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Does Nintendo Have What it Takes to Compete?

gamrReview's Ben Burnham: "It could very well develop a life as a secondary console in addition to whatever else people may own, and while this would definitely not be a great future for Nintendo's first HD effort, hitting a userbase of 20 million would still be a pretty big accomplishment for a system that's had as rough a time as the Wii U has. If this is the type of goal that Nintendo's shooting for, then after this E3 I'm more easily able to believe that it might be possible."

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Eonjay3578d ago (Edited 3578d ago )

In reference to the Wii's staggering 100m sales... the console was definitely mass market. During the last generation, all three consoles sold a total of 260m units.
If the Wii U doesn't have the same mass market appeal, does that mean we could see a market contraction this cycle?

Even if the PS4 and Xbox One both sold 100m, the Wii U would need to do 60m to support a similar sized market. This is why we want to see as many successful contenders as possible.

iamnsuperman3578d ago (Edited 3578d ago )

Your likely to see less total units pushed since mobile gaming has exploded amongst most younger and older gamers. Also the Wii sold to users who got a PS3 or 360 (the second console). So this would attribute to less total sales (adding all three together) since the consumer aren't seeing the Wii U as a second console or any other console but it is still early days for the One and PS4 (it would be a big disaster for Nintendo if the One and PS4 becomes that second console, they re cheaper than expected) .

FarEastOrient3577d ago

I agree, this market now includes the SteamBix, Android TV, Amazon Fire TV, and Apple TV. All of these devices going after entertainment dollars for the TV.

fonger083578d ago

Definitely, and it's not that the market has shrunk. Quite the opposite, even though we would never compare the likes of a PS4/Xb1 to the tablet/phone/Ouya/and now Amazon console(s) the video game market has expanded 10x fold. Competition for the mass market is extremely competitive. I think we'll see numbers closer to the GC/XBox/PS2 generation... unless this gen goes for a 7-10 year cycle.

60FramesPerSecond3578d ago

As much as i have loved nintendo in the past, i think they are out of touch with gamers. they have made games easier, less in-depth, and have released several games recently more appropriate as an expensive mobile game than what we have come to expect from nintendo. they have even claimed to be targeting mobile game ideas like pick up and play. i have lost faith in nintendo.

weekev153578d ago

See this is where I disagree with you. Its not that they are out of touch, its that they arent trying to be in touch with anyone.

This is the whole point of Nintendos philosophy, they come up with ideas then go "Does that sound fun? Yeah lets make it" whereas Sony would tend to go "Right here is our core audience what would they enjoy"

Neither philosophy is wrong, I personally prefer Nintendos approach because the devs seem to get more invested in the process and therefore when the games release they are super polished due to it being more of a labour of love than chasing down that dollar (although Im not saying that doesnt come into it)

iamnsuperman3578d ago (Edited 3578d ago )

But Nintendo's philosophy isn't working. Currently, apart from the Wii, there has been a decline from system to system of Nintendo's core fanbase or any other consumer buying their systems. If (saying if because currently it is unknown) the Wii U sales around the same or less than the Gamecube it shows Nintendo is out of touch in the home console business. Coming up will cool ideas is only good when the market sees it that way. Ultimately "chasing down the dollar" might be the best route for any console maker because it means you make stuff the market wants (which is extremely important in a market that is being flooded by cheap consoles, lots of games, services designed to replace consoles and so on. The market is becoming too overloaded to not "chase the dollar")

Edit: Although it could be said Nintendo does chase the dollar in a way by continuing to live in an ecosystem built by franchise they made many moons ago

fatneal3577d ago

@iamnsuperman heres the thing nintendo has a handheld every gen that sells atleast 60 million give or take...so they can always afford to try things with their home consoles...also the idea of their philosophy 'isnt working' might not be true at all. they profit every gen and ive read where they profitted more than sony during the ps2 era even though ps2 sold 120 million vs gamecubes 30 million...perceived as a failure or not working might not be the case at all in the long run

fatneal3577d ago

you screenname is '60framespersecond' NUFF SAID

King_of_Nothing3578d ago (Edited 3578d ago )

I think that they do, they have a devout fan base and some heavy hitting titles coming down the pipeline. It would have been nice if they stepped up to the plate sooner, but they seem to be heading in the right direction now.

fonger083578d ago

I think for Nintendo as long as they get back to profitabilty they'll probably consider the Wii U not a faliure but a miss. I'm sure they'll look at what they learned from going into the HD/online era and possibly try and reinvent themselves. Unless there's a complete change in philosophy, Nintendo will never go into the heavy tech/power house console level. I'm sure whatever they'll end up doing is different, will benefite them greatly from a 1st party perspective... and EA will complain regardless.

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With Chronicles Done, It's Time to Make Xenoblade X: Definitive Edition

With Chronicles finished, it's time to return to the mechs and mysteries of Mira

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jznrpg303d ago (Edited 303d ago )

Yea. I own it but don’t want to pull out the Wii U

Zeldafan64303d ago

I never unplugged my Wii U. Still play it almost daily but a definitive edition of X would be appreciated.

jznrpg302d ago (Edited 302d ago )

It’s one of the systems I have the least games for . Though there are some really good games on it. I have systems from Atari’s , Nintendo’s, Segas , TurboGrafx 16 , PS’s etc etc so I put a few in my game storage room. I do pull it out from time to time and I have a new one in a box but won’t open that .
But I’d really like to have a Chronicles X but not on Switch whatever the next console is preferably so they can add more quality to it .

Zeldafan64302d ago

Lucky, you didn't need to explain that.

Zeldafan64302d ago (Edited 302d ago )

Playing X at 1080/60 would be great so waiting for the Switch successor would be ideal but it wouldn't be smart to make it a launch game. It would suck waiting til 2025 to get X definitive edition but I think that's what will happen.

I know people say Wii U has no games but I've got over 100 games for it.

luckytrouble302d ago

I mean, when people say a system has "no games" they aren't saying the system literally had no games released on it. They're more commenting on the state of games that make the system worth owning. For many the Wii U never had a game that made the system worth owning, or if it did, it has a Switch port or successor at this point anyways so they were effectively proven correct to have never purchased a Wii U in the first place.

Yes, depending on the individual the Wii U remains worth owning for the handful of games still locked to it, but for many they'd rather just wait to see what else gets ported in the future at this point. There is exceptionally little you can only play on a Wii U these days though, especially with the eShop dead so anything that may have existed only on it is no longer of consequence to non-Wii U owners.

chaos999302d ago

They said it cost too much time to remap controls unfortunately

luckytrouble302d ago

In all fairness, that's probably a reason they're passing on a few of the still Wii U locked games. Starfox Zero, among the reasons you may not want to port it, would need its entire control scheme reworked from the ground up. Chronicles X may not be as extreme of a case (I don't know, I've never played or watched gameplay), but often unless a game is going to sell really well, it can be hard to convince a company to do more than the basic expected remaster work. Heck, a lot of people figure the only reason we got Galaxy 1 in the 3D All Stars collection for example is because they had already done the work for the Nvidia Shield port for China, which subsequently is likely the major reason they didn't include Galaxy 2. They simply did not want to remap the game controls. It may sound silly since it sounds so simple just by the words, but you have to figure more goes into it than you're probably thinking if it's that much of a sticking point.

DefaultComment302d ago

Yes, I agree. We definitely need to retake Xenoblade Chronicles X which btw it left us on a cliffhanger suggesting there wiull be a XCX2 .... and im up for it.

isarai302d ago (Edited 302d ago )

I put so many hours into X, just please ad a music volume setting was going crazy walking around base and hearing

"UH UH... YEAH!.. YEAH!...YEAHYEAHYEEEEAAAAH!..U H UH!"

FinalFantasyFanatic302d ago

I can't believe they haven't done it yet, it's the Xenoblade game I'm most excited for, I would buy it in a heart beat.

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How Bayonetta's Character Has Changed Since 2009

Bayonetta's character design and abilities have changed a lot since the series debuted in 2009, with new costumes and dark arts in every title.

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Why Bayonetta 3 Is a Step Down From Its Predecessor

Many fans have been expressing their disappointment with Bayonetta 3. Here's why the recently released game is a clear step down from Bayonetta 2.

MadLad492d ago (Edited 492d ago )

Yet the Switch is much more powerful than the Wii U - the platform the second game released on. So you're just being negative to be negative with that comment.

anast492d ago

The voice acting wasn't as good...

jBlakeeper492d ago

Bayonetta herself doesn’t even look as good design wise.

-Foxtrot491d ago

I thought they focused on big kaiju like fights which felt gimmicky and thy brought this new character in to try and get away from the leading star

*Spoilers*

I mean they pretty much killed 3 big characters. They killed Jeanne, Luka and Bayonetta herself and it's not the fact they died it's how they died, we've seen Jeanne and Bayonetta survive countless things yet they go out by the lamest ways possible.