Charlie writes:
"Microsoft are failing. Bad. I bet this is probably the first bit of sense I’ve spoken in a long time. Why is Microsoft giving us services through a paid service on the Xbox 360 that we can probably get for free elsewhere? Let’s not falter; the PS Vita has services we can get else where too, but at least they’re free and at least you can actually take your Vita to places. To make matters worse, there’s a rumor going around that Microsoft are going to talk about MORE services for the Xbox 360 than actual games. And to make matters even worse, those “actual games” probably won’t even be games you play with a handheld controller. Stop this madness, Microsoft."
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Microsoft doesn't care about gamers anymore.
They are too arrogant. This is when Sony can take back America.
Less activated systems, on-line passes, talking up games like MAG then closing the company. Yeah, Sony cares.
those aren't verey valid reasons for why sony doesn't care. I'm sure someone else can find alot better reasons then the one you gave.
sony cares because they take risks!
there not sitting around scared of new ideas, they stand up and introduce them!
I own 3 ps3s and online passes and less activated systems have made a big difference in my household. I also owned a PSP Go but got rid of it as soon as they announced they were dropping around it April last year.
As for MAG, Sony hyped that game big time and it was average at best. If they had cared about gamers they would have been honest about the game don't you think?
In a nutshell, Microsoft doesn't excel at E3 for the simple reason that they don't have to. The forum dwellers who whine about Microsoft once again having a poor E3 are ignored by Microsoft. Why? Because they don't need ur business. A new Halo and COD is coming out. Millions are already guaranteed.
Why should MS worry about E3, becuase if MS doesnt show what they have planned for the future ppl will lose interest and not want to spend there money on their console. IF MS only shows services and Nintendo and Sony show games. Majority of TRUE gamers are going to spend their money on their consoles instead of a console offering only services and 1-2 games a year. What happens to MS when they lose COD and Halo?? they pretty much have nothing to fall back on. Sony and Nintendo however have something to fall back on because they have taken those chances on games and they are now successful franchises on their system.
And whats with your "true" gamer argument. People who don't like what you like aren't true gamers? LOL, where do u people come from? Serious question. What makes a 360 gamer less of a gamer than a PS3 gamer? What makes certain forms of entertainment more TRUE than others?
The 360 is still doing very well for a console that came out in 2005...and thats great competition for Sony. The better the 360, the more Sony will hustle, hence the more focus/value will be put in the PS3. Either way, as a TRUE gamer, I win.
Sony are the only company that actually cares for core gamers these days, it's so obvious it's the reason why I don't understand the hate towards Sony in the Media when they seem to be the only ones still faithful to gaming these days
The amount of support they are giving us gamers is amazing
They close one company and it means they don't care...they did that because the company failed to create games that were going to sell. It's just a typical bussiness decision, it's not like Sony didn't give them a chance.
You know for a user name like "Common Sense" why don't you use some.
@LOGICWINS
"And whats with your "true" gamer argument. People who don't like what you like aren't true gamers? LOL, where do u people come from? "
If someone is more excited for some services for their console rather then want games then yeah...I wouldn't say they are a gamer
"What makes a 360 gamer less of a gamer than a PS3 gamer? What makes certain forms of entertainment more TRUE than others? "
Don't try and twist Codemans words he didn't say all 360 gamers wern't true gamers he's just saying those who'd rather have services then games....you know the type of media which makes you a gamer.
When it comes to services and games on a GAMES console then it's obvious that games are a true form of enteritanment then services, it's what the console was made for. If it was a multi media TV hub which main focus was bring you didn't services like 4OD, ITV, BBC iPlayer etc then that would be the products true from of enterainment because that is what the product was made for.
Halo will never last forever and neither will COD. look at Rockband and Guitar hero and amany other great games from the past. Made millions of dollars and what did Activision do, they canned it. no game last forever and WHEN halo and COD die off MS will need something to replace them and with their first party catalog lacking while others are gaining ground MS will fine themselves in Nintendos shoes, only the other way around. with them changing from what their focus was back in 2005 (games) to what it is now in 2012 (entertainment) Devs will move on to make them for consoles where they games will actually be played on. Now will this actually happen who knows only time will tell. i personally see this next gen turning out this gen did only MS will be the Sony of this gen where Sony is MS actually caring about games. MS is adding things to Live which are nice for some ppl but are useless to others and while you HAVE to pay 60$ a year to play online u can go to PSN and have the option to pay for those extra services but still be able to play online if you dont buy them, in a less clutters ad filled environment. Sony doesnt have to hustle for anything they actually have games and thats all they care about. Not how many ads we can add to our dashboard. but all in all the Xbox is no longer a gaming console and should be treated as such.
since I've gone completely with digital downloads on my PS3 and on my PC with steam, I decided to go the same route with my 360. My system came with Alan Wake as a download for free, Forza 3 on two discs and then I bought Halo: Reach, Gear 1 and Gears 2. I honestly don't see any other games that I can't get on PS3 or Steam. Without some big game releases, the 360 is going to sink like the Titanic. Kinect has completely ruined everything for core gamers on the 360. I probably would have been better off buying a Wii instead, but the 360 only cost me $100.00, so I couldn't resist trying it out.
What is that u ask? Nothing. They see how hard sony has worked to release countless exclusives and they realize that for the most part, they arent lucrative. Xbox has ridden gears and halo and their cod dominance (which is dissipating) to glory.Now they may be right. But eventually it will catch up to them. I believe that they arent going to invest in this gen anymore unless its something that carries over to next gen, like services. I hope if this is the case that they are investing heavily into next gen. They must realize that it was their core gaming that drew everyone to them. So, i am not nervous yet. But i am getting there.
OK, how can adding new features whether found free elsewhere or not be failing? I mean you're already paying for the service, now if there is some type of feature that the overwhelming majority has been demanding and they keep adding trivial upgrades that's a problem, but simply upgrading a paid service isn't a failure although most dont need a browser its just a small upgrade, why not make improvements.
Where are all these exclusive ps3 games Sony folks keep screaming about vs what has been released on 360 so far this year, I mean please show this long list of must have ps3 games Sony folks swear micro is getting their butts kicked by, please, please do show, all I can think of off the top of my head is Starhawk good game but not exactly the killer app to wave pom-poms over. 360's had Witcher2, but neither has a pletheora of big time games to awe core gamers, ps3 folks just talk as if they do, hell other than Gears3 most of my time has been spent on ME3, Batman AC and the much hated MW3, hate me all you want but that game is just pure fun with friends, Batman AC is probably the best SP game only I played all year, yet their all Multi....so if there weren't so many great multi games, I'd only have Gear3, Forza4, and UC3 to play combined on my ps3 & 360 over the last year, quality over quantity, I don't play "the exclusives", I play games I enjoy. 360 is winning in America and did so last year WW because it excels at providing just that, great all around entertainment for pure gaming fun with friends and family.
"Less activated systems, on-line passes"
You forgot free online, youtube, facebook, twitter, porn (if that's your thing). PS Plus with great discounts, automatic patch updates, content worth 3 or 4 times worth the intial price (as an option). A portable console to game on the go, The list honestly just goes on.
But most of all a constant flow of fleshed out, pumped to the max AAA exclusives, not timed, not just console, but real, exclusive, experiences.
If you want to see talking up of games I suggest you watch Peter's talk up of Milo for Kinecto. Or even Star Wars for Kinect.
Exclusives are over rated. Name 5 big blockbuster exclusives that Sony has, that has managed to bring in 8 million in sales. You cant do it. Because most sony exclusives fail. I find plenty of games to play on my 360, and couldn't care less about generic exclusive number 100 on the PS3.
Services, Xbox Live is the best online gaming service in the world. Why do you think so many people don't mind paying for it? Thay can add all the apps they want, it just makes Live better after all. If sony wasn't so driven to push blu-ray down everyones throat, maybe they could have used a better processor than the Cell. PSN can't even do party chat for crying out loud.
So many sony fanboys and multiple account users jumped on this poor excuse for an opinion piece its truly pathetic.
on-line passes - Devs choose this not Sony so get real
talking up games like MAG then closing the company - MAG failed it did and companys won't stay around if they fail however Sony have invested in a lot of great companys and kept them around like Media Molocule where as MS shut them down completely e.g. RARE & Ensemble studios. The weak will die and great will survive.
MS are a hell of a lot worse than Sony when it comes to all them reasons so get off your high horse.
what are you talking about?
The reality is that every single game we shipped took twice as long as we said it was going to take, and cost twice as much to make," Bettner said. "Microsoft is a public company, they answer to their shareholders, and we were simply too expensive."
http://www.1up.com/news/ens...
"Sony have invested in a lot of great companys and kept them around like Media Molocule where as MS shut them down completely" MS never owned media molocule check your facts again.
"on-line passes - Devs choose this not Sony so get real". so Dev's and publishers choose to put online passes on sony 1st party studio games like uncharted,R3,ect? would that be sony, since they own the IP's and are their studios
Come on man how many gaming companies has M$ closed.
I can explain to you how Sony cares about gamers. They continue to bring out new franchise games along with continued support for the PS3 media service.
Again Sony said that the PS3 will be the complete entertainment hub back in 2006.
While M$ only wanted to make games Sony was concentrating on both areas, media entertainment, and gaming. Thus blu-ray, wifi, and web browser. All the stuff M$ and the media hated on, is now excepted by M$ and the media.
As far as online passes, how come your not complaining about paying to play online with Xbox live.
Come on use common sense.
True or "Core" gamers are people who play games outside the COD/Halo realm. It's hard to consider anyone who doesn't play anything else other than those two shooters a core gamer. Your logic on MS only needing to lean on those games to keep up with the competition is pathetic and yet true because that's what they'll do. No innovation, no drive, no reason to change. Xbox will be more of a cable box rather than a gaming console in the years to come.
You can defend it all you want but I've lost all respect for Xbox and what it had promised in the long run. I only hope that the MS mindset doesn't seep into Sony where we only get 1 or 2 rehashed exclusives a year with timed exclusive content for multiplatform games.
Sure this may seem like a great plan for people who play games when their COD/Halo comes out once a year but for those who enjoy the variety out there it's disgusting. They way developers have become lazy and comfortable with giving us the same sub par game over and over, because the casual majority supports it without even knowing the cost.
MS doesn't even try to push boundaries anymore with games, they look to appease the casuals like yourself who enjoy being spoon fed the same shit year after year.
True from a Hardcore gamers perspective.
The casuals are having an amazing year with all the exclusive kinect titles on xbox.
I expect 2013 to be an awsome year for the casuals.
I am happy for them.
First, they have to acknowledge that they've lost it.
disagree take one of my bubble if you want unlike many of y'all i have one account and will speak my mind.
what has MS delivered over the past 2 years exclusives wise? what are the exclusives coming for future? patcher has already said he seen MS conference and he said don't expect a lot of games. Expect voice search and other kinect features so correct me if i am wrong isn't xbox360 a gaming console who the fuck is asking for these features? This is why MS will not be successful moving forward to next xbox, you can not treat your fan base like this for 3 straight years and all of the sudden next gen come launch time you care about core gamers
i am glad nintendo is coming to HD gaming so i can get a wii-u and a ps4.
most MS fanboy sites are even asking what the hell is going on
enjoy halo 4 and another forza while both nintendo and sony fans will be enjoy real games made for gamers that you can't get on xbox360.
gears is done with exclusive and peter left the fable studio so what the heck is really going on? hopefully phil harrison will fix this but i seriously doubt it
Seriously, do you only play games that are SUPER DUPER EXCLUSIIIIVES!!!!11!??!?? This is the typical fanboyish response that makes me hate gamers.
They've given me Xbox Live party chat, something that PS3 only gamers will never truly understand or appreciate. Ever try coordinating a game that doesn't have a good lobby system with a friend on PS3? Like, say, Starhawk? I bought my PS3 for DC Universe Online when it came out and there was nothing more frustrating then trying to link up with my friends in the open world when the in game chat didn't work for the first few weeks.
I've never had a problem coordinating on my 360, because I'll sit in a Live Party all night and shoot the shiz with my friends, even if we aren't playing the same game, or hell, even if we aren't playing games at all. That is worth the $5 I would pay a month if I had ever paid full price for Xbox Live in the last four years.
Oh and to talk about the article at hand... one of the worst articles I have ever seen approved on this site, which is notoriously pro-Sony, so it isn't even remotely surprising.
Yeah, who wants Microsoft to constantly add new stuff when we are already paying for it anyway? Shame on them for making my Xbox Live go that much further!
I don't have these game problems everyone seems to speak of. I have both consoles and a PC I dropped $2200 into. I play whatever game I want whenever I want because I want to. It must suck not to be able to do the same, but I wouldn't know.
People spend waaaaaaay too much time whining about irrelevant drivel like this article when ultimately, it is completely irrelevant. Why does everything have to be a competition? Why does anyone even give half a crap? Weak.
I want to stick up for MS so badly but the head is too far up the ass for any fireman to save it.
"I am a console gamer first"
"I have both consoles and a PC I dropped $2200 into"
sounds like you should be a pc gamer first, but more on topic, do you really believe MS should be given a free pass on the games because the DEVS of the games decided to bring you 2 mentioned titles to xbox.
Because really MS had almost nothing to do with it. They used to pay for titles to be made for them, now they just let someone else make the title then say yeah we will have it. How is that even of any benefit to the industry?
At least Nintendo and Sony are trying to put something back into the industry. Microsoft are much more interested in leeching off it and if you don't see that then you must have missed the Xbox's golden years, because it actually was a good console quite some years ago now
microsoft are too arrogant, i agree.
but, sony are too broke. i just hope kaz can fix this mess.
False. They are actually making more money.
But that's not exactly the idea I was going for. I was more going for an "EPIC FAIL" type of thing, except less epic. You know. Like... they're doing something stupid.
Damnit now I want some apple pie.
Is it because of Kinect and all the software updates? The 360 has been the top selling console in the States for awhile now so they're obviously not pissing anyone off there.
Is it because they're not focusing on core games? That's what Sony did last gen with the PS2, right? And where is Sony this gen? Last place.
I'm not saying MS is making all the right moves but they're in no way destroying brand loyalty. Their first party retail lineup has been shit for a couple of years now, yet most of their exclusives still sell like crazy (unlike most of Sony's).
As far as software goes, people have to pay for services like Netflix AND for XBL if they want to use them on their Xbox, and the 360 is still the most used platform for Netflix.
Say what you will about Microsoft, the Xbox brand is more popular than it's ever been while showing no signs of slowing down, yet MS has been pulling the same strategy for a couple of years now.
Brand loyalty is not an issue for them. If they could survive the RROD ordeal (and they did), there's not much else they can do short of completely dropping the ball (like Sony did at the beginning of this gen) to destroy what they've built.
yeah but PS2 wasn't last gen was it so don't try and spin it.
You know exactly what focusing on core games done for the PS2, because it is the most successful console in history, so you decided to put PS2 and this gen in the same sentence.
What really concerns me is that you seem to back their agenda while admitting they're not making the right moves.
"As far as software goes, people have to pay for services like Netflix AND for XBL if they want to use them on their Xbox, and the 360 is still the most used platform for Netflix."
See this is the thing, you realize they are charging people for access to a service they already paid access to, and you support their actions. There should be nothing they can do or say to condone that sort of action but they get away with it without even being questioned on it
"yeah but PS2 wasn't last gen..."
PS2 isn't last gen? Are you smoking crack, dude? Yes the PlayStation 2 AKA, the 'PS2' is a last gen console. The PS3 is Sony's current gen console.
And yes, Sony went all out to support the PS2 with great first-party content and it sold like crazy, but that's my point. Despite going crazy with first party support both this gen and last, Sony has still lost a large chunk of their market share to Microsoft. So my point is that brand loyalty isn't 100% dependent on a good first-party lineup. Which is one of the many reasons why a lot of Xbox owners don't care that this is one area that Microsoft isn't pushing as much as they used to.
And holy fuck, please please PLEASE tell me how I am "backing their agenda" and "supporting their actions"?
I simply pointed out that they've been using the same strategy for several years, and it's working for them. I said nothing about my particular taste towards their products. In fact, I even called their first party lineup "shit" in my first comment, AND I pointed out their RROD fiasco.
I sincerely hope you respond to this because I'm aching to know how someone could possibly think that the PS2 isn't "last gen" and to explain how you could possibly take my words so far out of context.
Wow.
If no one complains, why change what you're doing?
Me personally my xbox has hardly been on in ages. Kinect has been a waste of my time and expect for the odd third party game that looks that bit better on xbox my Playstation has been the focus of my gaming.
Ad to that ive gotten proper back into hardcore PC gaming. Im in an active clan and i haven't atm got much reason to play my 360.
I have got halo4 preordered. I did not buy Gears like the last one it just didn't apeal to me. My xbox collection is vast but its an old school mix of exculsives. PGR Forzas Halos outside that its third party games and i can get better versions of them on my PC.
Playstation atm is giving me as a gamer what i want plenty to look forward to. Every time i look something new is on the horizion and they ain't just we crappy arcade games. Theres full releases i can get my teeth into from top developers.
I hoping for a good E3 from Microsoft tbh.
They sold paid XBL to gamers on the basis of cross game chat and general social support, online access, and now they're presenting it to casuals as a media center.
@ pirate thom. as ive said before and ill say it again, having a plethora of exclusives is good, great even! but in all honesty, for me, and looking at the way they sell in the real world outside of n4g, sonys exclusives aint all that. it is probably only 3 or 4 that are heavyhitters... the rest are forgettable. sorry.
@ god of mars. i dont really understand your point. it is just your typical nonsense in all honesty. but for me, live was the reason i got an xbox 360. coming off of the backof the xbox.
last gen, sonys exclusives werent held in the reverance that they are on n4g. i cant get my head round all this exclusive this exclusive that rubbish that gets spouted on here. i have a ps3, which gets used for the exclusive single player games that interest me.... which aint many in all honesty.
listen i know that sort of talk aint liked on here, but i think its time to man up. in the real world; apart from gran tourismo, metal gear (no idea if that will stay exclusive) and perhaps now uncharted and god of war, the rest of sonys games are not considered anything special.
sorry about that..
You may not have enjoyed PS3 exclusives as much as me for example, but you shouldn't call them forgettable on behalf of any other people.
They "aint all" that because they don't sell? Are seriously letting sales determine quality? Never mind the fact that they do in fact sell. Just because they don't sell like Halo or Gears doesn't mean that they don't sell.
***"the rest of sonys games are not considered anything special."***
Do you mind telling me 360 games that are considered special in the "real" world please?
im not using sales numbers to determine quality, just using them to highlight their popularity. which is clear that outside of n4g, they are not really considered!
and i never said that xbox games are considered special did i! again, just stating that it is only n4g that THINK that sonys games are special.
re-read what i wrote.
Says the one making fanboy-like comments...
***"just using them to highlight their popularity. which is clear that outside of n4g, they are not really considered!"***
I don't think anyone has ever said that they are popular. Just that most are of quality.
***"and i never said that xbox games are considered special did i!"***
Then why are you acting like PS3 games are the only ones not considered "special"?
Look, just because the games don't appeal to you doesn't mean they aren't "all that." Sony bringing out more exclusives isn't hurting anyone. And it appears that everyone knows this EVEN the haters so they result to pulling out sales figures in an attempt to making it look like a bad thing for Sony to continue to bring out more games which is really pathetic imo.
Granted that is still rubbish when PS3 is doing the same thing for free, but lets not bring up that debate for the billionth time...
You just answered your question saying that Sony does the same stuff for free. And i don't understand how it really could be a debate anymore. MS charges for the same stuff Sony doesn't charge for. There is no difference between download speeds since my 360 and PS3 download stuff at the same speeds give or take a few seconds. So nobody can really try to tell me that downloads on PSN are slower than XBL.
I used to have Live Gold and gave it up because I felt cheated having to pay for things that should be free which is why I mostly game on PS3 now. With that said, Live was a better overall experience which included better download speeds so nobody can really try to tell me that downloads on PSN are NOT slower than XBL. It better be faster considering the amount of money that MS continues to make on it.
The 360 is still selling good and people are still paying for LIVE and dont regret it despite the PS3 having Blu Rey, more exclusives and fron online and costing about the same.
All my 360 needs now is a N4G app, and I would would never have to use my crappy PC ever again.
I think the 360 is an awesome machine, and it keeps getting better, every year of the 5 years I have owned one.
Besides if I did say "are", then I would, more or less, be talking about the workers.
Why would MS have to make new games when another companies bring out games like the Witcher 2 for the 360.
The writer doesn't understand the concept of investing.
Otherwise this is a troll article. I really don't know why people approved this...
Thats bascially all he needed to do instead of writing this awful article. Would have saved him some time too :)
True they are free entirely on PS3, but its still not the point. You cant even use Netflix on the PS3 without being signed into PSN, and so you cant do so on the 360 without being on Live.
You can watch things with friends who have Netflix over Xbox Live too. Again, you pay for extra quality as opposed to the 2nd rate stuff PS3 offers, and im a PS3 gamer, but I will be kidding myself not to admit Live is better, and $4 a month is hardly going to bankrupt anyone who can afford to own a 360 to begin with.
"all in all the Xbox is no longer a gaming console and should be treated as such. " quote from above comms
The reason why is making games is expensive. So many made new games. And when they failed the companies failed too. Far more games fail than succeed. MS learned from their mistake like Rare. They now look before they buy. I know they have a seemingly inexhaustible amount of money. But it would be stupid to just squander it.
Sony has more studios and more in-house exclusives. But they don't have many more successful franchises this generation. MS can go sale for sale with them on in-house games.
Uncharted
LBP
White Knight Chronicles
inFamous
Heavy Rain
Valkyria Chronicles
Demon's Souls
Resistance
ModNation
MotorStorm
Warhawk/Starhawk
MAG
Continuing IPs:
Metal Gear
The Show
R&C
Gran Turismo
God of War
Killzone
Atelier
Disgaea
Sly Cooper
Yakuza
And easily another half dozen I didn't mention. Not ALL by Sony, but unsuccessful? According to whose standards? The "must sell ten million or more to be considered good" group?
Most of what you said has no bearing on this at all, except to hint that you think it's smarter for MS to make less games than for Sony to make more. You seem to have the process screwed up: you're thinking about companies going out of business because their games are bad(which is a given, isn't it? if you can't make a good game, you close your doors; this leads to just studios that can continue to make good games still being around). What you SHOULD be focusing on- unless you have stock in the companies- is the companies making good games, which leads to better sales(which, naturally, means they stay open).
MS can match Sony on the strength of two franchises; if either of them comes to an end(Gears?) or has a poor outing(Halo Anni.), the balance shifts to Sony. On the other hand, Sony can afford to have a franchise not do so well (SOCOM) and still measure up to Microsoft. And as long as they have that massive stable of current franchises, their ability to remain relevant in the gaming landscape will be better than Microsoft's at the least.
Let's put it another way: if, in addition to Halo and Gears- and to a lesser extent now, Forza and Fable- MS were releasing another four or five exclusive retail titles capable of reaching 3 million+, would that not be a benefit for both MS AND 360 owners?
For all the talk about PS3 owners not buying exclusives, a good number of them see a million or more sales. For those people that talk "sales, sales, sales" all the time, wouldn't their argument be more compelling if Microsoft had more than a handful of games that actually SOLD WELL?
And wouldn't that make gamers happy, too? It'd be a lot harder to disregard MS as being good for core gaming if they had HALF as many core offerings as Sony these past few years. What they lost on games they just MIGHT make back on console sales as people try getting into new games.
Investing. For all your talk about sales and companies failing, you constantly forget that investing in a gaming company, a gaming system, or a game is an investment and an inherent RISK. But it's a risk that will never pay off if you don't take it in the first place.
How much better could MS be if they supported their system with more core offerings that drew more people to their system?
Sony is depending on people actually buying these games. Many that you named didn't make much money for Sony. You're also obviously don't know what in-house means. Resistance 1 should have made money. the third definitely lost money. LBP 1 probably made money, 2 lost money. InFamous the same. Actually one could just as easily have lost money. All of the Killzones most likely lost money. And if the first two turned a profit, 3 wiped it all out. Motorstorm. Same. Notice a pattern.
There are a lot of companies that no longer exist that had popular games. Because while everyone wants good games. Companies want games that sell. It's about quality, not quantity. And sales, not quality. CoD is not the best shooter by a long shot. But Activision is doing well. They make a few movie tie-ins and a few major games. And a ton of money.
Sony makes a ton of games that don't sell. If they were all Uncharted, it would make sense. But they aren't.
Oh, and Hicken. Who made MAG? What are they doing now. Ask yourself why. Game sold over a million copies. Had to be a success, right?
Expect the 360 to still be around just much cheaper and advertised as a media box that plays games and the 720 to be advertised as a full on gaming machine.
I'm sorry but whats the point of paying for stuff I get free else where? For better online gaming? No because if that is the case, I can get that on PC. For cross party chat? No you can do that on your PC or just use your freaking cell phone.
Really you aren't getting anything for what you pay for Vs others, I think Microsoft needs to start doing their own Xbox Live Plus and give stuff away for free.
LMAO... N4G.
Seriously though the 360 has been a must own for me this gen. MS did alot for gamers like investing in jrpgs, new ip's like alan wake, getting pc centric games like metro 2033, mass effect, oblivion, divinity 2, risen, minecraft, the witcher 2 on consoles. They have had a great supply of games up until 2011 when it slowed abit. They still have great 3rd party support, a few great exclsuives a year, awesome xbla games, and alot of fun (alot of shitty) kinect stuff. I think they are working on next gen games as theyve been buying up studios left and right and have had great exclusives up until now. Next gen is a clean slate for all imo. Il go where the games are whether thats sony, ms, nintendo, or all/some of them. They all have to show me they mean buisiness and give me tons of great exclusives, if ms goes for media and kinect 2.0 im done with them.
I too will go where the games are, I want micro to get back more to their hardcore roots, bloody fighting games (remember when NG Black was badazz, so disappointed in what the franchise has become), action games with less cutscenes, no qte's, advanced rpg's like ME and of course hardcore shooters, unfortunately even though these type of exclusives have been few n far between over the last year for 360, the ps3 has never been particularly strong at that type of core gaming, next gen, who knows, but kinect kiddie games and Super LBP with another long list of forgettable jrpg's from micro & sony will both have me begging for an Apple to take over.
Assasins creed will be the same as all the rest, new setting or not. Black ops 2 same game - slightly updated graphics - GTA5 will be the same again with better graphics. Halo4 again is increased graphics from a different company.
Max payne was never the greatest game when i played the original on PC, minecraft is not my thing.
Witcher 2 is great game though.
If your sick of the same tried and tested games, you'll get bored of them.
Gta4 for example ran like shit on consoles alot of the time, the mp was laggy and ran at about 24fps, was not fun.
All rockstar games are tbh overhyped.
I'm sure there'll be some great games coming out, but those mentioned are not it for me.
Sadly, it has been this way for years.
I don't want apps and services to be more important than games on a console, I don't want to pay to use my internet connection when I already pay for it, I don't want a few token exclusives while the platform holder's focus on casual games (something XBox fans CRUCIFIED the Wii for).
And, yet, Sony and Nintendo will look at this and see the bottom line, money, and they're we're stuck with it as well because XBox users refuse to criticise it. At every turn, Microsoft can do no wrong. No exclusives? Multiplatform games are fine. Paying for online? The services warrants it. Jack up the price? Well, they're adding more features. Focus on Kinect? Kinect is fun and usually only an option! Having to pay a sub for features that are free on other devices? I pay for online gaming, everything else is just a nice extra.
Shocking.
I think most kinect games are crap, and I think most core 360 owners share that sentiment so stop pretending we haven't noticed, no core gamer is in love with kinect but you hiding behind an excuse just so people who should care the least can be the most vocal about a brand they don't prefer....truth is where we differ is what core ps3 owners seem to suggest the grass is so much greener on ps3 side of the fence its NOT the best 360 exclusives even while being few stand toe to toe with ps3's best, the rest of ps3 lineup is essentially just fillers in beween greatness, so excuse all us dumb Americans for not being so excited over Starhawk we don't know what we're missing. You know why multiplats are getting alot of attention because there's about 6-9 if not more awesome ones that drop every year vs the 2-3 360 or ps3 exclusive, hell yeah micro needs to deliver more in the core dept. but please juststop trying to convince us Sony is doing so much better with hits after hit like WKC, ModNation, Moto, MAG, R&Clank, Socom, Resistance, Starhawk, etc its nt exactly the same but similiar to Japan, 360 does not offer enough eccentric japanese style games so most of what it offer is just not drawing much attention, on a lesser scale obviously since American culture is alot more diverse but from where I sit neither console has it lock down as far as the must have exclusives are concerned. They both have just a handful. and like it or not all of them I mentioned will garner 1/10th the playtime and fun I'll get from Gears, and none of them have the lasting appeal even close to that of COD for the mass core gamers yet you still get to play them and enjoy them all the same. That's why I and many other Americans rate 360 higher than ps3.
How is Microsoft charging you to use your internet connection? Last time I checked you paid your ISP for that.
Show me proof that the 360 is now just a casual gamers console when it still gets exclusives and has the same access to multiplatform titles that the PS3 does.
I swear it's only on Pro-Sony websites that you find people such as Pirate Thom trying to pass off their anti-Microsoft opinion as fact. I own all 3 consoles this generation and by far I get the most use out of my 360. Did I miss the boat here?
But seriously, I agree with you. That's how it's been. 360 fans accept whatever Microsoft throws their way these days.
LMAO at trying to pass off a biased opinion as common sense. Maybe I'm wrong but maybe, just maybe the majority of Xbox users are happy with the system, the games and the service.
As I've said before, I refuse to pay for Live Gold because "I" felt sort of cheated. That in no way means MS is doing anything wrong and does not mean Xbox users are just accepting anything that MS throws at them. I have and will continue to support my favorite Xbox games just as I do my favorite PS games. Multiplayer though has been PSN only for me for years and will continue for many more as long as it stays free.
"LMAO at trying to pass off a biased opinion as common sense. Maybe I'm wrong but maybe, just maybe the majority of Xbox users are happy with the system, the games and the service."
Why did they have to laugh about PS3 not having games all the time in 2005-2008? Why did they have to predict doom on Blu-Ray every turn? Why did they blame the price of the PS3 for being too much only to turn around and give money to MS for the "bells and whistles" of the xblg?
How is Thom's comment a biased opinion? Explain.
as many people stated:
A) they INCREASED the price of LIVE
B) INCREASED ads
C) make apps that can only be accessed by PAYING FOR GOLD.
^^^ all of that makes no sense to me as on the PS3 you can get FREE games if you pay 45 bucks a year....
i just bought a vita, and loving it no cost to access twitter, facebook on the device.
MICROSOFT can eat a dick. i have no problem with the system itself for SINGLE PLAYER GAMES.
but they really dropped the ball. next gen im switching to orbis AND PC. again, enjoying my vita with FREE online play
Heaven forbid someone criticizes your console of choice. It's okay to criticize Sony and the PS3 but when it comes to the 360, no one can say anything.
And STFU, that's the main reason why I don't have a 360.
And I have purchased 5 xbox 360s since its launch, two died (One crappy launch Samsung drive, the other RROD) and three Zephyrs I used for multi screen Forza set up.
When I got a PS3, I rebought many games that were multiplatform.
I renewed my xbl Gold purely for Gears3 which has bored me now anyway.
In essence, Im sick of how msft does business.Next gen I will just hold out for a Sony console. Even if I cant afford it, Im going to wait till I can.
All I want is more games I don't care about services like Facebook and all that all I want is a game to play. And Microsoft is lacking in that department so they are flooding XBL with services I can do with my computer to make up for the lack of games. I have finished off Gears 3 tired of COD and I might give Halo 4 a run. But for a couple of months I have been playing my PS3 simple fact more games to play.
it 2012's, we should have had xbox720 in 2010 and ps4 in 2011
720p looks like ass, covered in jaggies and running at 20 frames....seriously every console game looks last gen
end this gen now!
*Reads comments & is confident that faith will never be restored*