It's a Mistake for Destiny to Not Be on PC

Yesterday, Bungie unveiled the product of a lucrative ten-year deal with Activision. But one odd nugget stuck out: no PC edition was announced. Just consoles. That's a wrongheaded move.

[Hellsvacancy]

PC gamers always wanting our console games yet criticize us console gamers because we have "inferior" versions of games

Funny old world

[Pandamobile]

Forgive us PC gamers for wanting games... At this stage of the game, it's a pretty silly move for a game of this calibre and genre to not be coming to PC.

And don't act like you've never seen console gamers clamouring for a console version of a PC game.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

No, don't try it make it out to be that Hellsvacancy is saying that you guys can't want games. You guys always down talk console gamers for having inferior versions of a game yet always cry for Xbox exclusives and Rockstar games to come over to the PC, it is kind of ironic you gotta admit.

Anyway I don't think it's silly at all for Bungie to not bring this on the PC. Bungie brought up a good point on how using a controller is the way to go and i agree. Mouse and keyboard wasn't meant for gaming. It was meant for typing and double clicking. Also add on to the fact that they wouldn't have to worry about piracy. I'm sure Activision is pushing for Bungie to not release destiny on the PC as well. I mean look at how much their BIGGEST game in CoD game sold on the PC at launch compared to the Vita version lol. Piracy is a HUGE problem on the PC. So it would be wise, not silly, to not bring it on the PC in my opinion.

**"And don't act like you've never seen console gamers clamouring for a console version of a PC game."**

Not as much as the reverse though and it's not like console gamers trash PC versions of games anyway.

[Pandamobile]

"a controller is the way to go" What a laughable statement that is; especially for a first person shooter.

"Mouse and keyboard wasn't meant for gaming. It was meant for typing and double clicking"

Hahaha, wow...

As it turns out, it's still the best input method for the very genre of games that Destiny falls under.

Publishers can blame consumers for piracy all they want, but we all know it's more of a service issue than anything. And if the game is has a focus on multiplayer (either competitive, or merely a persistent online world), piracy becomes a moot issue because people with illegitimate copies of the game can (almost) never play online.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

***"As it turns out, it's still the best input method for the very genre of games that Destiny falls under."***

Yeah... if you don't care about skill... The mouse gives you unrealistic precision. There's no aiming at all... just point and shoot.

Edit: @ below

***"So what you're telling me is that aiming in an FPS is more "realistic" with a controller because it's slower and more imprecise?"***

Exactly. We humans are not born with twitch reflexes with the keen eye of a hawk. Using a controller requires more skill to use and is more realistic.

[Pandamobile]

Lol, wow. Your ignorance is unmatched my friend.

So what you're telling me is that aiming in an FPS is more "realistic" with a controller because it's slower and more imprecise?

That makes so much sense.

[evilhasitsway]

that maybe true but do we get them no. so why should pc gamers get our games. i am on both but i think pc have plenty of fps and mmos systems need more mmos. the only one is dc on ps3 and a new ff that isnt out yet.

[Irishguy95]

Auto aim is realistic Panda

Edit - "Exactly. We humans are not born with twitch reflexes with the keen eye of a hawk"

Right right. We are born slow and retarded and have no room to improve

[DarkBlood]

@pandamobile your not helping the pc image laughing like that without providing a defense against @Outside_ofthe_box

[classic200]

Even gabe newell stated the other day that keyboard and mouse cannot do everything right, eye tracking technology is a form of auto aim using our reflexes. Steam box is controller base with eye tracking and biometrics.

I love mouse and keyboard but it lacks many things from vibration to the feel of a gun in FPS. Also I can never play fighting or action adventure games with keyboard and mouse.

[MaxXAttaxX]

""don't act like you've never seen console gamers clamouring for a console version of a PC game.""

I don't think we have to. Developers like Valve are giving them to us left and right.

I agree that a mouse is better for FPS. However it is not more realistic than auto-aim or aim assist. It does not take anywhere near as much effort in real life to aim a gun at a target as it does with manual aim in games.

[aliengmr]

@DarkBlood

Can't argue with beliefs.

Frankly its a coping argument. Its what makes you feel better when you know that KB&M will dust a controller competitively.

Cross-platform play would completely settle the argument right away. Full integration, and online gaming with a controller becomes much less fun. This is fact, and exactly why we don't have it.

If you get "emmersion" from a controller, fine. But to claim its outdated, that's laughable. Advantages are still advantages whether you like it or not.

[Mutant-Spud]

"Frankly its a coping argument. Its what makes you feel better when you know that KB&M will dust a controller competitively"

Look, who said anything about wanting cross platform play between consoles and PC, apart from the issue of balance from day one it'd be ruined by hackers, jeez it's bad enough on consoles as it is.
By all means Bungie, make a PC version, just don't link it into the console an mobile network, let them play their little KB&M power games in their own little bubble of self importance.

[BattleAxe]

In fairness Panda, I can't think of one PC exclusive game that console gamers have been clamoring for. Besides, my point of view is that the best games are on Playstation consoles, and for everything else there's Steam.

The only two things that make me want to play games on the PC are the awesome Steam deals on popular "console" games that I don't want to spend much money on, and the graphical adjustments that you get with PC versions of games.

Other than that, the gaming experience, the community experience and the quality of games on consoles like Uncharted, God or War, Killzone, Red Dead Redemption and Gran Turismo, give PC gaming and the quality of PC only games a major beat down. If it weren't for Steam, I wouldn't be gaming on my PC much if at all.

[aliengmr]

@Mutant-Spud

You completely missed my point. I never said anything about hacking.

And its not "self importance" it FACT. In a competitive environment KB&M wins. If it were "antiquated" it wouldn't offer the advantage it does. So yea balance would be an issue.

I was responding to the argument that because the controller is slower and has aim assist that means the KB&M is outdated. Which is a complete fantasy.

[Tr10wn]

""a controller is the way to go" What a laughable statement that is; especially for a first person shooter."

that isn't laughable, look at steam, they launched Big Picture so people can enjoy PC gaming quality with a controller in the living room or anywhere, i get your point that mouse and keyboard is way better for FPS but that's the only exception, i cant take mouse and keyboard over a controller for Skyrim or NFS or Fifa or Super Meat Boy or any other game that isnt a FPS oh and it has to be for online gameplay too i did play Farcry 3 with a controller and IMO was a better experience that way.

For the article
I really don't care i'll play the game anyways since i love Bungie, beside it was about time consoles get their own MMO, i'am a PC gamer and a console gamer and tbh PC gamers praise their peripherals and hardware i don't see what so special about keys and a pointer and how investing $800 on an upgrade is better than a next gen console that will probably cost $400 or $500 at max, my point in all this is that i don't see how is a mistake to launch Destiny as a console only title so that means that it was a mistake that Halo launches on Xbox and not on PC? at the end of the day it will probably launch for PC after 2 or 3 years like some leaked documents suggested.

[Ice2ms]

As far as controller vs keyboard and mouse goes, keyboards work best for FPS, RTS, MMOs, MOABs and point and click games... other than that go with a controller.

[bluetoto]

@panda

Honest question: how much skill is needed to point and click? Does the mouse not stop when you stop it? Is there a wrist skill I'm missing? Just how hard is it to move the cursor over his face and click?

I'm not trying to insult, but I keep hearing how skillful you have to be to game on pc but it only seems to be in fps's where you can point and click your way to a quick victory.

Of course M+K users will kill gamepad users when you just have to point and click and he has to adjust for so many other things and actually aim, or so it seems to me.

I find it odd that for something that takes so much skill is only shown in such a limited genre.

How does driving games handle with M+K?
Fighting?
tps's?
action?

just curious...and I'd like an actual answer from a pc'er and not some sneed remark without an actual point.

[RyuCloudStrife]

Its ok Panda you'll save some money now that you won't have to upgrade yor PC for this game.

[classic200]

Bungie is pretty smart, the crowded PC space with MMOs is not really a good idea right now and they want to take over the consoles with a well market MMO for console gamers who love story.

Bungie is using there heads

[showtimefolks]

no if its a shooter designed for consoles than its designed with controller in mind

nothing wrong with that. but to pc gamers there maybe plenty wrong with that. farcry 3 sold over 1 million so there is a market where if you make great games PC gamers will buy and support it

but i guess bungie's loss, i am a console gamer and i feel like there is nothing wrong with being a PC gamer of wanting some Console games. I know there are some PC games i want for Console so i guess it works both ways

[joab777]

Its not a mistake if Microsoft is gonna use it to sell consoles. There is some type of exclusivity for the 1st iteration, whether its simply timed or like mass effect but it could make MS lots of $. It may come to pc at some point but wont launch on pc because i am akmost sure the launch will be 720 only and then move to ps4. Who knows, if defiance is successful maybe we will see cross platform play. I am so surprised MS allowed it this one time.

[kevnb]

ya it is kinda sad, pc gamers get all kinds of exclusive games that are like Destiny but complain anyway. No idea why pc gamers ignore awesome games like planetside 2, guild wars 2, star craft 2, arma 3, dota 2, and just tons of other games. Yes I understand the business model on pc is completely different than it used to be, but that doesnt mean gaming on pc is dead...

[EZMickey]

This is a rant article and it only answers it's own question seriously in the last few lines, with the most of it being mostly a negative review of the Destiny press event.

Honestly, the author of this article writes well but fails to enlighten us as to why, when many publishers decide their games should skip the PC platform (or at least be delayed) Destiny should be on PC, as the title implies.

There's a potentially good article in the question the title poses but it's never invested in.

If you want to rant, go to a forum or start up a blog.

[SolidDuck]

I personally think mouse and keyboard controls suck. But PC gamers pick up a controller and go what the hell is this. I honestly think its whatever your used too. I'm much more accurate with a controller, but PC gamer will say the opposite. So who cares, enjoy what u like.

[SolDojo]

You can say there is a personal preference issue all you want.

Tell a game developer who wants a real competitive FPS environment to let the people playing with mouse and keyboard play against the people with controls, and tell them that the winners will receive large amounts of money.

They will look you in the eye, and with no dishonesty in their statement, tell you "That is not fair to the people with a controller."

Someone, refute this statement. I straight up dare you. I'm not saying that a baddie with a K+M will never lose to a pro level H4 player with a Xbox control. I AM saying, that given equal skill levels, the M+K is infinitely more accurate.

When a person selects something like say, Crysis 3 for PC over Xbox, they are gaining in their experience in almost every way, if you simply look at their options and the pros and cons of each, you are left to conclude there is no reason to purchase a console version, save for lack of a PC to play the superior version on. Choosing Xbox Crysis 3 because you only own an Xbox, and being better with that controller in the multiplayer environment doesn't make Crysis 3 for Xbox a better game from your point of view, it makes your point of view essentially irrelevant because you have no basis for real comparison.

Crysis 3 for PC is the superior version because regardless of which input method you prefer, you can use EITHER (Xbox controller for Windows is amazing), it's a personal choice. Xbox cannot offer you the ability to play with a Mouse if you wanted. It cannot offer you the high end graphics. It cannot offer you modability.

I appreciate the purpose consoles serve to gamers who are much more casual. Most of my gamer friends I've made online in WoW, the only other game they play is CoD on 360. That's fine. For me, who cares about MY OWN precision (not versus others in a MP match, but simply, when I went to shoot that guy in the face, I shot him right in the face...), I can only have respect for a mouse and keyboard, because it is the most accurate and fast.

Tell me again how slow human reactions are and why people are so slow and stupid that they can't mentally aim a gun as fast as a mouse and keyboard, because "humans dont react that fast in real life..."

That concept is actually absurd and completely disregards humans ability to think and react lightning fast to an outside stimuli. When you burn yourself, you move your hand from the heat BEFORE YOU THINK ABOUT IT. That's how fast humans react, faster than the speed of thought. Don't try to short change the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE because you're a shitty Xbox/PS fanboy, please.

[bluetoto]

"but simply, when I went to shoot that guy in the face, I shot him right in the face...), I can only have respect for a mouse and keyboard, because it is the most accurate and fast."

Honest question: how much skill is needed to point and click? Does the mouse not stop when you stop it? Is there a wrist skill I'm missing? Just how hard is it to move the cursor over his face and click?

I'm not trying to insult, but I keep hearing how skillful you have to be to game on pc but it only seems to be in fps's where you can point and click your way to a quick victory.

Of course M+K users will kill gamepad users when you just have to point and click and he has to adjust for so many other things and actually aim, or so it seems to me.

I find it odd that for something that takes so much skill is only shown in such a limited genre.

How does driving games handle with M+K?
Fighting?
tps's?
action?

just curious...and I'd like an actual answer from a pc'er and not some sneed remark without an actual point.

[SolDojo]

@blueto

I don't think it's a measure of skill, more so just that my thoughts translate into actions much quicker, which gives me the feeling that the game is responding back to me, and not the speed at which Developer X decided the gun is supposed to swing up and left while on Look Sensitivity Setting 7 out of 10.

Also, the only answer I have to how other genre's which don't focus on shooting (since tps vs. fps is essentially a stylistic choice for Devs), I will say that Street Fighter 4 and Darksiders 2 are FAR FAR better when played with an Xbox 360 controller for Windows, which is the main two games I could put forward to answer your questions. And in those specific situations (which is likely a console port worth playing), certainly, the game that was designed for a console controller works better with a console controller.

[pandehz]

@Outside_ofthe_Box

Im sorry to say this but you are a NOOB. Apologies to anyone who gets offended and I dont use that term very often but srsly your statements are utter bs

Lol that mouse and keyboard comment really made me realize how ignorant some ppl are.

I wish they would merge pc servers into console on BF3. Controller players will ragequit in seconds and call out 'hax hax hax' thats how big of a difference mouse/kb makes against controllers.

Also Bungie is stupid if they think kb/mouse is not the way to go. Anyways who is Bungie when compared to the actual fathers of fps games. Ask the actual fps makers who deal with mouse/kb and they will teach Bungie a thing or two.

If they figure out a more accurate/accessible/multitaski ng potential system of controls then I'll eat my words.

Btw anyone who wants a visual comparison just youtube mouse/kb vs controller. I dont want to post a video a seem biased.

[SJPFTW]

"I wish they would merge pc servers into console on BF3. Controller players will ragequit in seconds and call out 'hax hax hax' "

well obviously it is harder to play with a controller than it is with a mouse and keyboard. Developers don't want to put games on the PC, who cares deal with it.

[TechOne]

PC gamers are jelly over a console game, lol.

[pandehz]

Its a game and anyone who loves games would want to experience fresh stuff.

Sadly its your use of platform choice in your words is what causes flame wars like these.

Im a gamer and I prefer a platform. If a game that looked great to me and lauded by my friends and I dont get to play that, it does make me wanting.

Dont you feel the same?

[Gamer-Z]

For some reason I could never get used to playing with a keyboard and mouse, i thinks its because it feels like i'm typing a document instead of playing a game.

[annus]

You type documents by clicking? Or you play games by typing?

[KMCROC54]

Hey all I care is that the game be great & sell 3.5 million units in first month.

[porkChop]

Honestly, after them basically saying "Halo is teh most revolutionary game EVAR so nobody wanna play wif m&kb", they can fuck off. With an attitude like that, they won't ever get a penny from me. If you don't want to make a PC version, fine. Have a legitimate reason or don't have the resources? Fine. But if you're going to sit there and say something as ignorant and pretentious as that, then PC gamers are going to want nothing to do with you. It's especially stupid seeing as the game will have micro-transactions and the PC market has shown it's much more accepting of such practices.

[ATi_Elite]

As a member of the Glorious PC Gaming Master Race I say No it is NOT a mistake for Destiny to be left off the PC.

The PC has 100's of great MMo's and I see Destiny as a vehicle to introduce Consolers to the wonderful world of MMO's. Therefore make Destiny a Console exclusive and cater to the Consolers.

Would I like to see Destiny on the PC.....YES
Would I be disappointed if Destiny is not on the PC.....NO

I'm more hyped for Star Citizen and Survarium which are dedicated PC Games than Destiny plus Blizzard has their "Titan" MMO set to release soon so why be bothered with more competition on the PC side!

Let Destiny be a console exclusive, us PC Gamers have PLENTY to play! Hell PC Gamers will be getting a heavy influx of Guild Wars 2 DLC along with the new Elder Scrolls Game to enjoy.

[xBigxBossx]

I prefer controller over mouse and keyboard (ps3 and PC) I even bought xpadder because it feels more natural for me. But mouse and keyboard would win anyday in a competitive level over sticks lol. Think about hitting the x button on Microsoft word to exit out o a program.... You don't miss the button lol, you hit it without thinking. Your reflexes with a mouse in a fps would be more accurate. But hey I prefer playing with a controller, it makes me feel like I'm not at work :)

[aliengmr]

Its a mistake to even care really. Bungie's last release on PC was what? Oni? (I don't count the re-release of Halo)

On PC they have precisely no reputation after being MS's b***h all those years. When developers or publishers act this way towards the PC platform, I'm inclined to not even care.

Besides, with Bungie signing on to be MS's temp b****h, its going to be a couple years of waiting before the PC is considered anyway.

[Seafort]

Just wondering this is an MMO, right? How in the hell is MS, and to a lesser extent, Sony, allowing the patching for this game?

Most MMOs on PC have hotifxes and larger updates monthly. I mean 2GB+ patches. So is this game going to have no updates to fix the many bugs a game of this size will have or is MS allowing the large patches that this game will inevitably get?

On point, I'd rather Bungie not port Destiny to PC if they are just gonna make a lazy and uninspired port. It does seem like Bungie don't have any passion to bring the game to PC so just don't bother. Their ignorant and incorrect statements says it all and tells me they know jack shit about the PC gamer and the MMO market to date.

[aliengmr]

This is actually something I always wanted to know too.

[whamlollypop7]

This whole Destiny ordeal has been very underwhelming. The concept art was cool, but it always is. Overall it was very forgettable.

[kevnb]

Ill just play planetside 2 or something more tailored to my platform of choice.