says or even hints that the PS3 is difficult to develop for the Sony fans come out of the woodwork to slam them.

I appreciate your reply. Can you explain why there are FAR more third party developers being attacked than ones that are praised? Whatever terms you want to use they are slammed then compares to third party titles like Uncharted 2.

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pixelsword - 105 days 10 hours ago

While I do not disagree with your conclusion, the majority of developers also say the PS3 is the superior piece of Hardware; even ones that previously said the PS3 and 360 were equal are now coming around to say that the PS3 has more power. For example, John Carmack first said that the PS3 and 360 were equal; but recently Carmack said that the PS3 had more theoretical power than the 360 (theoretical because he himself and his team may not have had the experience to access and utilize the power). Furthermore, Technically-centered colleges like M.I.T. aren't even looking at the CPU of the 360 for technical breakthroughs.

So, if that's the case, and using your rationale (again, which I do not disagree with your conclusion), the PS3 is the superior console.

I will say though... I fully agree the PS3 is more of a challenge to program for, if you lack the experience. I don't dispute that the PS3 is more difficult to program for because it was said. It was also said by the developers of Heavenly Sword, Lair, and CoD4 that it wasn't that hard at all, so it all comes down to experience in techniques for multicore programming.

So, would you concede that the PS3 is the most powerful console out?

P.S.

I think more third party developers are being attacked is because of several reasons:

1. companies like Insomniac (and I think Naughty Dog, but don't quote me on that one) are giving away source code to their games, and yet people who make similar games are stinking up the place STILL.

2. I cannot speak for other games, but I played HAZE to the end, and I was a fan of the game before it released so much so that I made stuff for the game and defended it... until I finished it. HAZE seemed half-done: not only development-wise, but in story, graphics, and even level design. HAZE could've been delayed to clear-up the bugs. I came out between GTA IV and MGS4... that alone was a clear warning to them that they should have delayed it, even to just steer clear of two of the most anticipated games on the PS3.

3. Yeah, some people doing the complaining are fanboys, you can't avoid them though.

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BattleAxe - 105 days 10 hours ago

Free Radical are a bunch of has beens..... Maybe Cryteck can teach them a thing or two.

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Sarcasm - 105 days 10 hours ago

lmao

Sure Free Radical. The PS3's development caused bad voice acting, cheezy storyline, uninspired character designs and average gameplay.

I go insane everytime I hear "We fight for Merino!!!" for the 50th million time.

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darkpower - 105 days 10 hours ago

First off: @I_am_rushin: So, you wanted the 360 to be polluted with that game.

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@Jack: When you have a game that had everything going WRONG for it, and was a complete mess and people KNOW it was, and THEY knew it was, you don't go and blame the system one year AFTER the fact, especially when you're developing just for that system. There are no "Sony worshipers" (which, by the way, discredited you right there; why is it that when someone doesn't agree with you people, they're automatically Sony fanboys?) here that are trying to spin that.

FR is trying to use an excuse because it does not want to blame itself for the poor game making. There were elements of the game that sucked that had absolutely nothing to do with the Sony console. Console development faults would be things like glitches or graphic incapacitates, and frame rate drops. You don't expect the concept to be a disaster (how can a bad storyline be ANY fault of the console), you don't expect controls to be a complete mess (you assign a button to an action. How tough could THAT be on ANY system), and you don't expect the sound to not fit the game (making the sound and choosing what sound to try to make are two completely different things). Basically put, FR wanted the system to do EVERYTHING for them, and when it didn't and the game was crap (which it would've been on the 360, too), they didn't put the blame on themselves like they should done (and what any REAL developer would've done). They put the blame on Sony and their "hard to develop for" console. And they didn't even come out with it right away. This comes out a year AFTER the game came out. Why?

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Killjoy3000 - 105 days 9 hours ago

I'm absolutely confident the PS3 didn't contribute to the terrible level design, poor voice work, generic dialogue, and horrendous pacing. Not to mention forgettable characters and a story that doesn't quite come together throughout the game at all.

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IdleLeeSiuLung - 105 days 9 hours ago

It's just an issue of resource management. You usually get a fixed amount of resource to work with so do you have more people work on game play or do you have more people work on technical issues?

It is clear that a significant number of developers have come forward stating issues with PS3 development as well a significant number of multi-platform games working better on the 360 even until this day.

You can't ignore that!

A cr@ppy game can come on any platforms, but the PS3 has a clearly shown that is a higher uphill battle with more fights than the competitor!

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Jack Meahoffer - 105 days 8 hours ago

Thanks for the well thoughtout and rational reply.

I have no problem "admitting" that the PS3 has superior hardware. Not only from a reliablity standpoint but from "theoretical" processing power. I'm a fan of what the PS3 does. I think infamous is the best game released so far this year. I'm not attacking the PS3.

My problem is with the illogical conspiracies being stated as fact by hardcore Sony fanboys. I don't see 360 or Wii fanboys trying so hard to bend reality to protect a corporation.

I think you make good points and I appreciate the civility.

Edit: In 1.16 I meant comparing to FIRST party games like Uncharted 2.

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ThanatosDMC - 105 days 8 hours ago

Oh well, at least 4-player co-op online was fun... you know, killing your teammates or shoothing their nectar injectors in the middle of a firefight.

Anyone remember the chase scene... the damn thing kept loading and loading every freakin time you blow up something. Transition of the loading was horribly done as well.

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TechWiz - 105 days 8 hours ago

Free radical Dev was not really bashing the PS3. He was trying to complment the new Cry-Engine. It not a secret that the PS3 is hard to program for. Below from the article:

The developer, now rebranded Crytek UK, is assured that the powerful CryEngine 3 will eliminate such technical issues.

“I don’t think we’ve seen the best out of the PS3 at all,” added Hilton, “and I definitely think one of the best things about Crytek and the CryEngine is that we’re now in the best position to get the most out of the hardware.” 


He said that no-one has pushed the PS3 as far as it can go, and believes the CryEngine 3 toolset gives the group a “great head start” in doing so.

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IdleLeeSiuLung - 105 days 7 hours ago

I mean, I paid $10 for it and it hardly was worth that!

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randomwiz - 105 days 6 hours ago

read the article before you start hating...

“I don’t think we’ve seen the best out of the PS3 at all,” added Hilton, “and I definitely think one of the best things about Crytek and the CryEngine is that we’re now in the best position to get the most out of the hardware.” 


He said that no-one has pushed the PS3 as far as it can go, and believes the CryEngine 3 toolset gives the group a “great head start” in doing so."

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morganfell - 105 days 4 hours ago

@ inveni0

Funny as hell...

@ Hellsvacancy

Well said.

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pixelsword - 105 days 3 hours ago

I appreciate your comments; you are too kind.

:)

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free2game365 - 105 days 13 hours ago

In a days of rising costs there's no excuse in making something purposely difficult to work with.

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Jack Meahoffer - 105 days 12 hours ago

From what I played of Haze it was clear it would have sucked with or without "techical issues". Creatively it had problems.

FR made some great games in the past so hopefully they'll turn it around and put out some more quality software going forward. Whatever platform I think they still deserve another go before we give up on them.

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ShadowRyuX - 105 days 9 hours ago

a lot of people make it out to be a lot worse than it is, but in all honesty it isn't a bad game, it is just a very mediocre one. Second, I found it really surprising how it turned out, but I guess when they brag about the script, the voice actors straight from some British theater group, and a huge amount of bullshots. I guess you do get a major disappointment.

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mastiffchild - 105 days 5 hours ago

The point is that they're taking an easy way out and using it as damage control for their acquisition but it wouldn't be needed IF they'd tell(or were able to) the truth.

We know, for a fact, that the PS3 being new to them and "difficult" aren't the main reasons that Haze was so horrifically poor. A year prior to release it was running and looking better than the final game and the fact they had middleware taken off them(for whatever reason)resulting in rushed in-house engines for physics and other main parts of the game. They were delayed heavily through this kind of thing and as a result of then feeling they had to keep the game hyped managed to tell us practically ALL the plot!

The list of errors and misfortune goes on and on and most of it seems, to me anyway, to be political as when the game was syill multi plat it seemes like it had been plain sailing and things only went wrong after exclusive development had already started-meaning thats when the middleware got pulled etc. That said the godawful script would have always been there and the accompanying hammier than Hammy McSaddleback's Ham factory acting-so even if the game had sailed through tech wise it was always gonna be pretty hard to take.

So the fractured development, imo, was the big killer and while, I'm certain, the PS3 is more awkward to newcomers to it or those used to MS dev tools I don't think it was EVWER the real problem with Haze. FRD weren't fools and lesser devs had already made both better looking and better playing games for PS3 both exclusively AND as multis. I dunno, however, if any dev could get a good game out under the set of crises that befell FRD with this game.

Haze remains a good premise for not only a shooter but even, maybe, a wrpg-the twist could have been great if it had been allowed to develop properly and an rpg would give opportunity to take a cgaracter either way. Sadly I feel that dev/pub politics is what killed it for good and wrecked FRD-far too many bad things happened for it to have a chance and to just blame the PS3 is a bit glib and a cop out from telling the actual story.

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PirateThom - 105 days 16 hours ago

Sony promised the Cell would write storylines for games and it just didn't deliver.

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Kain81 - 105 days 16 hours ago

lol

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inveni0 - 105 days 14 hours ago

You have to find a developer that's willing to dream a little. That's why they've picked up teams like Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Quantic Dream, etc. I can name several first party PS3 games that blow away everything I've seen on the 360--even if only from a technical standpoint. It truly is the beast of the generation.

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WaitStation 3 - 105 days 12 hours ago

"Sony promised the Cell would write storylines for games and it just didn't deliver."

Finally, good sarcasm.

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maxcer - 105 days 9 hours ago

here, i will quote the part on the article that will answer your question...

“We spent more time trying get the game running properly and less time to design the game properly,”

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ShadowRyuX - 105 days 9 hours ago

What is odd is that the footage of Star Wars Battlefront 3 looked pretty good. It is such a shame they lost the rights to develop it...I honestly think it would've been the best in the series. Well lets hope Crytek UK a.k.a Free Radical Design can show us that they are still a great company.

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stewgart - 105 days 15 hours ago

It wasn't them who hyped it though it was the gaming media and the gaming public. I can understand their frustration, obviously they would be under alot of pressure to make a great game and they didn't know how to work with the ps3 hardware properly. The gameplay mechanics were there I thought, it's just the story and the graphics were horrible. Had they more time to work on the actual game and not the engine, I think Haze could have been a hit.

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DaTruth - 105 days 11 hours ago

It was the fanboys, plain and simple!

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LeShin - 105 days 16 hours ago

Need more people like you on N4G. Bubble up.

Props for the Mos Def profile too

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solidjun5 - 105 days 15 hours ago

I appreciate that homie. Bubble back.

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cyborg6971 - 105 days 16 hours ago

No not lazy maybe they had a deadline to reach and needed more time but it wasn't there. Or maybe they just suck cow balls.

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Dirty Beaver - 105 days 16 hours ago

Dude like someone in the gamerzone said, "many games on the ps3 where substantially impressive prior to the release of Haze". Hell Heavenly Sword was released a few months before but takes a dump on Haze.

Basically i'm not bashing Free Radical, frankly they where one of the best developers on the ps2 till date but on the subject of Haze they really dropped the ball.

Hopefully they can utalise the advantages of CryEngine3 and release Haze2 and make it what Haze1 was supposed to be.

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Darkeyes - 105 days 16 hours ago

Dude... I really recommend you try Haze and then comment. I have nightmares till date where the horrible voice acting crops up (Marino.. AHH!!!!!). I am 100% sure you would change that comment after playing the game.

I once loved Free Radical.. Timesplitter series is still awesome.. But Haze was bland and an example of what not to do to make a game.

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pure pwnage24 - 105 days 15 hours ago

agreed I hope Free Radical or Crytek UK whatever there called, makes Timesplitters 4 because that series is epic, Haze... well...its not.

Timesplitters 4 using cryengine 3, Oh yeah! Time to split! lol

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cyborg6971 - 105 days 14 hours ago

I'm not hating maybe a little cause I expected more from them and who knows maybe they'll get a rebirth and come out with star wars battlefront 3 to redeem themselves.

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buying1999 - 105 days 10 hours ago

Yep I hear the moaning and groaning starting now. "Lazy developer, stupid developer, blah, blah. Here's yet ANOTHER, yes ANOTHER developer(you know a person that actually writes games and isn't a fanboy) complaining about PS3. Oh man....PS3 is losing over and over and over. Developers are complaining more and more and more. Funny how you never really hear stuff like this about 360? Anyone, anyone (that can actually back up some trash mouth spouting off that is to come)? NO? Yeah that's wasn't fair to ask that question because I already knew the answer. Go Blu-Ray!!!! hehehe yep that's about it.

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talltony - 105 days 10 hours ago

Im just calling them plain stupid.

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talltony - 105 days 8 hours ago

well not all ps3 exclusives take that long to deliver just look at uncharted 2. thats 2 years.

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pure pwnage24 - 105 days 15 hours ago

and xbots please explain to me why Too Human sucked, and Perfect Dark Zero wasn't what it should've been, and blue dragon sucked too

but xbots can bash this game I really don't care much about it, it sucks

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buying1999 - 105 days 10 hours ago

Bullet Witch wasn't very good was it? But I believe that Haze was one of those almighty pieces of exclusive software for the almighty, all powerful CELL driven Blu-Ray player know as PS3...right? OOOOps.
GO BLU-RAY!!!!!

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RememberThe357 - 105 days 8 hours ago

No, Haze was never one of those games. Uncharted, MGS4, Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, God of War 3, Gran Tourismo 5, Heavy Rain; those are the almighty pieces of exclusive software. And frankly, the 360 hasn't put out anything that can compete with these titles, on a technical level.

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Dirty Beaver - 105 days 16 hours ago

After playing Halo3 and Gears of War for several hours, i'd say that my expectations from playing most ps3 exclusives are way too high. I just couldn't hold myself to play anymore lol.

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TheMART at Xboxkings - 105 days 16 hours ago

Uhm no.

Haze:

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

5.5 out of 10

Halo 3:

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

9.4 out of 10

Haze was said to be the Halo 3 killer by PS3 fantards like yourself. It miserably failed. Even the dev admits the POS3 is a piece of technical issues junk.

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waseem335 - 105 days 10 hours ago

that "technical junk" made this :)

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talltony - 105 days 10 hours ago

I always thought Haze looked like a*s and never ever hyped it up.

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Tinted Eyes - 105 days 16 hours ago

=)

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TheMART at Xboxkings - 105 days 16 hours ago

You must mean the POS3, with for example my BluRay diode dying after just 3 weeks. Or a friend of mine that had a dead BluRay after just one day...

Dying BluRay diodes all around. Its like the Pig Flu spreading over PS3's.

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Tinted Eyes - 105 days 15 hours ago

16% > 1%

=)

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TheMART at Xboxkings - 105 days 15 hours ago

1% is only in the minds of the fandroids. Reality says otherwise. YLOD's on 20/60GB launch models, BluRay problems after pricedrop/40GB models when Sony put cheaper produced parts, also the BluRay diode in the PS3's.

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Oner - 105 days 15 hours ago

No facts, links, proof or otherwise to support those OPINIONATED STATEMENTS as usual...

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Major_Tom - 105 days 15 hours ago

I love waking up in the morning and reading how stupid The Mart is :).

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Saaking - 105 days 14 hours ago

Seriously Mart, you're just looking like a fool right. If you're having a lot of problems it doesn't mean everyone is. The PS3's failure rates is acceptable. The 360's failure rate is ridiculously high and has been estimated to be up to 50%. Stop trying to make stuff up. The PS3 is more powerful and reliable while the 360 is the poor man's PS3.

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waseem335 - 105 days 10 hours ago

"The POS3 is just one big technical issue"

ahem u sure??

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buying1999 - 105 days 10 hours ago

Come on Saaking have you not even taken the time to actually research what ACTUAL game developers, reviewers, and people in the industry are actually saying in regards of PS3 games vs 360 games? Just so I don't think poorly of your intellect I'm going to assume that you haven't. Now go do some research and provide some links to ANYTHING that supports PS3 out performing 360 in games...not on paper but actual games.....come on try....I really don't think you're trying....well maybe you are? But where's the proof...find me some industry professional that actually supports what you PS3clones(clones because all you keep spewing out the same non supported stuff) are saying.

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Saaking - 105 days 10 hours ago

The 360 has no game that manages to outdo Uncharted 1 let alone Killzone 2 or Uncharted 2. Yes, developers may say both are about equal; however, until I see a game on the xbox 360 that looks as good as PS3 exclusives, the PS3 is the most powerful console.

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talltony - 105 days 9 hours ago

John Carmack even said that their is more horsepower in the ps3 but its just harder to develop for which explains why most multiplats look better on 360 which explains why most exclusives look better on ps3. I dnt feel like posting the link to that cause I want you to do your own research.

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buying1999 - 105 days 7 hours ago

Wow talltony you must have read a different interview than I did. I'll go ahead and post the link since it's obvious that you've never read it.

http://www.edge-online.com/...

Hmm. I didn't see that part about the PS3 being more powerful....Yeah you won't either fanboy because it's just not there. Are you guys always this cloned or just when trying to justify your over priced Blu-Player?
Try reading the material before you make a commit about it...ie. Carmack's interview. doof.

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el zorro - 105 days 5 hours ago

-That's true, he clearly states that the 360 has a more powerful GPU and a faster rasterizer. He also says that "Processing wise, the main CPU is about the same". In other articles he has also said that the 360 has more available memory. So, if the 360 has more memory, a better GPU and the CPU is about the same, that means that the 360 is indeed more powerful.

Other developers have told us the same thing.

Jason Booth, who was a former Harmonix developer that worked on both the PS3 and 360, said the PS3 is not more powerful than the Xbox 360.

"Fill rate is one of the primary ways to measure graphics performance - in essence, it's a number describing how many pixel operations you can perform. The fill rate on the PS3 is significantly slower than on the 360, meaning that games either have to run at lower resolution or use simpler shader effects to achieve the same performance"

"Additionally, the shader processing on the PS3 is significantly slower than on the 360, which means that a normal map takes more fill rate to draw on the PS3 than it does on the 360. And I'm not talking about small differences here, we're talking roughly half the pixel pushing power."

"the performance centric research into the PS3 has been around making it easier for developers to get the same level of performance you get out of the 360 naturally... developers must spend significantly more time and resources getting the PS3 to do what the 360 can already do easily and with a lot less code..."
http://www.gamedaily.com/ar...

Another developer, Tobias Berghoff, who is the director of PS3 development for the game Sacred, explained that the optimal performance for both consoles is surprisingly close, but that the 360 tends to give better performance in general. Here is a piece of that interview:

-Digital Foundry: Your game is 'Full HD' on both 360 and PS3 with similar performance levels at 1080p... is it therefore safe to say that the rendering power available to you is approximately the same on both platforms? If not, is there any danger that third-party developers are favouring 720p in some cases simply to ensure platform parity?

Tobias Berghoff: I usually put it like this: The optimal solutions for both platforms are usually surprisingly equal in performance (Hold it, fanboys! I'm not done!). For everything else, it's reasonably fast on the Xbox and absolutely horrible on the PS3.-

What he is saying here is that when you get things running optimally on the PS3 its performance is very similar to the 360 running optimally, but that short of getting optimal performance out of the PS3, rendering performance tends to be significantly faster on the 360 than on the PS3.
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

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talltony - 105 days 1 hour ago

Here is the link from Quakecon which John Carmack said the storage issues with the xbox 360's DVD 9 disks have a problem with holding all the textures in Rage. Storage Issues! They needed 3 DVD 9's for Rage but they had to settle for 2...boo hoo! Only 2 DVD 9's means less textures. PS3 will have better textures because of Blu Ray!
"These Large Textures Need Greater space to store"!
http://www.techtree.com/Ind...

Here is a video of John Carmack speaking about how the ps3 has more horsepower than the 360, its just harder to develop for!!! Which explains why most Multiplats perform better on 360, which explains why most Ps3 exclusives look better than the 360's.

I thank you Buying1999 for giving me the privledge of owning the crap out of all you bots. Thats why I said you should "Do your own research!" in the first place. Biased research wont get you anywhere! (I dont expect you to reply to this)

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Major_Tom - 105 days 15 hours ago

Things break, and while we're on the topic about how things break. How about we cite a frequently recurring issue called the RROD.

How do you expect to win a conversation about reliable hardware without looking like an ass.

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TheMART at Xboxkings - 105 days 15 hours ago

You know whats the worst thing?

Sony will let you pay 200 Euro to get back someone elses refurbished PS3 (not even your own) and only extend the warranty with THREE MONTHS.

That's insane after just one year. MS at least gives one 3 years of warranty and you get back your own 360 repaired.

200 Euro. Thats half a new PS3. And a BluRay diode costs something 10 to 20 Euro. What the hell is SOny doing for 200 Euro?!?!?

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@ Ultimate Revenge (below)

"Mart they Just fix the PS3 you sent in and send it back but if it's in a critical condition (which it probably never is)"

I went back to the shops after 3 weeks with the dead BluRay, they gave me a new one. Which it probably never is? Mine was after 3 weeks. Sony doesn't fix it after 1 year, you have to pay then first 200 EUro in Europe.

"then they just make a new one for you, and why would Sony send you a used PS3 when the PS3 you sent in is perfectly fine but with jut a BD error?"

Because they do so. They want you to receive the PS3 instead of waiting on it I guess. But still it takes a long time. It has been on a TV show overhere, people got back someone elses refurbished PS3 which broke down again after just some month (ofcourse outside the 3 months extended warranty given when you paid 200 Euro).

"Another thing the YLOD can be fixed within an hour or 2 at home and it'll never break again after that one fix but you can't do that on the 360 now can you? No! I don't think so. "

Uh first, you open your 400 Euro PS3? Nice. Can't do that on the 360? Yes you can. Fixing RROD is called an Xclamp fix. Go read up kiddy.

O"h and Mart with every replaced PS3 a customer gets his/her warranty extended for another 1 year and the reason why it's only 1 year is because I can guarantee you that it won't ever break down after the first fix for like another 8-9 years especially if you sent it in to get your BD Drive fixed so YOU FAIL!"

Nope its 3 months in Europe after the 1st year and paying 200 Euro to get it fixed. You can guarantee me that it won't break down for another 8 to 9 years? Wow! How comes a new one from the shops broke down in 3 weeks then?

"You can even extend your warranty from the shop you purchased the PS3 from so if the PS3 does break then not only do you get a new warranty from Sony but you also still have the shops warranty still on your PS3. "

Ah, pay for warranty for Sony putting out bad BluRay diodes? No thanks dude. How stupid are ya.

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Saaking - 105 days 14 hours ago

The PS3's failure rate is in the acceptable zone of 1-3% so don't even try comparing it to the 360's abysmal failure rate. Sony's first party developers are some of the best in the industry and that's a fact. As for your statement that it "Takes too long" to make a game, GOW III has only taken 2 1/2 years and uncharted 2 only took 2 years. Killzone 2 took along time because it was a massive project and they had to build the engine from scratch.

The bad parts is, even if developers learn to use the full power of the PS3 they won't be able to because the x360 will be there to gimp it.

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buying1999 - 105 days 10 hours ago

Well here you are again trying to justify your PS3. Let's see. Gears 2 actually released Nov 2008 Gears 3 wasn't even announced until dec2008 and is to be released in 2010. Unless my math is way off that's not 2.5 years lol....you should've got that almight CELL to do your math for you on that one ROFL.
Oh and if you're talk about Killzone 2 and talk about gimping games you should remember that Killzone is a first party game. Oh and did you even read the article about what this VERY EDUCATED AND PRACTICED developer said? I don't think you did. LOL.....yeah you read it, you just don't like what it has to say LOL. Figured you and the clones would be used to it by now. Oh almost forgot GO BLU-RAY!!!!!!

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Saaking - 105 days 14 hours ago

I like Too Human because it's not on the PS3

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cyborg6971 - 105 days 14 hours ago

I like the ps3 cause it's not a 360.

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