Gamasutra:"My advice to Japan is that in a disc-based market right now, you cannot [ignore multiplayer]," he says, adding, "I'm not saying tack multiplayer onto every game."
Pretty soon there won't be a such thing as single player only games anymore :(
Correct. I'm the polar opposite of "cliffy". IMO you can't ignore single player for tacked on multiplayer that clearly the game wasn't built for. Ever tried finding an online game in The Darkness? Dead Space? Split Second? All great campaigns with multiplayers that become ghost towns within months. Online is not the future! a bit of side coop maybe, but competitive multiplayer isn't the answer to sustainable games.
Read the rumors about Dead Space 3? Online coop campaign with more action etc... Stuff like that is the reason i thing last gen was far superior to this one, being social and playing online is cool and all, but if it's at the expense of taking a game from its roots, and going away from what made the game good in the first place, it should NOT be there. Great single player IP's shouldn't have to comply to this stupid online fad that doesn't benefit or even deteriorates games. There will always be people like us who love a good, whole hearted single player experience =)
Total Agree Imagine what will happen if Bethesda decide to add it in Elder Scrolls or Fallout ...even though people know that it would probably destroy the single player and add a ton more bugs. Plus making it so they would focus on the co-op bugs instead of the single player ones. The game would be ruined It's the reason why people bug me who want it in those games. They know it would sacrafice the great single player experience but just want it so they can show off to there friends for a few hours then go on another better co-op developed video game leaving single players with a crappy single player experience.
"I'm not saying tack multiplayer onto every game." He clearly says he doesnt support tacked on MP. Its obvious he wants the Japanese games that feel like they would have good MP. Vanquish is one of the games he mentioned which I wholeheartedly agree with. No matter how much you hate MP you cant deny the majority of gamers today want MP in their games.
I wish mother flowers in the industry would stop preaching about multiplayer being the saving grace for REPLAY VALUE. Yeah some game are fun with it, but a great single player experience is 100 times better than the trash released today with added MP. Also, Cliffy makes shooters and until Gears, they never had a story. Gears doesn't even suffice either as it's as B-rated & Bromantic as one game should or could ever get. I wish developers would tell statistical analysts to eat bag of hammers and just go back to creating fresh experiences. Some 53 year old marketing guru telling you your game needs MP to be successful is just killing the industry. I wouldn't care so much about the implementations of MP so much if it didn't take away from the experience of the single player game so often.
I agree with Cliff If they want to appeal to the western market(Im speaking about the majority casual gamers) They need to implement Multiplayer.
Why should they want to appeal to the casual gamers? And why should they want to "appeal" to the Western market? Do you know why the West buys Japanese games? It's because those of us who buy them like them. We like their quirks, their cultural references, their particular style of game-making. IF they can implement some of the same things that Western developers do in an effective way that doesn't harm their signature style or that of a particular franchise, then I'm not against it. But the LAST thing I want is for them to change the things that gave Japanese games their flavor in the first place, just to cash in on the fickle and ephemeral casual market.
I totally agree with Cliff though. I really enjoyed Vanquish, but if I could have played co-op with some friends it would have been even better.
Or you could for once play a good single player game and do something with your friends outside of video games.
don't get me wrong, I play a ton of single player games, as my favorite genre is RPGs. But online co-op does make many action-adventure games a lot more fun (Gears, Borderlands, etc)
"I'm not saying tack multiplayer onto every game Except that's kinda what you're saying . I'm all for constructive criticism and exchanges , but feels like quite a few western devs are just hoping on the "this is why the west is great and you're not" bandwagon , when not a lot of them can get single player right , while they do well in mp . To be fair Cliffy aint obnoxious and judgemental here , but it's not as if either side got everything right , while the other is lacking . Anyway ... "And there is absolutely no reason I shouldn't have been zipping around, doing the mega slides, diving up in the air in an arena with other players." Because they probably didnt feel confident delivering that exact same quality and feeling with an mp mode . And they were right to not include it if it didnt work . At least not before working kinks in eventual sequels . It's not as if any mp game is delivering that right now . The most fast paced shooters we got were eons ago and not remotely the same in philosophy as Vanquish .
If they know they don't need it then whats the point
I.....only half agree. I REALLY enjoy co-op with friends, though I'm not really that into competitive play. I'm just a co-op kind of guy.
What they should do is ignore Cliff Bleszinski. MP is a business aspect as far as I'm concerned. Allows devs to be lazy as they rely on a game's community or following to make up for lack of a story or even overall quality.
His attitude is "more bang for yer bucks", rootin' tootin' throw in everything and the kitchen sink. No. Just do one thing to perfection - Vanquish.
Not every game needs multiplayer. Jeez. Sick of this s***.
Cliffy is right. You want the money, you make it MP. You want the little niche group that wants their old school japanese style game.. you make it.. you don't make money, and it doesn't come back. West>East. That's just the way it is.
Let me just get this straight... West > east because in the west, you get a half baked campaign with a half baked online, and then proceed to be milked by £15 map packs on top of your £40 day one purchase? People like YOU are the reason unnecessary, money grabbing, tacked on multiplayers are poisoning what could be great single player experiences. If you're so unhappy with games that only charge you once and are complete packages, go spend £80 a year on you're repetitive annual clone games. I've been an avid gamer for over 10 years, but jesus people like you make me question my faith in the gaming community and what the gaming industry is becoming... /rant over lol
Who said I'm unhappy with my games? I agree with Cliff. MP is where it's at these days. You want your game to make money? Put in a great MP mode too. Show me what Japanese SP games are lighting up the charts right now? USA is where the sales are, followed by the UK/Europe. Show me where all these awesome SP Japanese style games are at that are lighting up the charts. I've been an avid gamer for over 30 years now, starting with my 2600, but jesus, new school emo gamers like you, who for some reason put your faith into video game communities, instead of just enjoying your games, is just plain weird. Money grabbing tacked on MP... lol. Cliffy isn't saying every single JP game needs MP... he's saying not to forget MP in games. MP is where it's at these days like I said. Japanese developers have been shying form MP games. Time not to shy away, and make weird SP games. MP is where it's at baby. Multi Player. Look how much more fun Trials Evolution is with MP. A game went from great, to fantastic. LMAO at your 10 years of gaming. Also I'd like to add.. nice attempt at a COD hit I'm guessing? Talking about map packs? You realize, BF3 does this, Gears, Halo, all games like this have more content in the form of DLC. Guess what? Even your precious SP games have DLC! I know! Hard to believe! Skyrim, one of the greatest SP games of all time.. guess what? THERE'S DLC! Guess what my copy of the great Batman game has??? YOU GUESSED IT! DLC!!! Cry me a river with paid DLC prices. You know, for 10 years of life time gaming, you shouldn't be complaining about DLC. In my younger days... there was no DLC. You paid and got what you got, and they couldn't fix a thing if there was something wrong. God, back then, if there was an internet, I couldn't imagine how many cry babies would be on about not having patches, or paid DLC.
@prince_dim-lu I agree with you and cliff B. Old games like Everquest, WoW, Diablo, StarCraft are so popular because of MP. The same reason can be apply to MP games like CoD, Halo, Gears, UC, GT, Forza, etc... @faceless "Online is not the future! a bit of side coop maybe, but competitive multiplayer isn't the answer to sustainable games." and you think single player game is more sustainable? How? If what you said is true, then CoD with its crappy sp shouldn't be sustainable right? Why it is still so popular?
First of all dude, online patches are a great idea by themselves but developers has changed valuable weapon into a crutch by releasing the most buggiest games I've seen for a while (Skyrim being one of the main offenders!) The good thing thing about not having patches in the past was that it forced game developers to have devote more time in quality testing instead of of giving shoddy architecture with an IOU stapled in the front. Second of all, when having an argument about a game's worth should never be based on sales because of how fickle the market is. So many sales driven more from trying to be cool and peer pressure instead of the quality of a product. Another tip is DLC was never a must in gaming. The gaming community right now is a neutered shell of it's former self that is trying so very hard to forget that is THEIR MONEY that gives these developers their job. Instead they look at big companies as monoliths that can never be toppled or gods that can purge them from Eden itself if your deem their product terrible, truth or not. I'm not saying that all DLC is bad, just consumers need a more discerning eye when it comes making a purchase and actually think of the impact it will do on their hobby's future as a whole (also known as common sense). I feel sorry for you because in your 30 years of gaming you haven't learn a thing in appreciating variety and looking out for your fellow gamers. Faceless appeared to have opened his eyes in a third of time.....
Screw multiplayer! If I want to have a game with someone else then it would be better to do it outdoors.
You can always incorporate both single and multiple elements into titles (Uncharted, Halo, New Super Mario Bros Wii). I believe that multiplayer adds more depth to the game(s).
All the running after the casual online crowd is ruining single player games/creativity..
Well if (online) multiplayer is so important, then explain how did games like Batman: Arkham City, Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim and others manage to sell. Even Western developers don't always think it's needed. To be honest, (online) multiplayer only works for certain genres such as fighting, sports/racing and FPS/TPS.
So happy to see so many single player fans around here. Restored faith in my peeps. Although, Dragon's Dogma could use some online co-op but, that's just me though.
Lord more of these put mp into every game devs. First does the mp even make sense in the game, if not kindly fuck off. I played plenty of games both japanese and western this yr, that ignored multiplayer significantly/completely didn't make the games any less enjoyable. West -predominantly fps and tps games, east predominantly rpgs and niche games. There have been several eastern games that would benefit from a mp mode over the yrs and others where it will always be completely worthless. Man not everyone wants their good single player experience screwed up so the competitive fps crowd can have a new game to grip about. Some games are designed intentionally as a solo experience and others a group experience, some a hybrid. Mp is fine if it actually makes sense for the game and doesn't compromise the sp experience. If i am buying a japanese game it usually isn't because it's catered to western audiences, i am buying them for it catering to eastern audiences. Like mass effect 3 having a mp portion. It's a solo rpg experience, why does it need mp again?
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