Capcom recently released sales projections for several big upcoming games, and paint a stark contrast to their past statements regarding Dragon's Dogma. Does the company not expect the lofty expectations set to be reached any more?
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Capcom has screwed over the community with DLC and milked franchises nearly ever month this entire generation. Now they have finally released something that looks unique and interesting and they aren't going to support it? So weak. Especially since this is the first original thing they have done in ages.
Maybe it's better this way anyway. Although I was interested I can bet you they have chopped this game up so they can release unlockable costumes, weapons and quests for an arm and leg. Or should we wait for the release of Super Dragon's Dogma Gold Edition next year?
"Capcom has screwed over the community with DLC and milked franchises nearly ever month this entire generation"
That's why I don't plan to purchase any game from Capcom, SQ(except Hitman) and no more Call of Duty for me. I might just go back to PC gaming since Diablo 3 and Guildwars 2 are coming out soon.
You took a lowered sales projection and decided that meant they wouldn't support the game? O.o I'm sure they're looking at the dropping numbers on all the sales charts and revising their expectations, which is what they should do. Funny how a new IP being projected to sell 1.5 million is considered bad now.
I partially agree with everything you said and heres why. As a collective whole the gaming community continues to support DLC even though we as a whole bitch about it.
Its funny to see people up in arms on various web forums like ign,gamefaqs,here and other outlets and then go onto internet game streams to see the same people turn around and buy the game AND continue to bitch about DLC. Until gamers as a collective whole say F*ck you capcom and your DLC they are going to continue to be greedy.
P.s. I completely agree with mysticstrummer. The lowered sales expectations are nothing new and has been standard proceedure in any business. If the overall industry as a whole is seeing lower than normal sales then of course expectations will be lowered.
MysticStrummer, the opening paragraph blatantly states that 1.5 million for a new IP is fantastic. *Edit* I thought it did, I guess it was edited or something. It is mentioned in there, somewhere
Oh yeah you're that jaded gamer that saw everything in gaming ... maybe you could share your wisdom and find a game where i would say , casually use ice spell to create a climbing stair so i could land on the back of a dragon , keep climbing onto it , then proceed to pierce its head ?
If this game has disc locked content i wont be buying it for sure. Ill just get it from gamefly instead. Looks like a good game, but principles are principles.
eh again with Capcom and DLC jokes...it's getting old, seriously give it a rest! we are talking about an action "RPG!!" here it will have like approx 40 hrs of play time or even more "without" the DLCs...why only Capcom get blamed and hated for a something that is very common this gen and done by most game developers? i don't understand it
@ PersonaCat
late reply lol, see, Capcom isn't alone in this business, i "think" some devs like Capcom make the DLCs alongside the main game just to completely finish it and focus on other projects...
nobody knows if the content on SFxT were locked from actual full game or on-disc DLCs "i don't have problems with this one", but if it's really locked content from the game, then i'm totally against it!
also, i think they should remove the agree and disagree buttons completely from this site!
You dont understand because you are in love with anything Japanese. Capcom deserves all the flack they are getting because they ripped of us off. I don't know if they are going to try this with DD, but you'd be pretty stupid not to question it. And what other developer has put characters on a disc, locked them, then tried to resell them as dlc?
Capcom have always milked, with seemingly thousands of versions of street fighter 2 I think they invented it. Each version had small changes and different characters, like dlc for the full price of a game... Back then games were like 80-100 dollars apiece!
@ neckbear. (does that mean you have a neck as thick and hairy as a bear?). I am with you, and glad for putting up that link.
Has anyone thought that by putting 1.5m estimates how it will look for them whe. It sells over that amount? It'll be a "win" for them across the board.
Them saying this grand ole "10million" number and estimating for reals 1.5 is very smart as far as company goals goes. When they do hit over 1.5 mil, which I firmly believe they will, it makes the company look really good and they were pleasantly surprised. Companies have been doing this for years to make themselves look good to investors throughout the years.
Good business.
Now 7 mil for RE6 is going to be the tough number to hit.
Does anyone not think that when they said 10 million that they were crazy and obviously overhyping a game that would not sell that many if it were really, really good. They are releasing a week after diablo 3 and max payne 3. May is owned by rockstar and preorders for diablo 3 are historic. Add game of thrones to the mix, which already has a huge following and they may be a tad pessimistic. If it were a year in which skyrim, kingdoms of amalur amd the witcher 2 hadnt released and rpg fans were starving...Also, by the time ppl are done playing these games it will b september. With that being said, it may do well despite this, but not 10 million...10 million?!!!!
They mentioned they felt the game was good enough to sell ten million, not that they expected to sell ten million. Their expectations for the game were always of 1.5 million copies.
You should go and read those interviews when they mention that figure again, rather than speculating blindly for whatever reason.
EDIT: Even in last year's shareholder event, Dragon's Dogma was expected to sell 1,500,000 copies. See Page 14 of this document, dating from the previous fiscal year:
Thats good to know. It makes a huge difference. I really want to play it and im gonna try my best to do so. Hopefully in the summer. But, i need to finish batman, kingdoms, a second playthrough of me3 & 1 1/2 of the witcher 2. I love rpgs and the only thing that im worried about is the story. I liked the demo alot but how do i chose between that and game of thrones or max payne if i just go for a game thats gonna b great. Im glad i dont hav a pc right now cuz i really wanna play diablo 3 too. But, it does make more sense because they were not gonna sell 10 million. I think people just like to call others out. That may b fine but not if it isnt what they said.
Neckbear, I understand that it was that, but there expectation was always 1.5 million? They seem to be flip flopping around. In the article, it states that they think they'll easily clear 1,000,000 in Japan, alone, and go as far as to say it was assured.
No way were they selling 10 millions from a new IP...
Me,tobe honest, I liked Dragon's Dogma demo, but this is Capcom, so this game will have lots of DLC and a complete edition in a close future, so maybe when the Ultimate Edition is at 20€ I'll buy it.
Serves 'em right for not releasing on the PC platform. I feel a game of this scale and content would benefit greatly from the PC gaming market with mods, creation tools, etc. And I find it absolutely absurd that Capcom has decided against a PC version, citing the pawn system as the main hindering reason, as the team found it “a bit difficult,” due to the fact that players will be able to borrow and lend out their pawns to other players. And I have only this to say - If From Software can do it with Dark Souls, so can Capcom with Dragon's Dogma.
Sorry to disappoint you but not every dev needs to bow down to the PC platform, and not every game is "better" because it's on PC. Mods and creation tools do nothing for the devs and publishers, and I would guarantee that Capcom's excuse is a PR move so they don't have to say "well we don't want our new IP pirated to sh*t"
"Mods and creation tools do nothing for the devs and publishers" You're completely wrong. If you honestly believe that people don't buy games so that they can run mods or create content you should get your head checked, boyyyyy.
"You're completely wrong. If you honestly believe that people don't buy games so that they can run mods or create content you should get your head checked, boyyyyy."
I'm completely right. First of all, not all games legitimately support mods. Second, not all devs would be HAPPY with mods. Third, the amount of people buying the games for the possibility of mods would be trumped by the people buying the game for, I don't know, the actual game. Finally, devs and publishers don't see any actual money from mods, and when there is a potential of hundreds of mods not bringing in any money, what incentive is there for the developer to waste their time and the publishers money developing a PC version?
PC gamers think they deserve everything. It's pretty sad. It's probably worse than the fanboy wars over 3rd party exclusives on consoles.
Oh that's right... because devs/pubs don't benefit directly from the potential increase in sales #s due to a modding community and a subsequent increase concerning market staying power of a product? Yes, you're right. There's no evidence to support THAT "theory," all mighty one..
"What incentive is there for the developer to waste their time and the publishers money developing a PC version?" Gee, I dunno. They get an added revenue stream in a different market?? And insinuating that ALL PC gamers pirate their games actually makes you look incredibly ignorant considering that piracy is JUST as rampant concerning Xbox 360 games. Check your facts.
1080p, 1200p, 1440p, 1600p
4x, 8x, 16x, 32x, 64x aa
16x af
dx10
dx10.1
dx11
60, 120 frames per second
3d on 1000's of games
bc going back to the 80's
mods
emulators
every game is better on pc, always, everytime!
next gen consoles won't do what pc's from 2 years ago can do!
pc gaming makes more money than ps3/360 combined, lol....heck world of warcraft in one quarter alone makes more money than 90% of console games do in their lifetime.
"Mods and creation tools do nothing for the devs and publishers" The explain to me why ARMA2 is in the top sellers on Steam. It's because of the DayZ mod; That's why. People are buying a $30 Army sim just for a MOD. And this isn't a new occurance either.
Also not to mention PR for BF2. Hell, Counter Strike and Team Fortress came from mods.
Also, what's any different from PC gamers wanting a 3rd party title on their platform when you 360 and PS3 gamers do the same when a game doesn't come to your system. Stupid hypocrites.
I don't find it absurd that Capcom decided against a PC version of DD, especially when it wasn't even considered in the first place. I hate to break this to you but many Japanese developers and publishers don't consider the PC market worth catering to.
I'm actually looking forward to DD and hope its a good game. But i'm not buying any DLC from them for any game cause their track record for screwing over their fans is worse than any other company. So I'll buy the game if its something i'm into but they won't get any extra money from me at all.
Enjoyed the demo and I'm looking forward to the game but like many others here I wont be buying any dlc from capcom and I wont be surprised if some kind of special edition of this game comes out a year or so down the line
Obviously the 10mil statement was completely bull. I feel sorry if anyone actually thought it could sell that much. I doubt it will even hit the 1.5mil "realistic" sales estimate.
Indeed. Just like how sales doesn't equal quality, quality doesn't equal sales either. And the latter has been proven time and time again. At worst, Dragon's Dogma could flop harder than Asura's Wrath did.
-Oh for fucks sake people need to get over Devil May Cry - in any case this seems to be Capcoms way of saying Hey.. yea.. We're not very popular at the moment because we've been stealing our consumers lunch money and made some very crony capitalistic business moves in the past year.
SO, lets lower the projected sales. I'm still buying DMC, and Dragons Dogma, I loved the Dragons Dogma demo, (which i was expecting to roll eyes), but Yes not gonna lie, I also want early access to the RE:6 demo.
Well, as long as the PS3 version is V Synced with no screen tearing it will be a day one purchase for me. I love the demo and I'm hoping the final product is as polished as it appears to be.
1.5 millions is fine for such a new sp ip . And it could still easily go beyond that .
The game they seems to be losing faith over is DMC . They basically mandated the thing to shake things up and go higher in sales .
And now that plenty people have shown to be unhappy with the new DMC or capcom as a whole , they suddenly have those weird "we dont care about sales , we stand behind our creativity" PR interview campaigns and new projected sales figures lower than DMC4 .
I really liked the demo for the game, I just don't know how much content it will have. I feel like this could be a 5-8 hour game based on how quick the demo went but I could be wrong.
DD is a openworld game.it was stated that the main quest can take up to 50hrs to complete and to do everything in the game could take 200hrs to complete.
In a way that's sort of worse. If a game like this has a 50 hour playtime the brunt of the games quality will come down to the story and I'm just not sure how good the story will be. Still the voice acting in the demo was excellent and it looks good graphically so it could work out. But I'm still not sold on it.
This seals the deal for me, not buying RE6 till its dirt cheap. Was mad at Raccoon City, and then they just keep their methods going for a game that could be awesome.....screw it.
If there is one game capcom isn't afraid to show and believe in it's dragon dogma ..
NOt only they show footage without restraint, but they are marketing it properly .. Showing capcom hate when a game seems genuinly good ( from a new IP ) show that some of you are really clueless when it comes to the video game industry ...
Show me a NEW multiplatform IP that sold better than what capcom is expecting with drgaon dogma ? Thereis only one Acreed...
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Maybe it's better this way anyway. Although I was interested I can bet you they have chopped this game up so they can release unlockable costumes, weapons and quests for an arm and leg. Or should we wait for the release of Super Dragon's Dogma Gold Edition next year?
That's why I don't plan to purchase any game from Capcom, SQ(except Hitman) and no more Call of Duty for me. I might just go back to PC gaming since Diablo 3 and Guildwars 2 are coming out soon.
Its funny to see people up in arms on various web forums like ign,gamefaqs,here and other outlets and then go onto internet game streams to see the same people turn around and buy the game AND continue to bitch about DLC. Until gamers as a collective whole say F*ck you capcom and your DLC they are going to continue to be greedy.
P.s. I completely agree with mysticstrummer. The lowered sales expectations are nothing new and has been standard proceedure in any business. If the overall industry as a whole is seeing lower than normal sales then of course expectations will be lowered.
*Edit* I thought it did, I guess it was edited or something. It is mentioned in there, somewhere
This is what I'm referring to. In an earlier paragraph it says 1.5 million isn't bad, but then you have the above line, which contradicts that.
I'll wait to see if it contains disk locked content or not. If it does then it's either a bargain bin purchase or maybe I'll just skip it completely.
they release way too much dlc
on disk dlc
sequels after sequels after sequels
their own home grown developers have left them for american based publishers or forming their own studios
and this game will be successful because we the fans see the potential and see something interesting from capcom in a long long time
we are talking about an action "RPG!!" here it will have like approx 40 hrs of play time or even more "without" the DLCs...why only Capcom get blamed and hated for a something that is very common this gen and done by most game developers? i don't understand it
@ PersonaCat
late reply lol, see, Capcom isn't alone in this business, i "think" some devs like Capcom make the DLCs alongside the main game just to completely finish it and focus on other projects...
nobody knows if the content on SFxT were locked from actual full game or on-disc DLCs "i don't have problems with this one", but if it's really locked content from the game, then i'm totally against it!
also, i think they should remove the agree and disagree buttons completely from this site!
Though I'd take a Lost Planet Wii U edition over the latter (which would be a Dragon's Dogma Wii U edition).
I am with you, and glad for putting up that link.
Has anyone thought that by putting 1.5m estimates how it will look for them whe. It sells over that amount? It'll be a "win" for them across the board.
Them saying this grand ole "10million" number and estimating for reals 1.5 is very smart as far as company goals goes. When they do hit over 1.5 mil, which I firmly believe they will, it makes the company look really good and they were pleasantly surprised. Companies have been doing this for years to make themselves look good to investors throughout the years.
Good business.
Now 7 mil for RE6 is going to be the tough number to hit.
You should go and read those interviews when they mention that figure again, rather than speculating blindly for whatever reason.
EDIT: Even in last year's shareholder event, Dragon's Dogma was expected to sell 1,500,000 copies. See Page 14 of this document, dating from the previous fiscal year:
http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/...
Me,tobe honest, I liked Dragon's Dogma demo, but this is Capcom, so this game will have lots of DLC and a complete edition in a close future, so maybe when the Ultimate Edition is at 20€ I'll buy it.
You're completely wrong. If you honestly believe that people don't buy games so that they can run mods or create content you should get your head checked, boyyyyy.
I'm completely right. First of all, not all games legitimately support mods. Second, not all devs would be HAPPY with mods. Third, the amount of people buying the games for the possibility of mods would be trumped by the people buying the game for, I don't know, the actual game. Finally, devs and publishers don't see any actual money from mods, and when there is a potential of hundreds of mods not bringing in any money, what incentive is there for the developer to waste their time and the publishers money developing a PC version?
PC gamers think they deserve everything. It's pretty sad. It's probably worse than the fanboy wars over 3rd party exclusives on consoles.
"What incentive is there for the developer to waste their time and the publishers money developing a PC version?" Gee, I dunno. They get an added revenue stream in a different market?? And insinuating that ALL PC gamers pirate their games actually makes you look incredibly ignorant considering that piracy is JUST as rampant concerning Xbox 360 games. Check your facts.
Stop being naive, plenty of people buy games for their mods. And sometimes the mods are better than the actual game.
For Example:
Vanilla Battlefield 2: http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Modded Battlefield 2 (Forgotten Hope 2): http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Modded Battlefield 2 (Project Reality): http://www.youtube.com/watc...
every
game
is
better
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pc!!!
1080p, 1200p, 1440p, 1600p
4x, 8x, 16x, 32x, 64x aa
16x af
dx10
dx10.1
dx11
60, 120 frames per second
3d on 1000's of games
bc going back to the 80's
mods
emulators
every game is better on pc, always, everytime!
next gen consoles won't do what pc's from 2 years ago can do!
pc gaming makes more money than ps3/360 combined, lol....heck world of warcraft in one quarter alone makes more money than 90% of console games do in their lifetime.
so how does that make you feel? good? happy to know :)
The explain to me why ARMA2 is in the top sellers on Steam. It's because of the DayZ mod; That's why. People are buying a $30 Army sim just for a MOD. And this isn't a new occurance either.
Also not to mention PR for BF2. Hell, Counter Strike and Team Fortress came from mods.
Also, what's any different from PC gamers wanting a 3rd party title on their platform when you 360 and PS3 gamers do the same when a game doesn't come to your system. Stupid hypocrites.
comprehension is a beautiful thing.
I feel sorry if anyone actually thought it could sell that much. I doubt it will even hit the 1.5mil "realistic" sales estimate.
Videogamers have apparently lost faith in Capcom.
SO, lets lower the projected sales. I'm still buying DMC, and Dragons Dogma, I loved the Dragons Dogma demo, (which i was expecting to roll eyes), but Yes not gonna lie, I also want early access to the RE:6 demo.
The game they seems to be losing faith over is DMC . They basically mandated the thing to shake things up and go higher in sales .
And now that plenty people have shown to be unhappy with the new DMC or capcom as a whole , they suddenly have those weird "we dont care about sales , we stand behind our creativity" PR interview campaigns and new projected sales figures lower than DMC4 .
http://www.cinemablend.com/...
Anyway, prepare for be disappointed for this numbers capcpom.
theirs a ng+ and the level cap is 200.
NOt only they show footage without restraint, but they are marketing it properly ..
Showing capcom hate when a game seems genuinly good ( from a new IP ) show that some of you are really clueless when it comes to the video game industry ...
Show me a NEW multiplatform IP that sold better than what capcom is expecting with drgaon dogma ? Thereis only one Acreed...
this man speaks the truth!
Take off your blinkers and just enjoy a good game!!