Universal PS3 Trophy support thrown into doubt

blu3print - 530 days 16 hours ago

is to be expected, they wouldn't even patch in DS3 support.The way how gamers support that game claiming it the best ever, playing it basically non-stop and this is the thanks they get

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thor - 530 days 16 hours ago

Yeah they really have shunned PS3 gamers. I have COD4 for PC, I got the map pack for free (not that it was that great, doubt if anyone plays it much now) and of course there is no rumble but I can play the game in an HD resolution, with decent controls and lag-free online...

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Lifendz - 530 days 16 hours ago

I want every game from LBP on to have Trohpy support. If it doesn't have it then maybe it's an indie game or a PS2/PS1 classic. But I'd really like to see ALL games have trophy support after LBP.

I like that we have it in place. I like that it's not "cheesy" or "corny". The multtiered system is sweet.

If Devs don't want to take the time/money to patch it in for past games they darn sure had better have it in future games.

Sony has stayed above water by not holding 3rd parties to any edicts like MS: download size, etc. Times have changed. Sony's install base is strong and the console is selling well. Time to mandate that 3rd parties use trophies in all games.

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plenty a tool - 530 days 14 hours ago

unlike games on the 360, they have no obligation to put trophies in their games, but not just that, why bother when wasting resources for a game that's already 7 months old. and again waste resources when you have bigger and better things in development???

to think that devs and publishers are just gonna say.

"wow 2.40 is here, let's drop everything and work on trophies for it" is a bit niave!

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mikeslemonade - 530 days 12 hours ago

Microsoft forcing things to happen isn't always a good thing it prevents developers freedom. Achievements might be good because it doesn't take much work, but forcing online in every game and forcing the arcade game limit to not reach past the certain limit.

And developers implementing achievements in older games is stupid. That's like xbox 1 games having achievements. It's here on out the games will all have achievements. 1st party games will have them no doubt and 3rd party games they will just copy over whatever achievements the 360 version has.

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fusionboxer - 530 days 3 hours ago

I don't even know why there's any doubt at all. Trophy support will most likely be universal for all the new games on their way. Insomniac, Infinity Ward, and some others might've said they won't patch old games with trophies, but Insomniac has already confirmed trophy support for Resistance 2, and Infinity Ward said they would have loved to implement such a feature on release day or shortly after. So again...why is there any doubt for future universal trophy support?

Anyway

If other developers paid any attention to the huge spike in sales for super stardust HD and it's expansion pack EVERYONE would be patching up old games this very moment.

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ThanatosDMC - 529 days 20 hours ago

COD4 not supporting might have to do with COD5 being in development. They're probably busy.

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Organic_Chemistry - 529 days 18 hours ago

To be honest with you all, the only thing that got me to take MGS4 out of the ps3 and put in CoD4 was the hope that there would be some reason to play CoD4 with trophies, but since theyre not going to patch in trophies, IW suck suck balls cause' theyre not getting my money for CoD6, IW is a POS, Konami, however, actually cares about its customers, guess you cant rely on American money monger businesses

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BananaSlug - 530 days 16 hours ago

dont blame the developers for something sony should have had a long time ago

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kewlkat007 - 530 days 16 hours ago

but then again you can't blame them, it's the Devs that implement most of online functions themselves.

On XBL it's the other way around. The dev do little work besides putting achievement in every game and implementing the multi-player functions if the game have it. MS takes care of the rest.

Sony doesn't have every dev on the same page, so they do what they want, when they feel like it or they are just not obligated.Part of it is lazyness or maybe they wanna focus on new games.

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Panthers - 530 days 11 hours ago

Freedom is one of the things that attracts devs to the PS3 though. Creating trophies is easy and it will probably be in every future game. Patching them in would probably be easy too, but whatever.

I would like to see Resistance have them.

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KLEPTOMANIAC - 530 days 1 hour ago

is that these damn "2.4 was a failure" articles wont be plaguing n4g for the coming days.

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Bucky Sligo - 530 days 16 hours ago

Don't blame the developers, blame Sony for only patching it on this late. The developers don't have time to patch all their games for features that Sony only added now.

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BananaSlug - 530 days 16 hours ago

insomniac has put out 2 exclusive big budget games for Sony on the ps3, and is on their third exclusive for the ps3. they have been making exclusives since the ps1, so don't talk like they don't care about Sony fans.

cod4 is a multiplatform game that runs, looks, and plays pretty well on the ps3 when compared to other multiplatform games, so don't talk like they don't care about Sony fans

get over it. Sony should have had ds3 and trophy functionality much sooner.

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xboxftw - 530 days 15 hours ago

LOL @ hulligan

"i'll be voting with my wallet and not buying anymore of their games. "

The only games worth on ps3 are by these developers in last 2 years so now you'll be only buying capcom and Ea games. Oh wait, i though sony fans boycotted them as well. And dont forget to add valve to ur list. Great now u hv 2 games to look forward to for the next 2 years.

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Infernus - 530 days 1 hour ago

I wouldn't go out and say that if I were you, the teams listed were talking about patching previous titles. Apparantely Sony are going to make sure all future games have trophy support to get certified as a PS3 game. So yeah future games will have them. Patching COD4 when they're working on COD5 is a little tough, I think they should get the PSN games updated first, then the big titles by the beginning of September, before LBP hits.

I see LBP as the Home-ready game for Sony, it's the community game that will lead people into Home. I don't necessarily think trophies will help do that but I believe trophy support is required for Sony to be able to hype up the 3D trophy functionality in Home. R2 and Motorstorm 2 will have trophies and I'm sure you don't need me to list anymore future titles, Sony haven't just given us a trophy system without planning the dev support for it.

They have it covered, just be patient and wait for the patches to start rolling in. Btw Warhawk could count as a PSN game, so patch it up fast Sony :D

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TheExecutive - 530 days 15 hours ago

exactly. However, I do expect games that are in mid development now to have them. That and in-game music. if they dont, it will be one more reason not to buy a game.

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Legion - 530 days 16 hours ago

You act as if only a minority would or should turn someone in for racial remarks? That in itself is ignorant.

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Blackcanary - 530 days 14 hours ago

Ok sorry what i should of said that there is some one on this site calling Black people Niggers.
Your right even thoe i didn't mean it to the way it i wrote kind of sounded like i am a ignorant so let me re write what i said.

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Name: W RICKKKY

i repeat report him if u see him.

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darkpower - 530 days 9 hours ago

....what does this have to do with anything here? This is TOO OT!

And why can't we use the F or S bombs here but this idiot (I guess two idiots if this guy's claim is accurate) can use the N word on this site and get past the censors? Something is completely wrong there.

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Sitris - 530 days 16 hours ago

My words exactly!!! ^^^^^^^^^^

PSN ID: Sitris

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B-Rein - 530 days 15 hours ago

coudnt have put it any better XD

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Legion - 530 days 16 hours ago

Vampire Rain maybe... (never played it though)

Two Worlds was rated too harshly though. It has a level of entertainment that people over look because they nit pick on a few areas that they didn't care for.

I too didn't give it a chance the first time I played it. I tossed it aside and called it crap. Then for some unknown reason I went back and tried it again, and gave it the chance it needed. I didn't just jump into every battle and get my butt whipped and over looked the corny language and just played the game for the good it actually had.

The game was fun...! And would be a bargain for anyone looking for a nice Oblivion alternative. Give it a try, seeing that you can pick up a cheap copy now. And for those who haven't REALLY given it a chance... You are just ignorant.

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TheExecutive - 530 days 15 hours ago

Ahem, I agree with you completely. However, since Sony is leaving it up to the developers (I think its a mistake but maybe its just for now?), they better have support for all of the XMB functions + trophy support.

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Infernus - 530 days ago

^^see what I did there lol^^

I agree with you, I think leaving it solely up to the devs is a bad idea, Sony needs to push trophies upon them a bit and tell them support is important without pushing it on them too hard and ending up looking like an overly eager beaver.

I heard about Sony not letting games through unless they had trophy support, that's a good idea and would obviously work, I think maybe start that with 2009 games though, forcing games that are in the latter stages of development for this year to suddenly have to have trophies is a bit unfair. Many devs say they'll have trophies, which is great, but the licensing hold shouldn't apply to 08.

Home will drill trophy support further into the minds of the devs, when 2D becomes 3D and the games can advertise within Home. I'm sure they'll want a video screen informing Home-goers of the trophies they can unlock for the game, Home could end up as a secondary marketing platform as Sony half-intend or it could end up solely as a community-based social fest. I hope it's a bit of both, but trophy support will be an advantage for games and a big selling point.

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Infernus - 530 days ago

People wanted 2.40 to come as soon as possible. I'm not saying Sony rushed it, because they obviously tested it before release, but pitching a fit about a FW update is a bit ridiculous. I see nothing bad about updating and getting new stuff for free. igXMB is a blessing for those wanting to message their friends cross-game, the trophies in SS:HD have had me playing through it to get them all so reply value has increased.

to those that have had corruption issues, this is usually caused by connection instability breaking up the update as you download it. I've had problems with 1 FW update in the past but it just started up again and had no issues form there.

Reformatting the HDD because of 2.40 is most probably caused by either a dodgy wireless connection that puts strain on the download or previous FW updates have been downloaded and are unstable due to a dodgy connection.

It's not on Sony's end, it's on the users, especially if they intend on putting it back up soon. I've had no issues with it and see no cons to an update... I wasn't expecting day 1 patches for trophies, I wasn't expecting previous games to get them but future games should have them, starting with LBP!

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Sitris - 530 days 16 hours ago

I was one of those 50,000 lol needed to see trophies but sadly haven't had a chance to play it lol
anyway this time next year we will be playing all games with trophies so meh, i can wait for all games, but i atm im waiting for Warhawk support WOOT

PSN ID: Sitris

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SafeRat - 530 days 14 hours ago

Downloaded July 2nd ... Obtained my final 12th trophy an hour ago :)

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Infernus - 530 days ago

"Last i heard was achievements and gamer score were useless and no one except die hard 360 owners really cared for them. Hmm must be the same disease which made the sony fans suddenly love and accept rumble."

Two major points to make here. Firstly, I think having a trophy and levelling system is much better than achievements and a gamerscore, I shall explain; the trophies are easily comparable, visible indications of what someone has achieved in a game. The 360 gamerscore is a number, a random number that isn't very easily comparable and is much less of a tool for community/social comparisons amongst friends.

Secondly, unless you're completely unaware of the existance of previous consoles known as the PS1 & PS2, you'll know that rumble was introduced in the DualShock controller. MS took that controller layout and swapped the left stick around to produce the 360 controller. Rumble inclusion in the Sixaxis was out of Sony's control, it wasn't that they didn't want rumble it was that they couldn't have rumble in the Sixaxis. Te DS3 is a great controller, it's the 'true' PS3 controller.

Sony fans never suddenly hopped up and embraced rumble, they've had it for years, longer than MS have been in the console market.

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TheExecutive - 530 days 15 hours ago

Useless and lazy? they built a fantastic game and lets face it, if sony would have had trophies and DS3 out in time they would have implimented both.

Infinity Ward moved on to do other things.

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Blackcanary - 529 days 16 hours ago

Dude get ur facts right about Sony and the DS3.

The reason why it took a long time for the DS3 to come is because Sony and MS got sued for useing a Pantent in the controller which is rumble i think with out paying for it. MS payed company that sued them straight away but Sony didn't it took Sony a very long time to Pay the company when they should of pay for the patent in the first places thats why it took so long for the DS3 to come out Sony wasn't lazy they got sued.

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TheExecutive - 530 days 14 hours ago

yeah i agree with you but by next year (January) I think we should be getting the xmb features out of the games. If nothing else, pressure from gamers and the competition should drive developers to put them in. Still, I hope sony requires it in order for them to license the game.

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waseem335 - 530 days 16 hours ago

developers are just 2 lazy!!! sony have said it only takes half a day to implement them onto a game so wtf are the devs playin at!!!!

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xboxftw - 530 days 15 hours ago

@waseem / nasim/shmee tanod/lenhart and 20 other identities

"developers are just 2 lazy" They are busy making new games for consoles not waiting for lazy a$$ sony to implement features 10 years after teh launch. You ignorant idiot blame sony not the devs. Evertime sony screws up u droids put blame on MS, lazy devs, corrupt politicians, global warming etc.

You got the raw deal of bd player with half of games console live with it stop blamming others for sony's fcking mistakes.

It takes half a day, either go make it urself of tell ur God Sony to make it for all games.

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Pain - 530 days 10 hours ago

Just make sure NEW games have it. other then that who gives a Sh!t.

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ThatCanadianguy420 - 530 days 9 hours ago

Notice how all these 360 fanatics are going through the seven stages..

denial,anger,resentment,jelou sy,ignorance,deppresion,And soon
Acceptance.

THE ONLY THING 360 fanboys had left to say was better was there online,now that's gone..they dont know what to do.

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xboxftw - 530 days 15 hours ago

Agreed. And the nerve of these droids calling IW and other lazy. These idiots shud thank them for giving them games in teh first place even with pathetic haphazardly placed components in ps3. Why teh hell shud they go back on something they released almost year ago for satisfying the few hundred droids who bought their games.

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Egzekutor - 530 days 15 hours ago

I agree with you.. They release a new firmware supporting in-game music and trophies very late and they expect developers to come up with a patch just like that, when the developers are currently working on other complex things, that cant be disturbed..

Too bad that I wont see any trophies for the COD4.. we will just have to look forward to future games like Killzone , Res 2, LBP etc..

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n to the b - 530 days 4 hours ago

well, not LIE so much as MISLEAD (they always cover their asses that's all they care about so no they don't outright LIE usually). sony misleads with their Trophies promises and with their psuedo-silence about the lack of backwards-compatibility on their new PS3s (this is what I've heard, not 100% sure. but I bet if the new model's boxes say it anywhere it's in VERY small print.) but guess what? microsoft misleads, too. I don't remember reading anywhere that content I bought online wouldn't be accessible offline, once the console was swapped. it's criminal IMO, the way they try to prevent piracy at the expense of the end-users. THAT'S YOUR COST TO COVER, MICROSOFT, AND I'M P1SSED!

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N4G-GaMr - 530 days 14 hours ago

I doubt your a dev and if you are your a simple minded biased one @ that.

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PimpHandHappy - 530 days 14 hours ago

Most of the ps3's architecture is half a$$ed for gaming. They half heartdly copied wii's motion and now copying 360's online features and expect us devs to do their dirty work of fixing games

how is it most? If it can play COD and GTA i would have to say it has all the makings of a game machine....can we say the Wii can play these two games? The best and biggest multi-platform games so far this gen

How did they copy the Wii? The 6axixs is a real controler! It even looks like the same controler as 10 years ago!

i always wonder whats its like to live in a fantasy world....let me try it

Im making a game on the PS3....its the best thing i have ever worked on

yea thats kinda fun

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ThatCanadianguy420 - 530 days 9 hours ago

Wii's motion control system has been used in arcades YEARS before it was on Wii,hell there was even a ps1 motion controller for warhawk back in 1995.and your comment about PS3 architecture..

lmao..really made me burst out laughing.

please explain IN CRYSTAL CLEAR DETAIL how PS3's architecture
isnt on par with 360?

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testerg35 - 530 days 12 hours ago

I guess you didn't read the thread about IW not patching COD4. Tons of PS3 users calling IW lazy.

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n to the b - 530 days 4 hours ago

I thought that sh1t was pretty d@mn new. my bad. would you please let me know what cool new tech has already made HDMI a useless relic?

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why do droids cry - 529 days 18 hours ago

'YER ALL THINGS THAT ARE TO DO WITH ACHEIVMENTS and stuff like that ARE STUPID'
1 week later
sony announces trophys
'trophys are brilliant, thankyou sony for making us controdict our selfs backwards for your sony ass.'

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